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📸Cameras & Camera Software => Camera General Discussion => Non X10 Cameras => Topic started by: STI2NR on March 27, 2010, 12:39:13 AM
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Anyone had any experience with Swann equipment?? It appears they may have some intercompatibility with x10 (receivers, similar cameras).
Ebay is littered with the stuff.
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Anyone had any experience with Swann equipment??
I have tried the wired IR outdoor Swann cameras from Canadian Tire, and they're pretty good. Work well plugged into x10 appliance modules to turn them on and off.
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It appears they may have some intercompatibility with x10 (receivers, similar cameras).
Many of the wireless cameras use the 2.4 ghz... as does the X10 cameras. However there is a lot of bandwith on 2.4. There is no guarantee that another brand of 2.4 ghz camera will be compatable with X10. However if the camera has the standard 4 switchable channels... there is a decent chance (but still a gamble) that one of the channels will be compatable with X10 video. The odds of the audio and video on that channel being the same... isn't so great.
If you don't need audio... and the price is cheap enough to take a chance.. why not. Also... with just a little effort you can mix and match your cameras using other brands with the X10. I have always liked having a big honking, shiny, IR camera in a area where the bad guys can spot it. Then I have the much smaller and easier to hide X10 cameras that collect closer video.
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You can find the authorized frequency of them if you have the FCC ID number.
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm
X10s Grantee Code is B4S. A search with out the Product Code will find all of them or you can narrow the search if you have the whole number.
The Swann should have an FCC number if sold in the US.
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According to http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=10465.msg59909#msg59909 the X10 camera frequencies are:
•A-2.411 GHZ
•B-2.434
•C-2.453
•D-2.473
I checked the [few] Ebay ads I have seen that list the frequencies. Often only ONE is common with the above, meaning, in one instance for example, that non-x10 camera on channel 'C' would work with an X10 receiver on 'C'.
At the time, I wasn't looking for SWANN specifically. I think it was more of the "hidden-in-a-clock" type. I never actually bought it, but I was surprised that the 4 frequencies used on X10 2.4 GHz cameras were different than the Brand X 4-channel 2.4 GHz camera.
This post: http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=13806.0 (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=13806.0)
seems to say that all 4 frequencies for SWANN are the same... ???
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Swann works with x10 very well! And there's absolutely no interference with the wired ones! ;)
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Some of the Swann cameras I saw look like miniature 35mm cameras. Picture quality is better or worse than X10?
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..... Picture quality is better or worse than X10?
I think about all those CMOS Cameras (http://www.spyshop2000.com/cmos_vs_ccd.htm) produce about the same image quality. And... in most cases.. thats plenty good enough as well.
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..... Picture quality is better or worse than X10?
I think about all those CMOS Cameras (http://www.spyshop2000.com/cmos_vs_ccd.htm) produce about the same image quality. And... in most cases.. thats plenty good enough as well.
Thank you for sharing that CCD v CMOS link. I suppose I'm needing a CCD for this application http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=20566.0 Does X10 have any CCD cameras?
ADDM: How about putting a remote control or robot brain [and eye] on this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LduYhx5lDY&feature=player_embedded
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Thank you for sharing that CCD v CMOS link. I suppose I'm needing a CCD for this application http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=20566.0 Does X10 have any CCD cameras?
I think you'd be completely impressed with X10's Vanguard. If you really think you need that level of camera security.
ADDM: How about putting a remote control or robot brain [and eye] on this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LduYhx5lDY&feature=player_embedded
My robot wasn't smart... (although I had thought of adding a chip for a little programmed decision making). The concept was I could (not only) place a camera anywhere around the house where I thought I might want one. I could move the camera from my living room. Or use the robot to look around. Like checking the rain water flow at the gutters during a storm.
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Some of the Swann cameras I saw look like miniature 35mm cameras. Picture quality is better or worse than X10?
Picture quality is better than x10 for sure, but x10 has a better returns policy if something goes wrong with it. Also, if you get the Swann with infrared for night vision, it really works well and illuminates quite far, like 20-30 feet at least, and you won't need an additional floodlight.
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Also, if you get the Swann with infrared for night vision, it really works well and illuminates quite far, like 20-30 feet at least, and you won't need an additional floodlight.
That IS one area where X10 is lacking... IR cameras... -:)
You wouldn't think it would be a far stretch for them, but so far no dice. :(
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That IS one area where X10 is lacking... IR cameras...
I use both X10 and IR cameras... although I am also a BIG PROPONENT of regular (non-IR cameras) as well.
I like having one big, honking, chunky, IR camera (I have mine on a Ninja) so any would be intruders... should be able to see I have cameras. Cameras are just as good as a deterrent as the alarm sign and stickers and the several floodlights I have. The big IR camera even glows pinkish at night.
But then since I do have all the extra floodlights... I really have no need for IR cameras. And whereas it is really nice to have a camera that can be easily spotted... the tiny little tough-as-nails X10 cameras are pretty easy to hide. And since just looking away from the camera... can completely defeat its usefulness.... little hard-to-spot cameras are really important too. Plus.. the little X10 cams can look out a window from the inside. You can't do that easily with an IR cam.
X10 was the first to introduce little affordable home security cameras. Unfortunately... IMHO.. they seem dead set on just riding on the success obtained with these cameras. It would be so easy to produce an IR version of the camera(s). Or even just make a plastic bubble housing.. to convert the standard camera into a tamper-proof dome camera.
The Vanguard and Sentinel cameras are world class top-of-the-line. And worth every penny they ask for them. But it would be nice to have something between the good for less than 20 feet (X10 cam) and the Vanguard quality... that you can use to read the date on a coin at 20 feet.
By the way... I've mentioned using birdhouses for hiding (and moving around) the X10 cams for years. I collected the attached image... just today.
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Poor bird.
Remember:
It's not wise to fool with mother nature.
rofl
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Poor bird.
The bird found a home! It was because of my error... that the bird was able to squeeze in by the camera. This fall after the nest is empty.. I will remove and relocate the camera. The birdhouse will remain in the same location so the bird can have it's "summer place" back.We have several birdhouses so I can easily find a new place for the camera.
But I am also thinking of adding another over-sized IR camera. The prices seem to keep dropping on these cameras as the trend seems to be towards IP cameras.
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This fall after the nest is empty.. I will remove and relocate the camera.
Nest? You mean there were several hatchlings? I wonder if the heat from the camera helped keep the nest warm, and incubated the eggs?
That's neat. How did you set that up? Any pictures from the outside looking at the birdhouse?
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Nest? You mean there were several hatchlings?
I've seen one head (besides the mother).... no idea how many may be there.
I wonder if the heat from the camera helped keep the nest warm, and incubated the eggs?
I only turn the camera on when needed.... and outside temperatures have been... well really HOT. So I don't think the camera aided any with warmth.
That's neat. How did you set that up? Any pictures from the outside looking at the birdhouse?
I hid the camera (from people) by placing it in the birdhouse. The camera set just barely inside the birdhouse.... the bird moved the camera... ever so slightly. Now she just squeezes in. The birds are wrens... and the wife has ban me from any activity that may cause the birds to relocate. But... maybe this fall... I can better locate a camera for nest watching (for next years eggs).
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Dave_x10_L,
Wrens are really cute tiny birds...are they common where you are? I don't think I've ever had any in my own backyard. Nuthatches, chickadees and hummingbirds are the tiny visitors I usually get. I wish them well!
But how do you run the wire out to the birdhouse? Is it under or over ground, and how is it protected?
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Wrens are really cute tiny birds...are they common where you are?
But how do you run the wire out to the birdhouse? Is it under or over ground, and how is it protected?
Wrens are common in Ohio... but they're our first nesting pair on our lot. We also have a Blue Jay family at the other end of the yard. We feed, provide fresh water, have planted, and provided houses to attract the birds. We have a nice selection in the yard and we enjoy their visiting.
That particular camera is wireless (regular X10 color cam). Although I am also wired so I can run ether wired or wireless. I originally had two cameras in that area and ran plenty of extra wires. The extra wire was a good thing... as a critter quickly chewed up the beige (root colored?) cable that came with one camera. Extra wire is coax, CAT5, and a run of landscape lowvoltage wire. I buried the wire in a shallow "spade trench".
The yard was struck by lighting 2-3 years ago... and it killed every camera I had. When I replaced the cameras I found better places for cameras... and replaced one camera with two... in two different places. I like to have my cameras... in view of other cameras (the cameras watch each other... as well as the house). I have to make a real effort to limit the number of cameras I have. Most of the outside of my home is covered by motion sensors and cameras.
The wireless camera is received by a receiver I mounted in the eves about 60 feet from the camera. The image is then sent through the house via video cable (then even as channel 3).
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Swann camera are junk I retuened three of them. I had them outside the grass and tree where light brown it look like hell. I have clover camera and it works good with that camera you can change the lens to.