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Title: Poor site, better way
Post by: Unclegeo on January 02, 2007, 07:11:17 PM
A friend just raved about X10 gear and much of it appears to be similar to lamp control modules Radio Shack sold many years ago that worked just fine so I've ordered the product. I have downloaded the software and the gear should arrive soon. I had a problem with the software install and poked around at the site to try to find the download the installer suggested I get.

Now, you've been here too -the site simply sucks.

Now, I rarely bother to complain about websites but this X10 site is the single most annoying website I have encountered since I began using the web in '95 (and I have pop ups turned off, I hear it's even worse with pop ups on!). I see I am not the only one frustrated by it.

I have a better solution than wading hip deep in the relentless and poorly organized product advertising, links that do not take you where they say they will and the difficulty of getting detailed information.

Rather than waste my time trying to find out what I need from the website it occurred to me I could just waste their time by calling them and making them find it. I suggest you do the same.
Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: steven r on January 02, 2007, 07:35:33 PM
The popups have driven away most of the regulars here from shopping at the X10 site. In spite of many, many suggestions, X10 marketing / management blindly feels their "web spam approach" is the best way to market their products. There have been several discussions here about the X10 site already.
Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: TheGoToGuy on January 02, 2007, 11:19:34 PM
I just sent them an email expressing the very same concerns. It was so close in fact to what you just said it gave me the chills. I think that everyone that is equally irritated by their ridiculous, chaotic website should take a moment and email them directly from the site. (If you can navigate to the customer service page  ???)

In fact, email them every day.
Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: Dan Lawrence on January 02, 2007, 11:23:25 PM
What's worse, X10 used to offer a popup bocker that lasted 30 days after you got it. You had to come back every 31 days to re-enroll. Now they don't even do that.  >:(

Smarthome and Automated Outlet don't employ popups.  Why the management of X10 do is unknown.  ???

Those of use who hate the popups and post here could PM Dave Rye about it, although that may not do any good.  >:(
Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: KDR on January 03, 2007, 05:30:08 AM
Welcome to the boards Unclegeo. As you stated in your post...

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appears to be similar to lamp control modules Radio Shack sold many years ago

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X10 made the units for Radio Shack and put their name on them. Radio Shack has now stopped selling them and you can still find a few floating around at some stores at a really good price.

As far as X10's website...  :(

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Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: HA Dave on January 03, 2007, 08:38:37 AM
As KDR stated, X10 made those RS modules. Plus X10 manufactures the RS video sender/receivers and X10 is a leader in the universal remote control industry.

I have never read any positive reviews about the X10 Web Pages. However I am willing to assume that they know what they're doing. If such aggressive selling is what works for them and there bottom line, then so be it.

As far as the prices, products, customer service, and the ease of just calling them on the phone.... (as-well-as the helpful volunteer fellow users here at the forum) ......X10 is hard to beat.
Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: Unclegeo on January 03, 2007, 09:36:41 AM
Dave, I understand what you are saying that if this annoying way of attracting customers makes money for them then that's the American way; anything for a buck and the customer be damned I guess. It's the attitude that even return customers must wade through this crap that sucks. Thousands and thousands of other very successful companies offer links to support and downloads pages on the idea that if customers can solve their own problems then it costs the company less than staffing a call center and importantly, it's a convenience to the customer.

One thing Dan said about pop ups. I hope you mean pop ups on their website and not in the program -that would be mind boggling andinexcusable.

Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: HA Dave on January 04, 2007, 06:24:41 PM
Dave, I understand what you are saying that if this annoying way of attracting customers makes money for them then that's the American way; anything for a buck

Yeah, I am an American, and I do believe making a buck is a good thing.

But what I really meant to express was; though some people seize at those pop-up's, many more click on them. I personally would never have thought that anyone could take a 30 minute TV show and then spent an hour showing it because of 30 more minutes of "commercial messages". But that seems to be the way things work here in my living room.

I like X10. I like the products, the prices, the specials, and the customer service. If I was running X10, I would likely do some things differently. But it's unlikely I could do things better. Here in America making a buck isn't all that easy of a thing to do. Because I do like X10 products... I hope they can continue to make a buck or two.
Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: Unclegeo on February 06, 2007, 02:52:05 PM
Dave,

More power to X10 on making bucks. If they want to dance naked under a sandwich board in Times Square -and this works for them- then bravo for them! My point was that it should be easier for current owners of X10 systems to get right to a list of products they can buy without needing hip waders and fly swatters.

However, your point about customer service is well taken and I can back it up by saying that paradoxically, the quality of their customer service is inversely proportional to the total and complete suckiness of the website. My own experience today was great with a short wait, a friendly person and a nice followup e-mail with troubleshooting tips and in-depth technical info to help me understand why my module was turning back on moments after I turned it off. Problem solved.

I'd suggest buyers use the forums, which do not suck, and otherwise simply call X10 for support on everything else. If X10 wants to pay to staff a call center with nice people like Leeanne, who I I spoke with today, then hey, who am I to argue? I like real people!

You'll still, however, need nerves of steel and Sherpa guides to find the products you might wish to buy!
Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: Walt2 on February 06, 2007, 03:26:17 PM
My point was that it should be easier for current owners of X10 systems to get right to a list of products they can buy without needing hip waders and fly swatters.

Doesn't the AHP "buy" button do that?
Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: HA Dave on February 06, 2007, 04:25:29 PM

I'd suggest buyers use the forums, which do not suck, and otherwise simply call X10 for support on everything else. If X10 wants to pay to staff a call center with nice people like Leeanne, who I I spoke with today, then hey, who am I to argue? I like real people!

You'll still, however, need nerves of steel and Sherpa guides to find the products you might wish to buy!

I agree!
Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: Dan Lawrence on February 06, 2007, 07:14:14 PM
My point was that it should be easier for current owners of X10 systems to get right to a list of products they can buy without needing hip waders and fly swatters.

Doesn't the AHP "buy" button do that?

Nope.

It takes you to the X10 site, where you still need nerves of steel and Sherpa guides to find the products you might wish to buy, which happens to be the reason I tuned it off in my AHP.
Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: Walt2 on February 08, 2007, 08:34:34 AM
How about, then, using just the Product Catalog webpages, like ...

Home Automation (http://www.x10.com/products/products.htm)
Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: Brian H on February 08, 2007, 12:22:56 PM
Too bad the front page has so much flash before you can get to the catalog pages.
Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: spamandeggs on February 13, 2007, 02:50:14 PM
as an E-Commerce professional I must state the people that run this website don't know what they are doing in their marketing and design philosophy.

it is the name recognition that brings people to this site, and nothing more. I can easily find an alternative to take my business as I can't say that it would be all that smart to do business with a company that manages itself in this manner. it does not reflect well upon the company AT ALL.
Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: Perseus on December 04, 2007, 01:05:29 PM
as an E-Commerce professional I must state the people that run this website don't know what they are doing in their marketing and design philosophy.

it is the name recognition that brings people to this site, and nothing more. I can easily find an alternative to take my business as I can't say that it would be all that smart to do business with a company that manages itself in this manner. it does not reflect well upon the company AT ALL.

I completely agree. I teach e-business, site design, and related things. Their site is one of the worst I have ever seen, and their newsletter is of the same quality. If they would clean up their act, they would get much more business instead of driving it away.
Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: HA Dave on December 04, 2007, 04:34:25 PM
..............If they would clean up their act, they would get much more business ....

And.... how much business do they get? This information you offer... is based on a factual account of numbers .... or what? For all I know... X10 has the greatest rate of click-through-to-purchase on the Internet. And the highest dollar purchase, per visitor, ratio.

Do have numbers that show differently?
Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: Dan Lawrence on December 04, 2007, 07:29:08 PM
Interestingly, Automated Outlet http://www.automatedoutlet.com/home.php  beats X10 USA for prices, sometimes as much as 50%.  I do all my shopping forX10 items there, the shipping is $7.50 no matter how big the order is.
Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: MichaelC on December 06, 2007, 01:05:49 PM
..............If they would clean up their act, they would get much more business ....

And.... how much business do they get? This information you offer... is based on a factual account of numbers .... or what? For all I know... X10 has the greatest rate of click-through-to-purchase on the Internet. And the highest dollar purchase, per visitor, ratio.

Do have numbers that show differently?

I don't have the numbers now, but I used to see them every day. The rate of purchase and average sale at X10 were significantly down from their height (and still declining somewhat) when I left. Still enough to have a healthy business, but not as good I thought they could be.

The design of the site and the newsletters reflect a peculiar X10 philosophy -- that what the customers tell you they want (product-wise, site design-wise, etc.) isn't what they really want and their continuing to buy from the X10 carnival advertising proves that people really do want a jumbled, confusing, garish web site. I tend to think that X10 keeps those customers in spite of the style of advertising, and that X10 could sacrifice some short term sales in favor of building a larger long term customer base by doing away with the circus and constant "sales" and crazy price claims.

The pop-unders from years ago that everyone still remembers were incredibly effective, however. There was a constant feedback loop between advertising click-throughs and site purchases that was ruthlessly performance based -- if it didn't sell, it didn't stay up. That performance was built on a slow Internet advertising market, a new and easy to understand product ("tiny wireless camera"), and a new way of advertising (pop-under) that got people's attention while also being really annoying.
Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: steven r on December 06, 2007, 01:26:20 PM
...The design of the site and the newsletters reflect a peculiar X10 philosophy -- that what the customers tell you they want (product-wise, site design-wise, etc.) isn't what they really want and their continuing to buy from the X10 carnival advertising proves that people really do want a jumbled, confusing, garish web site. I tend to think that X10 keeps those customers in spite of the style of advertising, and that X10 could sacrifice some short term sales in favor of building a larger long term customer base by doing away with the circus and constant "sales" and crazy price claims....
Thank you for what I expect will be closest thing we'll get to an inside view of why X10 choses to continue their irritating web site approach.

As a side note, I use a host file on my computer to weed out most advertising on my screen. X10 is so well known for its "advertising format" that it is one of the sites that are blocked by default with the host file. I had to modify the host file so I could access the forums here.
Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: HA Dave on December 06, 2007, 03:55:21 PM

I don't have the numbers now, but I used to see them every day. The rate of purchase and average sale at X10 were significantly down from their height (and still declining somewhat) when I left. Still enough to have a healthy business, but not as good I thought they could be. ...........

.......The pop-unders from years ago that everyone still remembers were incredibly effective, .....


None of that surprises me!

If I remember correctly.... in the early days... X10 also had much less competition also. I don't know who-owns-what... at the various HA Sites/stores. I do know competition will eventually kill EVERY business. If X10 made a business mistake (and I am NOT saying they did), it was allowing someone else to start a "SmartHome" 1st. If your successful in a new business... competition will show-up. If you have to compete (and you DO)... you should compete with yourself.

Years ago.... I worked part-time at a mall. At that mall there was eight (separate and differently named) jewelry stores. All eight were owned by the same family. For the same reason... General Motors manufactures automobiles under several "names".

One store... or one Web Site.. can't satisfy everyone. I wish for X10... many more years of healthy profits.
Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: Perseus on December 06, 2007, 04:03:51 PM
...The design of the site and the newsletters reflect a peculiar X10 philosophy -- that what the customers tell you they want (product-wise, site design-wise, etc.) isn't what they really want and their continuing to buy from the X10 carnival advertising proves that people really do want a jumbled, confusing, garish web site. I tend to think that X10 keeps those customers in spite of the style of advertising, and that X10 could sacrifice some short term sales in favor of building a larger long term customer base by doing away with the circus and constant "sales" and crazy price claims....
Thank you for what I expect will be closest thing we'll get to an inside view of why X10 choses to continue their irritating web site approach.

As a side note, I use a host file on my computer to weed out most advertising on my screen. X10 is so well known for its "advertising format" that it is one of the sites that are blocked by default with the host file. I had to modify the host file so I could access the forums here.

Michael, thanks for the G2. Their site is so badly designed that I avoid it. The first time I hit the URL, I thought it was a joke - could this really be a business site? I have seen better children's computer club sites. Here in SoFla, we have big company named Brandsmart. Their ads appear chaotic, but when you become accustomed to them, they are okay. The X10 site is so bad, nobody will accept it. I continue to take my business elsewhere.
Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: MassMadness on December 22, 2008, 03:23:10 PM
Interestingly, Automated Outlet http://www.automatedoutlet.com/home.php  beats X10 USA for prices, sometimes as much as 50%.  I do all my shopping forX10 items there, the shipping is $7.50 no matter how big the order is.

THANK YOU!  Finally a site with decent prices and a non-invasive interface.  I visit to shop and don't appreciate all the flash.  I just want to click on the bookmark, do my research, buy, and log off.  Simple.  If I want stimulation, I can always watch TV.

I like what MichaelC called it.  "carnival advertising."  I don't get it, but I don't understand people who click on pop-ups or respond to SPAM, either.
Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: hkactive on January 28, 2009, 01:02:13 PM
I don't really care if they think that they know what they're doing. They're making money at the expense of compromising that little inner voice that tells them they shouldn't be using bimbos to advertise their products. I cringe everytime I visit the site to check out their products. There's enough garbage on the Internet without X10 promoting more of the same.

But if you're main goal in life is making money, who cares about what values you compromise. Who was it that said that the "love of money is the root of all evil."

The only problem with such a philosophy is that you're sacrificing the permanent on the altar of the immediate. You may laugh all the way to bank, but when society falls apart and you or or your wife get mugged on the street from the children of broken up homes, realize that you've played a major role in your own demise.
Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: nena1bomb on April 01, 2009, 12:25:35 AM
 -:) I know! Maybe X10 is trying to get the reputation that their site totally sucks and in doing so they
get more customers talking and wanting to check it out themselves. Then they end up buying something. I have to say the
forum thing is pretty cool. I am cracking up  rofl (like this) just reading what you guys say. I think of a restaurant I used to pass by,
it was called " World's Worst Food," or something like that. The hilarious thing, was that the restaurant was filled to capacity with people. I have to ask one question, the women who work at x10, do they have any issues with the site and sexual harrassment, etc?

Title: Re: Poor site, better way
Post by: HA Dave on April 01, 2009, 01:42:19 AM
....... Who was it that said that the "love of money is the root of all evil."

I think that was the Apostle Paul, writing to Timothy in I Tim 6:10, ("For the love of money is the root of all evil..").

But I don't think X10 is really a greedy evil corporation. The Home Automation market is a niche market. I think they feel that the models just help then get peoples attention. I hate the way it makes the Site look.... I wish they would try better ads.