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Title: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: bloomiesjeff on March 28, 2010, 12:47:27 PM
My house is programmed for lighting to go on and off which has been working without a hitch for a year. Three days ago lights would go on randomly, mostly in the middle of the night. I check all my settings and don't see where anything is different from what it should be. Does anybody have ideas on what I should look at? Thanks.
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: Brian H on March 28, 2010, 12:51:29 PM
Anything new in the house or a device moved from one location to another?
What model X10 device is it and type of light being controlled?


Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: STI2NR on March 28, 2010, 12:57:25 PM
Did your neighbor get an x10 system??  You may need a filter.
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: bloomiesjeff on March 28, 2010, 02:55:58 PM
I am using lamp modules and wall switches. Not all wall switches are active and even some that are turned off physically at the wall still switch on randomly.

Thanks...Jeff
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: bloomiesjeff on March 28, 2010, 03:06:18 PM
I forgot to answer the questions: nothing is new or moved in the house. I can't answer about neighbors installing X10, but doubtful. Houses around are vacation homes and empty til the summer.
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: Dan Lawrence on March 28, 2010, 04:49:32 PM
Are you using AHP/CM15A to control the lamp modules and wall switches or something else?
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: bloomiesjeff on March 28, 2010, 05:11:35 PM
Yes, AHP CM15A
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: Dan Lawrence on March 28, 2010, 06:33:21 PM
What version of AHP?
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: bloomiesjeff on March 28, 2010, 07:56:30 PM
ver 3.236
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: Dan Lawrence on March 28, 2010, 09:02:07 PM
Version 3.236 is a known buggy version.  To get a non-buggy version, go to http://software.x10.com/pub/applications/activehome/  and look for /ahp_updt_204.exe.  Save that and apply it over what you have now.  Once it is installed, open AHP and use the update link under Tools (or the flashing "Update Available"  in the lower right corner) to update to 3.228, the last good version.   
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on March 28, 2010, 10:30:54 PM
I seriously doubt it's the version of AHP, since it has worked fine for a year.

Are any of your X10 remote controls missing in action?  Or do you have a box of spares that might have been jostled?

Are the offending lights on house code A?

Do you have any Eagle Eye or Active Eye motion sensors?

Many of X10's battery powered motion sensors and remote controls will reset themselves to house code A when the battery gets flakey, so if the offending lights are on house code A, you might want to look for those sorts of X10 devices.

Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: bloomiesjeff on March 29, 2010, 08:57:03 AM
I only operate lamps and wall switches on m X10, all house code A. No motion or other devices.
Last night a wall switced light went on that is physically switched off. What happens if I remove my controller from the wall socket overnight as a test...will it loose its programming?

Thanks guys.
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on March 29, 2010, 09:18:27 PM
I only operate lamps and wall switches on m X10, all house code A. No motion or other devices.
Last night a wall switced light went on that is physically switched off. What happens if I remove my controller from the wall socket overnight as a test...will it loose its programming?

Thanks guys.

If the batteries are good, it normally shouldn't, but I'd be ready to plug it into the computer and reload it, just in case.

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Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: bloomiesjeff on March 30, 2010, 07:42:12 AM
We just realized that the power company replaced our meter about a week ago and had power off during. We've lost power many times before, but never with this effect. I wonder if it has to dowith the new meter install?
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: Brian H on March 30, 2010, 08:05:07 AM
Is it one of those new smart meters?
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: bloomiesjeff on March 30, 2010, 10:23:36 AM
Yes, it's a smart meter!!
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: dave w on March 30, 2010, 10:41:32 AM
OH-NO! This does not bode well.
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: RJMIM on March 30, 2010, 11:39:19 AM
I have had a smart meter on the house for a while and have not had any issues.  Sometimes when the electricity goes out I have to re-download the timers and macros because I start seeing certain issues.  You can try that and see if it solves your problem. 
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: Knightrider on March 30, 2010, 05:42:47 PM
We, too, have a smart meter and x10 works fine.  If requested, I'll run out and get the model number.
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: Brian H on March 30, 2010, 06:46:43 PM
Anyones Smart Meter been hacked?
http://www.cocoontech.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16208&hl=
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: dave w on March 30, 2010, 08:14:32 PM
We, too, have a smart meter and x10 works fine.  If requested, I'll run out and get the model number.
Nope, not if your X10 works OK. Duke Power is supposed to upgrade this area sometime this year. But if Smart Meter interferred with X10 I would have had to put the blow-up dog in the side yard to keep the installers away.   :'
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: Knightrider on March 30, 2010, 09:01:12 PM
Maybe we should keep notes on this subject.  I'm on a single wire ground return distribution system, provided by a rural electric co-op.  I'm pretty sure that the data transmission packets are very small and on a low frequency, as neighbors around here don't share transformers.  They have to have some way to get the data through them.

Duke is a big company (pretty sure they supply Cincinnati) and may utilize a slightly different technology.

Just because it works for me doesn't mean it will work for every scenario.
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: dave w on March 30, 2010, 09:11:36 PM

Duke is a big company (pretty sure they supply Cincinnati) and may utilize a slightly different technology.

Just because it works for me doesn't mean it will work for every scenario.
My mistake...I thought you were on Duke also. Guess I gotta inflate the dog after all.
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: AZDoug on March 31, 2010, 12:47:51 AM
We had smart power meters installed within the year.  I was using my CM11 at the time and there were no negative effects when the meters were installed.  I live in a very urban area and the smart power meters used here send their data using cell phone transmissions.  I asked the installers about the meters when they were in the area. 
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: dave w on March 31, 2010, 07:41:16 AM
  I live in a very urban area and the smart power meters used here send their data using cell phone transmissions. 
I wonder if they have "roll-over minutes"?  rofl

Who is your power company?
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: AZDoug on March 31, 2010, 11:14:36 AM
[Who is your power company?
We get power from Arizona Public Service (APS).  The meter installed in my house is made by Elster, Type R2SD.  I believe the model number identifies the basic model.  Any options required by APS are not listed when you look up the model at the Mfr website.  I expected they would use some kind of PLC to send the data, but I imagine a cell phone tower means access to more meters without the expense of data collectors at transformers and the associated problems of PLC signals we X10 users are so familiar with. 
Title: Re: I need help troubleshooting lighting
Post by: STI2NR on April 03, 2010, 07:56:52 PM
Just out of curiousity have you tried putting a capacitor/filter on one of your 240v breakers to try and remedy the problem??  I was having some similar issues and found a guy on ebay selling these http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160119208413&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT   I used it in my main panel inside the house along with an x10 brand coupler/repeater in the garage panel and have not had any issues since.

Just a thought.

;-)