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🖥️ActiveHome Pro => ActiveHome Pro General => Topic started by: EL34 on June 03, 2008, 06:54:35 AM
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I watch the X10 traffic on my system and see that there is a g7 module that gets turned on now and then.
I don't have a g7 module showing in AHP, but I think I did a year or so ago.
I have unplugged the cm15 and removed the batteries, but the g7 module still rides the power lines.
It's like a ghost that refuses to die. >*<
Anyone ever have any ghost modules and how can I get rid of it?
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I watch the X10 traffic on my system and see that there is a g7 module that gets turned on now and then.
I don't have a g7 module showing in AHP, but I think I did a year or so ago.
I have unplugged the cm15 and removed the batteries, but the g7 module still rides the power lines.
It's like a ghost that refuses to die. >*<
Anyone ever have any ghost modules and how can I get rid of it?
Does it always show up, or only when you use RF controllers / motions ?
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EL34: I'm sure are aware of some motion sensor's UC+1 when it transitions between light & dark, so I just wanted to add that possibility here for others who may have the same question but are unaware of this feature.
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Bill, It's kind of random, at least I haven't noticed any patterns, but I'll start taking notes and see if there is an opaque pattern.
Puck, I don't have any X10 motion sensors outside. I only have one of the small ones in a shop dust room, but it is not able to see sunlight. There are a couple windows in that room, but they face away from the sun and are on a shady side of the building. I'll keep an eye out for time of day patterns.
I use the motion sensors you see on this page, coupled to powerflash units.
http://www.el34world.com/Misc/home/X10_2.htm
Thanks for the tips guys, I'll keep a closer watch on things.
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...I don't have a g7 module showing in AHP, but I think I did a year or so ago....
I think I recall having a similar problem once when a module that I had deleted but not emptied from the recycle bin came back to haunt me. It's been awhile so I may not be remembering the details. View your deleted bin and if there is anything in it, particularly a G7 module, empty the bin and try re downloading. Maybe even clearing the CM15A and reloading again.
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EL34: What color does G7 appear as?
I believe the colors are appointed this way:
Green: A physical module is defined in your AHX file.
Yellow: No physical module, but the address is called from somewhere in your AHX file (a macro).
Red: Address received from another source (PLC or RF) and not from your AHX file.
If it's Yellow and you can't find it in a macro anywhere, then it's probably as steven r suggested.
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I'm not using AHP any more, it not even loaded and running, but I do remember seeing g7 pop up in the AHP log file also when I did use AHP.
I am using my Custom VB program to view X10 traffic
http://www.el34world.com/Misc/home/X10_5.htm
I will fire up AHP again and check the recycle bin.
I do remember a while back, adding a g7 mdule to AHP and then deleteing it, but it still showed up in AHP traffic now and then. I set a appliance module to g7 and plugged it in, it ccame on by itself when the ghost g7 appeared on the X10 network.
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Ok, I looked back at my X10 traffic monitor and found this pattern for g7
I reset the monitor every couple days so I could only find these four entries for the last two days.
20:24:56-recvplc-g7-On
06:59:07-recvplc-g7-Off
20:29:41-recvplc-g7-On
06:53:25-recvplc-g7-Off
It's like the module is on some sort of timer, but it's not dusk and dawn.
dusk and dawn the last couple days here were
dusk is 20:42
dawn is 6:13
I looked inside my .ahx file and do not see any occurances of g7
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...I don't have a g7 module showing in AHP, but I think I did a year or so ago.
I have unplugged the cm15 and removed the batteries, but the g7 module still rides the power lines.
I'm not using AHP any more, it not even loaded and running, but I do remember seeing g7 pop up in the AHP log file also when I did use AHP.
I am using my Custom VB program to view X10 traffic
http://www.el34world.com/Misc/home/X10_5.htm
I will fire up AHP again and check the recycle bin....
To clear things up for me anyway, you're not using AHP but you are still using the CM15A with your program, right?
Do you still need AHP to setup modules and macros for the CM15A or is your program handling that?
Does your custom program only view or can it issue commands also?
Let us know what, if anything, you find in the recycle bin.
The use of a 3rd party program adds a variable to problem that most, if not all of us, here are not familiar. It might help to back step for a day and see if the problem continues if you are using just AHP.
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20:24:56-recvplc-g7-On
06:59:07-recvplc-g7-Off
20:29:41-recvplc-g7-On
06:53:25-recvplc-g7-Off
Do you have an old forgotten about X10 motion sensor laying on a shelf somewhere? Those times sure look like when it would start seeing dark & light and sending out a UC+1 signal. Especially with the ON at dark & the OFF at light.
With it changing daily and being close but not at the CM15A's dusk/dawn, it doesn't sound like a timer or macro.
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Steven,
I don't use AHP, I am using my own custom program with the SDK with the cm15a
The mystery module appears in the AHP activity monitor also.
yes, when I install a new module, I start AHP and set it up there and save the config file.
My program does many things, it does just about everything AHP does.
More info here - http://www.el34world.com/Misc/home/X10_5.htm
recycle bin is empty in AHP
Puck, I don't have any x10 motion sensors, just one eagle eye that was described above. I have never purchased or used any x10 motion sensors except the eagle eye.
The g7 module is still showing up in my x10 traffic.
I am probably gonna get another cm15a for my girlfriends house.
I'll use the fresh one here and give her my old one to see what happens.
The g7 module has to be stuck inside the cm15a, I don't see how else the thing can get onto the x10 traffic.
If you think about it, look at your AHP Find other computers and see how many other modules you do not have installed show up in that screen.
That screen always registers other modules until you reset the log file.
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...I don't have any x10 motion sensors, just one eagle eye that was described above. I have never purchased or used any x10 motion sensors except the eagle eye....
What is the the current address of the eagle eye you have and where is it placed?
...I am probably gonna get another cm15a for my girlfriends house.
I'll use the fresh one here and give her my old one to see what happens....
I will be interested to see if the problem moves to her house. My bet is that it doesn't but either way it will serve to help isolate the problem.
Let us know.
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Yeah me too, I'll post back when I get another cm15a .
The reason I was thinking it was the cm15a is that it shows up in my x10 traffic every evening after 8pm like it's and old timer or something
two more entries for the last two days
06-05-2008 - 20:18:37 - recvplc - g7 - On
06-06-2008 - 20:20:34 - recvplc - g7 - On
It's like it's on a timer, but at no exact set time.
I'll check the eagle eye motion sensor and see what it is set to, can't remember right now, and it is in another building.
It is inside a shop dust room. when I walk into the room, the eagle eye turns on a appliance module that then turns on two exhaust fans.
so according to what puck said, the motion sensor can do this sort of thing?
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To sum up... (Pardon me stepping in Puck.)
20:24:56-recvplc-g7-On
06:59:07-recvplc-g7-Off
20:29:41-recvplc-g7-On
06:53:25-recvplc-g7-Off
...Those times sure look like when it would start seeing dark & light and sending out a UC+1 signal. Especially with the ON at dark & the OFF at light....
...so according to what puck said, the motion sensor can do this sort of thing?
If it turns out that your eagle eye UC is set for G6 then it's will send a G7 (UC+1) ON when it senses dark and and a G7 OFF when it senses light.
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Ahhha, really?
I just checked and the eagle eye is set to G6.
G6 is the wall socket module that the dust fans are plugged into.
The Eagle eye sends a rf signal to a nearby TF751.
The TF751 send plc command to G6 wall socket.
Crap, so what would happen if I used G16 on the eagle eye and the wall receptacle?
There is no G17
Now I see what you are saying about the motion sensors.
wasn't really sure what UC+1 meant.
Still not sure what UC is? rofl
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Crap, so what would happen if I used G16 on the eagle eye and the wall receptacle?
There is no G17
UC + 1 = G1 (It loops back to 1 again)
Still not sure what UC is? rofl
UC = Unit Code (The 7 in G7)
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UC is the Unit Code. Like the HC is the House Code is A-P. Unit Code is the 1-16.
From what I understand a motion setting of G16 will loop around to G1 for dusk dawn.
:' Oh Puck already confirmed the loop OH well.
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Well, now I understand where g7 is coming from, the next question is why????
That makes absolutely no sense that an eagle eye motion sensor spits out a code for which it is not set to. ??? ??? ???
It is set to g6, why does it send out a g7?
I am sure I have missed a post or two since I don't get here all that often.
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Has a Dusk Dawn sensor. When it gets dark it sends an on and an off when it gets light on the motion address +1 Unit Code. Now if you happen to have it sending on a module with that address it will control it. If you happen to have the module going on and off and its load shines on the motion sensor. You get a nice cycle of on and off lights.
I believe the Active Eye Motion sensor can be set to not send the Dusk Dawn code or even only detect motion at night.
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Ok, I did not know that, thanks for the info.
It's been a year or so since I set up this eagle eye in my shop. Guess I should have read the whole sheet that comes with it.
Or maybe I did, and did not remember. ;D
I do see now in the eagle eye instruction sheet that it sends a dusk and dawn UC+1 code.
The instructions that came with the eagle eye mentions the UC+ 1 thing, but it does not say that you can disable it ??? ???
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Well I believe there is a hack out there. Where you can disable it. Warranty is gone then.
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Warranty on a $8 item? rofl
Don't care about that.
Where is this "out there" you speak of? ;D
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I don't know of an electrical mod, but you can just lift the lid and place a piece of electrical tape over the small photo-cell inside. This will prevent it from seeing a change in light levels, and not sending out the UC+1.
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Yaeh, ok, I have it apart in front of me and that's what I figured I would do.
I only use it in a dust room to detect motion, I don't need the night/day photo cell for that.
Thanks.
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I don't know of an electrical mod, but you can just lift the lid and place a piece of electrical tape over the small photo-cell inside. This will prevent it from seeing a change in light levels, and not sending out the UC+1.
...I have it apart in front of me and that's what I figured I would do....
Of course all this only matters if you plan to use the G7 code for something else. Otherwise the KISS approach is to just ignore the G7 signal. ;)
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Put a piece of black tape over the photocell and it will always think it is dark. Not to be confused with the IR detector used for motion sensing. Yes motion is sensed is temperature change in a set amount of time.
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I put some black electrical tape of the photo resistor yesterday.
Works fine as just a motion sensor.
Checked the x10 traffic monitor and g7 is not being sent by the eagle eye any more.
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Glad to see you resolved your problem and congratulations to Puck for his keen eye in spotting the dusk & dawn times. :)%
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Yes, thanks.
The times were not quite dusk and dawn and that threw me off.
Actual dusk was about 20 minutes later than g7 was going off.
Dawn was about the same deal when g7 actually triggered in the mornings
Being that the sensor is inside a room that is on the north side of a building, both dusk and dawn tigger times were off quite a bit from actual dusk and dawn.
Anywho, the sensor is behaving now,
thanks
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Glad it now is doing what you wanted.