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Title: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Puck on October 02, 2008, 06:24:26 PM
It appears there are some of us who recently (re)installed AHP and now have Version 3.236.

For those that are now running this newer version:

If you were a previous AHP user (Version 3.228 on down) please use this thread to post any differences that you see with 3.236.

or

If you are new to AHP please post what plug-ins (if any) you have, and any GUI issues.



To start with, I have all the plug-ins. I notice that the "VA11A not available" warning screen no longer appears on start-up, which occurred regularly since I do not have one on this PC (+ 1)

Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: BaBaLou. on October 02, 2008, 06:42:20 PM
Hi Puck, Hi all.
Here is link to X10 Download page showing the new ver 3.236 on there for download.

http://www.x10.com/support/support_soft1.htm

Quote
To start with, I have all the plug-ins. I notice that the "VA11A not available" warning screen no longer appears on start-up
Same here.

BaBaLou.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on October 02, 2008, 09:09:17 PM
IS there any difference between 3.228 and 3.236 or is 3.236 a version with all or one plug-in?

BTW the Active Home Pro Software History is useless now as it (1) stops with 3.204 and (2) makes no mention of 3.206 or anything past 3.204.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on October 02, 2008, 09:16:30 PM
Quote from: BaBaLou. on October 02, 2008, 06:42:20 PM
Hi Puck, Hi all.
Here is link to X10 Download page showing the new ver 3.236 on there for download.

http://www.x10.com/support/support_soft1.htm

Quote
To start with, I have all the plug-ins. I notice that the "VA11A not available" warning screen no longer appears on start-up
Same here.

BaBaLou.


The link is useless.  It points to the same old X10 Software page that makes no mention of Active Home Pro.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: BaBaLou. on October 02, 2008, 09:55:13 PM
Hi Dan

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The link is useless.  It points to the same old X10 Software page that makes no mention of Active Home Pro.

yes same old Link, but I wanted to point out the area where I have Highlighted in yellow.SO you can see.
its a 1MB file, THAT'S the NEW Version dated September 5, 2008, the one we are talking about. Others can give more info on file sizes and such on past Ver. upgrades of AHP. I just had upgraded the same version with this one and still looking to see the difference in them. It was a WAY for those looking to upgrade to Ver 3.236.!!
BaBaLou.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: BaBaLou. on October 02, 2008, 09:58:06 PM
It looks like an Upgrade for the VA11A, of which is still not working for me. Vista NO mention, Still working on it in XP.sp3
BaBaLou.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Puck on October 03, 2008, 12:14:08 AM
BaBaLou: Thanks for the pointing out that the download page shows the new version is related to the iWatchout plug-in.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Noam on October 03, 2008, 09:08:16 AM
I'm still confused how you got AHP version 3.236.
The latest one I have 3.228, and the software won't find a newer one when I click "Check Update"
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Puck on October 03, 2008, 09:21:28 AM
Quote from: Noam on October 03, 2008, 09:08:16 AM
I'm still confused how you got AHP version 3.236.
The latest one I have 3.228, and the software won't find a newer one when I click "Check Update"

It is probably grabbing this new update during a new (re)install. My second PC doesn't state a new update either and is still at 3.228.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Noam on October 03, 2008, 01:36:13 PM
Quote from: Noam on October 03, 2008, 09:08:16 AM
I'm still confused how you got AHP version 3.236.
The latest one I have 3.228, and the software won't find a newer one when I click "Check Update"

Well, I called X10, and asked about this. The lady on the phone didn't know why my software wasn't pulling the update, but she was able to e-mail me the file.
I installed it on my "test" system, with no issues. I didn't notice any differences initially, but I didn't have time to compare 3.236 (on my test system) with 3.228 (on my production system). I'm curious to know what the differences are, and what changes they made from 3.228 to 3.236.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: BaBaLou. on October 03, 2008, 05:17:39 PM
Quote
BaBaLou: Thanks for the pointing out that the download page shows the new version is related to the iWatchout plug-in.

Thanks Puck, the update file from the site was applied to the new install updated file and now the VA11A after reboot is working normal. Nothing else of notice in updated version so far.
BaBaLou.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: BaBaLou. on October 04, 2008, 04:33:22 PM
FYI,
the original install with the VA11A not working was not the error of update but instead had a major interference coming from 3 Logitech Cordless Wingman gamepads for the computers in the same room as the AHP system computer. Upon disconnecting all the gamepads the signal came in from both X2 cams as well as the Astek cams using the Astek Receiver plugged into the VA11A. Just a note.
Down side, need to keep kids happy so Wired gamepads on the list. Try to push this one off till Christmas, but doubt it.

BaBaLou.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: hpdrifter on October 14, 2008, 09:26:39 PM
I'm running 3.236, but it's my firstis and onlyist version I've run, so I can't give you any differences.

I loaded it Sept 3.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: steven r on October 15, 2008, 08:11:32 PM
Well I haven't noticed a difference but have a strong suspicion that it may work better with the VA12A. This of course is just based on "hearsay", however.  ;) Maybe when the VA12A is "released" I'll have a better idea.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Akasonny on October 23, 2008, 04:33:46 AM
 >*<

My bubble is burst.  I have version 3.228 and there appears to be NO WAY to locate (let alone download) any version 3.236.  AHP's "check for update" always says version 3.228 is the latest and there doesn't appear to be anything at the software download center other than updated 3.236 drivers.  And of course the software history page died a slow death many moons ago.

If anyone has a reliable download link to 3.236 or some way for AHP to activate the update, please post here.  I'm beginning to think this is a hoax.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on October 23, 2008, 07:46:32 AM
That version is NOT available from within AHP.  It's only available on the X10 site's software page and only applies to the VA11A, not AHP in general.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Akasonny on October 23, 2008, 12:42:22 PM
I finally stumbled across this 3.236 version with the help of a search engine...downloaded it and learned it only supports AHP and Smart Macros...and not any of the video.  It doesn't appear to have any support for VA11A...if it did, you'd be able to use Iwitness, Myhouse and etc.

It may be just the thing for those who are "camera-less" but does nothing for the rest of us.  Too bad too cuz it appears to have a revision history since version 3.228 too!

And so <sigh> visions of bug-fixes and sugar plums are, once again, dashed.  Maybe in 2009, eh?
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: BaBaLou. on October 23, 2008, 05:02:33 PM
Hi Alcosonny,
I am a bit confused on your problem. As most are too help you in you needs if you are having issues still, working in Vista maybe? This update was only for the driver for the VA11A. I pointed that out earlier in this thread on the first page of which can be found on the download page at the main X10 site. This update had nothing to do with AHP and all the attachments only the driver for the VA11A and so far it may seem nothing that stands out to be notice by anyone or yet to state so.
Let us know if we can help.
BaBaLou
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Akasonny on October 23, 2008, 05:21:32 PM
Well version 3.236 IS available for download from another website.  But it's a different version of AHP and even the modules available from within the program are different.  AHP's download website containing the 3.236 drivers are, apparently, in support of this other program.

The only problem I have is that AHP 3.228 is so "buggy" and I've been awaiting some improvements.  Yes I'm running Vista and have no problems...even with VA11a and cams...its just that there are bugs in 3.228 that I wish were being addressed.  Was hopeful 3.236 was the solution.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on October 23, 2008, 05:37:57 PM
3.236 is for the VA11A ONLY and is for XP and 2000 ONLY, not for Vista.  As to 3.228, Most users of AHP have had zero problems.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Akasonny on October 23, 2008, 05:57:29 PM
Really?

So when you click on any module history, you only see data for THAT module?  You don't see data from other modules as well?
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: BaBaLou. on October 23, 2008, 06:29:49 PM
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So when you click on any module history, you only see data for THAT module?  You don't see data from other modules as well?

You see a simple list of history to all modules and you may call that a bug of sort, it should not effect the operations of AHP thou. Yes maybe it would be nice to have it show on that particular module the history for itself only and maybe add that to the wish list, but non of this should effect the operations of AHP.

Quote
Yes I'm running Vista and have no problems...even with VA11a and cams...

Congratulations!!! I thought no one had the VA11A working in Vista or maybe only a few it seems? what type of computer are you using it on?

Quote
Well version 3.236 IS available for download from another website.  But it's a different version of AHP and even the modules available from within the program are different.

You lost me on that one? available from another site, which one?. modules are different, How?
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Akasonny on October 23, 2008, 07:30:00 PM
In the version prior to 3.228, the history modules worked correctly by displaying only the data for that specific module.  Its not a "wish list" add-on but, instead, a bug that's specific to version 3.228...and a pain in the butt for those of us who are interested in such things for our systems.

Any VISTA computer will work with 3.228 ... do a search on it here.  Its a matter of adding three semi-colons in one of the .INF files and then messing around with windows device manager.  I have a Sony laptop and an HP desktop (both running Vista Premium) and it works on both.

Having been involved with X10 since the 70s (and not all of that joyous!), its my opinion that among the "weak links", AHP and the lack of serious programming is a list-topper.  There is just a serious lack of programming skills ... all of the versions have had a definite "amateurish" approach to everything.

 >*<
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Akasonny on October 23, 2008, 07:31:33 PM
--> BabaLou

Google "x10 3.236" and it'll jump right out at ya.
Title: Changes in New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Boiler on October 23, 2008, 07:43:55 PM
Hello all,

Today I decided to throw caution to the wind and upgrade from AHP 3.204 to 3.228.

I immediately noticed a change in the LM14a interface performance - not a good change.  Here's the recap:

Ver 3.204:


Now I've lived with the above for a number of years now using the LM14a interface with my Leviton units.  It's become second nature to use flags and dummy modules to indicate the status since AHP couldn't monitor the extended codes.

Over the last couple of months, I started playing with the Marmitek X10 Pro interface and found that it could interpret extended codes and correctly indicated the status of LM14a units.  I decided to give 3.228 a try -

Ver 3.228:


The above could at best be referred to as "backward progress".  The incorrect interpretation of the extended codes now affect other units that were functioning properly.

On to 3.236:



Unfortunately, although the desktop status is updated, the "monitored status" for the LM14a remains "off" when using bright commands.  This means that you won't be able to use the smart macro "device status" command with the LM14a interfaced modules.

Nonetheless, 3.236 is an improvement.  I am not sure what other changes were made in going from 3.228 to 3.236, but if you are using LM14a interfaces, the 3.236 seems to function far better.



Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: BaBaLou. on October 23, 2008, 08:15:20 PM

Alcasonny,

The only thing jumping out at me is the X10 sites of which we are referring too. It did also show the Marmitek site of which is intended to our friends across the Pond and a whole nother story. Your a long time user of the X10 and STILL using it, then you know that the X10 world is not a perfect one.

For me Vista didn't work in the suggestions given even thou it did for some. This easiest thing for me was to have a system with XP and that work just fine with no MOD or changes done to any file in windows or such. Simple.
Title: Re: Changes in New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Puck on October 23, 2008, 08:26:25 PM
Quote from: Boiler on October 23, 2008, 07:43:55 PM
I am not sure what other changes were made in going from 3.228 to 3.236, ...

One issue that I am experiencing since the 3.236 install, is that I can no longer open my TV capture card while AHP is running. When I close AHP, the TV capture card works normally. Hope I never have to upgrade my main automation PC which uses a VA11A for remote video access and a TV capture card for my recordings.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on October 23, 2008, 08:48:13 PM
The Google search that BabaLou showed the link to the Marmatec site and their 3.236 is the latest version.  If Akasonny  downloaded that and he's in the US, he's running an non-US version.
Title: Re: Changes in New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Boiler on October 23, 2008, 08:49:42 PM
Quote from: Puck on October 23, 2008, 08:26:25 PM
One issue that I am experiencing since the 3.236 install, is that I can no longer open my TV capture card while AHP is running. When I close AHP, the TV capture card works normally. Hope I never have to upgrade my main automation PC which uses a VA11A for remote video access and a TV capture card for my recordings.

Had somewhat the reverse issue when installing new drivers for my ATI HDTV capture card - lost X10nets.

Restored by reinstalling the SDK - back door access to X10nets.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Boiler on October 23, 2008, 08:51:28 PM
Quote from: Dan Lawrence on October 23, 2008, 08:48:13 PM
The Google search that BabaLou showed the link to the Marmatec site and their 3.236 is the latest version.  If Akasonny  downloaded that and he's in the US, he's running an non-US version.

Exactly correct - this version comes with Smartmacro's and includes the Marmitek label devices.  I've tried it - it functions pretty nicely with my Leviton units (once you figure out what devices to use).
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Boiler on October 23, 2008, 08:58:56 PM
Sorry to be doing this piecemeal but...

Apparently you cannot use a LM14a at the "A1" address - doing so will always use "standard code protocol" (simple on/off/bright/dim - no extended codes).

Using the device at other addresses results in normal operation.

Boiler
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: thejfk on October 26, 2008, 03:09:08 AM
I found an issue with version 3.236...Since 3.236 is the only version I've used, I don't know if this is a new problem or ongoing.
 We've discused some macro start problems using an eagle eye, where a one second delay corrects the problem(thanks guys for helping me with that)...
Here's the issue I've found:  my delay keeps disappearing,  maybe once a day(I'll try to confirm the actual time)
The macro and front porch light work fine for a while(with a one second delay), then I'll get no response to the eagle eye input.
When I check the macro, the delay is gone.
I don't know if disappears when I close AHP, or if I restart my (XP) computer, All I know is it's gone, and I didn't delete it!
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: PajamaGuy on October 26, 2008, 07:01:26 AM
Look at the EXACT name of the AHX file.

For some weird reason, when I reboot, it loads a different file than what was loaded before the reboot.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on October 26, 2008, 10:10:13 AM
Since the version of 3.236 you are using is not the US one, but the Marmitek one, there are significant differences.  Try giving each .ahx file a different, distinctive name.  I've never seen the US/Canada version of AHP ever do what you posted on a reboot of the PC.

Does Marmitek run a board similar to this one, see if any of the Marmitek  users across the pond have ever had that problem before.   
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Boiler on October 26, 2008, 01:11:54 PM
Quote from: Dan Lawrence on October 26, 2008, 10:10:13 AM
Since the version of 3.236 you are using is not the US one, but the Marmitek one, there are significant differences.  Try giving each .ahx file a different, distinctive name.  I've never seen the US/Canada version of AHP ever do what you posted on a reboot of the PC.

Does Marmitek run a board similar to this one, see if any of the Marmitek  users across the pond have ever had that problem before.   

Dan,

I'm not altogether sure who you were replying to...

I may have confused things with my post on the Marmitek software.

Although I have tried the Marmitek version of AHP (different PC - my development system), all of the results that I've posted in this thread were in reference to the US
version.   All of the following was generated using the "Upgrades" from the US site.

I did notice a change in the performance of the LM14a interface when changing to Version 3.236.  Apparently X10 changed more than just the VA11 interface.

I also found a problem with the LM14a interface when it is used at the A1 address - at this address the LM14a behaves like a LM465 interface (no extended codes).

I thought these were important items to bring up because we (and X10) have been instructing new users to switch to the LM14a interface for the new "soft start" modules.  Now it appears that the performance of the LM14a interface is version dependent.  That's a huge complication.  In order to properly troubleshoot a problem, we'll now need to know the software version.

Quote from: Boiler on October 23, 2008, 07:43:55 PM
Ver 3.204:
  • When a LM14a is activated from the desktop the desktop status is correct and Activity Monitor shows the outgoing extended Code command
  • When a macro that uses a LM14a is executed - if the macro uses a dim or bright command (extended code) the outgoing command is not shown in activity monitor and the desktop status is not updated.  Note that the LM14a status is updated if you issue a simple ON/OFF command (uses standard command formats).  The upshot is that if you are using a dim/bright command with a LM14a (extended code) in a macro, you cannot use the "device status" command in smart macros to qualify macro execution.



Ver 3.228:
  • When a LM14a is activated from the desktop the desktop status is correct and Activity Monitor shows the outgoing extended Code command - so far so good
  • When a macro that uses a LM14a is executed - if the macro uses a dim or bright command (extended code) the outgoing command is shown in activity monitor, but it is shown at the module address +1..  To be more specific, if a macro issues a bright 90% to A1 the desktop icon for A2 will turn on and indicate 90%.   Activity monitor also shows the A2 module extended code command.  Meanwhile, the lamp at A1 responds properly and my testerlinc indicates an extended code command to A1 (as it should).


The above could at best be referred to as "backward progress".  The incorrect interpretation of the extended codes now affect other units that were functioning properly.

On to 3.236:

  • LM14a Desktop functions properly - so far so good
  • LM14a Macro functions are indicated properly within activity monitor and display properly on the desktop.


Unfortunately, although the desktop status is updated, the "monitored status" for the LM14a remains "off" when using bright commands.  This means that you won't be able to use the smart macro "device status" command with the LM14a interfaced modules.

Nonetheless, 3.236 is an improvement.  I am not sure what other changes were made in going from 3.228 to 3.236, but if you are using LM14a interfaces, the 3.236 seems to function far better.

Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Puck on October 26, 2008, 01:43:02 PM
Quote from: Dan Lawrence on October 26, 2008, 10:10:13 AM
Since the version of 3.236 you are using is not the US one, but the Marmitek one, there are significant differences. 

This is probably true Dan, but it is being installed through X10USA for some of us North American customers... just don't know if it is intentional or some server error at their end.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on October 26, 2008, 07:32:07 PM
The only 3.236 on the X10 site is this one:     Version     Size     Primary     Alternate
3.236 - Released Sept 05, 2008 - Windows XP, 2000    1.0MB    x10drivers.exe    x10drivers.exe
         
For XRay Vision, MultiView, WebView, Vanguard, Sentinel, iWatchout, and ShowTime.

It's not Marmitek, where is that version available here?
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Puck on October 26, 2008, 08:15:34 PM
Quote from: Dan Lawrence on October 26, 2008, 07:32:07 PM
The only 3.236 on the X10 site is this one:     Version     Size     Primary     Alternate
3.236 - Released Sept 05, 2008 - Windows XP, 2000    1.0MB    x10drivers.exe    x10drivers.exe
         
For XRay Vision, MultiView, WebView, Vanguard, Sentinel, iWatchout, and ShowTime.

It's not Marmitek, where is that version available here?

iWatchout It's a plugin used by many for AHP. As for where and why it appears on some new installs and does not appear as an upgrade to an existing system, you may have to wait for X10 to answer that. Is it a server mess up? Well the history of OnAlert tells us that is a real possibility.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Tuicemen on December 07, 2008, 08:24:34 PM
While digging arround looking for a way to update to this version I found this (http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/DST_in_AHP) on the X10Wiki so that may be one other difference if infact that is the case! ::) :'
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Tuicemen on December 07, 2008, 09:39:55 PM
OK I finally found version 3.236!
Installed and I still get the Va11a message if it isn't installed (maybe having the plug-in registered causes this ??? ::) :'
For those wishing to Update here is the link: AHP_3.236 (http://software.x10.com/pub/applications/activehome/ahp_updt_236.exe)
Note: This is from X10 USA not the European version
My helpful post rating is 138 bet it doesn't improve much
A post rating increase should  ::) occur here :'  rofl
 >!
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: PajamaGuy on December 08, 2008, 07:28:19 AM
...so it was 140 when I posted this - how high can it go?  >!
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Tuicemen on December 08, 2008, 03:21:20 PM
Quote from: PajamaGuy on December 08, 2008, 07:28:19 AM
...so it was 140 when I posted this - how high can it go? >!
LOL looks like it can display six digits! I'll be long gone before that ever happens! ::) :'
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Walt2 on December 15, 2008, 05:15:26 PM
Quote from: Tuicemen on December 07, 2008, 09:39:55 PM
For those wishing to Update here is the link: AHP_3.236 (http://software.x10.com/pub/applications/activehome/ahp_updt_236.exe)
Note: This is from X10 USA not the European version

So this is indeed an update for the USA version of 3.228, and actually fixes some bugs in 3.228 (like the erroneous December DST adjustment) ? ? ? ?

I was beginning to think that 3.236 was simply the version number for the EUR version, and functionally equivalent to the USA 3.228.  It was just that the EUR version happen to be released after the USA 3.228 so it got a slightly higher number.  ???

Signed, Confused in Space. 
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: PajamaGuy on December 15, 2008, 05:25:50 PM
... but beware, with 3.236 and On-Alert, the KR10A's report "Armed-Home" to AHP when the DisArm button is pressed.  X10 Support has duplicated, and is working on the issue.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: billf8004 on December 19, 2008, 05:26:27 PM
Just installed the AHP update.  VA12A seems to work perfectly now. (Which is great, since vanguard keeps crashing)

I installed the x10 driver update first, then the ahp update.  Previously had blue and white ghost images for video.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Walt2 on December 23, 2008, 07:36:54 AM
Quote from: Puck on October 02, 2008, 06:24:26 PM

If you were a previous AHP user (Version 3.228 on down) please use this thread to post any differences that you see with 3.236.


Wow, I am having a LOT OF REALLY ODD PROBLEMS now that I "upgraded" to v 3.236 !!!

For example, I have a very simple Timer Event that turns an outside light on at dusk, and turns it off at 11:00PM.  I have been using that Timer Event for many, many years without a problem.  However, upon "upgrading" to 3.236, the outside light turns off at around 8:00PM.  And it isn't a superfluous X10 signal doing it either, because if then manually turn the light back on, it does not later turn off at 11:00PM.    It is like 3.236 has lost all reference to real time.   :o

Another example, I have another Timer Event that turns an inside light on at 5:45AM each morning.  After "upgrading" to v 3.236, that light turns on, but the chime module that rings when there is motion detected outside, now rings at 5:45AM too.

Again, I am talking about simple Timer Events, not complicated conditional macros with flags or something.

Some really weird stuff is happening with v 3.236 !!!!

How can I get back to v3.228 ? ? ?  ???
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on December 23, 2008, 05:48:57 PM
Oddly, the only problem I had with 3.236 was a somehow corrupted Christmas file.  Some, but not all timers failed to turn off outside decorations off at 12:30 AM.  I happened to discover it when I looked outside at 6:15 AM the next morning and all the outside decorations were still on.   

I cleared the interface, shut AHP down, deleted the offending file, reopened AHP and created a totally new file with all the modules and timers, saved it with the same file name as the old one and uploaded it to the CM15A. 

ALL timers work properly now, on and off times are correct. 
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Tuicemen on December 23, 2008, 05:53:12 PM
Walt2   
You can get back to 3.228 by installing 3.204 then let it auto update. It won't see 3.236 At least mine didn't on testing!
>!
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on December 23, 2008, 08:15:10 PM
Since there is a consensus that 3.236 is another buggy release like several older buggy ones in the AHP Software History, I backdated to 3.204 and upgraded to 3.228 from it.  Better safe than sorry.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Walt2 on December 28, 2008, 04:54:44 PM
Quote from: Dan Lawrence on December 23, 2008, 08:15:10 PM
Since there is a consensus that 3.236 is another buggy release like several older buggy ones in the AHP Software History, I backdated to 3.204 and upgraded to 3.228 from it.  Better safe than sorry.

Me too.   I went back to ver 3.228, and all my new problems disappeared!   >!

I don't think my .ahx file was bad because that file didn't change when I went from 3.228 to 3.236 (I never did a re-save).  Plus, I would hope that such a minor version change (going by their numbers), would maintain full .ahx file compatibility.

Though, let me ask, those of you who aren't having a problem with 3.236, are you running with your PC constantly connected to the CM15A?  The reason I am asking, is that when I was attempting to debug my 3.236 problems, I left my PC running with the Activity Monitor open with the hopes to catch an erroneous X10 command.  During those 24 hours, I didn't have a problem.  However, when I disconnected my PC, the problem resurfaced over the next 24 hours.  Now, I am not sure if that was just a conscience or not, and I was just too fed up with 3.236 to want to debug it any further.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: BaBaLou. on December 28, 2008, 06:58:51 PM
Hi Walt2,
I guess I am one of those NOT having a problem with 3.236. YES the CM15A is connected 24/7 to the computer running XP. I have tried running the system so far with AHP running and not and so far no problems for me. I did not and wont be trying to  disconnect the CM15A from the computer and seeing what happens. I do have have it set up with Jeff's wonderful XTB-IIR and a V5782R32 transceiver. The system is running flawlessly and I can only say that 3.236 is working for me.

Though I do have 3.228 running on my system at the business and dare not yet upgrade to the 3.236 yet. I am still experimenting with VA12A on that system compared to the
home system.

It seems the point you make about having the CM15A connected or not may hold some ground. Those having the same problem may help to answer that one.

UPDATE: I will try it with computer off for a day a remove any video or email macros and then will see. I guess when I closed AHP on the computer It would almost be the same scenario since the system still worked correctly for me but that was only for a short time. will try for a day or so and get back to you.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: stevex10 on January 02, 2009, 06:54:02 PM
I have version 3.228 and the only reason why I updated to that was because the whole daylight savings issue. I now seem to see that my timers tend to go away after about 4 or 5 days. Not sure exactly how many days it takes but this xmas I have 3 differnt timers for lights around the house. I have to re-download to the CM15 and all is fine for a few days. I have my dawn/dusk resolution at 8 days~1.5%. I am now trying to see what "daily~13%" will do. So far only a day has passed and so far so good.

The day they all quit working. I can still use my remotes and all sensors seem to be fine.
I'm using XP and my computer is not connected all the time. All my timers reside in the interface.

Thanks and I hope there's a fix.

Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on January 02, 2009, 10:15:01 PM
What version did you upgrade from?  I have 3.228 (upgraded from 3.204) and ZERO problems.  This particular topic is for version 3.236, which I did have (downgraded to 3.204, than upgraded to 3.228) which appears to be a buggy release.

Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Walt2 on January 03, 2009, 09:20:19 AM
Quote from: stevex10 on January 02, 2009, 06:54:02 PM
I have version 3.228 and the only reason why I updated to that was because the whole daylight savings issue. I now seem to see that my timers tend to go away after about 4 or 5 days. Not sure exactly how many days it takes but this xmas I have 3 differnt timers for lights around the house. I have to re-download to the CM15 and all is fine for a few days. I have my dawn/dusk resolution at 8 days~1.5%. I am now trying to see what "daily~13%" will do. So far only a day has passed and so far so good.

The day they all quit working. I can still use my remotes and all sensors seem to be fine.
I'm using XP and my computer is not connected all the time. All my timers reside in the interface.

Thanks and I hope there's a fix.



Yep, timer problems with  3.236.  And the problems don't show up immediately.

Sounds very familiar!   :'
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on January 03, 2009, 05:34:36 PM
You copied stevex10's post, but mentioned 3.236, when he said he has 3.228.    He has yet to reply to my post's questions.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: USdangerboy on January 03, 2009, 07:47:46 PM
On the strange stuff, I must agree!!

I have a VERY simple setup with a macro on a 24hr EE sensor to raise the kitchen lights, only if after dusk, by 30%, wait 4 minutes (this is the sensor delay) then dim 30%.  It works off of a flag to know it's the one that did the dimming and the flag is cleared by a DuskSetupMacro. 

So at Dusk, a macro runs to clear the flag for all macros, and set the lights accordingly. 

When every sensor fires, they check the flag, if clear then fire, and set the flag.  When the delay is over, dim the lights and clear the sensor.  Simple and efficient, SO FAR!!!

Now, I get this strange issue where the lights now dim to zero and raise to 100 then dim to 0 then raise to 100 ... it's a "flashing" kind of thing ... anyone get this?!?

Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Walt2 on January 03, 2009, 08:02:17 PM
Quote from: Dan Lawrence on January 03, 2009, 05:34:36 PM
You copied stevex10's post, but mentioned 3.236, when he said he has 3.228.    He has yet to reply to my post's questions.

Possibly, I misread it.  Yes, he mentioned 3.228, but also added that he updated.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: USdangerboy on January 03, 2009, 08:58:22 PM
How do you get the previous version?
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Walt2 on January 04, 2009, 08:45:55 AM
I restored the entire "C:\Program Files\ActiveHome Pro\" directly from a backup copy I have with 3.228.   Also, you might see if you have a Restore checkpoint from just before you updated to 3.236.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Tuicemen on January 04, 2009, 09:30:08 AM
Quote from: USdangerboy on January 03, 2009, 08:58:22 PM
How do you get the previous version?
As I mentioned before You have to revert to 3.204 (http://software.x10.com/pub/applications/activehome/ahp_updt_204.exe)
it will overwrite the 3.326 version.
Once that is done on start up it will detect there is an update to 3.228( it won't see 3.236) let it update  and your set! ;)
 >!
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: USdangerboy on January 04, 2009, 11:50:07 AM
My problem is, I started out with the latest version, on a new computer (lost prior software, so I only have the latest copy). 

I'm just trying to fix this flashing problem (NO, I'm not the flasher ... I'm the flashee!).  Seems my macros work fine for a while, then go haywire every now and then.

EE sensor is set to ON command macro -> Check flag 2, if clear, raise lights 30%, SET flag 2 ...
EE sensor is on 24 hr motion, so it keeps firing ON command during motion, but macro fails flag clear check, so is ignored.

EE sensor eventually stops detecting motion, does delay, 4 minutes, sends OFF command ...
EE sensor is set to OFF command macro -> If flag 2 SET, then dim lights 30%, CLEAR flag 2.

Now what started happening is the ON command is ignoring the flag state sometimes, to wit, the EE ON command raises lights 30%, then again, then again and THEN, it dims to 0%, then raises lights to 100% then back to 0% and so on.  It's a cool effect, but kind of confuses my guests :-)

I reloading the unit and all the basic stuff, so does this behavior sound like a VERSION problem soluble by downgrading?

Thanks in advance!!
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Tuicemen on January 04, 2009, 11:58:55 AM
Quote
I reloading the unit and all the basic stuff, so does this behavior sound like a VERSION problem soluble by downgrading?

What do you have to loose?  ???
Version 3.236 has caused some strange things to happen for many. This many be another bug! ??? :(
Back up your AHX file to a different folder (drive is better) do the dowload revert to prior version and test if it fails reload newest version!
 >!
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: USdangerboy on January 04, 2009, 12:04:48 PM
Not much I suppose.

Perhaps it is possible to determine FLAG STATUS programmatically via SDK?  Any ideas there?

I'm very close to using my own app anyway, still working on SQL logic, should be just a few more years, LOL. 

In the interim, I'll ask the lazy mans question, where is the download list for previous versions :-)  Will the 3.204 link you posted earlier work, it says its an upgrade?

THX T-men!
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Tuicemen on January 04, 2009, 12:14:51 PM
The SDK will not see AHP flags but you can create your own in the SDK. You'll still need a good version of AHP if you plan on loading any AHP macros/timers onto the CM15A
I suppied the link to previous versions in previous posts!  >*< yes it works as a down grade too!
If you want even earlier versions the links are available doing an Advanced Search!  >*<
Dig a little deeper and I'm sure you'll find another method!  ;)
 >!
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on January 04, 2009, 06:46:01 PM
Quote from: USdangerboy on January 04, 2009, 12:04:48 PM
Not much I suppose.

Perhaps it is possible to determine FLAG STATUS programmatically via SDK?  Any ideas there?

I'm very close to using my own app anyway, still working on SQL logic, should be just a few more years, LOL. 

In the interim, I'll ask the lazy mans question, where is the download list for previous versions :-)  Will the 3.204 link you posted earlier work, it says its an upgrade?

THX T-men!

That file repository ( http://software.x10.com/pub/applications/activehome/) contains various versions of AHP.  3.204 there is the installer for that version of AHP. I got it when I had upgraded to 3.236 and found it was buggy (at least for me), so I got 3.204, installed it over 3.236, then upgraded to 3.228  though the upgrade link in AHP.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: USdangerboy on January 04, 2009, 11:32:49 PM
Thanks T-Men/Dan, actually, strangely enough, after I installed the iWatchOut software, the problem went away, well, for the last day. 

Go figure.  But if it comes back, I'll follow your lead on the downgrade!

This forum is excellent!!
Title: CAUTION - Entering the No Spin Zone!
Post by: PajamaGuy on January 05, 2009, 04:32:33 PM
Well I finally did something right!  ...and at the right time! :)%

Before running the link to downgrade to 3.204, I saved a backup of my AHX file.  I ran the downgrade (downdate?) and then let it run it's update to 3.228, and restarted.

My security modules were corrupted and not installed.  All of them.

I opened the backup, with baited breath, and there they were!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Backup paid off! ;)

Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: x10dude on March 02, 2009, 10:35:47 PM
Alright, I've been using 3.236 for the last month or so (when I first got into X10) and had been having LOTS of problems (macros not working, AHP faulting and closing after a day or two, timers going wacky, etc., etc.)

After reading all feedback on this and other posts, I moved to 3.204, which subsequently updated my system to 3.228.

Now, all of my security modules have disappeared from AHP (except for my DS7000 and powerhorns). Does this mean that I need to re-install everything?

I know it's been asked again and again, but does ANYONE know what the differences are between .236 and .228? Because I bought everything at the same time (last month), I don't know whether .228 supports all my components which, as I already noticed, X10 updates periodically w/out changing part numbers or anything that identifies the updates.

Thanks,

Frank
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: steven r on March 02, 2009, 10:46:51 PM
Quote from: x10dude on March 02, 2009, 10:35:47 PM
...does ANYONE know what the differences are between .236 and .228? ...
3.228 works more reliably as 3.236 has some known bugs. However, to get the best video with the VA12A I believe you need version 3.236.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Puck on March 02, 2009, 10:59:34 PM
Quote from: x10dude on March 02, 2009, 10:35:47 PM
Now, all of my security modules have disappeared from AHP (except for my DS7000 and powerhorns). Does this mean that I need to re-install everything?

If you are referring to door/window sensors (DS10A) and/or security motion detectors (MS10A), version 3.204 does not support those. What you probably need to do at that point is reinstall your OnAlert plug-in to bring your version to 3.206, then upgrade to 3.228. If you have your original backup copy of the *.AHX file, your security sensors should then appear.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: x10dude on March 03, 2009, 12:51:39 PM
Thanks Puck, Steven

Fortunately, I did keep a copy of my *.AHX file. I put it back on the installation folder and now, I do see my door/window sensors again.

As for the video, it's true, now ALL of my cameras (XX16A) simply flash a white screen. I've reinstalled them to no avail. BTW, I use the VR38A receiver and the VA12A video module.

This really sucks. It seems that if I wanted support for my newer hardware, I have to have 3.236. However, with all the bugs, I can't reliably run my system 24/7. As I mentioned, AHP gives a GPF (general protection fault for those non-windows programming folks) after a day or two. Then, all my stuff is out of wack and need to reboot windows and reprogram a few things from scratch.

If I wanted reliability, I'd have to go to older versions, but give up my newer hardware - what gives?

Any other ideas? One of the reasons I got everything I did is to be able to use all my hardware.

Thanks all..
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: steven r on March 03, 2009, 02:04:10 PM
Quote from: x10dude on March 03, 2009, 12:51:39 PM
...If I wanted reliability, I'd have to go to older versions, but give my newer hardware - what gives?...
Sadly I believe we'll have to hold our breath and pray X10 releases an update that fixes things soon.

My guess is that the update to support the VA12A was from an earlier version of AHP than version 3.228 as I can't imagine how adding driver improvements for the VA12A could of added as many bugs as version 3.236 has. i.e. How could changing a a video driver interface effect unrelated pluggins and timers?
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Puck on March 03, 2009, 02:07:55 PM
Quote from: x10dude on March 03, 2009, 12:51:39 PM
This really sucks. It seems that if I wanted support for my newer hardware, I have to have 3.236. However, with all the bugs, I can't reliably run my system 24/7.

Another example of how hard it is to help and support other users. X10 has really made a mess of the AHP software vs hardware integration. If they would at least test any changes they make and then provide information to the users & potential buyers of what versions work and don't work with each other, it wouldn't be so bad. Hopefully someday they will do the right thing and fix this mess.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: steven r on March 03, 2009, 02:55:12 PM
Quote from: Puck on March 03, 2009, 02:07:55 PM
...If they would at least test any changes they make...
Yes it is sad at times. While beta testing should never be a substitute for good alpha testing, I'm sure there are many of us that would be willing to test out things. Most likely for free and almost definitely in exchange for free swag. It really is hard to see how so many bugs could just appear with an update.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: x10dude on March 03, 2009, 03:24:12 PM
Based on everything that I've been able to debug, it appears that the video driver is actually the GPF culprit, which means no cameras for me! ???

I admit that I'm guilty for not testing on time though. I took my time designing my architecture that I didn't get a chance to test everything before my 30-day trial period - darn!

On the other hand, I guess if I had to choose between having those crappy cameras work and getting a text message from AHP when someone breaks into my house, I'd choose the latter - not that I have choice.

I agree that beta testing would really help, but is there anyone at X10 that actually listens to their customers? It seems they only hire salespeople, who will do just about anything ("buy 1, get 10 things free", "porn sells", etc.) to get the merchandise out the door, but nobody that really knows much about programming and the like works there.

Regards,

Frank
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: HA Dave on March 03, 2009, 09:00:21 PM
Quote from: Puck on March 03, 2009, 02:07:55 PM
Another example of how hard it is to help and support other users. X10 has really made a mess of the AHP software vs hardware integration. If they would at least test any changes they make and then provide information to the users & potential buyers of what versions work and don't work with each other, it wouldn't be so bad. Hopefully someday they will do the right thing and fix this mess.


Quote from: steven r on March 03, 2009, 02:55:12 PM
Yes it is sad at times. While beta testing should never be a substitute for good alpha testing, I'm sure there are many of us that would be willing to test out things. Most likely for free and almost definitely in exchange for free swag. It really is hard to see how so many bugs could just appear with an update.

Ok... Ive been running a very early version of AHP 3.203... because it was relieable. Although it doesn't allow me to use OnAlert. I very recently purchased the VA12A to put my cameras on-line. I had thought I could load the latest AHP version... then load a slighly older version on-top of it... and in that way keep the drivers. After reading this... I think I may have been too smart by half. Crap.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: orca on March 08, 2009, 09:12:57 PM
Hello From Chicago;

Which Leviton devices are you using?

Thanks for your help.

Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: TheMark38 on March 31, 2009, 01:56:35 PM
They should do like what they just did with the new LCD Icon Remote ( now with X10 control!!! ), and that's pull a group of field Beta testers together ( I was one of the ones testing with the new Icon ) with different AHP set-ups at home and let us help!!!!! And Holy Cow there are some folks on here I KNOW would be a huge help to any X10 developers getting it up to speed. Seems nobody is pulling ahead right now in the Home Automation race (the other big players are lagging here in my opinion partly due to parts prices being far too high).  X10 could really get a NICE return on the investment here, when they once again take the lead!
 
Really X10 and AHP are SO close to nailing it, but with things like a weak link to the house itself (CM15A) and “buggy” software it’s obvious there is some fine tuning to do here.... and all the expert help they would need is right here in this very forum ( I am NOT including myself here, but these other X10 pro users  :)% ). 
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: SteveRF on April 16, 2009, 08:41:45 PM
Interesting Post....New AHP Version 3.236, however, after reading through umteen dozen posts I assume that ver 3.228 is the latest version being promoted by X10 for those of us having AHP, Smart Macros and Maybe iWatchout...

I thought I'd stay away for a while... Last time in X10 sites was May 2008 when I uploaded this "New" version...
Now I see not much has changed, still the same issues... mostly reliability and when I fired up the update check, I had the latest version...  In a year, nothing new ??  WOW...

The ONE thing that does come to mind is the NON Professional WWW.X10.COM front page.
I love seeing all the girls, some with their breasts very nicely exposed and lots of nice poses... WOW
BUT... Come on folks... X10 has become NOT VERY PROFESSIONAL in that regard. 

The page looks more like a prelude to a porn site...  very unprofessional for a home automation and home security site...hummm..

I was pretty well satisfied a few years ago when I installed my X10 system, things seem to run fairly well but over a period of time I realized that the system was just too suceptible to interference.  Making the system as a whole, somewhat unreliable and definitely undependable.  I was hoping they may have addressed the issue of multiple signals arriving at nearly the same time by now... but I guess not.  and I was hoping for a more reliable system dealing with interference but...not yet...  and I am not one to put filters on everything that , TODAY, appears to be causing a problem... the filters shoud have been built into each of the transmitters and receivers...not for me to "buy" 1, 2,..3  who knows how many would be required now and in the future.... It woud never stop and it is "always" a noisy device causing the trouble and not the x10 system...smile...

SO..bottom line is I'll keep tinkering with it... since it has now been reduced to a Non-Integrated part of my home security and home automation...  Reliability is paramount...for a good, professional home automation system..

I still love playing with it...smile

SteveRF
Perdido Beach, Alabama
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: rhea44 on November 06, 2009, 07:46:41 PM
I have 3.236 ... I cannot make it make my lights go on and off at the scheduled time.. I make timers, the timer clock turns green  etc... all looks OK , The programmed time is here & nothin' happens. Use 2-Way Computer Interface CM15A  connected with USB to my PC , for transceivers I use RR501.. my lamps are with lamp modules +Socket Rockets LM15A... 4 are Rockets set on House Code A7 and the rest are on Lamp Modules  same code A7..... As there are some others on  A7(Rockets).
 I can switch on or  off or dimm through my PC (manually),
 Tried to build a simple timer, and also using macro... but to no result.
 Any ideas?
 Thanx,
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on November 06, 2009, 08:45:57 PM
3.236 is JUNK!!!   This has been posted here DOZENS OF TIMES already, but here we go again:  Go to http://software.x10.com/pub/applications/activehome/ and look for ahp_updt_204.exe.  Save that and install it.  It will replace 3.236 and not disturb your .ahx files or any plug-ins you might have.  When the install is complete, open AHP and use the update link in it to update to 3.228.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: BaBaLou. on November 06, 2009, 08:50:33 PM
Hang in there Dan, For your sake we all hope soon. Either we get a new version that works or your going to keep coping and paste the same old message.
Thanks for the help for that.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: rhea44 on November 06, 2009, 10:45:11 PM
Thanx for advice.... but even this is of no help... I really cannot understand, though, there is some understanding, that placement of those RR501s in different places of electrical wiring may produce different results... but so far I could not get any decent results.. the only thing that make sall my lights go on is Palm HR12A and MT10A..... at the set time on and off.. but no results with the AHP.........
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on November 06, 2009, 10:47:49 PM
The basic problem is X10 has had a dearth of good programmers for nearly two years. The last good trouble free version was (and is) 3.228 (5-9-2008), which is not even listed on the Index of /pub/applications/activehome site.  The sales unit keeps sending out 3.236 to new purchasers, who then post here the constant complaint that timers and macros won't work.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: rhea44 on November 07, 2009, 12:11:35 AM
Iinstalled3.228 .... but with no results... before installing I cleaned out the junk box, replaced batteries  etc,,, but  , no progress...
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on November 07, 2009, 07:38:18 AM
NOW you need to search your house for noise producers.  Computers, some televisions, cell phone chargers, etc are known noise producers that block X10 signals.   Try unplugging any thing that may be suspect, if the X10 signals work as they are supposed to, you need a noise filter on that.

Despite X10's ads, it not "plug-n-play.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: mike on November 12, 2009, 08:20:37 PM
anyone have a way to make vangaurd software work again after going back from 326 to 228 on ahp?  I called x10 but all their dummies can say is "vangaurd 326 is only version available - no older versions available."

Well, after downgrading to 228 now vangaurd won't even open.  reinstalled, uninstalled, reinstalled to no vail.  help!
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: HA Dave on November 12, 2009, 08:46:45 PM
Quote from: mike on November 12, 2009, 08:20:37 PM
anyone have a way to make vangaurd software work again after going back from 326 to 228 on ahp?  I called x10.... say is "vangaurd 326 is only version available - no older versions available."

Well, after downgrading to 228 now vangaurd won't even open.  reinstalled, uninstalled, reinstalled to no vail.  help!

It was/is my understanding that Vanguard and AHP aren't compatible. The AHP software uses iwatchout (or are they calling it iwitness now?) for video camera automation. Vanguard... I thought.. is used with the CM19A (RF only) controller.

This thread is located in the AHP area on the forum... and the versions (326 & 228) you mention are AHP. Are you trying to run the Vanguard with AHP/CM15A interface? I can't swear that doesn't work... just trying to get the info correct.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: mike on November 14, 2009, 08:49:28 AM
tnx for reply.  You are correct that iwitness & vanguard are mutually exclusive;  you gotta use one or the other but not both as they will not share the va12 etc drivers.  SO, when I finally bought vanguard a year ago to try to overcome the crashing of AHP when video record in iwitness, I quickly found I had to uninstall AHP and reinstall without iwitness plug in.  Then vanguard took over the va12 and it worked on this win7 64bit system - until I went back to 228 on AHP recently to get some more bugs fixed in 326.  After I did that, vanguard no longer worked and it wont even reinstall now.

vanguard came as file 'vanguard_326'  tells me it is using same drivers as 326 - too bad there is no one left at X10 who knows what the hell they sell, ship, or how it works!  Anyway, when it 'installs' it goes thru, says it installs all drivers like it used to, and says finished properly.  But it wont run.  Looking in program folder I see the old vanguard directory but it is empty except for 2 advertising url sites.  Tried reinstalling into different directory, same thing there.  So no exe to run.

In addition, it sorta breaks AHP:  When starting AHP now, it takes forever to load - probably due to messed up mix-match of drivers reloaded by ver 326 vanguard. 

Only thing I see to do next is go into windows registry and start deleting all references to vanguard and try again.

Seems like I should not be the only one who tries to use vanguard and AHP together AND has finally gone back from ver 3.326 to 3.228. 

Am I perhaps posting in the wrong area?
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: HA Dave on November 14, 2009, 11:16:47 AM
Quote from: mike on November 14, 2009, 08:49:28 AM
....Then vanguard took over the va12 and it worked on this win7 64bit system - until I went back to 228 on AHP recently to get some more bugs fixed in 326.  After I did that, vanguard no longer worked and it wont even reinstall now.
Went you say "went back" to 228... that may be the key. I was able to install 3.326 then following Dan's directions (he's posted them here a few places) uninstalled 3.326 and reintalled 3.228. The standard uninstall left the drivers hanging about. Then I could use 228 but exploit the 326 drivers.

But I will admit.. I gave up myself... and now the AHP software (with Vanguard removed).
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: mike on November 22, 2009, 10:46:05 AM
thanks. 

Now that I have given up on vanguard and gone back and reinstalled iwitness in AHP, I am still trying to get the va12 driver to hang in there - it shows a pix for 100msec then goes blank for 700msec, then repeats.  When I clicked on 'uninstall' finally on ahp to try to start fresh, it clicked out of the uninstall menu and is gone but it did nothing to uninstall.  I next tried deleting all files from ahp and common_files dir and reinstalling.  still flashing video pix from cameras.  Oh ya, vanguard uninstall did same thing and didn't uninstall so I had deleted the vangaud dir.  still no go.  so getting more radical I deleted all references to vanguard in windows registry (win7 64bit beta).  still same.  I have now made a restore point for safety and am going thru the tedious process of finding and deleting all references to x10 in registry!  If you have ever done this you know there are like 300 to delete!  will then del ahp & common directories and have a go at reinstalling ahp 204 and iwitness and see if that gets it....  any other ideas are welcome!   
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: stoney on December 04, 2009, 08:01:13 PM
OK...is there a time frame when we users / consumers of X-10 products can expect a NEW, WORKING, Non-Problematic version of AHP?

Is seems that this debacle has gone on quite long enough. Someone has GOT to do something about this poor program. Work arounds and patches are nothing more than excuses for poorly written and poorly tested software.

If you're going to sell a product then you've got to promote it in a professional manner and support it in a likewise fashion.

Scantily clad women might appeal to the younger members but it hardly indicates a polished, professional product.

Here's hoping that 2010 will bring us better things...in many ways! ;)
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on December 04, 2009, 08:12:52 PM
Do not hold your breath.   The last GOOD version is 3.228 and that was issued May 9, 2008.   X10 USA has lost a lot of programmers since 2008.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: eagle on December 06, 2009, 08:29:19 PM
Okie dokie.

New to the forum after lurking for a couple of days.

I was planning a suite of equipment with the AHP as the nerve center.  But after reading reading this thread, that probably isn't the best course of action right now.  That disappoints me since I was really looking forward to getting it based on a lot of the posts I've seen (not necessarily about AHP bugs though) of its power and flexibility.  Not using the AHP would also mean not being able to integrate BVC.  That's too bad since AHP with BVC is one of the primary reasons I'm going with the X10. 

I guess if I do take the plunge, I'd have to all the macros manually, i.e., no computer.  :(

r,
eagle

Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on December 06, 2009, 09:06:29 PM
I'd get AHP.  X10USA will send you 3.236, but you can get 3.204 from http://software.x10.com/pub/applications/activehome/ .  Look for ahp_updt_204.exe and save it.  Install that, not what X10 sends you.  Once it is installed, use the update link in AHP to update it to version 3.228, which is a stable version not in the X10 Software Repository.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: eagle on December 06, 2009, 11:30:29 PM
Thanks Dan.

When I was doing a search and reading posts here, I didn't come across the link you provided for 3.024.  I only came across one for AH and not AHP.

I downloaded 3.024.  It does have a link to 3.228 under Update program.  I was afraid the program would simply point to whatever the latest version is online.

So, it looks like this approach will work.

I guess I need to read up on whatever .236 is supposed to have fixed or provide additional/new features.

Thanks,
eagle
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on December 07, 2009, 07:05:52 PM
3.236 is one of two known buggy versions of AHP.  I tried it back a Year and a half ago, right at the Christmas season.  When I noticed that timers would not operate  (outside decorations would either not turn on or turn off as scheduled.  I promptly did the 3:204/3.228 thing and no more timer problems
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: eagle on December 25, 2009, 09:53:15 PM
Hi guys.

Happy Holidays to everyone. 

Just a quick note.

As you know, I had installed AHP V3.228 (via V3.204) on a testbed pc just to verify it works ... and it does.  I wanted to test it out just in case I get an inoperative CM15A and needed to return it for an exchange within the 30 day period.

Well, I finally got a chance to install AHP on the target pc that will be the HA machine.  I installed .204 then to .228.  I, however, couldn't get the CM15A interface to load so I went ahead and loaded .236 with the intention to retrograde to .228 once the CM15A interface is recognized by the pc. 

After loading .236, I launched it and the pc recognized the CM15A right away.  I didn't need to search for the driver like it was doing with .228 repeatedly and failing.

Just for kicks, I tested an appliance module and it worked fine.

That was simple enough, so I figured I'd try to see if the timer will work even though I had gathered that timers don't work with .236.  Well, I must be doing something "wrong" because the timer works fine.  The timer works with both the CM15A tied to the pc and also with it running independent of the pc.

Perhaps I've misunderstood the timer issue with .236.  Was this supposed to work or was there something else I "needed" to do to show that the timer doesn't work with .236?

Just wondering.  BTW, I haven't installed any of the plug-ins just yet.

Thanks,
eagle
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on December 25, 2009, 10:57:41 PM
All I can say is Good Luck!!!   If all your timers/macros work as they should, that will be great.  If they don't, you already know what to do.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: kcantrel on January 08, 2010, 04:32:20 PM
I too have been having the problem that I couldn't get the the ON timers to work.  The OFF timers would work just fine, as well as any manual clicks (i.e. proving it wasn't a transmission problem).  I followed the instructions to "upgrade" to 3.228, and that seemed to worked just fine.  And, actually, I like that this version doesn't throw the stupid "Featured Plugin" in your face every time you bring it up.  However, when I try and bring up the "Hardware Configuration"  (so I can set the timezone) AHP crashes.  I can provide the crash dump if anyone is interested.  I think that is probably the only thing I need to set in that window so is there another way to set the timezone?  (i.e. is there an .ini file or registry entry I can edit?)

Note that when it was having the problem, it would turn on A1 and A16 via a timer, just not any others.  The monitor would say it was executing the macro, but nothing would happen.  I also tried the "on for 100%" and that didn't help either.

Also note that I had the exact same problem with can CM11A, which was the whole reason to buy an CM15A!  This is getting beyond frustrating.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on January 08, 2010, 05:20:31 PM
Anyone who has AHP crashing when Hardware Configuration is opened has some other software conflicting with AHP.  I've never had a problem with AHP crashing when Hardware Configuration is opened since I got AHP in 2005.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: kcantrel on January 08, 2010, 06:07:52 PM
Okay, this just keeps getting weirder.  I have a lamp module LM465 and a 3-Way wall switch PLW03.  The lamp module has always been A1 and has always responded to the on and off timers.  I decided to set the wall switch to A1 as well for a test.  If I do a manual on and off, they both do the appropriate thing every time.  I did it 10 times to make sure.  Then, I set a timer 5 minutes in advance, and only the LM465 turned on!  Is the PLW03 not 100% compatible with this software?  Note that I did the same test when I had the CM11A and it did the same thing.  What could possibly cause this?

Note that I reinstalled 3.204 and my "Hardware Configuration" crash problem went away.  Odd that it show up under "Add/Remove programs" so I couldn't just uninstall it first.  Now, I guess I should upgrade again to 3.228.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Brian H on January 08, 2010, 06:51:51 PM
Do either of the LM465 or PLW03 modules have soft start? Where the lights ramp up and down when turned on and off.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: kcantrel on January 08, 2010, 09:57:12 PM
Quote from: Brian H on January 08, 2010, 06:51:51 PM
Do either of the LM465 or PLW03 modules have soft start? Where the lights ramp up and down when turned on and off.
Yes, they both do.  Note that I just replaced the PLW03 with an WS4777 and it also seems to not "see" the timer on, but of course have no problem with the manual on and offs.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Brian H on January 09, 2010, 06:28:03 AM
Knightriders information may help you.

http://forums.x10.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=tc65gvbgfa5o2ieqc8mc7njrm2&topic=19505.0
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Mel99 on January 09, 2010, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: Dan Lawrence on November 06, 2009, 08:45:57 PM
3.236 is JUNK!!!   This has been posted here DOZENS OF TIMES already, but here we go again:  Go to http://software.x10.com/pub/applications/activehome/ and look for ahp_updt_204.exe.  Save that and install it.  It will replace 3.236 and not disturb your .ahx files or any plug-ins you might have.  When the install is complete, open AHP and use the update link in it to update to 3.228.

Ok, I get it that 3.236 is not the optimal version.  I just upgraded from a CM11a to AHP and a CM15a.  Some posters have advised going to 3.236 to get the drivers and then go get 3.228 from 3.204.  Is this recommended, or can I go straight from 3.204 to 3.228, skipping the 3.236 step?  BTW, don't have any .ahx files or any plug-ins yet.

Thanks
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on January 09, 2010, 11:52:22 AM
Go to http://software.x10.com/pub/applications/activehome/ and look for  ahp_updt_204.exe.  Save that and install it.  Once it is installed, use the update link in AHP to upgrade to 3.228.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Mel99 on January 09, 2010, 12:03:49 PM
Thanks, did that.  I just wanted to confirm that I didn't have to go through 3.236 on my way to 3.228,
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on January 09, 2010, 01:35:40 PM
You didn't. but X10 has been sending out 3.236 with new orders of AHP. Apparently the suits at X10 don't read their forums, or they would not be sending out a known buggy version to new purchasers of AHP
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: kcantrel on January 09, 2010, 01:40:20 PM
Yeah, I think it is telling that if you install 3.204 that the only upgrade is to 3.228.

One problem I am noticing with the software.  If I leave it running, it somehow disables all screen savers or power management that would otherwise blank the screen.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Dan Lawrence on January 10, 2010, 10:16:32 AM
Quote from: kcantrel on January 09, 2010, 01:40:20 PM
Yeah, I think it is telling that if you install 3.204 that the only upgrade is to 3.228.

One problem I am noticing with the software.  If I leave it running, it somehow disables all screen savers or power management that would otherwise blank the screen.

Yup.  AHP has always been like that, even if you minimize it!!!   I've been an X10 user since the late 80's and screen savers ran fine with the early DOS and Windows software, Active Home didn't either. I notice the screen saver wouldn't run as soon as I got AHP.
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: eagle on January 11, 2010, 02:13:21 PM
I had that problem with the screensaver being disabled but was able to reactivate it by setting the feature in Screensaver requiring user to log in.

Hope that helps.

r,
eagle
Title: Re: New AHP Version 3.236
Post by: Mel99 on January 13, 2010, 01:30:21 PM
Quote from: Mel99 on January 09, 2010, 12:03:49 PM
Thanks, did that.  I just wanted to confirm that I didn't have to go through 3.236 on my way to 3.228,

The instructions X10 sent along with AHP and the CM15A said to install the software and not hook up the CM15a until prompted to.  So, after loading 3.204 and upgrading to 3.228, I did not get the hook-up prompt.  I had other things to do and finally got back to it last night.  AHP seemed to open ok, but still no hook-up prompt.  So I decided to just do it.  I followed the directions in the User's guide: hooked up the USB cable, plugged the CM15a in and then installed the batteries.  My PC then reported that it saw a new USB device and did I have the drivers for it?.  I browsed a bunch and found nothing that looked relevant or worked.

By this time, I thought that my CM15a had 'locked up' and I had to reset it.  I followed the instructions for that as posted in these forums, but that did not help so I turned around 3 times, thumped my chest, and howled at the moon.  That didn't help either.

I uninstalled AHP and disconnected the CM15a.  Then I loaded AHP 3.236 from the zip file X10 sent in the registration codes email.  As I was installing 3.236, I received a notice that if I wanted to download the CM15a drivers 'click this button'.

Button clicked.  Drivers downloaded.  AHP 3.236 install successful.  Lamp module test successful. Downgraded to 3.204.  Upgraded to 3.228.  Lamp module test successful.  Looks like I'm in business.  ...for some real fun.