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Title: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: TakeTheActive on November 21, 2006, 08:26:30 PM
I just don't understand this Anonymous SNIPING - exactly *WHAT* is it supposed to accomplish? ???

I (?foolishly?) keep investing TONs of hours, trying to make this forum a PLEASANT / FUN /INTERESTING place to visit:

Quote:

From my perspective, this "Community" should be a place where:


IMHO, these forums were pretty "STERILE " before I arrived. :o

Reference: Re: GUESTS/LURKERS: Why Don't You Register (and Become NEWBIEs)? (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=10503.msg60593#msg60593)

Yet I still get DINGs :-\.
Just got #52 tonight!
Without an accompanying PM or Post, I have absolutely NO CLUE as to what the SNIPER is upset about. ???
[CLICK HERE (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=10465.msg62117#msg62117) to read my latest SOAPBOX SPIEL.  (Read 1075 times)]

I've also recently noticed that there are SEVERAL other 'Helpful' VOLUNTEERS getting the occasional DING.

Why?
:( :( :( :( :( :(
Create a FAKE ID and either PM or E-Mail me with your reasoning - I'm *VERY* curious.
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: Tuicemen on November 21, 2006, 08:57:32 PM
I real can't understand why the Unhelpfuls is needed anyways!

If the average user can't see what was found unhelpful with someones posts!

To those who wish to vote with an unhelpful:

*Please Private Message the recipient and explain why!*

This won't stop your unhelpful vote unless you wait for a responce

At least it gives the user an Idea why and could prevent more unwanted unhelpfuls!

Since the karma plug-in is here to stay lets make it work to help us All!

Anyone that takes the time to respond to a thread with a suggestion or links to get one started doesn't deserve a unhelpful!

If on the other hand if someone only tells others completely useless info like "Stop your Complaining"  
then I can see it but at least PM them and give them time to edit their post! ;)

Note:
X10 stated  "they know who is voting and how many times and has stated that repeat offenders will be dealt with!"
Take that how you wish! ;)
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: vhoang on November 22, 2006, 12:04:34 PM
My take on PM vs no PM:
In general, more people will participate when they know something is anonymous.   It talks out the need to worry about offending people personally and they knowing who you are. 

About Unhelpfuls:
In it's current form, I think it's pretty useless because there's no way to link the unhelpful(s) to the post unless you do get a PM.  The forum links the unhelpful mark to the person.   Not only does it lower posting moral, but it serve no point as it does not identify the post that triggers the mark.   Nobody learns or gains anything from unhelpful(s) the way it is designed.
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: steven r on November 23, 2006, 01:57:52 AM
...About Unhelpfuls:
In it's current form, I think it's pretty useless because there's no way to link the unhelpful(s) to the post unless you do get a PM.  The forum links the unhelpful mark to the person.   Not only does it lower posting moral, but it serve no point as it does not identify the post that triggers the mark.   Nobody learns or gains anything from unhelpful(s) the way it is designed.
Most of us here, even those of us with a high helpful/unhelpful ratio, agree. Yet no attempt, to my knowledge, has been done to improve the situation.
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: medvampire on November 23, 2006, 09:53:09 PM
After being on many boards and admin on a few I can see where helpful / unhelpful is a good thing but I do agree you need to be able to link to the post from witch the post came from. Also I don’t think any unregistered users or noobs should NOT be able to give a post helpful or unhelpful. Set a minim number of post before any one can rate a member or post. I do listen a little more to users with a higher rating. I would consider about forcing registration before posting, I always do due to it’s the polite thing to do.
Steve
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: TakeTheActive on December 01, 2006, 11:57:34 PM
O O O P S !
I just got DING #53 today (and *WITHOUT* a preceeding PM!)

:o

Can you believe that?

 ???

Go figure.

:P

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To the kind soul that gave me 'Helpful' #78 today, THANK YOU ever so much!
;D

[My goal is to break 100 before the end of the year.]
;)

NOTE:   Anyone else who gets DINGed*WITHOUT* a preceeding PM of satisfactory explanation, feel free to post your GRIPE in this thread.
>:(
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: steven r on December 02, 2006, 12:14:04 AM
...[My goal is to break 100 before the end of the year.] ;)...
100 helpfuls I presume.  ;)
(Just clarifying your goal a bit.)
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: TakeTheActive on December 02, 2006, 03:34:23 AM
...[My goal is to break 100 before the end of the year.] ;)...
100 helpfuls I presume.  ;)
(Just clarifying your goal a bit.)

Whichever you feel is most appropriate. ;)
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: steven r on December 02, 2006, 04:21:04 AM
...Whichever you feel is most appropriate. ;)
The Helpful of course. Just teasing you a bit.
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: TakeTheActive on December 24, 2006, 10:14:02 PM
O O O P S !
I just got DING #54 today (once again *WITHOUT* a preceeding PM!)

:o

24 days!  Gee Whiz.  My personal goal was 30...

:'(

And I haven't even been on and posting much in the past few weeks (compared to my "norm")...

:P

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Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: TakeTheActive on January 13, 2007, 11:56:25 PM
O O O P S !
DING #55 (once again *WITHOUT* a preceeding PM!)

:o

WTH did this come from?

:'(

I haven't even posted anything lately...

 ???

Cowards!

:P
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: Dan Lawrence on January 14, 2007, 10:41:48 AM
I got an "unhelpful" Anonymous DING last week too. >:(

Perhaps the unhelpful should also have a  "PM required to the recipient of this" added to it.
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on January 14, 2007, 03:34:55 PM
I got an "unhelpful" Anonymous DING last week too. >:(

Perhaps the unhelpful should also have a  "PM required to the recipient of this" added to it.

That's an excellent idea Dan!  I wonder if this software will do it.  I know that when you click "report to moderator" it says it records your ID, so such things can be done if the programmers are willing.

Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: Tuicemen on January 15, 2007, 05:09:06 PM
I actually don't care who gives the unhelpful or what they feel they are accomplishing!
But I would like to know Why  ::) as I'm sure many that receive the unhelpful votes would!
To those that have given Unhelpfuls! ( SNIPERS)    (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=11502.0)
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: TakeTheActive on January 15, 2007, 05:53:21 PM
O O O P S !
DING #56 (once again *WITHOUT* a preceeding PM!)

:o

This one came within 12 hours of my last Ooops post for DING #55.
(Mr. Rogers Voice: Children, can you say "SPITEFUL"?)

 :-\

IIRC, I hadn't posted anything else new within that *VERY* short time period (or a few weeks before, for that matter).

 ???

Why X10 Management feels this is a "useful" feature I'll never understand.

:(

If only there was 'someone' available on the X10 Staff who could MONITOR these things and then take an appropriate action.
(Or at least provide the Community Organizers with some 'useful' feedback.)

::)
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: TakeTheActive on January 15, 2007, 06:11:45 PM

I actually don't care who gives the unhelpful or what they feel they are accomplishing!
But I would like to know
Why  ::) as I'm sure many that receive the unhelpful votes would!
To those that have given Unhelpfuls! ( SNIPERS)    (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=11502.0)

Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: TakeTheActive on January 15, 2007, 06:20:54 PM

I got an "unhelpful" Anonymous DING last week too. >:(

Annoying, isn't it?

Maybe not so much for someone who had their previous Total of 60 reset back to ZERO, but, if you've *NEVER* had your Total reset after *MANY* 'Anonymous Snipes', you might WISH that X10 Management would come up with an amiable solution for everyone involved.

[Michael, are you listening?]
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: Tuicemen on January 15, 2007, 07:10:10 PM
  • #1.) The DING (or RED Vote) should be by THREAD, not by MEMBER.

  • #2.) The Community Organizers (aka Moderators) should be able to SEE who is voting RED or GREEN in order to control the SNIPING.

  • #3.) Please view: Buy.Com/ACP-EP Promotion Summary {aka TOO MANY !@#$% THREADS!} (http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.php?catid=54&threadid=682337) for an example, IMHO, of how VOTING *SHOULD* work. (CLICK on the GREEN or RED Rating Bar in the top-left corner of the FIRST post.)
I have to agree with you the votes should be by thread not member!
I don't think Community Organizers need see who is doing the voting as long as the Administrator (X10) is keeping an eye on it regularly!
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: HA Dave on January 15, 2007, 09:05:42 PM
I haven't received any un-helpful votes as of yet, or all that many helpful's for that matter. So maybe I should stay out of this... if you think I should...PM me and I will delete this post.

But here is my opinion: If I gave instructions to a member that: Cost him time, money, or just plain aggravation... to no avail. Not only would I feel bad, I also could understand a vote of UNhelpful. However, if I don't know what I did that was UNhelpful, how could I clean-up my act.

Fortunately, when my posts have been ....less than stellar, somebody has always pointed that out very quickly.

But, TTA is getting SNIPED! Some one (or ones) are having fun getting his goat (for whatever reason).

X10 should "track" the unhelpful AND the helpfuls so as we can all be better volunteers. Or just drop the UNhelpfuls so we don't feel bad.

I have to agree (vote #3) the votes should be by thread not member!
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: Dan Lawrence on January 15, 2007, 10:02:13 PM
I think TTA is getting swiped Anonymously by somebody (or sombodies) who see that -56 on his totals.  It may be the size/colors in 90% of his posts.

Eirther that or somebody doesn't like him personally and has X10 products.

I note that somehow he has managed to collect 56 UnHelpfuls in a very short time.   :(
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: TakeTheActive on January 15, 2007, 10:07:28 PM

...I don't think Community Organizers need see who is doing the voting as long as the Administrator (X10) is keeping an eye on it regularly!

Sorry Tuicemen, but I have to DISAGREE with you on this point.

*WE*, the *VOLUNTEER* (UNPAID) Community Organizers are the *ONLY*ones keeping an eye on a daily basis on what happens on these X10 Community Forums. :(

i.e. *WE* (or at least some of us) need more access to the "internals"...

[Michael, are you listening?]
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: TakeTheActive on January 15, 2007, 10:16:39 PM

I note that somehow he has managed to collect 56 UnHelpfuls in a very short time.   :(

You may also wish to note that somehow he has managed to collect 82 Helpfuls in a very short time. ;)


Eirther that or somebody doesn't like him personally...

I'll buy into that theory...
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: TakeTheActive on January 15, 2007, 10:37:33 PM

But, TTA is getting SNIPED! Some one (or ones) are having fun getting his goat (for whatever reason).

X10 should "track" the unhelpful AND the helpfuls so as we can all be better volunteers. Or just drop the UNhelpfuls so we don't feel bad.

I have to agree (vote #3) the votes should be by thread not member!

I've SEARCHED for and located alternative software solutions (SMF Add-Ons from their website) that the X10 Staff has refused to implement (most probably due to X10 Management not allowing them to).

It is *INDEED* frustrating some days to know that the X10 Staff currently is able to SEE daily who these SNIPERS are, yet they refuse to  (or are prohibited from) doing anything about it. :-X

Despite everything, I'm pretty darn proud of getting 82 Helpfuls since 2006-06-23 @ 00:44:18. But, please realize, to get this to this position, I've also been online here 26d 3h 59m and started *MANY* "Newbie Helpful" threads. IMHO, I've been working HARD!

[Michael, are you listening?]
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: TakeTheActive on January 17, 2007, 06:37:13 PM

You may also wish to note that somehow he has managed to collect 82 Helpfuls in a very short time. ;)


Eirther that or somebody doesn't like him personally...

I'll buy into that theory...

84 Helpfuls!?! THANK YOU " Whomever You Are " ! ;D ;D ;D


But, TTA is getting SNIPED! Some one (or ones) are having fun getting his goat (for whatever reason).

Naw! It's not getting my goat - I just see it as confusing to Newbies who aren't familiar with the history of "how" these "Unhelpfuls" came about. :(
[84 *AND* 56 ? - illogical.]

???

O O O P S !
DING #57 (once again *WITHOUT* a preceeding PM!)

:o

Michael, make *ME* a SysAdmin and I'll take care of this problem (and investigate OTHER forum improvements).

8)

(Mr. Rogers Voice: Children, can you say "SPITEFUL"?  Remember, we practiced this just a few days ago.)

;)

Michael, if the majority of my "Unhelpfuls" came from only a few members, please consider BANNING them (at least temporarily).

 :-\

If only there was 'someone' available on the X10 Staff who could MONITOR these things and then take an appropriate action.
(Or at least provide the Community Organizers with some 'useful' feedback.)

Michael?

???
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: TakeTheActive on January 25, 2007, 09:03:07 PM
88 Helpfuls!?! THANK YOU " Whomever You Are " ! ;D ;D ;D

[88 *AND* 58 ? - illogical.]

:-\

O O O P S !
DING #58 (once again *WITHOUT* a preceeding PM!)

:o

I've received more votes, both positive and negative, during the past few weeks that I HAVEN'T been here posting than when I was online several hours per day!

???


58 UnHelpfuls!?! WHAT'S YOUR POINT? " Whomever You Are " ! ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: TakeTheActive on March 06, 2007, 01:02:50 AM
93 Helpfuls!?! THANK YOU " Whomever You Are " ! 100 or Bust! :D ;D ;D ;D

[93 *AND* 59 ? - illogical.]

:-\

O O O P S !
DING #59 (once again *WITHOUT* a preceeding PM!)

:o

I've been busy catching up with a load of ROUND TUITS lately and thus have just been 'popping in', mostly reading the last 10 posts, rarely posting - until today.
Today I decided to spend a couple of hours online, organize a little, and reply to some posts. IMMEDIATELY I get DING #59.
I've asked the X10 Staff to please look into it...

:(


59 UnHelpfuls!?! WHAT'S YOUR POINT? " Whomever You Are " ! ::)
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: MichaelC on March 06, 2007, 02:02:14 PM
When we first moved to these forums I had the ratings feature turned off. I think that having the ratings doesn't really accomplish much. If you just read the forums you'll very quickly find out who is helpful and who isn't.

Anyway, it wasn't my decision to turn them on, but I do think if they're going to be on it doesn't help anything for people to be able to track down who gave them negative ratings. Anyone who is a visible presence is going to draw both positive and negative attention, and there's not much that can be done about that. It would be nice if people voiced their thoughts on posts that they didn't find helpful. It's the nature of online communities that most people will not though.
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: Brian H on March 06, 2007, 04:19:48 PM
I am not even too sure if any X10 employee is regularly monitoring here. We COs use to get messages from time to time. Now nothing.
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: nodoze on June 10, 2007, 09:17:13 AM
FWIW, my thoughts are that helpfuls or unhelpfuls should tied to the actual posts and it would be helpful (no pun intended) if there was an ability to post an anonymous comment, visiable to all, as to why it was helpful/unhelpful (as an afterthought a comment should maybe be requried).  Any dinging/promoting should be tied to actual actions otherwise it has little value.

If there is going to be any aggregation, I recommend them be as follows:

In it's current form I find it subjective at best and prone to abuse.  I agree though that a perusal of the forums shows who is truely helpful and who is not...
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: steven r on June 10, 2007, 10:18:27 AM
...A summary score by user, similar to what is there now.  The main difference I would like to see is that the plus or negative numbers be a hypelink that launches a search page listing their posts that were rated....
...In it's current form I find it subjective at best and prone to abuse....
Clearly that is the case but in spite of much previous discussion (do a search), no one that can make such changes has.
It would be better not to have the ratings than to have them the way they are now.
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: MeThinks on June 10, 2007, 04:54:06 PM
This entire thread is unhelpful, who cares, lets figure out the problems with x10 hardware, software and get some real creative ideas going about what we can do with our systems, not our egos....

but still I won't give anyone an unhelpful in this thread, doesn't matter anyways....


 8)
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: Don N on June 10, 2007, 06:52:43 PM
I couldn't agree more. 
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: dave w on June 11, 2007, 12:12:53 PM
Yes, I agree also. The rantings are not at all meaningful. Personally, I could give a flying rats purple patute about my "rating",  but there are some "regulars" here that have apoplexy if they get a ding.
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: Dan Lawrence on June 11, 2007, 05:03:09 PM
Every (Censored) Negative ding I have gotten had no PM that said who have it.  Currently my stats are 15/15.  I personally would not be bothered to eliminate the feature once and for all.
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: nodoze on June 26, 2007, 12:02:58 PM
In it's current form I agree the "Post Rating" should be deleted.

However it is still there and I found this thread helpful to know what it is about/how it works (and to understand the shortcomings...).  More importantly, were this feature to be replaced with something better as discussed by multiple people in this topic, that would actually be helpful.

In addition to the previous recommendations I posted, I recommend the following (maybe more important) for consideration (though it sounds like maybe there is no leadership looking at this anyway).

It would be ideal to go through a topic quickly and see which post(s) had the best answers to the question at hand and which post(s) people thought were not relevant or helpful as that would save people's time.  Right now people have to spend too much time reading the posts in detail to find the answers(s) and frankly some threads are less valuable than others...

The two things that I (and I believe others) have found helpful in other forums are as follows:

- A voting system for posts in the thread and a color coding for those that are more helpful.  One forum I was on color coded the posts that had the best responses to the questions in beige/off-yellow.  Very helpful !

- On another forum, based upon their posts, one or more people actually get credit for the answer(s).  People can posts questions and based upon complexity and quality of work of person providing the answers points are awarded.  I found that also helpful and encouraged people to help others.  In a given thread the steps to debug the issue were/are in yellow/orange and the final solution or post where the original poster accepts the solution is marked in green (and points awarded).
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: Dan Lawrence on July 03, 2007, 07:45:20 PM
I just got another negative DING with no PM from the person dinging me. I'm up to 17 and every negative I recieved was ever PM'd. 

COWARDS!!!!!
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: Dan Lawrence on July 05, 2007, 07:05:43 PM
(Censored!!!)

I just got negative 18, and NO PM.  I don't know who's doing it, but it bugs me to no end.  If you don't like what I post, at least tell me why.
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: steven r on July 05, 2007, 07:19:10 PM
(Censored!!!)

I just got negative 18, and NO PM.  I don't know who's doing it, but it bugs me to no end.  If you don't like what I post, at least tell me why.
This is a perfect example of why current rating system is worthless.
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: JeffVolp on July 05, 2007, 11:31:58 PM
Quote
I just got negative 18, and NO PM.  I don't know who's doing it, but it bugs me to no end.  If you don't like what I post, at least tell me why.

It may be from eBay users.  On eBay you click the number to find out the underlying comments.  Back when I first registered I erroneously sent a ding to the fellow who posts the X10 special deals because I wanted to find out why anyone would have a problem with his postings.  All I did was increase his negative count by one.

Because of this "feature" I wouldn't put much stock in the negative readings.  It may be nothing more than people trying to find out more information.

If they want to maintain the ratings, they should least put an acknowledgement on it so someone doesn't bump the count by accident.

Jeff
Title: Re: SNIPERS: Exactly *WHAT* Does Your Anonymous DING Accomplish (in your mind)?
Post by: Tuicemen on April 13, 2008, 10:03:22 AM
There are some here that all to freely hand out unhelpfuls!
Some don't give a dam about the ratings but others look at this to see who is truely helpful!
An anonymous DING helps no one! It is  best to question the users post as an explanation will more often make the post clearer and very helpful!
Some times a simple typo can be the difference between a helpful post or an unhelpful, bringing it to the users attention can be benificial to every one!

Nothing worse then going a way for a few days then coming back to see the only new info you have is some dings! :(
Want to improve the forum?  ??? ::)
Stop the Anonymous DINGS!