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Title: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on July 31, 2010, 01:03:25 PM
Hi any one tried this new remote yet looking for a review hopefully. Looks like the keys are laid out more to my liking might try one since I guess I'll have to have my Harmony remote repaired after I sat on it by mistake.  B:(
 
Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on July 31, 2010, 01:08:24 PM
I ordered mine the day the pop up showed on the web site. 07/26/2010
Still no verification from X10 as to if it shipped yet.
Though they had no problem adding the order price to my credit card.
Will try to report what I can when it ever gets here.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on July 31, 2010, 05:58:43 PM
I ordered mine the day the pop up showed on the web site. 07/26/2010
Still no verification from X10 as to if it shipped yet.
Though they had no problem adding the order price to my credit card.
Will try to report what I can when it ever gets here.

Hi Brain it's been a while since we last chatted. Say that Sounds GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!! looks smaller the the older x10 remote only thing I don't see a skip button I use that a lot on my DVR, any thoughts????
Thanks!

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on July 31, 2010, 06:01:34 PM
No thoughts on it yet.
There isn't even a manual for it to download. Unless x10 sneaked it in today.  ;D
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Dr.Fiero on July 31, 2010, 06:10:44 PM
I figured for $30, WTF - took the plunge (also on the day the 100,000 ad's started appearing!).
Add me to the list of no notification of shipping - but it's pretty soon.

Hope it pans out well though (and has had more testing than the last pile of recent X10 products that seem to have been tested by a blind one arm pygmy with no electricity to use).
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: nybuck on July 31, 2010, 08:36:53 PM
... looks smaller the the older x10 remote...
That was my first impression as well.... Until I read the specs that show it the same size as the IconRemote RF - 9" x 2.25"   :(
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: sammyo41 on August 01, 2010, 01:15:14 AM
I ordered mine the day the pop up showed on the web site. 07/26/2010
Still no verification from X10 as to if it shipped yet.
Though they had no problem adding the order price to my credit card.
Will try to report what I can when it ever gets here.

Well Brian I do believe x10 has become a cash cow after realizing they could make more
interest on money sitting in their account while the customer gets madder and madder and finally after no help from anyone I finally canceled my over $200.00 order, guess what? the money is still sitting in their account. Might need a lawyer with a wrecker to get my own money back from the game masters!!!!
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 01, 2010, 07:23:26 AM
Well I tried the Order Status form on the Customer Support Site and will see if I ever get an answer.

Update: Submitted request 3 time now for order status.
Screen says give computer 10 minutes for an email reply.
Well 24 hours for the first one. Still no reply and I know my email account allows X10 messages. The order confirmation and X10 Bucks ones always get to me.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Dr.Fiero on August 01, 2010, 09:56:56 AM
Anyone think that maybe these remotes don't exist ('cept for maybe a few prototypes).

They've taken off with the cash from the millions of orders for them, and NOW they're going to develop and build them!
The ultimate in OPM engineering!
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: nybuck on August 01, 2010, 10:40:56 AM
I'd give them more credit than that, because they have a working model that has been shipping for 3 years now...

I think this one is very similar to the IconRemote RF.  The only difference I see is the location, size and shape of the buttons.  People complained about the VCR controls on the bottom - now they're on top of the numbers, for example.

Programming looks the same from the description...  Nothing ground-breaking here.  :-\
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 01, 2010, 12:39:58 PM
I'd give them more credit than that, because they have a working model that has been shipping for 3 years now...

I think this one is very similar to the IconRemote RF.  The only difference I see is the location, size and shape of the buttons.  People complained about the VCR controls on the bottom - now they're on top of the numbers, for example.

Programming looks the same from the description...  Nothing ground-breaking here.  :-\

I hated the placement of the VCR controls who thought that design up one of the major reasons I didn't buy the first one . I just didn't like the lay out of the buttons, actually they could of moved the VCR controls up a tad further like on my Harmony. Over all with the RF built in and macros plus the price I'm thing it might be a winner might even buy two!

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Dr.Fiero on August 02, 2010, 11:45:13 AM
I was kidding about the conspiracy theory....   ;)

Just got off the phone with X10 (as MY 'where is my order' emails were also going unanswered!). 
Seems they are out of stock (would have been NICE if the guy I placed the order with told me that dontcha think?!), but CLAIM that they will be in, and shipping, in the next couple of days and that I (we?) will be getting a 'shipped' confirmation email.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 02, 2010, 06:40:35 PM
Got an email a short time ago.
Mine shipped 08/02/2010.  :)%
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 03, 2010, 11:50:47 AM
Just placed an order for mine this morning hopefully I'll receive it in the next week or so. Say would who ever gets theirs first PLEASE place a review, kind of concerned about that skip button because I use it a lot on my DVR how could they have missed that key, anyone know if the old one had one. Hopefully it has one and I just didn't see it.


Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: JeffVolp on August 03, 2010, 01:07:59 PM
I ordered another one of the prior Icon RF remotes that I had beta tested, but received a notice yesterday that they shipped the new Nstinct IR34A instead. 

Other than button positions, and the sleeker appearance, I wonder what the differences are.

Jeff
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: dave w on August 03, 2010, 02:57:50 PM

Other than button positions, and the sleeker appearance, I wonder what the differences are.

Jeff

Several new "private label" LCD TV manufacturers have appeared since the original ICON came out, so probably new code libraries. It may be nothing more than a repackaging. Apparently X10 has decided not to add a computer interface which is disappointing. It takes me days to set up all my X10 modules in the old ICON. Would be much easier if you could do it on a PC and download. Sigh, I am bummed
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 03, 2010, 03:54:28 PM
The computer interface would have been nice. Since they bill it as a Harmony Killer.  :'
The only one I ever saw was a Beta Original Icon Remote. Had a mini USB connector.

One thing I did notice.
One of the sales items on the original X10 sales page. Is an original Icon for $69.99  ::)
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: nybuck on August 03, 2010, 09:11:08 PM
Apparently X10 has decided not to add a computer interface which is disappointing. It takes me days to set up all my X10 modules in the old ICON. Would be much easier if you could do it on a PC and download. Sigh, I am bummed
That can't be!  It clearly says in the advertisement "set it up in less than 3 minutes"   :'

I would have liked to see the USB port as well.....   ;)
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on August 04, 2010, 12:43:26 AM
Just got my shipping confirmation!   :)%

Nstinct Remote IR34A

Ship date August 3rd.
Estimated delivery date August 12th.

Can't wait to play!

 >!
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 04, 2010, 06:54:40 AM
Mine said shipped 08/02/10. FedEx expected delivery 08/07/10.
With SmartPost I have found times vary.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 04, 2010, 07:21:47 PM

Other than button positions, and the sleeker appearance, I wonder what the differences are.

Jeff

Several new "private label" LCD TV manufacturers have appeared since the original ICON came out, so probably new code libraries. It may be nothing more than a repackaging. Apparently X10 has decided not to add a computer interface which is disappointing. It takes me days to set up all my X10 modules in the old ICON. Would be much easier if you could do it on a PC and download. Sigh, I am bummed


Say how difficult is it to program and whats  required to set up your x10 modules. It does say 3 minutes  ???

Tom j.       
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: dave w on August 04, 2010, 07:24:51 PM
Say how difficult is it to program and whats  required to set up your x10 modules. It does say 3 minutes  ???      

 rofl

Oh gosh, it's another Depends day! 
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 04, 2010, 07:26:13 PM
Until someone has one in their hands It maybe difficult to say with any concrete findings.

If there where any Beta Testers they are keeping real quiet.

I checked again and there is no Manual for the new IR34A on line yet.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 05, 2010, 01:34:03 AM
Until someone has one in their hands It maybe difficult to say with any concrete findings.

If there where any Beta Testers they are keeping real quiet.

I checked again and there is no Manual for the new IR34A on line yet.

Hi Brian, do you have the old version?

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 05, 2010, 06:12:20 AM
I have two IR10 Original Icons and one of them is a Beta revision with the mini USB connector.
I don't have a IR32 original Icon RF.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 05, 2010, 01:55:50 PM
The IR34A users manual and quick start guide are now on the X10 FTP site.
I have downloaded them and will be looking them over shortly.

Top two entries on this page:
ftp://ftp.x10.com/pub/manuals/

The links to the manuals are not yet in the what's included box of the sales site or the customer service list of manuals for download.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: J.B. on August 05, 2010, 04:52:31 PM
I spoke with customer service today and they said that other than button placement and the few changes visually, it is almost no different than an IR32A.

Here is a direct link to the manual:

ftp://ftp.x10.com/pub/manuals/IR34A%20OM.pdf
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 06, 2010, 03:33:03 PM
I am pleased to say. FedEx overestimated the delivery date.
Mine arrived this afternoon by Smartpost.  :)%

Real short play time so far.
I think the three minutes setup maybe a stretch.
Using the start up wizard and knowing all the answers. You maybe able to setup one device in three minutes.
If you don't count the time to find batteries in your spare battery drawer and install them.  ;D
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 06, 2010, 04:18:05 PM
The IR34A is also now in the FCC Database.
Internal and External Photos
Schematics, Parts List and more.

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm
Grantee Code: B4S
Product Code: IR34A
In the details tab.

From looking at the Schematics for the IR34A Nstinct Remote and the IR32A IconRF Remote. The first thing that popped out was the RF Transmitters. The IR32A used discrete components in the oscillator and the IR34A used SAW devices for a closer frequency tolerance.

The second thing I saw was a USB Port on the main schematic. I think it maybe only on the PCB as I can't see one externally. A closer look at the internal photos shows the mounting pads for the USB Port not populated.  :(
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: dave w on August 07, 2010, 10:44:58 AM
The second thing I saw was a USB Port on the main schematic. I think it maybe only on the PCB as I can't see one externally. A closer look at the internal photos shows the mounting pads for the USB Port not populated.  :(

 B:(
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Dr.Fiero on August 09, 2010, 12:32:45 PM
^^^ So who's going to be the first to crack open their brand new remote and solder a plug on?   :'
(uhhh, that was supposed to be pointing at what is now the last post on Pg2 !)


Just got off the phone with X10 (again!!).  They once again claim... they JUST got in another shipment over the weekend, and all orders placed before July 30th (I placed mine on the 28th) will be sent out today.

All those who believe them, raise their hand.
(looks out, across the empty room....)
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 09, 2010, 12:39:36 PM
Oh try a USB connector.  ;D
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: dave w on August 09, 2010, 12:48:29 PM
^^^ So who's going to be the first to crack open their brand new remote and solder a plug on?   :'

Interesting idea. Problem would be; what kind of software would be needed or have to be written to communicate with the end stink Nstinct?

Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 09, 2010, 12:56:53 PM
Good point as my Beta Icon with USB port was useless.
I connected it to my computer and XP said a unknown USB device was detected.  B:(
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: pconroy on August 09, 2010, 07:44:42 PM
end stink Nstinct?
rofl
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 09, 2010, 08:51:57 PM
I am pleased to say. FedEx overestimated the delivery date.
Mine arrived this afternoon by Smartpost.  :)%

Real short play time so far.
I think the three minutes setup maybe a stretch.
Using the start up wizard and knowing all the answers. You maybe able to setup one device in three minutes.
If you don't count the time to find batteries in your spare battery drawer and install them.  ;D

Hi Brian I know you just got yours say what about a skip feature, I have a DVR and use it to scan through commercials does this have a key that will allow you to do this. Thanks and how do you like it. ???  :)%

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 10, 2010, 06:15:44 AM
I will have to look and see if the Skip feature is there for DVRs.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: nybuck on August 10, 2010, 06:56:35 AM
I will have to look and see if the Skip feature is there for DVRs.
Couldn't you program a button from your existing remote?
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 10, 2010, 12:50:39 PM
I didn't see any hard coded button with the Skip feature when in the DVR choice. On the labels or in the manual.
Though I have not done too much with mine. Other than install the Vizio LCD on it and set some favorites.

I did see a few TiVo buttons. Thumbs up; Thumbs Down and TiVo Central.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Dr.Fiero on August 10, 2010, 05:56:13 PM
Just got off the phone with them....  again....

This time, they CLAIM it SHIPPED yesterday!  Wheeeee!    :)%
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 10, 2010, 06:17:55 PM
If you ordered it through the web site.
You should get a "It Shipped" email with a FedEx number.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: J.B. on August 10, 2010, 08:29:30 PM
I've never received a shipping confirmation, only my order confirmation. This must be how it is for Canadian orders.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Dr.Fiero on August 10, 2010, 08:38:52 PM
This must be how it is for Canadian orders.

Canuck here as well. 
No email confirmation as X10 drop ships the order across the border (via courier?), then "ghost X10" north of the border drops it in the mail. 
It's usually about 2 days after that to the left coast here.

Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: J.B. on August 10, 2010, 09:17:52 PM
I'm actually hoping to have my Nstincts tomorrow. I have 3 on the way (I think) :P
Since they closed their warehouse here in the North, I find it takes 7-9 days to receive orders now. B:(
I have a couple Icon RF remotes now and really like them but I think I will like the button placement better on the Nstinct.
 I really would have liked to see this model include some software and a USB connection as well. Even if only to allow you to backup your remote and/or clone to another. It can be quite time consuming to setup when you have a lot of devices and x10 to control.
Oh well, maybe the next model will have USB. I won't hold my breath though... >*<
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on August 10, 2010, 11:44:49 PM
Just got my shipping confirmation!   :)%

Nstinct Remote IR34A

Ship date August 3rd.
Estimated delivery date August 12th.

Can't wait to play!

 >!

Arrived today (08/10/2010) two days early!  :)%

Came in a box, with a manual and quick setup sheet.

First thoughts:


I suppose I should put the batteries in and see what's new in the programming.   ::)
For those of you that know me...  Hey!  At least it's not still in the box!   rofl

More to come...
 >!
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 11, 2010, 06:18:18 AM
Bill, I am not much better.
I unpacked it.
Installed batteries.
Programed a few things.
Reset it.
Removed the batteries.
Back in box.  :'
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Dr.Fiero on August 11, 2010, 10:06:42 AM
Removed the batteries.
Back in box.

Eek!  That bad??

Or just not enough time to set it up/play with it?
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 11, 2010, 10:26:47 AM
My sense of adventure seems to have gone away at the moment.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on August 11, 2010, 09:32:48 PM
Well, so far, I can't see much that's changed programming wise.

I tried all of the possible codes for my audio/video devices and none worked any better than the ones I had on the older remote, so I had to have it learn about 10 buttons.  Again, same old same old.

So far, I'm wondering what changed besides the button layout.   rofl

More to come...
 >!
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 12, 2010, 02:07:31 AM
I didn't see any hard coded button with the Skip feature when in the DVR choice. On the labels or in the manual.
Though I have not done too much with mine. Other than install the Vizio LCD on it and set some favorites.

I did see a few TiVo buttons. Thumbs up; Thumbs Down and TiVo Central.

Hi Bill do you have a DVR and if so do you use the skip feature, just wondering how you plan on handling this. Maybe I should have waited before I placed that order seems lie the reviews aren't all that positive.  :-\

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on August 13, 2010, 12:07:10 AM
Hi Bill do you have a DVR and if so do you use the skip feature, just wondering how you plan on handling this. Maybe I should have waited before I placed that order seems lie the reviews aren't all that positive.  :-\

Tom j.

Well, no, I don't have a DVR.  But, I do have some odd audio/video equipment, like my DVD player that has 3 DVD trays.

What I did for it is chose the code that worked best for most features and then used the original remote for the DVD player to teach the Nstinct the IR codes needed to switch trays.  In this case, I had the Nstinct learn them to "side keys" that I labeled with "DISC 1", "DISC 2" and "DISC 3" (on the LCD screen), but you can also have the Nstinct learn the IR code and store it on any of the other buttons that aren't already used for your DVR, like maybe the "thumbs up / thumbs down" keys.
 >!
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 13, 2010, 10:41:56 AM
Hi Bill do you have a DVR and if so do you use the skip feature, just wondering how you plan on handling this. Maybe I should have waited before I placed that order seems lie the reviews aren't all that positive.  :-\

Tom j.

Well, no, I don't have a DVR.  But, I do have some odd audio/video equipment, like my DVD player that has 3 DVD trays.

What I did for it is chose the code that worked best for most features and then used the original remote for the DVD player to teach the Nstinct the IR codes needed to switch trays.  In this case, I had the Nstinct learn them to "side keys" that I labeled with "DISC 1", "DISC 2" and "DISC 3" (on the LCD screen), but you can also have the Nstinct learn the IR code and store it on any of the other buttons that aren't already used for your DVR, like maybe the "thumbs up / thumbs down" keys.
 >!




OK well guess that's what I'll have to do really would have liked dedicated keys for this though. What's your overall impression of the unit seems like you aren't all that impressed.  ??? Thanks

Tom j.






Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 13, 2010, 02:07:45 PM
My sense of adventure seems to have gone away at the moment.



 rofl

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 13, 2010, 02:10:02 PM
Well, so far, I can't see much that's changed programming wise.

I tried all of the possible codes for my audio/video devices and none worked any better than the ones I had on the older remote, so I had to have it learn about 10 buttons.  Again, same old same old.

So far, I'm wondering what changed besides the button layout.   rofl

More to come...
 >!

Say Bill you got a DVR, if so what's your plan for the skip function?? I think I got one but just don't want to say until I hear what others plan as a work around.

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: rwelte on August 13, 2010, 03:20:20 PM
I've had my IR34A for a couple of days now and I quite like it (never had any earlier version of it). Learning from other remotes works very well (e.g. I control the ceiling fans with it now).

But what I really would like to do is changing the icons of the favorite TV channels. Since I live in Switzerland the TV station icons from the US do not apply to me, so I would like to change them to icons of TV stations that I can receive on this side of the Atlantic ocean.

Regards,
Roland
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Dr.Fiero on August 13, 2010, 04:44:36 PM
The guy at X10 when I ordered mine said that the icons weren't changeable - just the labels were.
(it'd be cool if you could upload your own custom ones...  say...  through a USB PORT THATS ONLY PARTIALLY THERE!   :' )

Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 13, 2010, 05:44:40 PM
I've had my IR34A for a couple of days now and I quite like it (never had any earlier version of it). Learning from other remotes works very well (e.g. I control the ceiling fans with it now).

But what I really would like to do is changing the icons of the favorite TV channels. Since I live in Switzerland the TV station icons from the US do not apply to me, so I would like to change them to icons of TV stations that I can receive on this side of the Atlantic ocean.

Regards,
Roland

Like was pointed out there's no USB port and the icons are static and not interchangeable. hmmm.....    B:(


Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 13, 2010, 06:00:11 PM
Say anyone know how they would handle a new channel or graphic or would you basically just be out of luck. I was thinking if this was software driven knowing how poor x10 programmers are we all might be in worst shape, I remember a year after AHP came out that folks still couldn't get their lights to turn on.  :'

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: dbemowsk on August 14, 2010, 09:27:22 AM
I have never had an icon remote.  did the old ones have a USB port?  if so, were those changeable with software?  Meaning could you upload your own channel icon images?
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 14, 2010, 09:51:05 AM
No the production Icon remotes did not have a USB port.
Some of the Beta ones did. I have one but there was no software to do anything with it.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 14, 2010, 05:58:51 PM
昅ost of the buttons are smaller and not where I'm used to finding them.  I guess time will tell whether that's better or worse.     
旾 find the white buttons with smaller black print harder to read and IMHO makes it look "cheap".
昑he new positions of the volume and channel buttons are uncomfortable.  If I hold it with my fingers on the bottom in the indent that appears to be made for them, I have to bend my thumb nearly backward to hit the volume buttons.  I can see it needing two-handed

Well I have to agree it does make it look a little cheap. Also this s my first thought this thing would be smaller, seems kind of large compared to my Harmony which like I stated earlier I accidentally sat on.  :( anyone else feel it's kind of big. They make it seem much smaller in the picture. On the plus side I like the resolution seems sharp enough, and I really like the RF for my x10 stuff. Well for the money I guess it's OK will have to complete the programing first and give it a try.

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 14, 2010, 07:57:54 PM
Well got a few things programed not really to bad but a dedicated UBS would be nice that is if it worked  ;)  :D but saying you can program this thing in a few minutes is really a stretch. I do have a question though thinking the batteries I put in might be a little weak so I want to replace them if I take out the batteries will it retain all the programing I hope there's no mention of this in the manual. Actually this thing really has potential but I think it needs to be a tad smaller what do you guys think?? rally like the key lay out much better thinking I like the icons so much might get a more refined version in the Harmony of course if all works out I'll definitely keep this one not bad for thirty bucks, looking forward to your help Thanks!!

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 14, 2010, 08:03:07 PM
Well I never looked at the manual in the box. Just the on line one I downloaded. Maybe they are different.  ;D
Page 8 under the battery information. It says it has permanent memory and will not forget during a battery change.
Only a master reset should clear all the data out.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: HA Dave on August 14, 2010, 09:13:01 PM
I ordered mine the day the pop up showed on the web site. 07/26/2010

I guess now we know why they use the pop-ups.... they work.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on August 14, 2010, 10:49:12 PM
Well I never looked at the manual in the box. Just the on line one I downloaded. Maybe they are different.  ;D
Page 8 under the battery information. It says it has permanent memory and will not forget during a battery change.
Only a master reset should clear all the data out.

Yeah, the Nstincts and the older Icons both use nonvolatile memory for storing user setup.  One big plus for them!
 >!
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 14, 2010, 11:01:06 PM
I ordered mine the day the pop up showed on the web site. 07/26/2010

I guess now we know why they use the pop-ups.... they work.


Yep  rofl  :)%

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 14, 2010, 11:03:56 PM
Well I never looked at the manual in the box. Just the on line one I downloaded. Maybe they are different.  ;D
Page 8 under the battery information. It says it has permanent memory and will not forget during a battery change.
Only a master reset should clear all the data out.

Thanks Brian! say what do you think about the size maybe I'm being just to picky. Thanks  ;D

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on August 14, 2010, 11:30:44 PM
... say what do you think about the size maybe I'm being just to picky. Thanks  ;D

Tom j.

Hey!  For a universal remote that does X10 and serves as an emergency flashlight, it couldn't be much smaller!   rofl
 >!
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: calldrin on August 15, 2010, 12:10:08 AM

Hey!  For a universal remote that does X10 and serves as an emergency flashlight, it couldn't be much smaller!   
 
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Bill what do mean a flashlight.. did not see anything about that feature :-(

Chuck
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on August 15, 2010, 12:41:01 AM

Hey!  For a universal remote that does X10 and serves as an emergency flashlight, it couldn't be much smaller!   
 
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Bill what do mean a flashlight.. did not see anything about that feature :-(

Chuck


As stated by one of the Icon RF beta testers:
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If you happen to have a hallway or stairwell that isn't lit by an X10 product...

The Icon Remote's backlight makes a great nighttime flashlight to get you to your destination...

(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h164/DigitalMDX/RemoteLight1.jpg)
:)%
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Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on August 15, 2010, 02:00:33 AM
Okay, so, to sum up (and repeat myself a little)...

In comparison to the previous Icon Remote RF (my Icon RF being the last beta version before the public release):


Mostly, the Nstinct appears to me to be a repackaged Icon RF with slightly worse X10 RF range and a modified key layout.

Don't get me wrong!  It is still a great universal remote, with the ability to learn IR codes it doesn't already include, and the best support for X10 devices I've ever seen in a universal remote!   8)

It is a worthy replacement for the Icon RF, which IMHO was a pretty darned good remote.


My wish list for the next version:

That's my two cents... less tax where applicable.   :'
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Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 15, 2010, 02:22:37 AM
Say Bill what about back lit keys that would be nice don't you think and of course make it a little smaller.  ;)

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: JeffVolp on August 15, 2010, 09:16:01 AM
I had ordered another Icon IR32A RF remote, but they substituted the new IR34A.  At first I thought the buttons were better positioned, but their smaller size and closer spacing makes them slightly harder to use.  That is particularly true for the fast forward and rewind, which we use a lot for the DVRs.  However, I think the navigation, channel, and volume buttons are better positioned on the IR34A.  I agree that the white buttons do make the IR34 look cheap compared with its predecessor.  I would have preferred to receive what I actually had ordered.

Jeff
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: dave w on August 15, 2010, 04:47:05 PM
Hey guys!  >!

I'm thinking of getting IR34 too, although can't come up with good justification. But do have a couple of questions about the new IR34 if someone can help.

1. Are the buttons on the IR34A made from that soft elastomer foam? Every cordless phone I have that uses that material, the button marking wears off fairly quickly.

2. Those of you that have the IR27 (or IR32) do you think the IR34 has better RF range?

Ya know Bobby Janovich during the beta test of the IR27, said there was "strong talk" about adding a PC interface so the ICON could down load new remote control code libraries. Apparently the development costs was too much, but personally I think X10 would have made it back since PC interface is a good selling point. Yeah, I know I'm preaching to the choir, I just like to "bump" the thought every so often in hopes someone at X10 might read.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on August 15, 2010, 11:52:40 PM
1. Are the buttons on the IR34A made from that soft elastomer foam? Every cordless phone I have that uses that material, the button marking wears off fairly quickly.
I don't know what they are made of specifically, but they're not hard plastic (except for the "side keys" next to the LCD display).

2. Those of you that have the IR27 (or IR32) do you think the IR34 has better RF range?
As I posted above, it seems to have about a foot or two shorter X10 range than the beta version of the Icon RF.  The RF range to the Powermid seems about the same though.
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Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 16, 2010, 02:01:02 AM
Hay Bill maybe you could give me a hand. Well I actually like this unit with the icons haven't seen another remote like this but I'm sure there will be some soon to follow.Really surprised Harmony doesn't make one similar, I thought they did but a trip to their website proved me wrong. 

Here's the problems I'm experiencing. I'm noticing that often when I push a button for like a second that the command is not carried out and I have to push it twice before a command is received. I see the little transmitter icon showing that the signal is being sent but for some reason it doesn't look like it's being received unless I hold the key it down for a few seconds. Now on my Harmony and all my other remotes for that matter just taping the key gets the job done. Just wondering if I got a bad one because this is kind of frustrating having to repeat these keystrokes so often. Anyone else experiencing this. Thanks!!

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on August 16, 2010, 02:43:08 AM
Hay Bill maybe you could give me a hand. Well I actually like this unit with the icons haven't seen another remote like this but I'm sure there will be some soon to follow.Really surprised Harmony doesn't make one similar, I thought they did but a trip to their website proved me wrong. 

Here's the problems I'm experiencing. I'm noticing that often when I push a button for like a second that the command is not carried out and I have to push it twice before a command is received. I see the little transmitter icon showing that the signal is being sent but for some reason it don't look like it's being received unless I hold the key it down for a few seconds. Now on my Harmony and all my other remotes for that matter just taping the key gets the job done. Just wondering if I got a bad one because this is kind of frustrating having to repeat these keystrokes so often. Anyone else experiencing this. Thanks!!

Tom j.

Can you be more specific?

Are these X10 signals or IR signals and if IR, are they built-in or learned?
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 16, 2010, 12:27:34 PM
Hay Bill maybe you could give me a hand. Well I actually like this unit with the icons haven't seen another remote like this but I'm sure there will be some soon to follow.Really surprised Harmony doesn't make one similar, I thought they did but a trip to their website proved me wrong. 

Here's the problems I'm experiencing. I'm noticing that often when I push a button for like a second that the command is not carried out and I have to push it twice before a command is received. I see the little transmitter icon showing that the signal is being sent but for some reason it don't look like it's being received unless I hold the key it down for a few seconds. Now on my Harmony and all my other remotes for that matter just taping the key gets the job done. Just wondering if I got a bad one because this is kind of frustrating having to repeat these keystrokes so often. Anyone else experiencing this. Thanks!!

Tom j.

Can you be more specific?

Are these X10 signals or IR signals and if IR, are they built-in or learned?

Hi thanks! These are IR signal going to my DVR, no hesitation with any of my other remotes think I got a bad one? I mean sometimes it takes two and on rare occasions three presses to execute a command. Thanks

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Dr.Fiero on August 16, 2010, 12:41:40 PM
Mine showed up today (minutes ago).

From everything I've read though....  my eager anticipation level has really dropped!  :(

I'll let ya'll know what's up with it in a while (no - I didn't put it back in the box - yet.  Ha ha)
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: J.B. on August 16, 2010, 12:42:08 PM
Try going to Home/Setup/More/Advanced/Options and change the key transmit time. You may have to play around a bit but it may help solve your problem.
Another thing you may want to try, if you are learning these commands from another remote, try different placements with the remote you are learning from. Slight adjustment in the angle you hold a remote while learning can have a big impact on how it will respond.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: ellliot on August 16, 2010, 06:39:08 PM
Got mine today. Key layout is better, side keys are much better, OK key is terrible! Was much better on the ICON...
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 16, 2010, 07:12:48 PM
Try going to Home/Setup/More/Advanced/Options and change the key transmit time. You may have to play around a bit but it may help solve your problem.
Another thing you may want to try, if you are learning these commands from another remote, try different placements with the remote you are learning from. Slight adjustment in the angle you hold a remote while learning can have a big impact on how it will respond.

Say thanks got to give you a point for this one weather it works or not, where did you see that in the manual? I was looking for something like that I have that feature on my Harmony but I didn't see it maybe I just over looked it. Thanks!!

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 16, 2010, 07:20:07 PM
Page 43 Advanced Settings.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 16, 2010, 07:20:57 PM
Try going to Home/Setup/More/Advanced/Options and change the key transmit time. You may have to play around a bit but it may help solve your problem.
Another thing you may want to try, if you are learning these commands from another remote, try different placements with the remote you are learning from. Slight adjustment in the angle you hold a remote while learning can have a big impact on how it will respond.

Say would moving it more to the right increase the transmit time? Haven't seen a different yet. Thanks

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 16, 2010, 07:22:20 PM
Page 43 Advanced Settings.

Just saw your note will look maybe they explain how to adjust this. Thanks

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: J.B. on August 16, 2010, 07:27:07 PM
From what I'm reading now, it appears I may have slightly missed the head of the nail. "Key Transmit Time changes the delay between digits when sending favorites, e.g., 1𤖬. This can be used in situations
where the channels are not accepted by the set-top box."
It appears it might only be for the use of channel numbers programmed under favorites.  B:(
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 16, 2010, 07:27:25 PM
Well this didn't help but I did learn about the backlighting which I was also looking for. JB if you just tap the remote for say Info or Guide will it respond immediately or does it ever require an addition press of the button.

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: J.B. on August 16, 2010, 07:30:01 PM
The only thing I've noticed is that if the back lighting has turned off on the LCD, you have to hit the key a second time to send a command.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: nybuck on August 16, 2010, 07:52:57 PM
That makes sense.....  Like a cell phone -
First tap wakes it up, second press sends the command...   -:)
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on August 16, 2010, 09:13:22 PM
From my experience, mostly only buttons that involve being able to read from the LCD display require two presses when the display is dark.

Stuff like mute, volume, channel, etc.  will generally send the signal and light the display at the same time.
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Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: ellliot on August 17, 2010, 11:36:27 AM
After using it for a day, it is an ergonomic disaster compared with its predecessor ICON remote.! I use it primarily with a cable DVR. The only good thing about it is the bigger, softer side keys. They made the transport keys (play, stop, pause, rewind, FF, record, replay and advance) smaller and closer together, almost impossible to use. The OK key and the 4 arrow keys around it are run together with no spacing. OK has a terrible feel. Moving the volume and channel keys away was a minor improvement.
I have to say that the ICON, even with its poor layout, is a much more comfortable and easier to use remote. I will dispose of the Nstinct ASAP....

I need to clarify. I use a remote by holding it in one hand and pressing keys with my thumb. This is most definitely a 2 handed remote!
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: JeffVolp on August 17, 2010, 12:57:27 PM
They made the transport keys (play, stop, pause, rewind, FF, record, replay and advance) smaller and closer together, almost impossible to use. The OK key and the 4 arrow keys around it are run together with no spacing. OK has a terrible feel. Moving the volume and channel keys away was a minor improvement.

Totally agree.  I ordered the orignal, and they shipped this in its place.  Too bad the original is no more...

Jeff
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: J.B. on August 17, 2010, 01:10:49 PM
Is it just me, or does the "All Rooms" button, below the mute/All Units Off button, do nothing on the Nstinct?
I checked the manual but do not see any reference to this button and it's function (which should be self explanatory)


Just an update. I just contacted customer service (if you can call some of them that) It appears the 3 Nstincts I received are ALL defective.
One would display only a white screen while the other 2 did work, the all rooms button does not. It appears to be a firmware issue on this run.
Under the battery compartment, on a small white rectangular sticker, the code is XT040. The date code (round sticker found on the battery cover) is 10G30. Anyone who has recently received one of these with these codes may want to check the function of their "all rooms" button if using any x10 modules with the remote.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: nybuck on August 17, 2010, 09:36:30 PM
They made the transport keys (play, stop, pause, rewind, FF, record, replay and advance) smaller and closer together, almost impossible to use. The OK key and the 4 arrow keys around it are run together with no spacing. OK has a terrible feel. Moving the volume and channel keys away was a minor improvement.

Totally agree.  I ordered the orignal, and they shipped this in its place.  Too bad the original is no more...

Jeff

The scalpers are already hawking the IconRemote RF on Ebay for $55 and up...  They must know people like the buttons   :'
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: JeffVolp on August 17, 2010, 10:57:45 PM

Is this a beta test again?   Yes, the new ALL ROOMS button doesn't seem to do anything on this one either (10G30).  However, the FAVORITE/ROOMS button does pull up All Rooms.  Since ALL ROOMS wasn't on the prior version, it really isn't a big deal for me.

So far it seems to work fine, but I've only scratched the surface of its functionality.  I like the fact that the volume and channel rockers now also have the appropriate X10 labels.

Jeff
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on August 18, 2010, 12:58:30 AM
Mine's XT040, and I'll be darned if the All Rooms button doesn't work either!   :o

I probably never would have noticed if someone hadn't mentioned it though.   rofl

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Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Dr.Fiero on August 18, 2010, 11:07:24 AM
Well, two notes....

One:
The BEST FEATURE I've found on this unit so far?  The fact that it was only $30, so I don't feel too ripped off.  ;)

Two:
The "All Rooms" mystery button IS doing something! 
Can't tell you what, but it all modes except X10, it's xmitting an IR signal.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: J.B. on August 18, 2010, 12:57:20 PM
I did notice it was sending an IR command in some modes. When I spoke with customer service, they informed me, it is in fact supposed to be a working all rooms button and that I would have to return these for replacement.
Yet another X10 "oops" pushing a product before it is thoroughly tested.
Luckily, I still have 2 IR32As.

I do like that I am able to setup my AC without using the learning feature under HVAC on the Nstinct.
HVAC wasn't an option on the Icon RF and I had to teach it the commands.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: brother on August 18, 2010, 02:23:42 PM
I found indeed it was easy to set up the ICONS, but the inst. man. was terrible in defining how to "integrate" various devices. I still don't know how to turn off the tv and dvr at the same time, yet, the tv is plugged into the Time Warner DVR box (made by Scientific American)...so, I am about ready to send it BACK!

brother  >*<
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Hugh W on August 18, 2010, 03:29:12 PM
I have all the individual components with the Quick Power working.   But I would like to use the main Power button to Turn on the Cable, Audio and TV.  Right now it just turns on the Cable box.

Last night the Favorites were working - today they do not - they transmit, but the channel does not change.  Channel up and down work and I can manually type in the channel using the number keys.   - Thoughts?
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 18, 2010, 07:31:13 PM
The only thing I've noticed is that if the back lighting has turned off on the LCD, you have to hit the key a second time to send a command.

Hi I've noticed that to. Although that's not the case with my Harmony. I can accept that but after it's awake can you just tap the key once to send a command.  ???


Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 18, 2010, 07:34:55 PM
That makes sense.....  Like a cell phone -
First tap wakes it up, second press sends the command...   -:)

Just noticed if you just hold the key a little longer it will send the command even when the back lighting is off try it just hold the key until it transmits the command.

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on August 21, 2010, 11:07:15 AM
Hay just requested an RMA for an exchange and there's something else I've noticed when I go into the X10 mode and use the lights on off command everything works fine when I use the dim 20% nothing, maybe it's something I'm not doing or maybe I really got a bad one anyone try these. Thanks

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Dr.Fiero on August 21, 2010, 03:11:55 PM
when I go into the X10 mode and use the lights on off command everything works fine when I use the dim 20% nothing ... one anyone try these.

Just tried it.  Sorry to say - it works fine.
The math is off (shouldn't be able to dim/bright 120% with 6 taps!) but other than that...

One thing I did notice, was that numerous buttons didn't work at first until I smacked them down pretty hard a few times.
As I've been using it more, they're behaving better.  Intimidation?  ;)
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: ellliot on August 22, 2010, 12:46:19 AM
"One thing I did notice, was that numerous buttons didn't work at first until I smacked them down pretty hard a few times."

Ditto that...

Did not help the OK button though...
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: dave w on August 22, 2010, 06:31:33 PM
"One thing I did notice, was that numerous buttons didn't work at first until I smacked them down pretty hard a few times."

Ditto that...

Did not help the OK button though...

They are those soft spongy conductive elastomer buttons, aren't they? ...garbage. Especially if finger oils gets on the conductive portion during assembaly.  B:(
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: birdzeye on August 23, 2010, 04:33:58 PM
OK so what's the final verdict here on the Nstinct remote? Is it alright, or should it have been named Xtinct, because it may go the way of the dinosaurs?

I'm considering buying one.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: J.B. on August 23, 2010, 05:15:45 PM
Overall button placement on the Nstinct I like over the Icon RF. I do, however, prefer the feel of a lot of the buttons on the Icon. One of the biggest being the ok button is much better on the Icon, IMO.
For a $30 remote, I really can't complain other than the physical All Rooms button not being coded properly. I'll see if my replacements fix this issue.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: dave w on August 23, 2010, 07:42:41 PM
OK so what's the final verdict here on the Nstinct remote? Is it alright, or should it have been named Xtinct, because it may go the way of the dinosaurs?

I'm considering buying one.
Yes, for the price, get one. I just have a bias against conductive elastomer buttons.

Pay no attention to the geezer behind the curtain.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: nybuck on August 24, 2010, 03:53:41 PM
Personally, I am kicking myself that I didn't grab an IconRemote RF for $29.99 in their last days - When all of us were speculating that a new remote Had to be coming out.....   B:(
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: JeffVolp on August 24, 2010, 03:57:08 PM
Personally, I am kicking myself that I didn't grab an IconRemote RF for $29.99 in their last days - When all of us were speculating that a new remote Had to be coming out.....

I did order another Icon RF, but after a delay they shipped me the Nstinct instead.  I guess I was too late...

Jeff
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: J.B. on August 24, 2010, 06:37:05 PM
As far as I can tell, this is current:

http://www.x10.com/promotions/ir32a_ch_2999_0629_tag.html
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: nybuck on August 24, 2010, 07:16:49 PM
As far as I can tell, this is current:

http://www.x10.com/promotions/ir32a_ch_2999_0629_tag.html

...and this one from today's newsletter: 
http://www.x10.com/promotions/ir32a_remote_lowest_price_ever.html (http://www.x10.com/promotions/ir32a_remote_lowest_price_ever.html)

...boasting the IconRemote RF at the LOWEST PRICE EVER!  $49.99!!   ???

When I called they said they were out of them, and substituting the N-Stink   :(
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 24, 2010, 07:23:59 PM
How about the original IR10A for $69.99  ???
http://www.x10.com/promotions/ir10a_em_ppt_6999_home.html

They are pushing the Nstinct. Ever few seconds a pop up is pushing it and it semiblackouts the sales screen. Until you say NO for who knows how many times.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: smf4ever on August 25, 2010, 08:25:36 AM
My review from a person that has never used any previous universal nor X10 remotes.

The feel of this remote isnt horrible. i can manage using a 1 handed usage for most of the things i use it for. (Dish, TV, DVD, X10). I find the mode switching to sometimes be a bit of a pain. The control buttons used for the DVR are quite crampped and I have had a few minor issues with key lag (press it.... than something happens). Overall I think this is a good product.

what I hate....  the OK button. as it is in the bottom of the crater of keypad.. it is not the easiest to hit without pressing a direction command at the same time. If this button was more rounded up.. rather than sunken, i think it would not be a problem.

would I get another one of these remotes? yea. This one remote is still easier than managing the 3 I would have to to get the functionallity.

I still might goto 2 remotes (1 Dish remote.. and this one for TV/DVD/sometimes dish).

Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: J.B. on August 25, 2010, 11:49:33 AM
Just curious, has anyone received one of these remotes that has a working "All Rooms" button? I'm presently waiting for my cross shipment of 3 Nstincts and am a bit worried I will receive more with the same issues.  If someone has one with the all rooms button below the mute button working, would you mind posting the date code found under the battery cover?
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: birdzeye on August 25, 2010, 03:09:25 PM
Today's newsletter is advertising the Icon Remote cert-like-new.

Any takers?
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 25, 2010, 04:08:35 PM
I find it interesting that the manual for the Nstinct has no information on pages 6-7 for the All Rooms button but says push His or Hers Favorites button twice to access the X10 modules in All Rooms?

Maybe the button has no function at present.

If anyone has one that does work. In the first screen of the help screens. Please make note of the firmware version displayed.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: peacefulwarrior on August 25, 2010, 08:57:40 PM
Hi,

I seem to be having problems controlling X10 devices with my IR34A remote.  I followed the instructions in the manual (basically created a room with a light (A1) and a TM751 in it (the house code for the TM751 is A.  Both devices are physically in the same room although I don't see why it should matter i.e. shouldn't I be able to control devices using RF from other rooms too thru the same TM751?

Anyway, it shows green arrows when I try to control the light but nothing happens.  I am able to turn the lights on/off using the same RF controller with my old harmony remote so I know that there must be something wrong either with this new remote or the way I have it setup. 

Is there anything obvious that I am missing?

thanks!
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 26, 2010, 06:04:58 AM
Are you using a TM751 with the Harmony or a different X10 controller like a IR543?
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: peacefulwarrior on August 26, 2010, 09:02:43 AM
Hi,

thanks for the response, On the Harmony I am sending IR commands to an IR command center (the flat little box with the 4 buttons on top plus all lights on/off).  So, I guess this means that I never go to RF with the harmony but the RF transmitter does work.  I confirmed it is a TM751 and I can turn lights on/off thru RF using an X-10 RT504 remote.  The house code is set to A.

thanks again!
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: peacefulwarrior on August 26, 2010, 09:28:51 AM
Ok, I played with it some more...  I deleted the TM751 from all of the rooms but yet when I try to control an X10 device I still see the green indicator (indicating that it is sending RF and not IR).    So, the bottom line is I really can't tell how the device is supposed to know when to xmit RF vs IR. 

I also see some strangeness with respect to the indicator at the bottom.  Occasionally I have gone to control X10 devices and at the bottom of the color screen it has said DVR but I don't have a clue why...  There are other things about this remote that one supposedly can setup in 3 minutes that I still don't understand but it is certainly not less complex than my harmony (and it is an old harmony) and more importantly I have still not been able to get this remote to do even some of the basic functions that I could easily do with the Harmony (such as tell it that I want audio to be controlled thru my stereo while I am watching the DVR).  I'm sure you can probably do this but in my case it doesn't seem to recognize my Onkyo receiver which is kind of crazy and unfortuantely I lost the remote for the onkyo so I can't train it except possibly using the Harmony which seems kind of silly. 

There are some buttons that do not work reliably on the harmony and it was getting kind of long in the tooth and I thought the big color screen would be a plus but at this point I am pretty much with some others who have concluded that at $37 at least I didn't waste too much $.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 26, 2010, 12:37:03 PM
Look at page 47 of the manual. You have to change a device code to use X10 IR over the RF default.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: peacefulwarrior on August 26, 2010, 09:34:25 PM
I still totally don't get it...  I can figure out how to enter "AUX" mode to set the device code to 0999  I created a new device "CD" and set the device code for that device to 0999 but then could not figure out how to enter a lamp code.  Help!!  This is certainly not intutive.  I read both pages 47 and 43 multiple times but still don't get it.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: peacefulwarrior on August 26, 2010, 10:17:07 PM
OK, I talked to the support people for about 45 minutes.  For some reason my remote probably isn't sending RF commands so they are doing an RMA.  Also for some reason the "AUX" device doesn't exist on my remote.  Also, the manual says that if you want to send IR commands to X10 devices you use device code 0999 but it is wrong it is device code 0998!  Ultimately once I created a "CD" device with device code 0998 I was able to turn lights on an off using my IR X10 controller but fundamentally the whole exercise was pretty much a waste of time as I still don't seem to be able to do some of the most basic functions I took for granted with my harmony remote.  specifically I don't have a way to tell the remote that when watching TV I want to turn on the TV, DVR and Stereo and that I want the audio to be controlled by the Onkio receiver and the pause, rewind and channel buttons to work with my DVR.  I guess I could "learn" the TV mode to blend these comands together but obviously that will take way more than 3 minutes!!!
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on August 27, 2010, 12:30:04 AM
... [in TV mode] I want the audio to be controlled by the Onkio receiver and the pause, rewind and channel buttons to work with my DVR...

Setup - More - Advanced - Punchthrough  ;)

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Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on August 27, 2010, 06:38:51 AM
Wonderful. The manual has the incorrect IR code.  B:(
Gee I thought that was also the case with another one of the X10 remotes.  :(
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: nybuck on August 27, 2010, 09:17:23 PM
Wonderful. The manual has the incorrect IR code.  B:(
Gee I thought that was also the case with another one of the X10 remotes.  :(

Maybe 0998 in Chinese is 0999?   rofl
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: birdzeye on September 02, 2010, 10:21:32 PM
I just got my Nstinct remote, and after about 48 hours, I've got it working. I'm having problems with FAVOURITES. When I press the button for the Favourite TV channel (3digit channel) I want, it quite often never selects the 3 digits in their proper order. Sometimes it only selects 1 or 2 digits. Very frustrating! I've found that you have to point the Nstinct at a very precise location sometimes to get the Favourite TV channel to connect.

And why is there no logo for SPACE CHANNEL??? Considering 90% of the people who are buying this gadget are kinda geeky, you'd think they'd have SPACE channel logo as the first choice on the selection of options. Instead, I have to suffice with the SCIFI logo.

The buttons are not in a great location either, especially for selecting Favourites, since they're all at the top and on the sides which makes them difficult to press. I have to use both hands.

Macros anyone? I still haven't gotten there yet, and after reading the "instructions" several times am not sure I want to go there.

All in all, it seems pretty good for most of the stuff that's on it, especially the x10 stuff, and for the price I can forgive myself for buying it. But I have to say that I was looking forward to the FAVOURITES part and that ain't great.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on September 02, 2010, 11:30:01 PM
I'm having problems with FAVOURITES. When I press the button for the Favourite TV channel (3digit channel) I want, it quite often never selects the 3 digits in their proper order. Sometimes it only selects 1 or 2 digits. Very frustrating!

You might try adjusting the "Key Transmit Time".
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: birdzeye on September 04, 2010, 08:29:50 AM
You might try adjusting the "Key Transmit Time".

Thanks for the tip. I adjusted it, but the remote still has a difficult time getting the sequence of numbers right. Sometimes it only picks one digit, and it's not even one of the digits that's in the channel number!! Very unreliable in this regard, and it's easier and faster to just select "Satellite>Guide>choose channel>OK" than to use Favourites.
Do you think my remote could be faulty? Should I return it for another one, or have any other people been experiencing this issue?
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: lasermn on October 03, 2010, 05:56:50 PM
Save your boxes & all packaging material....you'll need it IF you want to return the remote

In less than 3 days one of the sidebar buttons on the left side, middle button, stopped working

I called customer support with a request to return it for a replacement.  I was told an RA # would be emailed to me, 

My request was via phone to customer service on Thursday 30 Sep 2010.  To date, 3 Oct 2010, I've still not received an email in reply to my request for an RA# & instructions to return it for a replacement. 

Is anyone else having problems getting RA#, from customer service?

Is anyone else having problems with the REMOTE, after using it a few days?

10.14.2010......I finally rec'd an RMA # via email 5 days after I'd originally requested it.
Today, I received an email telling me they rec'd my defective remote & were sending me a replacement.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on October 03, 2010, 06:06:44 PM
You can try this link if they don't get back to you.
http://www.x10.com/support/forms/warranty_exchange_request.htm
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: J.B. on October 03, 2010, 06:38:03 PM
Quote
Is anyone else having problems getting RA#, from customer service?


I've had this take a fair amount of time before.
They normally recommend you check your junk mail to ensure the RMA email didn't end up there.
I've never had this happen, but have read where people have.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on October 03, 2010, 06:43:55 PM
In earlier days when the newsletters came multiple times a day. Many ISPs automatically flagged an X10 messages as Spam.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: nybuck on October 03, 2010, 09:48:46 PM
In earlier days when the newsletters came multiple times a day. Many ISPs automatically flagged an X10 messages as Spam.


When you say they sent multiple messages a day in "earlier days"...  You mean like earlier this week?   B:(
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on October 03, 2010, 10:15:29 PM
In earlier days when the newsletters came multiple times a day. Many ISPs automatically flagged an X10 messages as Spam.


When you say they sent multiple messages a day in "earlier days"...  You mean like earlier this week?   B:(

 rofl  I was thinking the same thing!   rofl

 >!
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brandt on October 04, 2010, 12:35:16 AM
X10 is sending me a free Nstinct remote, and all I have to do is write a review about it.

Alas, I don't think the remote will work for me because I don't use TM751/RR501's I have a w800usb that I run to a linux computer running Heyu. I don't think these remotes are characterized in Heyu.

Also, the Dish Network DVR uses an RF remote not an IR remote. It sounds like the Nstinct only uses RF for X10 and IR for a/v devices.

thoughts?
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brian H on October 04, 2010, 06:14:06 AM
I turned off all the newsletters.
So maybe the frequency has again increased.

When I want to look at it. I can manually from the sales page.
NStinct and Name Your Own Price Pop-Ups and all.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: nybuck on October 04, 2010, 01:31:33 PM
When I want to look at it. I can manually from the sales page.
NStinct and Name Your Own Price Pop-Ups and all.

Yes - the pop-ups, complete with darkening the main page, and "follow-me" option, included at no extra charge!   B:(
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: J.B. on October 04, 2010, 01:57:09 PM
Even with an ad blocker I get the pop-ups, only they are a blank white box with no image.
They also just called me to try and sell me MORE NStinct remotes.  >*<
Too bad they don't check the order history before hand.
Like 6 of them isn't enough now....Although, several were ordered for other people.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: nybuck on October 04, 2010, 02:16:09 PM
Yes - They have called me in the past and said something like "We saw you looked at the Vanguard page.  Do you have any questions about it?  Can we sell you one?"

I guess they see my IP address visited a page, and then they look through past sales records and call me.  It was great when they woke my baby and tried to sell me things, even though I make orders regularly.  Thankfully I made myself clear not to call me any more.   :-\

To top it off, the only reason I went to that page is that it said "Click here for our super-low price!"   B:(
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brandt on October 08, 2010, 02:24:59 AM
It won't work with my Sony playstation 3 that I use for blu ray movies. That uses bluetooth. Also can't get it to work for my dish network sat/dvr box.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: anthonylavado on October 08, 2010, 01:54:55 PM
It won't work with my Sony playstation 3 that I use for blu ray movies. That uses bluetooth. Also can't get it to work for my dish network sat/dvr box.
Yeah, I have a Harmony for my HT setup, and if I wanted it to control the PS3, I'd have to get the IR to Bluetooth bridge that Logitech sells. It was cheaper just to live with the PS3 Bluetooth Blu-Ray Remote.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brandt on October 08, 2010, 03:09:39 PM
Looks the the Dish Network DVR has both UHF and IR modes for remotes. I'll have to figure out how to switch it. And for the PS3 there looks to be a few 3rd party solutions...just need to sort through them...
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brandt on October 09, 2010, 01:27:03 AM
Ok the Dish Network DVR is currently place behind the TV out of view and uses the UHF remote. I don't want to move the DVR, and I don't want a wireless IR repeater. The DVR would need like a 1 foot stick on IR repeater cable of some sort to peak around the TV, but they don't seem to exist  :'(

Also the play station 3 would need an IR to BT converter, which doesn't really seem worth it to me either...

It seems like the cost of the IR repeater and the IRBT converter would cost more than the remote itself making it not worth it...

Basically the remote doesn't seem to have a home in the living room  :'(
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on October 20, 2010, 01:03:47 PM
Looks the the Dish Network DVR has both UHF and IR modes for remotes. I'll have to figure out how to switch it. And for the PS3 there looks to be a few 3rd party solutions...just need to sort through them...

Say thanks I didn't know that! were do you find the codes I have a older box.  ;D

Tom J.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: Brandt on October 20, 2010, 03:26:11 PM
You have to remove the battery cover on the remote, and flip over the token that says UHF Pro from gray to black side up. Then the remote will send IR, and you use that to LEARN your Nstinct remote  :'
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on October 28, 2010, 08:18:43 PM
You know I really think this remote has tremendous possibilities! on the positive side I like the key layout much better on the newer version, never liked the rew and fwd keys so far down. But just wondering anyone agree it just a little heavy, also wish it was a bit slimmer to.  ???  -:)

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: J.B. on October 28, 2010, 08:57:53 PM
I agree, the layout is more my thing on the Nstinct, though I do like the feel of the OK button on the Icon better.
The remote is fairly hefty, but I normally don't find it a big issue. It does make for a few keys being slightly awkward to hit sometimes.
One thing I wouldn't mind is to have the buttons back-lit on it.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on October 29, 2010, 08:12:18 PM
I agree, the layout is more my thing on the Nstinct, though I do like the feel of the OK button on the Icon better.
The remote is fairly hefty, but I normally don't find it a big issue. It does make for a few keys being slightly awkward to hit sometimes.
One thing I wouldn't mind is to have the buttons back-lit on it.

Hi thanks for your thoughts think I might start a thread on making it even better, I actually would like those keys FF Rew moved up a little more like on my Harmony 550 ever seen one of those? and how about the color I actually think I like the color on the older model better what about you.  ???

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: J.B. on October 29, 2010, 08:24:04 PM
I haven't actually used a Harmony remote.  :'
I think some of the keys would feel a bit more comfortable if the Nstinct was slightly narrower.
I think the color makes the icon look less "cheap" and the white buttons on the Nstinct are a big part in why it looks cheaper for me.
The side buttons I actually prefer on the Nstinct even though they are a harder plastic and not a softer rubberized button like the Icon.
For a $30 remote though, I can't complain too much.
The Nstinct is easily worth $30 to me.  >!
I also REALLY wish they had left the mini USB connector a part of the remote and allowed firmware updates for any fixes and channel icon updates for new channels, as well as a backup of your settings that would allow you to "clone" to any additional x10 icon type remotes you may own.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on November 13, 2010, 12:15:06 PM
I haven't actually used a Harmony remote.  :'
I think some of the keys would feel a bit more comfortable if the Nstinct was slightly narrower.
I think the color makes the icon look less "cheap" and the white buttons on the Nstinct are a big part in why it looks cheaper for me.
The side buttons I actually prefer on the Nstinct even though they are a harder plastic and not a softer rubberized button like the Icon.
For a $30 remote though, I can't complain too much.
The Nstinct is easily worth $30 to me.  >!
I also REALLY wish they had left the mini USB connector a part of the remote and allowed firmware updates for any fixes and channel icon updates for new channels, as well as a backup of your settings that would allow you to "clone" to any additional x10 icon type remotes you may own.

Hi J.B. yep I agree the color combination does give it a kind of cheap look. I would also like to see it a little slimmer I think it would look better and also would be more comfortable to use. I also think this unit is a little on the hefty side weighing in a a whooping 8.45 ounces which is considerably heaver then my Harmony, actually that's heavier then some small handguns. ;D I also think they could have moved the Fwd and Rew key up a little the reason I didn't buy the first model was that they placed those keys way at the bottom. I would also like to see more dedicated DVR keys as well. This unit really does have tremendous potential but I would just like to see these improvements. Probably will set that post up in a few days hoping you will participate.

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: tom j on November 14, 2010, 11:15:43 PM
Just got my replacement for the first one I received, that one was defective had to press the buttons twice to send just one command, for example if I pressed guide for my DVR I would have to press two times before it would come up, so I really couldn't enjoy the remote. What attracted me to it was the icons surprised my expensive Harmony has not offered this but in time I'm sure they will. The Harmony has a better key layout and dedicated DVR keys but this one is growing on me actually starting to reach for it over the Harmony. I actually bought it because I sat on my 550  B:( and just wanted something to use until I got it back, but now when I do with x10 support I actually might not be using it as much as I thought. The Harmony does however offer me complete control of everything  were the Nstinct just offers basic operation for example the Harmony supports all the functions that my TV remote has for adjusting the picture to selecting the HDMI video inputs.

 Now you can tell the Harmony is higher quality by the feel of the keys they don't creak and are just more refined but with some minor improvements this thing could easily sell for 2x as much and give Harmony a little run for their money. It would have to be a little smaller this one is really just two wide and lighter actually the Icon Lite is a PERFECT size I think, and the keys would have to be rearranged I actually think for DVR owners Harmony has the best layout everything just were you would want it plus it extremely lite and attractive but it's actually harder to program for x10. It would really be nice if there was a really expensive looking sexy remote that you could show off your x10 home automation equipment well we ain't there yet but like I said this thing has possibilities. What do you think?? Hopefully x10 is listening.

Tom j.
Title: Re: New Nstinct Remote
Post by: leithalweapon on January 23, 2011, 11:21:19 AM
It's a $25 remote that learns and has X10 RF capabilities. It works pretty good. I have dropped mine from several feet onto a hardwood floor multiple times and it still works.It does use batteries like crazy, but I use the x10RF a lot.

The only thing It doesn't do is blue tooth for a playstation 3.