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🔌General Home Automation => Automating Your House => Topic started by: alegon on August 14, 2010, 10:57:48 AM

Title: KEYPAD TO X10
Post by: alegon on August 14, 2010, 10:57:48 AM
I need a keypad that fits in a 4x4 box that controls more than three modules. Anyone know of any that work with x10?
Title: Re: KEYPAD TO X10
Post by: dave w on August 14, 2010, 02:58:09 PM
What do you mean by a "Keypad"..like a numeric keypad?

Maybe fit one of these? http://www.x10.com/promotions/kr22a_4f1_si.html
Title: Re: KEYPAD TO X10
Post by: HA Dave on August 14, 2010, 07:09:56 PM
What do you mean by a "Keypad"..like a numeric keypad?
Maybe fit one of these? http://www.x10.com/promotions/kr22a_4f1_si.html
He also mentioned a 4X4 box... could be thinking a wall mounted, switch replacement keypad:  http://www.smarthome.com/2486DWH8/KeypadLinc-Dimmer-INSTEON-8-Button-Scene-Control-Keypad-with-Dimmer-White/p.aspx 
Title: Re: KEYPAD TO X10
Post by: Brian H on August 14, 2010, 07:34:51 PM
I think the KeypadLinc can only have one Primary X10 address in it as it is an Insteon device.
Title: Re: KEYPAD TO X10
Post by: HA Dave on August 14, 2010, 09:08:39 PM
I think the KeypadLinc can only have one Primary X10 address in it as it is an Insteon device.

Oops... so are there X10 keypads?
Title: Re: KEYPAD TO X10
Post by: Knightrider on August 14, 2010, 11:35:32 PM
I think the KeypadLinc can only have one Primary X10 address in it as it is an Insteon device.

Not sure what Brian H is referring to here.  I use KPL's in the house with all 6 buttons set to different X10 addresses, each on a different HC/UC.  They can be set up so holding the button down also controls the dim function.

IMHO, the KPL's are very versatile and well worth the high $$ price tag for reliability.  Whenever possible,  I always use the KPL wired over the Stick-a-switch rf.

Sometimes you can catch these on ebay for a real good price.


Title: Re: KEYPAD TO X10
Post by: Brian H on August 15, 2010, 06:45:08 AM
You are correct Knightrider. I though only the main on off button set could have an X10 Address. I tested my old revision one and my A and B buttons did take an X10 Address. So I stand corrected on my one X10 address statement.
It maybe time for me to hang up my support shoes and disappear. ???

I have mine mounted in a tabletop case.
http://www.smarthome.com/2402WH/Tabletop-Enclosure-for-KeypadLinc-White/p.aspx
Title: Re: KEYPAD TO X10
Post by: HA Dave on August 15, 2010, 09:29:26 AM
.....It maybe time for me to hang up my support shoes and disappear. ???

Please.... don't think that for even a second. Your knowledge and wisdom is a valuable asset to this forum.... as well as the entire Home Automation Community.
Title: Re: KEYPAD TO X10
Post by: Knightrider on August 15, 2010, 10:12:11 AM
Sorry Brian H,

I have older units and I forgot that they even had ON/OFF buttons.  My older units (have a couple of 6 units and an 8 -- had clear covers on the buttons and I popped them off and printed custom labels)  Each button turns an x10 address on or off with a single press.  These also work great as  monitoring devices as the lights on them react to signal reception.

The KPLs have so much versatility build into them, that any user who set them up may forget the other options.


I certainly didn't mean to rumple any feathers.  Just didn't know what was going on. 

Steven R is using the even newer units with the dimmer/relay built in and really loves them in X10 mode.

I don't think the buttons are so easy to customize these days, and Smarthome makes the buttons up themselves that look way better than mine.
Title: Re: KEYPAD TO X10
Post by: Brian H on August 15, 2010, 10:27:27 AM
You did not ruffle any feathers. I did that myself. With a 100% incorrect statement.

Mine is a hardware revision 1.4.
They don't even have a manual on line for the V1.4s. They start at V1.5.  ???
Mine came with both the six and eight button sets; along with trim pieces.
Also a set of preprinted inserts that fit in the nice snap off clear tops.
Now you pay more and get less.  :'
Title: Re: KEYPAD TO X10
Post by: alegon on August 19, 2010, 06:01:38 AM
Thanks everyone I'll get one KeypadLinc. I'm looking on ebay a supplier to Brazil
Title: My keypadLinc not work
Post by: alegon on October 30, 2010, 02:12:53 PM
My keypadLinc not work. I made the connection in a lamp grip to Main button on/off nothing happens.
I tested and found to have energy arriving on the red wire.
I did something wrong?

Look at the picture of the circuit that I created to test  --> http://www.siatron.com.br/KeypadLinc.JPG

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Title: Re: KEYPAD TO X10
Post by: Brian H on October 30, 2010, 02:40:29 PM
Is the light bulb in the photo the one you are trying to control?

Where does the red wire in the photo go? I don't see it connected to anything.
Title: Re: KEYPAD TO X10
Post by: alegon on October 31, 2010, 06:16:59 AM
Yes I'm trying to light the lamp
The red wire comes from the power grid is the positive
The white wire is neutral

I changed the Picture
Watch now  http://www.siatron.com.br/KeypadLincError.jpg
Title: Re: KEYPAD TO X10
Post by: Brian H on October 31, 2010, 10:20:40 AM
You have the red and black wires from the KeypadLinc backwards.
The red one from your power grid should go to the KeypadLinc's Black Line Input.
The the KeypadLinc's red load wire should go to the lamp.
Neutral looks OK as it goes to both the KeypadLinc's white and the lamp.
http://wiki.smarthome.com/index.php?title=2486D_Manual
Title: Re: KEYPAD TO X10
Post by: alegon on October 31, 2010, 01:09:16 PM
You're right, I swapped the cables
It worked fine now I'll test modules with x10

Happy Halloween :)%
Title: Re: KEYPAD TO X10
Post by: Brian H on October 31, 2010, 02:47:53 PM
That is good news.
I am glad it is now functioning.
Title: Re: KEYPAD TO X10
Post by: dbemowsk on October 31, 2010, 10:48:36 PM
DOn't forget about the X10 XPT switches.  Though they have one main set X10 address with the others being in sequence (e.g. switch set to A1 means firs switch is A1, second A2, etc...) the price is reasonable, and to control other H/U codes, all you need is a transitioning macro that triggers on one H/U code and activates whatever other H/U code you want.  You can fit two of these in a 4x4 (dual gang) box.   As far as price, you can get 3 of the XPT set ups (3 - XPT transmitters and 3 - 4 unit on off keypads) for less than one of the keypadlincs.  Not to mention you have the option of getting other keypad configurations to fit the main transmitter giving you a little more flexibility. 

While I do realize the extra flexibility of the keypadlinc switches may be worth the $$$ for some, but for those that are looking to go a little cheaper, the XPTs are great for their price.  I have a few XPTs installed and I love them.