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Title: A Forum Suggestion
Post by: Puck on August 27, 2007, 10:07:12 AM
When topics get moved to a more appropriate location, it is important to have a redirect from the original poster's chosen location. My suggestion is to have these MOVED notices deleted after so much time has elapsed.

The purpose of these is so the OP can find his/her post and any replies. IMHO after about a week, these become unnecessary to the content of the forum.

Currently, as I had just searched, there are 337 MOVED posts. When you are looking through differnet categories or doing a search, there are a lot of these now useless posts to wade through. I for one would like to see them disappear over time.
Title: Re: A Forum Suggestion
Post by: KDR on August 27, 2007, 02:44:32 PM
Thanks Puck for the idea. The CO's are looking into that right now. I would think anything over 30 days should be deleted. I'm thinking 30 because there are some people that do take 3 week vacations so if that's the case they could still find it.

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Title: Re: A Forum Suggestion
Post by: Tuicemen on August 27, 2007, 04:07:41 PM
Actually each CO is responsible for removing their moved posts!
It was suggested by (the last administer) that they be removed after a few days! Most wait until the OP has logged back on before removing the moved post!
If one finds an old moved post, PM the CO and inform them you found an old one(they may have missed it or forgotten about it)! ::)
If it remains PM mmallari as that CO Can't their job! ;)
And state that fact! ;)
Title: Re: A Forum Suggestion
Post by: Puck on August 27, 2007, 04:21:07 PM
Thanks KDR & Tuicemen.

I just deleted the 9 moved messages I created during my brief CO era last March.  ;)
Title: Re: A Forum Suggestion
Post by: KDR on August 27, 2007, 10:18:20 PM
Actually there are so many old ones and they are everywhere that whenever any CO runs across one they should just delete it. This way the board cleanup will go faster and everyone will be pitching in.

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Title: Re: A Forum Suggestion
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on August 27, 2007, 10:46:07 PM
When topics get moved to a more appropriate location, it is important to have a redirect from the original poster's chosen location. My suggestion is to have these MOVED notices deleted after so much time has elapsed.

The purpose of these is so the OP can find his/her post and any replies. IMHO after about a week, these become unnecessary to the content of the forum.

Currently, as I had just searched, there are 337 MOVED posts. When you are looking through differnet categories or doing a search, there are a lot of these now useless posts to wade through. I for one would like to see them disappear over time.


I guess "Great minds think alike"!  I brought this up in the CO section of the forum on 08/24/2007!!!!    :o   ;D
Title: Re: A Forum Suggestion
Post by: Puck on August 27, 2007, 11:21:22 PM
I guess "Great minds think alike"!  I brought this up in the CO section of the forum on 08/24/2007!!!!    :o   ;D

And I thought I was an hour ahead of you; apparently I'm 3 days behind. :P :D
Title: Re: A Forum Suggestion
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on August 27, 2007, 11:22:34 PM
I guess "Great minds think alike"!  I brought this up in the CO section of the forum on 08/24/2007!!!!    :o   ;D

And I thought I was an hour ahead of you; apparently I'm 3 days behind. :P :D


ROFLOL!!!   ;D
Title: Re: A Forum Suggestion
Post by: MichaelC on August 28, 2007, 07:30:53 PM
I'm not a CO, but I would have liked to have the default be to not create a "MOVED" thread at all. I always unchecked that box when moving threads when I was the administrator. I think the "MOVED" posts are just clutter -- there's plenty of ways to find your own threads if you lose track of them, and you'll notice that the URL remains the same when it moves so bookmarks, etc. still work.
Title: Re: A Forum Suggestion
Post by: HA Dave on August 28, 2007, 08:16:36 PM

............I would have liked to have the default be to not create a "MOVED" thread at all.


I like that idea!!!
Title: Re: A Forum Suggestion
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on August 28, 2007, 11:29:36 PM
I'm not a CO, but I would have liked to have the default be to not create a "MOVED" thread at all. I always unchecked that box when moving threads when I was the administrator. I think the "MOVED" posts are just clutter -- there's plenty of ways to find your own threads if you lose track of them, and you'll notice that the URL remains the same when it moves so bookmarks, etc. still work.

Thank you MichaelC!   8)

I just tested (being a Missourian and all "Show me"  ;) ), and indeed the link remains the same, so it appears the default of posting a "Moved" topic is absolutely unnecessary!   ???

Well, I guess that's it for "Moved" then!

You other CO's behind this?
Title: Re: A Forum Suggestion
Post by: KDR on August 29, 2007, 05:25:12 AM
I support this. It will make things much cleaner.

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Title: Re: A Forum Suggestion
Post by: Tuicemen on August 29, 2007, 11:37:22 AM
I think the main reason behind having a moved post is for newbies!
If one posts and no one replies before the move a newbie will assume it was deleted or never actually got posted and re-post!
Surely  MichaelC you remember seeing this! ;)
True many regulars know how to navigate this forum but many newbies and some regulars don't! :(
I'd rather move one post and delete one moved post then move one and delete  duplicates, or possibly get the user banned for unknowingly spaming the forum! ::)
I'm tired of Rant posts and don't wish to see another one like:
 Topic: Censorship  (Read 1355 times)  (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=6471.0)
Title: Re: A Forum Suggestion
Post by: KDR on August 29, 2007, 05:58:09 PM
I think the main reason behind having a moved post is for newbies!
If one posts and no one replies before the move a newbie will assume it was deleted or never actually got posted and re-post!
Surely  MichaelC you remember seeing this! ;)
True many regulars know how to navigate this forum but many newbies and some regulars don't! :(
I'd rather move one post and delete one moved post then move one and delete  duplicates, or possibly get the user banned for unknowingly spaming the forum! ::)
I'm tired of Rant posts and don't wish to see another one like:
 Topic: Censorship  (Read 1355 times)  (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=6471.0)


Tuicemen I understand what your saying but I guess what is unknown is the frequency of how much this happens. A few times a day, or week or month or year? You and MichaelC may have a feel on this since you both have been here since dirt was discovered  ;D Just kidding.... Dirt is older then both of you.


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Title: Re: A Forum Suggestion
Post by: Dan Lawrence on August 29, 2007, 07:04:26 PM
In fact the section Censorship can be deleted.  The last post (there are only 2) was 3 years ago!!!
Title: Re: A Forum Suggestion
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on August 29, 2007, 10:35:46 PM
In fact the section Censorship can be deleted.  The last post (there are only 2) was 3 years ago!!!

Interesting point Dan.

Thoughts guys?   ???
Title: Re: A Forum Suggestion
Post by: MichaelC on August 30, 2007, 04:04:33 PM
Well, again, I'm not a CO and this board is yours not mine, but to me deleting posts for distasteful content creates a mistrust of the openness of the forums in general. All the old posts about censorship came from posts going missing. The posts were gone because of buggy forum software, but people thought that X10 was trying to hide critical comments. X10 doesn't have the greatest reputation for respecting its customer in that way, so that was understandable to me.

You'll probably see that there have been no posts about censorship since we moved to the current forum. I think that is almost certainly due to you guys (and X10) doing a minimal amount of culling of posts. Only blatant spam and abuse gets removed, and everything else stays. That gives people confidence that their voice is heard, and that they can trust what they find here.

I do think that the old posts are now of limited usefulness, and it might be a good idea to archive everything older than 2005 -- but to pick individual posts to delete because we don't like them or don't think they look good erodes the credibility that has been built here.
Title: Re: A Forum Suggestion
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on August 30, 2007, 10:00:38 PM
Darn it MichaelC!  Now you're forcing me to think!   ;D
Title: Re: A Forum Suggestion
Post by: HA Dave on August 31, 2007, 10:41:02 AM

I do think that the old posts are now of limited usefulness, and it might be a good idea to archive everything older than 2005 -- ............................................


You know better than I do.... But I fine it hard [for me] to believe that questions/problems/solutions posted today will be "of limited usefulness" in two years. However it is very true that many ...if not MOST posts are repeats of information already available through a search.

It is the back-and-forth nature [of posts and replys].... that puts the "community" in the X10 Community Forums. As long as archived information was also available through the search, the forum(s) could better serve the X10 community. As BOTH a resource of knowledge and a current discussion group.
Title: Re: A Forum Suggestion
Post by: Tuicemen on September 11, 2007, 09:21:51 AM
Actually the suggestion (topic)of archiving older post has come up in CO discussion with X10 Staff numerous times as yet the Brass fail to see the need!
I agree With MichaelC   we can't just go deleting old posts!
The Censorship post was just the first post I found about missing posts and MichaelC   is likely right that it was a server issue But I have received e-mails asking about missing posts A search usually turns them up!
On the Note about links always working for moved threads: I have come across one that didn't,  the root cause seems to have been a merger with a new thread and possibly several moves  ::) ???
Title: Re: A Forum Suggestion
Post by: MichaelC on September 11, 2007, 03:59:45 PM
Dave_x10_L's questioning my calling old posts "of limited usefulness" is right on target. Thinking about it again it seems to me that keeping all old posts has value even if they seem dated or remind us (or X10) of things that we would rather forget.
Title: Re: A Forum Suggestion
Post by: steven r on September 11, 2007, 04:23:12 PM
...it seems to me that keeping all old posts has value even if they seem dated or remind us (or X10) of things that we would rather forget.
This is my feeling also. I'd rather a misleading or outdated post or comment be so noted than removed.