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📸Cameras & Camera Software => Legacy non Wi-Fi X10 Cameras => Camera General Discussion => Wireless Cameras(non IP) => Topic started by: gmanm1 on March 27, 2009, 12:17:39 PM
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I have the four camera setup . 2 color 2 black and white. I have only setup 2 cameras. I have very good reception on both. It will not stay on camera a 1 . Always goes to the other by its self. I have changed power supplies tried different house codes , no luck. When I use the remote the camera on a 2 is on 2 3 & 4. Camera on a 1 is only on 1 on the remote. This is driving me nuts. Anyone experienced this and have a solution please let me know.
gmanm1 B:(
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Are you using any motion sensors and/or software to control the cameras?
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I have one motion detector programmed for the a 1 camera. I have never gotten past this point because of trying to solve this problem. The motion detector will trigger the a 1 camera and vcr recording , but after a few minutes it switches to the camera on a 2. It does this every time and after the same amount of time.
gmanm1
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All X10 motion sensors have a dusk/dawn signal. If the motion sensor is set to address A1, the dusk/dawn signal will send out On/OFF signals on address A2. Depending on the lighting conditions around your sensor, this will cause such a problem. Only the MS16A motion sensor can turn this feature off (other models need a physical mod).
If this is not the case here, have you tried changing the OFF delay of the motion sensor to see if that is causing the problem? The OFF signal however should only turn the camera A1 off; it should not be turning camera A2 on.
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I have the ms14a. According to the directions all time sensing is the default. I don't see that it could be the delay. I guess I will check it again to see if the dusk/dawn feature is active. Doesn't it seem strange that the a 1 camera only shows up on the first camera position on the remote , but the a 2 camera shows on the remaining three remote buttons. Could this be a bad transceiver?
gmanm1
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I have the ms14a. According to the directions all time sensing is the default.
Don't get this confused with the dusk/dawn signal. The MS14A cannot turn the +1 signal off.
I don't see that it could be the delay.
It shouldn't be, but you stated that the switching occurs after the same elapse of time every time; so this would be my first suspect. See if changing the delay causes a change in the elapsed time for the switching.
Doesn't it seem strange that the a 1 camera only shows up on the first camera position on the remote , but the a 2 camera shows on the remaining three remote buttons.
I don't use a camera remote, so I cannot answer that question. But now I have to ask since you only mentioned the cameras being controlled by the motion sensor... are you using the remote when this problem happens?
Could this be a bad transceiver?
Not likely since the cameras are turning on & off.
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It doesn't matter if I use the remote to select a 1 or the motion detector trips it it switches to camera a 2 after a certain amount of minutes. Since we have been talking about this I took down the motion sensor and put up a different one. The camera has not switched since.
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This is about a joke. It is doing the same thing again. Changed delay waits a little longer. What is a person supposed to do, just record at night when the camera can't see anything? Is there a motion detector that works differently than these that would solve the problem?
gmanm1
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what software are you using? or are you just viewing on the tv? If your using AHP then set your motion sensors to a different house code than your cameras.
then setup macros for recording. example: motion sensor for cam 1 is m1, motion sensor for cam 2 is m3 (the reason to skip numbers is as Puck said, it fires unit code +1. sooo m1 will fire m1, m2)
cameras set to cam 1 is c1, cam 2 is c2, cam 3 is c3, cam 4 is c4 and so on.
then setup a macro with the trigger m1, select camera c1, record video, delay 1 min (or however long you want the recording to be), stop recording.
there are tons of information in these forums for cameras, motion sensors, recording. Do a search and find a wealth of information. hope this helps! ;)
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gmanm1 didn't mention anything about using software control when first asked at the start.
However, for this to happen it makes one believe that somewhere software is involved:
It doesn't matter if I use the remote to select a 1 or the motion detector trips it it switches to camera a 2 after a certain amount of minutes.
But doesn't the camera remote have a built in scanning feature? But for both the remote & the MS14A to wait the same delay and then switch cameras, I can only think of software being able to cause this.
But this points us right back to the off delay time of the MS14A that is somehow turning camera A2 on:
It is doing the same thing again. Changed delay waits a little longer.
Unless of course there is an A1 OFF macro running somewhere. ???
Also, if this is occuring now (daytime) then it is not likely the Dusk/Dawn +1 signal is the problem here.
Do you happen to have another motion sensor sitting around that you may be tripping that could be causing the switching?
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All four cameras in the same group? 1-4;5-8;9-12 or 13-16?
When one in a group is turned on the other three go off. So if you only have 2 installed now. Lets say Units 1-4. Turn on unit one; units two; three and four go off. If you turn two on; one; three and four go off. If you try units three or four; with only unit one and unit two installed. Both would go off.
What are you using to transceive the RF from the Remote and Motion sensor? TM751; RR501; CM15A?
Any phase coupler or X10 Repeater Coupler in the mix?
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Sorry I was gone for a while. I am not using any software. I change from one camera to the other with the remote. It is the ninja compatible remote. The TM751 is triggered I guess by I don't know the remote or the motion sensor. If I take the motion sensor out of the mix I can switch to either camera and it will stay. My cameras are A1 and A2. the motion sensor is A1. TM751 is A. I appreciate all the input on this. I have no filters or couplers in the mix.
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Your second camera will need an A2 ON signal for it to come on. The motion sensor will send an A1 OFF after a few minutes; that will turn the A1 camera off, but it won't turn the A2 camera on.
Have you tried a different house code? A1 is a default address for a lot of X10 equipment, so it would be best to avoid that address.
The dusk/dawn +1 address can and will be an issue, but your problem is too consistent for that to be he cause here.
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I had tried B1 and B2 but same results. It is something with the motion sensor. Without it I can switch to a camera and it will stay. That being the case would I be better off with MS16A? Camera on A1 and A3? I don't know.
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I had tried B1 and B2 but same results. It is something with the motion sensor. Without it I can switch to a camera and it will stay. That being the case would I be better off with MS16A? Camera on A1 and A3? I don't know.
Like Puck said before AVOID using A1.. This is the default for all X10 equipment.
How many MS14A's are you using? 1 or 2 ?
Set one Camera to C1 and the other Camera to C2
then set
1 Motion Sensor (MS14A) to M1 the the second to M3.
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Without any software you will need to have your 4 cameras within the same group; like 1, 2, 3 & 4.
If they are not, then you will end up with 2 or more cameras on and transmitting at once.
If you already have 4 MS14As, then disable the dusk/dawn feature as dave w posted here: Re: Large System Setup- What Have I learned and what MUST I do? (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=17818.msg98842#msg98842)
Doing this will at least eliminate that from causing your current problem.
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Ok so you are saying C1 and C2 and I could be Ok. I was setting the motion sensors to the same as the camera house and unit code. I will try the M1 and M2 first thing tomorrow.
Thanks for the support , will let you know results.
gmanm1
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I have installed vanguard software. Cameras on C1 and C2 , motion sensors M1 and M2. Do I have to have the transceiver in the mix and I if so set to the M code?
Thanks,
gmanm1
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if you have 4 cameras, 1 tm751, and motion sensors for each camera:
if you only have one tm751, you have to have all of your items on the same house code. The tm751 is what will send and receive all of your on/off codes for all your cameras and motion sensors.
you will probably have to do the simple mod of covering the dusk/dawn sensor on the motion sensor to get this to work. Use the link that Puck gave you above.
evidently you have the motion sensor located in a place where it gets sun sometimes and then shade. Which means what is happening: when you have motion from motion sensor (c1) it transmits c1 to the powerline through you tm751, your tm751 puts c1 on the powerline, which turns cam1 (also c1) on.
what is happening is that the motion sensor gets a little shaded and sends the (c2 on the dusk/dawn code, which is also cam2). When the tm751 sends c2 on, cam1 (c1) goes off and (c2) goes on. Unless you disable the dusk/dawn sensor by putting black tape over it this setup will always cause you problems.
Do the simple mod and I'll bet your problems go away! ;)
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I only have one transceiver and I set it up like you said and I did the motion sensor mod it still does the same thing. Could it be in the transceiver? This is getting ridiculous.
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I think we need an equipment check. exactly what did you receive with your 4 camera kit? Please give us a complete list of what you received and what you are using. What do you expect the equipment to do? (in other words, how do you want it to work) If you tell us that, then we can tell you if it is possible.
Also, is this the only X10 equipment you have?
what interface do you have connected to your computer? You said you loaded Vanguard. To use this software you need some type of interface. (cm15a, cm17, cm19, etc...) If you don't have a computer interface, everytime your motion sensor sends the off code the camera will turn off. It doesn't matter if the delay is 1 min or 5.
You did cover the dusk/dawn sensor on ALL motion sensors? If not then take the screws out and find the dusk sensor and place black tape over it. If your not using all motion sensors then take the batteries out of them. Setup one motion sensor at a time.
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I have the four camera kit. Two color xcams and two black and white xcams , one ninja pan and tilt ,one transceiver TM751 , vcr commander II , four motion sensors , usb video plugin , vanguard software , wireless video only receiver , and ninja remote CR14A. I want to use only two cameras and I want them to be motion activated (recording). I had everything working good untill I tried adding motion sensors. I had it hooked up to my TV and DVR. I tried that configuration with everything set to A house code and the AI for one camera and A2 for the other. Had motion sensor on A1. I have since tried on B & C and no matter what I do if I switch to camera A1 With the remote and no motion sensor it will stay on that camera until I manually switch to A2 and vise versa. When I added the motion sensor it would trip the A1 camera like it should and start recording. After a few minutes it switches to camera A2. I have tried this with other house and unit codes does not matter same result. I want a motion sesor for both cameras eventually , but I cannot get past this problem.
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As of right now I have both c1 and C3 set on the cameras and the same camera C3 is on both screens. The motion sensor trips C1 and the right camera shows for a few minutes then the transciever clicks and it goes back to camera C3 showing on both C1 and C3. Motion sensor modified.
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is this the system you have? http://www.x10.com/promotions/xx16a_4cam_security_camera_home_burst.html
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Yes that is the one.
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okay, do you have the cm19 plugged into your computer?
what I would do is setup the cameras in the vanguard software and get that working. If you don't your motion sensors are going to keep turning off your cameras.
here is a couple of links that will help you. Remember to have your motion sensors to a Different unit code than the cameras. example: cam1 c1, cam2 c2, motion for cam1 is c5, motion for cam2 is c7.
http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/Motion_Recording_In_Vanguard_ICC
http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/XCam2_and_Vanguard_ICC_Setup
http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/Vanguard_Internet_Control_Center
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You already have been very helpful. I thought the motion sensor and camera had to be the same unit code. I did not have the CM19A hooked up either. I'll try this and see what hapens.
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I have it working except it is crashing. rudll in vista.
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I have it working except it is crashing. rudll in vista.
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=17024.0
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Follow the link Knightrider gave you and then here is the link for the Registery Cleaner (which is also in the post Knightrider gave you).............
http://www.amltools.com/free-registry-cleaner-tutorial.html
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OK I did all that and more. It still crashes when finished recording. You could never use this while you were away to moniter your property. I give up.
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Don't quit on us yet!!!
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I want to report a happy ending. I can record stills just fine and the software setup doesn't switch cameras on me. Hopefully X10 or microsoft will get the bug out of the program. Thank everyone of you for sticking with this and seeing it thru. I hope I get better at understanding how this all works so I can help someone too.
gmanm1 :)%
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I'm glad you got at least part of it working! :)% I don't have the vanguard software but if it is anything like IWatchout that comes with AHP then you could probably change codecs and fix the crashing problem.
If you can try to switch the default codec to Microsoft Codec 1. I believe thats the one. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
Just play around with the software and try some different things! You'll get used to it! And pretty soon you'll be posting and helping someone else out!
Thanks for not giving up on us! >!