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Title: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on February 04, 2011, 10:17:34 AM
Many regulars here know I've been working on a Log home as a retirement home which is totally off grid.
This has produced some challenges but once I had a pure sinewave inverter installed it made X10 possible.

Current setup:
Stand alone controllers:

Plugins: none in use as I move to a Raspberry Pi setup
Computers:
Addons: Currently these are only used while I'm Programing as the CM15A runs connected to the Pi 
Other Programs: These are used to control X10 and other protocols from my pi

TRANSMITTERS-WIRELESS:

CAMERAS:
 - cam anywhere(no longer in use)
 - non X10 flood type with built in SD card to monitor the vegetable garden and scare of would be pests during growing season
 - Bushnell Trail Camera (monitors mineral lick put out for the deer)
 - EasyN 9outdoor IP camera)
 - Airsight XX60A outdoor PTZ
 -Airsight XX59 indoor
 - X10 linked ball cam



Modules: X10 and other protocol
 - Appliances(AM486)
 - 3 Pin Appliance module (AM466)
 - 1 WS469 switch
 - Wall Receptacle module (PA011)
 - Universal module (UM506)
 - SR751 RF signal repeater (increases RF range to over 200 feet)
 - 3 Wijit RF appliance type modules
 - 1 sonoff Wi-Fi low power control module


MOTION SENSORS:
 - 2 EagleEye (MS14A)(no longer in use)
 


UNIVERSAL REMOTE CONTROLS:
 - Icon Remote (no longer in use)
 -Platinum remote (UR73A)

 

SECURITY:
  -DS7000 Protector Plus Security System
 - Door/Window Sensors
 - Motion sensors MS10A( not in use as I don't want critters triggering the alarm)
 - SH624 & Security Keychain Remotes
 

 

MICELLANEOUS:
 - VCR Commander (no longer in use, the linked camera has a micoSD card)
 - EasyBulb Wi-Fi LED lights
 - XTBM Signal analyzer
 - Amazon Dot
 - Brodlink RM






Additional Notes:


Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on February 04, 2011, 11:01:24 AM
The House is a log home I've been working on for over 10 years and did most of the work myself!
I utilized a horse to drag the logs out of the bush and used ropes and pulleys to get the logs in place.
Since this is totally off Grid I'm using solar panels for most of my power although I do have a small 400 watt wind generator.
I've just installed a Back up generator which was specially designed for off grid applications ( I really need this in the winter) to help with long periods of no sun.

The main X10 part of this setup is the DS7000 Which I posted about here in Topic: Security for Remote Places  (Read 52155 times) (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=12114.0)
Since I had a phone line run in underground notification of an alarm was a simple add.

Internet I figured would be a slow dial up connection or maybe a wireless connection as the neighbour has that.
As it turns out I'm close enough that I can get a DSL connection which ends up being just as fast as the wireless but more reliable.
I got a modem wireless router combo as the fewer things plugged in the better (solar issue).
Getting out my killoWatt meter I soon found the modem was using more power than I wished it to.
In fact there are a few things that are like this.
Enter X10!
X10 doesn't save me on power costs as I have none during the sunny months (generator fuel costs have yet to be determined)
During the day time hours I usually produce more power then I can use. But I night I'm drawing off my batteries.
X10 modules allow me to automatically turn off devices that I wouldn't be using during none waking hours.
The wireless router modem being one.
The radiant flooring circulating pumps is another place.
The CM15A turns these on and off periodically threw the night the thermostat kicks in the others when and if needed.
I also have the Cm15A turn these on for the weekends and off threw the week for times I'm not there
I haven't got the outside wood furnace setup with X10 (yet).
Since it has Backup fuel capability (propane) I'll be able to trigger this to come on before I get there for a week end or vacation.
Sure X10 modules use a small amount of power but the issue Is to keep the power consumption down as low as possible with out going back to candles.

 Most of the house is set up with led lighting with a few CFLS where lots of light is required so I don't use any lighting modules (Yet).

My X10 camera is embedded in the log work close to a window the window frame covers the camera but a small hole in the trim allows the camera a view of the main floor.
Since all trim was left natural wood and just varathaned  I burnt around the edges of the hole for the camera which made it look like a knot which fell out.
You real have to look to notice there is a camera there. By then I'd have a good full face shot ! rofl
The EagleEye is mounted under the log steps  on the landing so anyone coming up to the main floor is detected and any movement on the main floor is also picked up.
Motion turns on the Cam anywhere and VCR Commander which starts a record sequence.
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Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on February 04, 2011, 07:54:42 PM
Can we comment?  If so, COOL!  javascript:void(0);

We live in a log home 1/2 mile off rd in the middle of 40acres of woods and heat fully with outside wood boiler.  Got electric tho.  keep the descriptions coming!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: lodtrack on February 05, 2011, 07:37:16 AM
Sounds like a labour of love. I have the opposite problem, I have grid power by no landline. After reading your post and tripping through some linked threads, I was pursuing how to get an Internet stick connected laptop (in cell coverage) to have  my cottage security system contact me. What I came across via a linked thread was the ability to use a docked Bluetooth cellphone with a handset to dial out of the cottage. I purchased one from Vtech and will be trying it out this week. I was not able to verify from the online manual whether the security console dials into the unit if it will sense the lack of landline connection and transmit via Bluetooth cell. If it works,for the cost of leaving a prepaid cellphone at the cottage that will dial out infrequently, it could be a good solution to my lack of landline.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on February 05, 2011, 08:07:14 AM
lodtrack  we had originaly thought about using cells for our comunication but the service wasn't steady enough!
If you went out to the fire pit and stood on one leg you'd get a connection. but never long enought to make a call.
I even tried climbing the tower that my wind turbine is on Half way up you could make a call the next day it wouldn't work! B:(
Coverage for wireless internet is good when you can get connected.
 It seems to be getting better and they're talking about puting in another tower so maybe down the road! ::) :'
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Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on September 18, 2011, 01:58:49 PM
Since putting in the back up generator I've been looking at other options to automate.
The backup generator automatically comes on once my battery bank reaches a low point I program in.
The issue with large backup generators is they need a weekly cycle time to keep every thing working smoothly.
The back up generator I have (generac Eco gen) is designed for solar off grid setups and doesn't have a weekly run cycle which can be set.
In fact nowhere in the manual does it state what the minimum weekly run time should be.
My dealer couldn't even tell me (or wouldn't). Contacting the company I requested the min weekly runtime requirement. After a second request I still didn't get the info I was looking for.
However they did state that the non Eco gens required 15 min a week.
Close enough,  I pulled out a universal module and set it up in AHP to run for 15 mins every Sunday evening.
It is just silly running the generator for 1 -2 hours weekly if the batteries are already full.
I figure down the road I can use the smartmacro plugin to set up some flags so the generator will only run on Sunday if a flag is clear thus indicating the generator hasn't run yet that week.

I'm still not sure how I'm going to automate my outside boiler but now that I won't have to worry about low batteries I'l play with some ideas. ;)
I welcome any x10 ideas for this as I know there are a few of you using these outdoor boilers.

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Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on September 23, 2011, 08:36:40 PM
.....
I'm still not sure how I'm going to automate my outside boiler but now that I won't have to worry about low batteries I'l play with some ideas. ;)
I welcome any x10 ideas for this as I know there are a few of you using these outdoor boilers.
 

The 120v used on our Central Boiler out of Greenbush, MN, is for two things:  1) water circulation pump, & 2) small control board that fires solenoid to open air inlet in door to burn when water temp goes <165F, then off at 180F....  I separated these functions so I can leave circ pump on (placed in crawl space under log home) on 24/7, but can sw off the control board and hence the solenoid (24vdc prob 1 amp) that would be on if fire was left off when not there for extended period.  But I would not want to shut off the circ pump in the cold of winter for fear of frozen waterline (500 gallon water jacket around firebox)....  I also bought a indoor/outdoor $ 4.99 temp display at Big Lots for in the house:  outdoor sensor stuck inside insulation around the incoming water pipe, other for room temp - so I can see if fire is going out w/o walking outside.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on September 25, 2011, 05:28:55 PM
Thanks Mike.
I also have my central boiler pump separate.
I don't need to worry about the water freezing as there is antifreeze in the water ( Glycol ).
I also have the dual fuel option but wouldn't wish to run Propane for to long.
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Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on October 06, 2011, 07:03:22 PM
FYI.......  since u brought up using x10 to "control" the outside boiler, I thought, hmmmmm......  maybe in this rally warm weather it may make sense to just shut it off to save fuel (with plenty of fuel in the box);  I turned off both pump and air inlet actuator......  after 20 hours the little vent on top of the outside boiler was spouting steam real pretty like!  I dont know for how long as I saw it in morning after getting up.....  I turned back on both pump/air inlet and water temp was 210F on gauge - hence the boiling and steam out vent.

taught me to not turn off air actuator with pump off or the 500gal water shroud will overheat with the small fire still going from air leakage....

I learned after 7 years of use (its YOUR fault Tuiceman!) to not do this but judge the amount of wood I load in based on upcoming weather instead as I always have....  perhaps if I add TWO appliance modules tho and separate out both functions I can get better........
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on October 07, 2011, 04:34:40 PM
You can't Shut off the furnace with a full box of fuel if water jacket temp is high and not circulate the water.
However I found You can shut the furnace off and keep the curculating pump running
This will slowly reduce the temp in the water jacket as very little air is getting to the fire box.
Since time of year reflects how long it takes to bring down the temperature some things have to be watched carefully.
I've had my furnace smolder away for a week without boiling over and without the circulating pump running.
However the temperature wasn't very high when I initaly turned it all off.
I think this can be automated I just haven't played with it much yet.
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Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on March 31, 2012, 09:42:43 AM
As the weather starts to get nicer I'm agian spending more time here.
With the addition of a new smartphone I added TAC to this setup.
However with my Notebook rarely on using it is limited to while I have it running.

My weekly auto start generator setup needs some tweeking (never had it running during the winter months good thing) noise from the generator causes the shut off signal to be missed.
Not sure if moving the universal modual to another outlet will help but I'm hoping.
I've never had much of a probelm with noise either here or at the city.

I'm still playing with my Foscam it isn't as easy to hide as my X10 but the picture is much clearer and I have more control.
I plan to have it turn on with an alarm trip.
I've set it to send the IP Address on startup as I have DSL.
I may also trigger it to come on once weekly Just to do a check of the place.
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Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on April 03, 2012, 07:45:08 PM
I'm still playing with my Floss IP cam it isn't as easy to hide as my X10 but the picture is much clearer and I have more control.
I plan to have it turn on with an alarm trip.

hmmmm...  how would u turn on with alarm trip  perhaps I have not studied cm15 options enough but i never saw a way to run a routine based on ds7000 or sc1200 trip....  i would be mighty interested in how u did this....

thanks
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on April 03, 2012, 08:06:43 PM
Triggering on ds7000 and sc1200 alarm trips is easy with thirdparty software like x10SW. This is something I can run from my laptop for short periods like while I run to town.
Not the best idea for a remote location with limited winter power. However I plan to play with some other ideas using some modded modules. ;)
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on April 03, 2012, 08:55:32 PM
tnx.  I'll ck out that software.  I know we can mod stuff to get it but just sounded like maybe there was something I missed in cm15  codes....  I have always brought out sonalert sig from ds7000 and now speaker from sc1200 to send thru my in house phone line cable on spare pair for sound in house of the barn/office/garage alarm unit.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on April 04, 2012, 07:49:19 AM
You haven't missed anything that I'm aware of.
Being off grid requires some additional modifications some times.
I sometimes omit those details ::) :'
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Title: Bear alert!
Post by: Tuicemen on September 05, 2012, 07:51:37 PM
I've started a small apple orchard (real small 4-5 trees).
Problem is these trees attract bears when the apples start to get close to picking time.
I lost 1/2 of a tree last year to a bear when it tried to climb the 4 foot high tree.
I have a bushnell trail cam that I set up to photograph the culprit but that wouldn't discourage it.
I needed an alert  to help me catch it before it could do anymore damage.
I orignaly thought I'd use one of my many unused  MS10A security Motion sensors.
I set one up and armed my DS7000  I figured I'd use the MS10a thinking it would allow me the range I needed.
It did work but hearing the alarm at 3 in the morning was a bit to much to get me out of bed as it woke everyone else. Not to mention finding a key flob or remote to unarm at that time of day isn't easy either. ::) :'

I had a few MS14As laying around and a UM506 (universal module).
I attached the sensor to a wooden stake which I was able to move arround to find a sweet spot and repositioned my CM15A so the motion sensor was in range.
I set the UM506 to sound only and continuous (not sure if a momentary trigger would be enough to wake me).
I have a strong spot light which I can shine on the trees and usualy it and a bit of noise will scare off any thing.
The bear hasn't been back since setting this up but I have been woke up by a doe and it's two fawns.(yep they love the apples to but usualy don't do to much damage).
during the day time hours I usualy unplug the UM506 as the ms14a sends lots of false trips with the warm sun on the trees leaves and a small breeze.

I have a crossbow handy as well but this one seems to know I can't use it at night. :(
One Day it will slip up and come out during daylight hours.




Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: HA Dave on September 06, 2012, 12:28:06 AM
The deer do tremendous damage to my landscape here. So I [had] constructed my solar powered remote controlled robot to chase deer.... with no real success. Best of luck.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on September 06, 2012, 08:22:47 AM
Just the scent of my beagel arround keeps most of the wild life at bay.
The dear stay at the outer edge of my landscaping here.
Thought they were in the vegetable garden and cleaned me out of green peppers.
Then they started on the hot ones but think they had to stop to find some water.  rofl
Wish they had tried those first. ::)
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Dan Lawrence on September 06, 2012, 12:54:26 PM
As for the deer, got a gun?  Shoot first, ask questions later.  Plus, deer meat is good!!!   Fill up your freezer!!!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: dave w on September 06, 2012, 01:09:47 PM
As for the deer, got a gun?  Shoot first, ask questions later.  Plus, deer meat is good!!!   Fill up your freezer!!!
Oh Dan! You have alienated all our dear, green, X10, PETA friends.
BTW Italian salad dressing makes a wonderful meat marinade. Perfect tenderizer for baby seal meat.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on September 06, 2012, 03:00:41 PM
As for the deer, got a gun?  Shoot first, ask questions later.  Plus, deer meat is good!!!   Fill up your freezer!!!
yep as well as the crossbow.
However unlike the bear I can't take a deer for doing damage and must wait till hunting season opens. As well I'd need antlerless tags, the pouching fines just aren't worth the trouble.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: hawk1 on September 06, 2012, 03:27:27 PM
You can't hunt on your own land off season?  That's messed up.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Knightrider on September 06, 2012, 07:56:57 PM
Oh Dan! You have alienated all our dear, green, X10, PETA friends.
BTW Italian salad dressing makes a wonderful meat marinade. Perfect tenderizer for baby seal meat.

I'm not offended.  I believe everyone should join "People Eating Tasty Animals".  The Motor City Madman is our poster boy.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: HA Dave on September 06, 2012, 10:09:03 PM
Even though we have a serious deer infestation.... I live in a city. Even with bow... it would be not only be illegal... but outright too dangerous to kill a deer. Well..... I did bag that one deer.....
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: HA Dave on September 06, 2012, 11:07:55 PM
Here's another little flower eater that hung around the entire day.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Dan Lawrence on September 07, 2012, 09:02:00 AM
You live in a City, you pay taxes to the city,  Bother them about the deer problem. Deer are cute except when they over breed.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: HA Dave on September 07, 2012, 09:21:02 PM
You live in a City, you pay taxes to the city,  Bother them about the deer problem. Deer are cute except when they over breed.

The city... in cooperation with the state has been working on the problem for some time. There just isn't any known way to eradicate animal infestations. They select areas within parks and bait them with food and salt for long periods of time. Then trained marksmen working with a removal team rotate through parks. But they just can't remove the deer as fast as the breed... and move in.

It is apparent that some residents provide feed [salt, and water] for the deer. 
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on September 08, 2012, 09:15:22 AM
It is apparent that some residents provide feed [salt, and water] for the deer. 
That is the problem with most wild life in the city.
It's all cute and cuddly and people feel they need to feed them. ::) :'

Up here my neighbours are far enough away they can feed them all they like.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on July 06, 2013, 07:53:05 PM
With recent news of Compact florescent bulbs causing fires I've started to replace them all with LED lighting.
One good thing is these use even less power. Draw back is the price a little steep for bright bulbs right now.
I've found some affordable LED Wi-Fi lights which I've incorporated into my setup both here and in the city.
I've also added a few more IP cameras to help keep an eye on the place.
I've connected these to X10 appliance modules so they can be powered off when not needed. ;)
I have these on a AHP timer to power up in the morning and down in the evening while I'm here.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Brian H on July 07, 2013, 02:57:52 PM
I have also see reports of some CFLs having harmful UV Radiation emissions.
I have replaced my most used CFLs with LED bulbs.
Never used the Wi-Fi LED Bulbs but they do sound interesting.

I had some Lighting Science Group Ecosmart {House brand for Home Depot} LED bulbs recalled. A small portion of a total production run had assembly problems and the whole run was recalled as a percaution. They could overheat and flame out.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: dhouston on July 07, 2013, 04:04:44 PM
Do all of your WiFi bulbs have their own IP address? I've seen two schemes - one is individual IPs - the other is a master bulb with WiFi that controls a small mesh network via Bluetooth.

The Bluetooth approach seems a bit complex but I'm not sure how easy it is to handle multiple subnets of IPs should your devices exceed 255.

With the proliferation of WiFi devices and WiFi boosters, range is probably less of an issue than it may have been a few years back. All of my WiFi devices have more than adequate range but I live in an apartment and the maximum distance from my router is ~30' to an old iMac. It's a building with masonry and plaster walls with some wire lath so it's not especially friendly to RF.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on July 07, 2013, 05:55:24 PM
Do all of your WiFi bulbs have their own IP address? I've seen two schemes - one is individual IPs - the other is a master bulb with WiFi that controls a small mesh network via Bluetooth.

The Bluetooth approach seems a bit complex but I'm not sure how easy it is to handle multiple subnets of IPs should your devices exceed 255.

With the proliferation of WiFi devices and WiFi boosters, range is probably less of an issue than it may have been a few years back. All of my WiFi devices have more than adequate range but I live in an apartment and the maximum distance from my router is ~30' to an old iMac. It's a building with masonry and plaster walls with some wire lath so it's not especially friendly to RF.
The Bulbs really aren't Wi-Fi in that a Wi-Fi controller is needed, this relays the commands to the specific bulb via RF, this way only one IP address is utilized.
Each bulb is configured to the Wi-Fi controller either individually or in groups of up to 4.
I have to admit I'm still playing with this and only have 3 bulbs currently in use here.
I can control these via a android app or Pc Companion(PCC). (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=14508.0)

Since a PC running full time is a power hog I currently only use my laptop with PCC.
However I've a stripped down version (in Beta testing) that runs on a Thin Clint with XP embedded.
This only uses 12 watts ( I believe) and I plan to bring it up here once all the bugs are worked out of the PCC SG version.
I may also add code to TAC (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=26071.0) so my android mini TV pc can control these directly as it uses even less power.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: dhouston on July 07, 2013, 06:15:28 PM
The Bulbs really aren't Wi-Fi in that a Wi-Fi controller is needed, this relays the commands to the specific bulb via RF, this way only one IP address is utilized.
Ah, yes - I had seen those as well but forgotten that connection scheme. Is there an FCC ID on the controller?
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on July 07, 2013, 07:11:22 PM
The Bulbs really aren't Wi-Fi in that a Wi-Fi controller is needed, this relays the commands to the specific bulb via RF, this way only one IP address is utilized.
Ah, yes - I had seen those as well but forgotten that connection scheme. Is there an FCC ID on the controller?
No FCC ID  printed on it :(
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on December 21, 2013, 06:51:33 PM
We  finally got a fireplace insert put in (week prior to thanksgiving) to help warm things up when we first get there during the winter months.
This thing has a simple thermostat blower speed control but I'm not sure how to add X10 to it yet.
Or even if it will be beneficial, I've yet to put a meter on it to see what the blower actually uses :-[
(http://tuicemen.com/images/fire place.jpg)
this thing does wake me a night some times so maybe a timer so it doesn't come on while I'm sleeping.
Funny how small noises seem so loud in the country with out all the traffic. rofl
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on December 21, 2013, 07:44:14 PM
nice!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on October 03, 2014, 04:48:13 PM
I added a small tool shed to the property.
Although I can pan my cameras to view and monitor this they aren't always fixed on it.
I was able to attach a door window sensor to the door.
However it is out of range (125 + feet) from my DS7000 security console. I needed a way to connect it to my security setup.
I received a couple of smart RF repeaters and  placed one 25 feet from the console.
The signal now reaches the DS7000. :)%
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on March 22, 2015, 02:53:35 PM
I've been experimenting with low power PCs as I wished to be able to control things remotely without a hug drain on my batteries.
I brought my Android mini PC stick home to experiment with as I read Linux could be placed on them.
I will still most likely add a X10 Wi-Fi control module here when ever it hits a production stage.
I was able to install Linux on the mini PC and looking over different server apps installed Home Genie.
Testing this at home it seemed to work, however this will not display on my off grid TV so setting it up here is impossible B:(

I have a HP thin client which I adapted to hold a 40 gig hard drive and installed Windows 8.1 then 10 to.
This uses about 7 watts so although still more then the Android mini it is a better fit.
It also allows for better streaming of web content.
Over the winter I set about creating a web server app (Ultralight) which will be place on this in the next few weeks.
Since I already have this setup and running at my city residents I have a good Idea of what I wish to do with it.
This should make set up a little easier however It is capable of adding or removing devices from the setup remotely.
Also since it is a windows based program I can interface with PcCompanion (PCC)and AHP.
Actually PCC is required for X10 control but doesn't need to be running.
Since PCC nor AHP is required to be running for this to work the PC shouldn't be working to hard.
I also picked up a X10 outdoor PTZ camera which I plan to put into operation replacing a Easyn ptz camera which has connection issues.
I moved my wireless router next to my TV where I plan to setup the thin client this way I can have a wired connection for faster more reliable streaming.
In this new location I have fewer IP cameras signal losses other then the one Easyn cam I mentioned.
Experimenting I know I can control the direction my PTZ cameras are pointing via AHP this will allow me to tie them in nicely with my X10 security system.
AHP can also trigger PCC to send me a email for any notification required now :)%




Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on March 27, 2015, 11:43:43 AM
I mounted my new PTZ X10 outdoor camera to the spot the trouble some EasyN camera was in.
Any the signal from it also is hit and miss from this location B:(
I had tried the x10 camera in several locations with amazing results  even locations farther from the router so I was sure this would have been the solution.
It must be the large steel entrance door that is causing the issue here. It is to bad as the location gives a very wide view of the lot and lake as well I can keep an eye on the entrance way.
Looks like I'm back to moving the router looking for a better location for all signals from the cameras.

This may mean my Thin client has to use a Wi-Fi connection as well :( I hope it doesn't mess up my X10 HA server response times or streaming movies and such.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: bkenobi on March 27, 2015, 01:12:23 PM
If you have a DD-WRT router (Linksys for sure, but others probably too), you might try boosting the antenna power.  Or, if you have a router with external antenna, perhaps just replace it with a higher gain antenna.  If not, perhaps you could try adding a second router as a bridge (or an actual wifi bridge).

In my old house (tri-level), I started out with no wiring and had a setup consisting of 3 routers set to create on bridged network.  It was spotty due to the layout, but it worked most of the time.  The primary issue was speed.  The router with the modem connected was pretty quick, but other locations were pretty slow due to wifi bridge limitations.  I eventually ran a few wires around the house and retired the bridge setup.  MUCH better!  But, if you can't run wires, bridged routers DOES work fairly well when raw speed isn't an issue.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: dhouston on March 27, 2015, 01:41:06 PM
But, if you can't run wires, bridged routers DOES work fairly well when raw speed isn't an issue.
And, with current 2.4/5GHz routers, bridging speed is not likely to be an issue.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on March 27, 2015, 01:43:25 PM
 My router is already set to the max power. B:(
Also it isn't possible to add an external antenna to this router though I may see about doing a mod to enable that.
As well being off grid adding another router isn't a option.
I also had thought about a repeater but that as well will add additional drain to the batteries  which in the winter months is very limited.
It maybe time to look at a newer router with an option to allow an antenna replacement.
Since the X10 camera has a removable antenna I may be able to add a wired antenna and place it in a better location.
A larger antenna doesn't help but relocating should.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on March 27, 2015, 04:57:49 PM
Like beer?  takes 2 beer cans and a sharp knife, then double your wifi range:

google windsurfer antenna for more details....  just slide it over your present little wifi stick antenna and point it the way you need to go  :)
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: bkenobi on March 27, 2015, 05:30:09 PM
The only down side to those is that they turn an omni antenna into a directional one.  If that's acceptable, you might get away with this approach.  I debated suggesting building a Pringles Yagi, but that completely eliminates the omni in favor of one very tight direction (great for hitting a single wireless though).

http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on March 27, 2015, 06:23:44 PM
I had looked into these homemade directional antennas when I first thought of adding Wi-Fi here.
However it had slipped my mind once I was up and running as I had good coverage from my router.
That is except this location.  B:(
 I'm not sure I have the space for the wind surfer design but a soup can one maybe.
Thanks Guys!
I now have something to occupy my mind while trying to sleep tonight.  rofl
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Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on March 28, 2015, 11:13:37 AM
Comparing the two cameras dimensions I see the EasyN cam is slightly smaller so I swapped them back out as the Easy N cam should allow a windsurfer antenna.
I'll attempt a couple of antenna mods next time I get up.
I'll make sure to pick up the needed supplies before I head back up here.
I Also discovered I need to keep my router where my Thin Client can have a Ethernet connection wireless is to slow for my server (UltraLight) and streaming.
I had my wife attempt a connection from the city and it seems I have everything setup correctly for the router  :)%
I'll now set up AHP to turn my inside Foscam to the door that is opened with a ds10 signal via PCC if the X10 Security system is armed.
I'll also turn the exterior cameras to the door which was opened.
I set up the server so I can arm and disarm the system in case I forget to do that when I leave, a quick look at the status on the server will let me know if it is armed or not and if a door or window has been opened.
I've set Ultralight to run as a service in case for some reason there is a power loss (low batteries) I've also enabled the thin client to be booted via the Ethernet card.
Something you can't do with most Wi-Fi cards.
PCC will send the required magic packet to do this from the city if needed.(http://tuicemen.com/images/setup.png)
I can also Shut down the thin client with PCC from the city if this is required for what ever reason ??? ::)
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Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: IPS on March 30, 2015, 05:29:57 AM
Very interesting. :)+ I just finished reading all four pages. I too use Foscam indoor and outdoor IP cameras and DS10a for doors. How can I make Foscam to point to the door when ds10a send the signal? I have assigned H/C to DS10As so I can use it with macros.
Be great I you can help me with it. In return I'll send you a great picture of a gift from pack of wild turkeys. I have lots of running around my place, including almost full white Turkey. Although have not seen them this winter. Get some deer and ducks and crains, fox, wolf etc but no bears.
I have often thought of setting up a wind turbine and lately been thinking about solar panels. I am not sure if it will be worth it to invest in these setups as Quebec Hydro rates are not as high as of Ontario and defiantly not high as in States.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on March 30, 2015, 08:03:05 AM
Setting up your system so a ds10 activation talk to your camera is very easy.
However I'm not familiar with H/C
You'll need to be able to send a windows command or be able to send a web request if you can do either then it isn't a issue.
Since PC Companion is able work along with many different softwares sending it a windows command to trip a user command to send the web request was my route.
You'll need to set some pre-sets in the camera software so they will turn to the area you wish.
The number of the pre-set  is needed for the web request  my camera inside has 5 pre-sets but it can only can see two doors however it can monitor the stairs from the lower level where a  third door is located going to the garage.
my outdoor cameras can see the garage and one door.
Since there are many users that may wish to implement something like this I'll post a how to on my Site in the PCC tutorial section http://tuicemen.com/forum/index.php?board=66.0
I may only have the code for 5 pre-sets so try to keep them to lower number However I may be able to figure out the code for a higher pre-set

My reasoning for going off grid was not the rates nor the initial cost to run the lines however it had a big part of my final design.
The wind turbine was added a cheep secondary source and doesn't provide much help here as I don't get long enough steady winds.
The nice thing for me and most that see the place is no power lines rofl
However that could have been done with buried wires at double or triple the price of over head wires and poles

 
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: IPS on March 30, 2015, 06:34:38 PM
I use x10 AHP with CM15A and H/C is just a module code like A10. This allows me to use macros to turn on lights when any of DS10A is activated and also sends email using AHP plugin.
Sorry about not mentioning it earlier.
I only use 5 presets. Most positions are covered by other cameras any way. Since I have couple of these cameras so I just once in a while turn them to see away into to back yard I should say rather back forest.

I will be sending the picture I promised, ASAP I get to my PC.

Shall look forward to the setup on your website. When ready would you please just send me a message. Thanks.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on March 30, 2015, 07:46:15 PM
I use x10 AHP with CM15A and H/C is just a module code like A10.
Ah understood
The tutorial is now posted. So anyone else looking to do this the how to is posted there!
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Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on April 04, 2015, 07:24:21 PM
With my Off grid place having been online for over a week I'm seeing some areas for improvements.
Although once I get connected I can view x10 Activity, from the cameras I can see who logged into each. (I'll add that to Ultra)
I can see the status of my security system and see the internal and external temperatures. However I find there are still things I'd like to have info to remotely.
Also there have been a few things I'd like to trigger remotely. Some of these can be added remotely but not all (I'm working on that ;) )
There are adds for the solar setup to enable remote access to info but they are expensive so I'll need to look into something more suited to my pocket book. ;) It would be cool to add that info to the sever!
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Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: dhouston on April 05, 2015, 05:25:37 AM
There are adds for the solar setup to enable remote access to info but they are expensive so I'll need to look into something more suited to my pocket book. ;) It would be cool to add that info to the sever!
As I recall, noam has a homebrew (Arduino?) setup to monitor his solar system.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on April 05, 2015, 06:18:42 PM
I currently have a couple of displays that allow on site monitoring of my system.
A Trace battery monitor display, and the Magnum controller for the inverter.
As well each of the two charge controllers (currently in use) have built in displays though the Outback charge controller does hold a history.
I'd love to hack into info from any one of these and be able to display it on my server or even display something indicating attention is needed.

Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on April 06, 2015, 08:33:12 AM
Do any of those displays have rs232 or usb computer connect capability?

I'm sure you know, but maybe didn't think of for a while, programs like teamviewer.com that let you go in and run the remote computer as if you were sitting in front of it.  Just a friendly reminder if you forgot and it is of any value!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on April 06, 2015, 09:33:41 AM
Thanks Mike.
All devices have  some sort of connecting cable jack. However I'm not sure exactly what they are at the moment (USB, Serial, or rs232) as I'm in the city now.
My experience with teamviewer hasn't been favorable. ( I find it extremely slow and with a slow connection there it would be worse)
Not knowing what exactly (voltage?) is being feed through those ports is my biggest concern. I don't wish to fry my newly connected Thin Client

I've found software available for Outback and Morningstar products nothing for Trace  nor MagnumEnergy as yet though Magnum has a kit.

MagnumEnergy requires a (web monitoring kit (http://magnumenergy.com/magweb-wireless-me-mw-w/)) ($$$)
The Software for Outback requires a network hub (mate (http://www.outbackpower.com/outback-products/communications/item/mate?category_id=440)) something I currently don't have or require. ($$$) there is third party software for this as well (WattPlot (http://wattplot.com/wattplot.htm))

The Morningstar software (MSView (http://www.morningstarcorp.com/msview/)) looks promising as all I need is the appropriate cables ( no large $ out lay), software is a free download
Next time I'm back I'll look to see which cables I need since there are 4 ways to connect depending on model #s
This can be used with either their inverters, charge controllers or relayers  or any combinations.
It looks like it logs info to a CSV file which I'll easily be able to extract data from for use with my server (Ultra) , and X10 setup (though not sure for what yet).
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Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: dhouston on April 06, 2015, 10:20:10 AM
All of those appear to connect to their remote servers although you can probably use the WattPlot software w/o the web connection.

I'm always leery of cloud servers both for security reasons and concern they may go the way of X10's servers.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on April 06, 2015, 11:43:10 AM
All of those appear to connect to their remote servers although you can probably use the WattPlot software w/o the web connection.

I'm always leery of cloud servers both for security reasons and concern they may go the way of X10's servers.
Yes I'm not fond of any cloud based things, X10 software servers weren't the only thing to fold up over the years.
The WattPlot and the MSView software both appear not to use a cloud server.
I've downloaded the MSView since this will be the cheapest (hopefully no extra cables needed as I have a bin full of mixed connector wires)
I've installed this on my city PC to have a look at.
There are several ways this can be hooked to a PC and none require the internet.
It can even be connected via a Ethernet connection and router.
I'm not sure all what info I can pull from my Morningstar charge controller as yet as it certainly won't be able to supply the info a inverter would.
Also most of these software only allow a read, the MSView does allow some interaction based on what hardware is connected.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on April 19, 2015, 01:18:59 PM
I've found a way to do a screen capture of my desktop remotely and added this ability to Ultralight so it auto refreshes regularly.
This will save me having to add extra code for monitoring my solar (though I may do that anyways) as I can have the MorningStar software (MSView) , my Weather app and a webcam (PS3 cam or a Kinects) if I wish, displaying on screen.
I'll added this so I can view this and all my IP cams from the same web page.
Too bad my va12 stopped working again :( or I could add in the x10 cameras I have .

I have this working at my city residents (other then the MSView) and the page refreshes regularly thought the real test will be over the net. ::) :'


Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on April 19, 2015, 04:52:54 PM
Too bad my va12 stopped working again :( or I could add in the x10 cameras I have .

I have this working at my city residents (other then the MSView) and the page refreshes regularly thought the real test will be over the net. ::) :'

ya, join the club.  I just tried again to make a va11 or va12 work on win 7 or 8.....  I remember a few years back doing lots of testing and finding which would and would not work on win7, 8, 32bit, 64bit....  but of course I could not find those posts easy enough....

anyway, I NEEDED a webcam thing recently so we could keep an eye on last years baby raccoon who this year is a mama and decided she just HAD to move into her old house inside our barn! 

So I gave up on those and paid someone in US $ 7.00 each w/free-shipping for a couple rca plug composite video to USB adapters.  Even these took a bit to make work, but got it.  I have been wondering if this would work with X10 to get those 6-7 cameras back on line here too....

Enjoy mama-cam if you want:   192.182.173.122:8080
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on April 28, 2015, 09:13:50 PM
So I gave up on those and paid someone in US $ 7.00 each w/free-shipping for a couple rca plug composite video to USB adapters.  Even these took a bit to make work, but got it.  I have been wondering if this would work with X10 to get those 6-7 cameras back on line here too....
You don't mention the make of the USB adaptors but in my tests with other RCA plug to USB adaptors and video capture cards AHP was able to utilize them.
I'd be interested in the make of the adaptor and where you got it, if it does indeed work with Windows 7 or 8 I can resurrect some X10 cams as well as some other old brands.
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Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on April 29, 2015, 10:36:41 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Micropac-Usb-avcpt-Sabrent-Creator-High-quality/dp/B002H3BSCM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1430311267&sr=8-2&keywords=easycap+camera+usb+adapter  $ 6-8 each.    does say USB 2.0 so MAY not work with old old USB 1.0

What's interesting is it gives TWO ways to grab video

I had to read instructions and follow them to make it work on win7 32bit laptop but it has been working swell since.

Just plugged into win8 64bit:  no go without help either.  but it does come with instrucs and cd...  doing it live now... 
- insert CD, auto starts, installs driver?  goes thru setup.exe and says installed and finish ok, but still ? in device manager list, so no go yet...
- try search online for drivers:  nfg
-  browse CD for drivers:  nfg
- browse CD, find driver subdirectory, it has pdf instructions how to install on xp, win7 32bit, win7 64bit.... read this.... no help
- next try installing their video studio from cd (need sn on cd front) put it in prog/ulead/... no difference, still no driver.
- time to give up on drivers possibly on cd.  look online and find there are FOUR(4) different chips being used and all called same easyCAP:
http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Easycap
- mine is somagic....
- 45min search online finds lots of folks saying dont work with win8, others saying drivers here, none worth a damn yet...
- WHAT A DUMMY I WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!     2 hours later and I find this little guys how-to...
-   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWsQguKfz2I
- just change setup.exe installer to win7 compatable mode and it installed fine!  WEE!

-Now the TEST!  plugging my rca plug into it.... nothing in x10....  VLC player...open media find SMI grabber device listed,hit play...crashing, nnext try simplyvideo program...  smigrabber, it has something wierd but something

will go find an x10 rca input gidget to try and verify my rca video camera does indeed work with simplyvideo program...  more later.




Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on April 29, 2015, 10:37:56 AM
wonder now if va11 or va12 would have installed with simply telling win7 compatable mode....  more to try!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on April 29, 2015, 11:27:01 AM
so this $6 rca to usb does send video to simplyvideo program....

WOW!!!!!!  X10 DOES NOT CARE WHERE THE VIDEO COMES FROM!!!!!!!!!

I HAVE VIDEO FROM MY composite rca plug output camera in x10!  cool beans.....

next, since I had no video from rca output from my x10 wireless-modified-to-composite output unit, grabbed another thing - this one called vr31A new in box...

found I had my cameras on D channel and altho crappy pix way up here in office, got x10 cameravideo in x10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
even the video switching between 5 of the cameras worked....

maybe time to revive x10 cameras on windows 8 64bit with the addition of this $6 rca to usb adapter....

hope this helps Tuiceman....  only problem is it is eating in my dji phantom 2+ flying & target shooting times!!!!


Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on April 29, 2015, 11:48:53 AM
this does remind me why I left x10 cameras....  the video is horrendous compared to the $4 webcam unit I bought.....
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on April 29, 2015, 05:22:00 PM
I had read the new Easycap video capture device worked for some but the reviews were all over the place so I passed as I have a old 4 channel model and it doesn't work on win 7 and up.
I may have to try the new model and get my xcam that is imbedded in the log work running again.
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Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on May 06, 2015, 04:25:32 PM
I checked out my morning star charge controller and it has a serial connection.
I had brought up a number of cables and adaptors hoping I could rig up something.
Testing out the serial connection I found I was able to grab a good bit of info from it However the cable was short so I had to splice in a extension.
Luckily I had some cat 5 and Phone wire laying around.

The Morning star software MSView has some draw backs, it does not auto connect to the device or to auto start logging.
I'm able to grab the following and write their values to a CSV file:
Battery voltage
Battery Sensor voltage
Array Voltage
Charge current
Heatsink Temperature
Battery Temperature
Total Amp hours
Amp Hours since last reset
Hourmeater
Alarms
Faults
Control state
Control mode

Currently I only have it writing the array and battery volts which I display on the webpage (Ultralight) along with current inside and outside temperatures.
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Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on May 12, 2015, 02:32:07 PM
I hooked up my Airsight XX60A directly under a EasyN outdoor cam and will do some comparisons over the summer See: http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=29131.0
I'll update that thread as time permits.
I've discovered my charge controller needs a firmware update to enable a bit more options from the PC.
The firmware update will also allow more data to be stored on the charge controller.
I'll attempt to get that done over the next few weeks. ::) :'

I've tweaked my server so I can get x10 status(history) and a bit more info on another page.
I noticed some A2 RF receive signals coming in which had me puzzled as I had not set anything up on House code A.
The signal was starting a bout 5:40 am and was sporadic threw out the day.
I then realized I had place a old motion sensor on the bedroom dresser and forgotten to remove the batteries in the fall. B:(
Checking I soon discovered that was the culprit. :-[
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on May 12, 2015, 03:02:24 PM
sounds like you are having all kinds of fun messing with it all.

Just be sure to hook up your solar panel polarity right:  I put a small 100ma (http://www.harborfreight.com/15-watt-solar-battery-charger-68692.html) panel up on barn that has not electric, for the old 8N tractor I seldom use anymore on the farm across the street....  I was REAL careful to hook it right since I KNOW the 6v is positive ground.....  all winter...  about a week ago its time to hook the bushog to it and mow and totally dead battery!  OUt comes meter, yep, 0 volts!  THEN I saw I inideed had the little solar on backwards all winter! 

I do not understand why, but even at reverse current and making it 0v across all 3 cells, this battery is now fine after a charge!

Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on May 12, 2015, 04:34:31 PM
loads of fun! ;)
A polarity mix up here would be a major disaster. :'(
With incoming amperage at times over 100 amps and watts some times over 1700 I'm sure it would be noticed quickly with a big bang!

The ability to control and monitor  everything from my city residents has been a dream of mine for a long time.
The affordability and advancements of low power PCs have made it possible.
I could run an Android mini PC and control/monitor my X10 stuff but I needed a Windows PC as many other softwares were only created for Windows.
A HP T5740 Thin Client is a nice fit, however with news that Windows 10 will be free for the raspberry pie, I may move to that to reduce power consumption.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: bkenobi on May 13, 2015, 11:05:31 AM
I put a small 100ma (http://www.harborfreight.com/15-watt-solar-battery-charger-68692.html) panel up on barn that has not electric, for the old 8N tractor I seldom use anymore on the farm across the street....
I found my tractor dead a couple months back too.  I'd never considered a solar charger though.  This one lists 24VDC, but my battery is 12VDC.  Is there a switch on the charger to limit the output for 12/6V?  Since I have clear plastic corrugated siding above the door, I could actually get a small charge all winter if needed, so this is very intriguing!

EDIT:
The manual has the answer
Quote
Use Voltage Regulator (not included) between Solar Battery Charger and battery to prevent overcharging battery and consequent damage.
Guess that means it requires a voltage regulator unless you have a 24VDC system.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on May 13, 2015, 11:25:23 AM
The manual also states to only use in a 12 volt system so the specs could be wrong.
Many manufactures have actually moved away from 24 volt panel production with the popularity of grid tie systems.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: bkenobi on May 13, 2015, 02:29:23 PM
I found a youtube video with this panel and it looks like it supplies voltage depending on the amount of light, but they didn't show the maximum.  In their case, the panel did not charge a 12V battery at all since it was only producing 8-11V.  I may swing by HF to see if the box shows anything.  If not, they do have a return policy.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on May 13, 2015, 07:20:48 PM
wow. all wrong info.......

back to basics guys....

a solar cell produces a MAX given current at upto .5v per cell - voltage based on amount of light.  so you put a given number of these .5v max cells in series to get a voltage you can use for whatever your use is.....

so.  enter HF.  Mine outputs a very solid 20-22vdc open loop.  it is rated 1.3watts for a 12v battery charger:  math makes that 1.3watt/13.5v= .096amps or 96ma.....

So, each series cell is good for outputing upto 100ma.  OK

so, they have 22/.5=44 or so 'cells' in series in this HF unit.

Now what happens when you LOAD it down?

stick this 20v open loop across a 13.5v battery, drops 6.5v, and produces 100ma....  how in the hell is this 100ma going to OVERCHARGE your 150ah battery??  No regulator needed!

it comes with a built in series diode, so at night it does not discharge the battery, so no regulator needed to shut it off!

Here comes my 6v old tractor....  now it drops the voltage from 20 to 6v - ok, who cares?  It still only puts out the 96ma!!!!  how the hell do I need a regulator to protect my 100ah battery??

rule of thumb has always been you can trickle charge a bat at 1/10 ah rating....  why do I need a regulator??

use that 24v solar unit on a 6v or 12v battery if you want!  just measure the hi noon current and make sure it is not too much for your batts.

Tuiceman has a DIFFERENT case - he can produce 100's of amps!  HE needs a regulator!

We don't.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on May 13, 2015, 07:21:45 PM
if you go to HF and buy one and in full sunlight it only outputs 11v take it back - it is defective.  simple.

so it seems obvious, but maybe it needs said:  the CURRENT rating is what it can put out as long as the sun is providing enough lite to meet its max current capacity.  but the OPEN LOOP output voltage tells you how much lite you REALLY need to charge for how long.  ie., if it outputs 50v openloop at 100ma, then it will output that same 100ma for a LONGER PERIOD OF TIME each day - ie, with less lite it will STILL output.  If it requires hi noon perfect sun to output 100ma, then by 3pm or with clouds it wont output 100ma anymore - unless it has higher open loop output voltage.  hope this helps explain the simple function of em.

and you probably cannot hurt the solar cells in these cheap units - they just output their max current and thats that.  i proved it by last winter outputing into 0v load all winter!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: bkenobi on May 14, 2015, 02:42:50 PM
Thanks for the primer.  I'm a ME, so have very limited electrical background and solar is limited to knowing that my calculator won't work in the dark.   ;)
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on September 28, 2015, 05:34:07 PM
I've been playing with X10s new Wi-Fi proto type module here which is most likely where it's home will be once everything is worked out.
It will allow me to remove the Cm15 and HP Thin Client I now use for remote control over the internet, keeping power consumption low.

 X10 has stated that they plan to make the protocol public so I see I'll need to create something for it in order to control my IP cameras.
 I now have issues with IP cameras resolved with placement of my router. No antenna mods needed. 

 Since getting a XTBM signal analyzer I've managed to learn a bit more about this setup.
Although the system is relatively noise free the generator does pose a issue which affects the whole setup not just the circuit it is on which I previously though.
Although the noise level doesn't pose a issue right now if another low noise producer is introduced it most likely would be a problem.
I found a coffee maker which throws very high noise at one point during its cycle.
Since this is a single phase setup no phase coupling is needed.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: dave w on September 28, 2015, 10:52:47 PM
Thanks for the primer.  I'm a ME, so have very limited electrical background and solar is limited to knowing that my calculator won't work in the dark.   ;)
rofl
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on January 13, 2016, 04:10:11 PM
Hey Tuicemen!

Just got emailed something you need!  check it out!  FREE ENERGY!

http://www.simpleoffgridsystem.org/report/1/150/-/32379692/
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 27, 2016, 12:13:10 PM
The tesla generator had been something I was interested in before however for my situation it isn't workable.
(sorry for the slow reply mike)

With X10s slow release of the Wi-Fi controller modules I like others have been looking for cheep alternatives.
I've been playing with some new wi-fi controllable devices from ITEAD in hopes of being able to reliably control my outdoor wood furnace. However I had issues with my Wi-Fi router and range which I've since updated to a newer more powerful one from my ISP.
I'll experiment more to see if this has enabled me to implement the ITEAD sonoff modules.
My Cm15 I believe is on its last legs as timers don't seem to fire dependably from it.
To work around this issue I've handed of these to my Prototype Wi-Fi module but others could use a mini timer( if your set up isn't to large).
I've added one of X10s HD Linked cameras into my setup. Since this can be setup to work offline and capture images to a mini SD I don't need to worry about the internet going down.

Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on December 05, 2016, 09:22:53 AM
Update:
My X10 Linked camera  (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=29591.0)is now set in Off line mode due to it not recording if the internet went down.
The Hydro guys cut my phone line while clearing brush from lines out at the main road this left me without internet for over 2 weeks.
Had I not been there I most likely would have without internet even longer. ::) :'
The reason for the linked camera in the first place was incase I lost internet connection.

In the fall I decided to look into a solar tracker to automate moving my pole mounted solar array ( I did this manualy for years)
I found a reasonably priced DIY Dual axis HD tracker from WindyNation (http://www.windynation.com/Solar-Trackers/WindyNation/Solar-Tracker-Tracking-HD-Dual-Axis-Complete-Kit/-/240?p=YzE9MjU=)
This isn't really a HD tracker as the linear actuators that come with it are only rated for 1600 lbs you can find them rated for 6000 lbs +
In any case I figured the actuators that came in the kit would handle my array so I ordered a kit.
I managed to get the East/West actuator controller and sensor setup before the weather got bad and am very pleased with its operation so far.
(http://tuicemen.com/Images/solar/winter-tracker.jpg)
I plan to add the North/South actuator in the spring.
The only thing missing from this kit is a way to put this into a park position during High winds. :(
I'd love to be able to do this with X10.
I believe a power flash could be setup for this however I didn't wish to run AC to the array.
Another option is the iTead Sonoff SV Safe Voltage WiFi Wireless Switch. However access is cloud based only (so far) so if the internet goes down again this is useless.
Another option is this a wind trigger from inspeed  (http://www.inspeed.com/Wind%20Switch%20Selection%20Page.asp) However I'd like to find a cheaper route as I plan to add another pole mounted array.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on December 05, 2016, 11:26:07 AM
Wow!  Looks like a little gingerbread barn sitting next to a Harbor freight 4 panel 50 watt solar array!  Wonder the cayotes haven't eaten the gingerbread barn yet!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on December 05, 2016, 11:35:08 AM
LOL
The small ginger bread barn is actually an old dog house I converted to hold a 12 volt battery to power the solar tracker. It has a single 120 watt panel connected to it to keep the battery charged (over kill I know but it was a spare).
The array is composed of 8 140 watt panels giving a 1120 watt array producing 48 volts feeding my now 24 volt battery bank.
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Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on December 05, 2016, 11:53:00 AM
Wow!  Thought we were the only ones who ever repurposed an old dog house! How frugal of you!

Nice panels and set up.  We supplied a customer a nice 24Vdc to sine 120/240Vac converter once for a project.  I see one of these in your future if you don't have one already!

I googled itlead but found nothing.  Let us know where to find some data on it since of course we all are always looking for replacements.

If you need a CM15 replacement, I have a 3?4? spare Active Home Pro units I bought back when it looked like they would be gone...

Playing now with a couple M900 links and 16db antennas - range 35 miles...  can get full sig 3000ft thru the thick forest to my neighbors house with one in office window and other in golf cart...  but pulls upto 2 amps@ 12vdc so not good for low power use.  Trying to beam cable internet a mile away to get off this goshdarnawful frontier DSL crappy service.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: dhouston on December 05, 2016, 12:04:40 PM
I'd love to be able to do this with X10.
I believe a power flash could be setup for this however I didn't wish to run AC to the array.
Another option is the iTead Sonoff SV Safe Voltage WiFi Wireless Switch. However access is cloud based only (so far) so if the internet goes down again this is useless.
I haven't forgotten about adding X10 RF control to the Sonoff . I'm waiting to see what I need for an X10 RF Receiver in this ESP32 based project.
https://www.laser.com/dhouston/ultimate-X10.html (https://www.laser.com/dhouston/ultimate-X10.html)
I'd like to have a single RF Receiver board that could work with both.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: dhouston on December 05, 2016, 12:10:00 PM
I googled itlead but found nothing.
That might be because you mispelled Itead - get the L out of it.
https://www.itead.cc/smart-home.html (https://www.itead.cc/smart-home.html)
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on December 05, 2016, 12:55:31 PM
Wow!  Thought we were the only ones who ever repurposed an old dog house! How frugal of you!

Nice panels and set up.  We supplied a customer a nice 24Vdc to sine 120/240Vac converter once for a project.  I see one of these in your future if you don't have one already!
Thanks I actualy just move from 12 volt magnum 2800watt to a magnum 24 volt 4000watt pure sinewave


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Playing now with a couple M900 links and 16db antennas - range 35 miles...  can get full sig 3000ft thru the thick forest to my neighbors house with one in office window and other in golf cart...  but pulls upto 2 amps@ 12vdc so not good for low power use.  Trying to beam cable internet a mile away to get off this goshdarnawful frontier DSL crappy service.
My neighbor had wireless service but soon switched to DSL seems every time the earth shifted (earth quake, road construction, work at gravel pit miles away...) the antenna would go out of alignment and it took weeks for someone to come out and realign it.

I haven't forgotten about adding X10 RF control to the Sonoff . I'm waiting to see what I need for an X10 RF Receiver in this ESP32 based project.
https://www.laser.com/dhouston/ultimate-X10.html (https://www.laser.com/dhouston/ultimate-X10.html)
I'd like to have a single RF Receiver board that could work with both.
I actual was hoping itead would make the protocol for the Wi-Fi available but a x10RF receiver add to the low voltage module would work too.
I'm working on modifying the Windynation Suntura control board to use the sonoff low voltage module. Since the control board can handle 12-24 volts in put and drops it down to 5v there are a number of spots the low voltage sonoff  can be wired  to get power.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on December 05, 2016, 01:11:13 PM
I googled itlead but found nothing.
That might be because you mispelled Itead - get the L out of it.
https://www.itead.cc/smart-home.html (https://www.itead.cc/smart-home.html)

looks interesting.  tHANKS!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on May 29, 2017, 09:46:49 AM
The cottage time is hear again and I've started to add a few things to my X10 setup.
Authinx supplied me with an Amazon Dot hoping I could create something for Alexa x10 control.
Alex10 (http://tuicemen.com/alex10) was the out come which I've now setup here.
Interestingly if I use the same amazon account I set the dot up with in the city I can also control devices there from here and devices here from there! ??? :)%
Alexa will not report that it discovers x10 devices at my city residence but they still appear connected in the Alexa app.
Since this is a open concept designed home 1 Dot can hear me from any where on the main floor or the loft.

I modified some battery powered bug zappers to use wall warts to power them which are now plugged into X10 modules. There always seems to be a few mosquitoes that the dog brings in after its nightly outing.
Nothing worse then trying to get to sleep with those buzzing around ones ears.
I set these up to timers in AHP to come on a hour prior to bed time and off again.
With Alexa I can also turn them on/off,  I found some mornings I get awoke with the bugs as well so additional timers may be needed.

I managed to get the low votage SonOff module from itead to work with my WindyNation HD solar tracker's N/S actuator  over the winter(not installed yet)
WindyNation (http://www.windynation.com/) actually supplied me with a control unit to play with (less the actuators) as they had many requests for such a feature.
I also was able to flash the itead module so it no longer requires the cloud to perform.

While working on this I also was able to control it via Alexa.
Simply saying "Alexa, turn on Sun Tura Park" will place my array in a park position.
 Saying "Alexa, turn off Sun Tura park" will return it to normal operation.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: HA Dave on May 29, 2017, 05:27:38 PM
Although.... I took my last old X10 cameras off-line.... I kept the low-voltage (X10 addressable) power supplies. Just thinking for low-voltage controlled devices they might be helpful. As many of the new wall-warts can be real noise makers.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on May 30, 2017, 07:08:27 AM
I kept the low-voltage (X10 addressable) power supplies. Just thinking for low-voltage controlled devices they might be helpful. As many of the new wall-warts can be real noise makers.

So true, these are 9v and never had a issue with them (yet)! ::) :'  Luckily I don't have any noise issues here other then when the backup generator kicks in and that seems to be the circuit the radiant flooring is on so it doesn't affect my limited x10 setup here.
Since I've converted to 24volt it may be worth digging out my XTBM signal analyzer and do my annual check.
I did notice a charge controller making a  hum (more then usual) yesterday and it does have a setting to reduce interference if it happens to affect things. >!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 26, 2017, 07:51:41 PM
I managed to finally get my N/S actuator added to my solar tracker. It still needs some minor adjustments but I'm happy with how it is performing.
I had a few rainy days here so I soldered up a mini 12 volt relay to my sonoff sv module. Today I had a sunny break so I added it to my trackers  control box. I was concerned that maybe range might be  factor but it had performed well at this distance in tests, some times metal can act as a signal absorber or reflector so that was a concern as well.
Firing it up I had to do a IP scan as I didn't set the module to use a static IP once I discovered the IP I was able to put the trackers N/S actuator into a park position. :)%
Next rainy day I'll work at controlling via Alexa  ;)

In the spring I added a new solar array with 8 grid tie panels this doesn't have a tracker but I plan to add one down the road.
Turning it manually to where the sun comes up in the morning I have my battery bank fully charged by 7:30 am on a sunny morning so a tracker will really help for those partially cloudy days. ;)




Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 27, 2017, 06:05:43 PM
I experimented with Alexa to day (between the rain  burst)
I entered a static IP for my Solar tracker then configured HA-Bridge to send the on and off commands.
Told Alexa to discover devices and now I have voice control of my solar tracker park feature! :)%
I was hoping to get a video of this taken and posted but looks like the rain has moved it to stay for today. :(

Update: I managed to get a video of Alexa parking my solar array However due to the slow movement of the linear actuators the video is quite long.
I didn't include her deactivating it but can assure it does work.  >!
https://goo.gl/photos/jgaCH8QK1vW47oeZ9
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: HA Dave on June 27, 2017, 11:34:15 PM
Update: I managed to get a video of Alexa parking my solar array However due to the slow movement of the linear actuators the video is quite long.
I didn't include her deactivating it but can assure it does work.  >!
https://goo.gl/photos/jgaCH8QK1vW47oeZ9

If when viewing you click on the little gear/setting icon (right corner) you can select to double the video speed. The video moves very nicely at that speed. GREAT job Tuice!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: HA Dave on June 27, 2017, 11:57:10 PM
I edited your video... to make it run much faster... just for the sake of "action". Nice set-up.

https://youtu.be/jgKsJKnk0dY (https://youtu.be/jgKsJKnk0dY)
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 28, 2017, 06:16:03 AM
Thanks Dave,
This was my first video ever using my cell and never was much into creating them.
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Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Brian H on June 28, 2017, 06:19:00 AM
Thank you for sharing.
It does look good.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: HA Dave on June 28, 2017, 09:28:53 AM
This was my first video ever using my cell and never was much into creating them.

Back in the summer of 2006.... X10 had a "contest". They offered $500 of X10 products for the winning YouTube entry that showed a use of X10. YouTube and Internet videos were pretty new back then. I had just bought some new X10 cameras.... so I created my YouTube channel and made a video... and got some security alarm stuff with my winnings.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on July 10, 2017, 09:21:45 AM
I've started to play with a Broadlink RM Pro (https://www.amazon.com/Broadlink-Automation-Universal-Compatible-Smartphones/dp/B01GIXZDKO/ref=sr_1_sc_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1499689460&sr=8-3-spell&keywords=broaink+rm+pro)
which was in the city but rarely used.(powermids did the IR control there)
Since this will learn and transmit All X10 RF signals (in addition to IR) I can now arm/disarm my x10 security via my smartphone or Alexa.  :)%
I still use Alex10/ha-Bridge for Alexa control but I can also integrate this with the RM Bridge app running on an old android phone.
So I now have voice control of all IR and RF devices inside here  :)% (except my ceiling fan :( )

 >!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: HA Dave on July 10, 2017, 12:22:45 PM
.... I can now arm/disarm my x10 security via my smartphone or Alexa. ........ I now have voice control of all IR and RF devices inside here  :)% (except my ceiling fan

Good work!  >!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on July 10, 2017, 12:48:22 PM
Thanks Dave,
This rainy summer has given me lots of time to play indoors with my HA setup here.
Garden isn't growing but my HA setup is! rofl
 
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: HA Dave on July 10, 2017, 07:28:07 PM
... Garden isn't growing but my HA setup is! rofl

Getting the [Amazon] DOT around Christmas time... was one of the best [HA] decisions I've ever made. Then with my [iPhone] new modules, new camera system, a Wink hub, Cree light, and racerfern's donated [homeseer] Hometroller enabling Alexa control of my X10, and the [car detection] magnetic probe at the driveway.... my setup has never been better.

And there is so much more that I can still do.... without even adding new devices. I haven't even played with geo-fencing yet. I don't really know.... but I sometimes wonder if we aren't part of a new Home Automation "Golden Age".

But another hobby (and mandatory yard work) makes spare time hard to find in the summer months. 
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on February 15, 2018, 06:30:24 AM
Last week I took a WM100 up to the off grid place.
I don't have a big HA setup there so the device limitation isn't a factor for there (yet).
I've now retired my cm15/thin client running AHP there.
Now all I need is Alexa skill that will directly talk to the WM100. ::) :'
I finally got my outdoor wood boiler rigged up with X10 and can control when it will open the damper to some degree.
The main reason to set this up was to turn it on from the city prior to leaving to go there.
Radiant heat is nice but it takes a while to get the place up to being a comfortable temperature.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on March 02, 2018, 08:30:23 AM
I've not setup much in my WM100 (Willie)as yet (timer wise) here.
The one Willie per app limitation is a pain. I originally had this unit setup in my old phone but that meant I needed to take both phones up. B:(
In the end I loaded my new phone to work with this Willie.
I have two IP cameras inside and two outside which allow me to see what if anything is on or off that shouldn't be.
These are all viewable from my phone so a quick switch to the wi-fi app allows me to change the state of anything that needs be. :)%
The XPFM Inline Receiver Module I added to my outdoor wood furnace works like a charm.
As the days get warmer it doesn't make sense to have it heating to 150+ degrees. The ability to stop the damper from auto opening for long periods of time really does save on wood consumption. ;)
I set up a scene to handle a period of no auto opening followed by a period of allowing auto opening.
I love the fact that a scene can be stopped and over ridden if needed it is perfect for this setup.
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Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on April 28, 2018, 01:51:33 PM
With my thin client retired I found the need for a low power streaming device which a Raspberry Pi would fill nicely.
Since many use these for HA I wanted one that could perform both. The 3B+ (https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-3-model-b/) looked like it would handle this just fine

I don't really need any macro logic here but with lots of open source HA software available for the Pi that can handle this it was a no brainer to add that. I also wanted Alexa control of my X10 modules here and HA-Bridge runs just fine on the Pi.
The Willie (WM100) has no real logic yet and with the talk on the forum here about a WM100 Pi Companion module wish I set about to create a Pi X10 meshed module. The Pi 3B+ I ordered for here is to big to fit in a CM15 with existing components and I wished to utilize those until the WM100 protocol is released so I mounted the Pi to the front of my CM15a. 
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=29832.msg173513#msg173513.
A Pi Zero W board (https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-zero-w/) will fit as will most likely some other non Pi boards. However I already had the B3+ on order ::) :'
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Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on April 28, 2018, 04:41:40 PM
... Garden isn't growing but my HA setup is! rofl

Getting the [Amazon] DOT around Christmas time... was one of the best [HA] decisions I've ever made. Then with my [iPhone] new modules, new camera system, a Wink hub, Cree light, and racerfern's donated [homeseer] Hometroller enabling Alexa control of my X10, and the [car detection] magnetic probe at the driveway.... my setup has never been better.

And there is so much more that I can still do.... without even adding new devices. I haven't even played with geo-fencing yet. I don't really know.... but I sometimes wonder if we aren't part of a new Home Automation "Golden Age".

But another hobby (and mandatory yard work) makes spare time hard to find in the summer months.

OH NO YOU DON'T!  You cannot say "another hobby" and not describe it here!   Fess up!  What, pray tell, is this "other hobby" Kimosabi?
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on April 28, 2018, 11:46:15 PM
The Pi with HomeGenie supplies me with more info then the X10 WM100 app  ;)
And I can view it from any where even using my PC in the city :)%
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: bkenobi on April 29, 2018, 01:41:43 AM
If you use an Android device, you can install the basic app to easily control things from anywhere in the world.  I decided to buy the more advanced version and it provides a better mobile experience as well as a LOT of info (some of which isn't available in the web interface).  If the original dev was still working on the program, I'd say it was a no brainer.  Being somewhat of a dead end today, it's a fair price at $4 when I got it (was $10 for the longest time).
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on April 29, 2018, 10:53:43 AM
I see the HomeGenie Android app and may grab it.
I'm still new to the whole PI thing and not sure where the X10 WM100 app is headed the developer working on it is so slow.
The Cm15 doesn't have as powerful a PLC signal but the WM100 doesn't have RF.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: HA Dave on April 29, 2018, 10:30:15 PM
I'm still new to the whole PI thing and not sure where the X10 WM100 app is headed........... the WM100 doesn't have RF.

With Alexa (or Google).... it's hard to have much of a reason to use RF to control X10 anymore. And don't forget the real advantage of WM-100. It connects wirelessly.... even via the Internet. So (at least theoretically) the Pi used to control your cabin-located WM-100... could reside back in the city.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on April 29, 2018, 10:39:06 PM
I'm still new to the whole PI thing and not sure where the X10 WM100 app is headed........... the WM100 doesn't have RF.

With Alexa (or Google).... it's hard to have much of a reason to use RF to control X10 anymore. And don't forget the real advantage of WM-100. It connects wirelessly.... even via the Internet. So (at least theoretically) the Pi used to control your cabin-located WM-100... could reside back in the city.
True If we had the protocol or the pi was loaded with the Android OS.
The reason for going with the Pi at the off grid place was for the streaming abilities HA was an added benefit.
I'm currently working on a CM15 embedded with a pi for my city place. This Pi is less powerful but I should be able to communicate with the off grid place with it and HG. If not I can connect directly to the Pi that's off grid via the PC or phone.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on May 17, 2018, 06:59:46 PM
Recently I had a issue with my internet and was unable to control any X10 devices with my phone. One draw back to the WM100 B:(
With my Pi conected to the CM15A I can now use a RF remote when this happens again. Luckily lengthy outages are rare.
Steaming works well even with HomeGenie running in the background handling my autmatin,security and IP cameras.
One draw back is Netflix doesn't  work on Linux nor does my cable any where streaming. The issue is browser compatibility. >*<
This may mean me moving to Windows core,good thing HomeGenie will run on Windows. How well it works on core remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: bkenobi on May 23, 2018, 03:10:42 PM
At one point I had a Google Voice account setup to use for text messaging.  The script on this forum and a little time tweaking later and I could asyncronously control my home.  It would even respond when it got the message and toggled things as desired.  That was sweat!

HG can utilize a phone txt devide to do the same, but you need a data connection to the device I beleive.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on May 31, 2018, 09:48:55 AM
I updated my OP to more accurately reflect my HA hardware in use here.
Home Genie (HG) now controls every thing here I currently wish.
I can even Arm my security console and pictures are emailed when the security system is tripped  :)%
Disarming is also possible but I've purposely left that option out.
Every thing I did with AHP and its plugins I can now do with HG + much more.
The HG timers and macros are far superior to AHP.

 I still use HA-Bridge to allow voice control of things via Alexa but it has been moved to my Pi with HG.
I can even Arm/Disarm my security system via voice though with the location of the Amazon dot in relation to the DS7000 Alexa can't hear the disarm command if the system has been tripped.
I discovered the code in HG for interfacing to a Philips Hue hub is basically the same as what is required to interface with the HA-Bridge :)%
With some minor tweaking of the code I can control things with HG which HG normally couldn't.   :)%

 My CM15A is now connected to the PI 3B+ 24/7 but it use to be connected to the thinclient 24/7 as well to enable remote control from the city.
Although the thinclient used very little power the Pi uses even less.
I still have my thin client PC setup but AHP is no longer used here. It looks like its days of usefulness are numbered as I find streaming works better from the Pi :)%, even if that is all the thinclient is doing ::) :'

 I still have a WM100 running here too but I really don't know why ::) :' I guess it is to help debug the Wi-Fi App.
However without some movement on the development of the Wi-Fi App it too will vanish from my setup here.
Currently the only benefit of using the WM100 over the CM15 is a stronger PLC signal which I don't have issue with here. The WM100 actualy uses a little more power then the CM15A as well though not as much as the CM15A and Pi combo.


Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: HA Dave on May 31, 2018, 09:38:12 PM
Home Genie (HG) now controls every thing here I currently wish...

 :)%  >!  #:)
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 02, 2018, 06:57:54 AM
Home Genie (HG) now controls every thing here I currently wish...

 :)%  >!  #:)

WOW, too interesting to pass up...  so downloaded and installed HG.  trying to figure it out - some good docs on line I am slowly going thru.

One killer out of the gate is that weather underground cool widget;  WU says they no longer give out free API keys so that kills its usefulness unless someone knows a way around that?

And can TWO programs use the cm15 USB?  Do I need to shut down AHP to use this HG?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: HA Dave on June 02, 2018, 07:38:58 AM
WOW, too interesting to pass up...  so downloaded and installed HG.  trying to figure it out - some good docs on line I am slowly going thru.

This has beenTuicemen's accomplishment.

I haven't been able to (other than web surfing and word-like docs) accomplish ANYTHING using my Raspberry Pi. BUT... HG will also run on a HDMI Win10 stick/PC too (I think). So this would be a great move forward. As the stick-PC's (like the Pi's) run on milliwatts.... yet still make a home run SMART.

I am a GREAT fan of AHP! It is an amazing product (when paired with the CM15A). But without the old long-gone X10 servers... that AHP star doesn't shine too brightly anymore. HG may be a fine replacement.

I will never go back to NON-AI Home Automation again. Without a AI smart Digital Assistant a home is only half-automated.   
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 02, 2018, 08:49:54 AM
Agree with most of you comments.  I gave up trying 'other' ahp lookalikes long ago too.  I have been forced to learn rasb pi brother arduino for some cool work projects, but I fail so far to see what it adds to the party over ahp - suppose if I were doing stuff online or with cell phone maybe. 

I first loaded the HG program on house laptop just to see what it is about, and then installed it on my main computer with cm15 usbed in...   I am not sure if changing settings to enable X10 cm15-usb THEN restarting the HG program, or stopping the ahp program, made it find it...  but it seems to have found it...  I began the restarted program at 9am this morning, it found cm15 usb, and has been churning away ever since with hour glass equiv as it appears to be identifying each and every X10 module I have?  I just saw it pop up with message about B10 module (I have one)...  Not sure if I should kill it or let it go more...

Wow...   added a 'room' (they call group), went to add an X10 module (they call it a widget) and ALL MY FRICKIN PROGRAMMED X10 MODULES, SECURITY SWITCHES ARE LISTED!!!)     I'm going to keep playing this way and it continue to find stuff on my home network.  I think it found an IP camera, not sure yet...

Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 02, 2018, 11:08:20 AM
I already had a Wunderground key but other then having it display the condition thats all it is doing for me there is a way to utilize dusk dawn from it but I use another method which I think is simpler.
The weather widget can be removed as I'm sure you already discovered
It should be noted that installing HG on a PC running AHP will stop AHP from working as HG uses different drivers.

I'm happy to help anyone get this setup on a Pi it isn't  difficult but you have to be willing to use the terminal window. The installer doesn't work from the desktop in the newer Linux versions that I tried. You only need to paste 3 lines hitting enter after each and your done.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 02, 2018, 04:14:08 PM
Thanks.  I assumed I would find solution in their forum;  obviously I am not alone not being able to get a "key."  I assume there are 2 or 3 OTHER than wunderground widgets by now to pick from...   not a big deal yet.

Big deal is thee apparent common issue of dashboard not coming up after install...  that is where I am now...
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 02, 2018, 05:10:29 PM
A simple browser refresh always works for me.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 03, 2018, 06:11:13 AM
A simple browser refresh always works for me.

sure wish it worked for me too.  I was just warming up to this program too!  haha.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 03, 2018, 07:10:14 AM
I always seem to think of adds after I announce I have every thing I wish B:(

1: Since Wunderground has stopped handing out free api keys I wonder how long before they deactivate those free keys?  ::) :'
I had PCC programed with several options for getting weather prior to moving to Wunderground.
I may have to look at that part of the code and see if I can create a different weather widget ::) :'
I had though about  trying to take advantage of the wunderground info for my solar tracker  which HG will trigger but it may be worth looking at creating a new weather widget first.
If I can figure this out I may be able to trigger other things based on different weather conditions. ::) :'

2: Currently HG only views and sends email from my IP cameras It would be nice to be  able to move them from inside HG even if only to preset positions.
I'm not sure if I can modify the existing camera widget but creating simple quick link widgets shouldn't be a problem.
Anyone would then be able to create macros to move a capable IP to a specific position . ;)

A simple browser refresh always works for me.

sure wish it worked for me too.  I was just warming up to this program too!  haha.

have you tried accessing from a different device like a laptop or phone?
I initially had issues with HG freezing or locking up until I deactivated non essential items.
I read the IR program was causing many issues and that is loaded by default.

Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: bkenobi on June 03, 2018, 09:41:21 AM
There is a second (and third I believe) option for weather apps.  You can use the forecast for triggering events if you know how to code.  I recall WU killing the keys a couple years ago but then brought them back.  I don't think the key is what they make their money on (I assume it's the same model as google, selling you to advertisers), so I suspect they will stick around.

AHP and HG cannot run at the same time because they use different drivers to access the same device.  You will have to stop AHP and install a different driver (different port may be sufficient) to run HG using the CM15A.  Once you get the hang of HG, you will uninstall AHP anyway, so it's no problem.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 03, 2018, 10:27:19 AM
Thanks for the added info and confirmations!

I love your comment " Once you get the hang of HG, you will uninstall AHP anyway, so it's no problem."    haha!  I see already that is going to be the way of my future!

I had to revo uninstall to get rid of all the junk in the register and reinstall to get uninstall to clean up its act and reintall and work again.

I have not had time to search out the WU replacements but figured they existed.   It will be pleasant to have macros that actually work logically!

I have yet to get into it, but has anyone made it recognize the various alarm keybobs like KR10, security remote controls?
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 03, 2018, 11:02:13 AM

I have yet to get into it, but has anyone made it recognize the various alarm keybobs like KR10, security remote controls?
HG will see security key flob arm and disarm signals.and you can create macros with those.
HG will not send security codes to arm disarm a console however I've been able to do that with a Broadlink RM and HA-Bridge which I call from HG

There is a second (and third I believe) option for weather apps.  You can use the forecast for triggering events if you know how to code.  I recall WU killing the keys a couple years ago but then brought them back.  I don't think the key is what they make their money on (I assume it's the same model as google, selling you to advertisers), so I suspect they will stick around.
That is good to know I also may check out the other weather options,
I've found a few weather resources that provide a free API ID and key so I believe another weather widget can be created without much difficulty.if required.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 03, 2018, 11:13:47 AM
Thanks for the hints to get me going.  I see in HG forum you have asked a lot of the questions I was going to, so glad for your help like this!.  I see when I press KR10 HG 'sees it;'  the little top right blue turns on...  When I program my V572RF32 to emulate A1 on keyfob press, it sees and reports A1...   So ok on having to write a macro. 

But seems maybe not needed?  My cm15, although not talking to computer anymore since HG took over talking to it, still does have its internal macro that sees keyfob ARM command (and disARM) and DOES still send it to the security council...   since I will keep the cm15 as my HG server interface to X10, why not just leave those macros in the cm15 to continue to do their jobs?  I have them set for proper days and times to arm and disarm...  docs on cm15 say macro must reside in the computer, but apparently that was another x10 lie since they work fine still!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 03, 2018, 11:41:29 AM
WOW, too interesting to pass up...  so downloaded and installed HG.  trying to figure it out - some good docs on line I am slowly going thru.
I am a GREAT fan of AHP! It is an amazing product (when paired with the CM15A). But without the old long-gone X10 servers... that AHP star doesn't shine too brightly anymore.

HG may be a fine replacement.

OK Dave, I have done very little with this open source free HG yet, but enough to see that my AHP will become a simple modem to the power line for HG.

So far I cannot figure out the love for Pi interface since my CM15 seems all the interface I need.

Found this great X10 get started doc on their forum:   

http://old.homegenie.club:8080/www.homegenie.it/forum/HomeGenieHelpece9.docx?action=dlattach;topic=1420.0;attach=2202

Dave, Try it, you'll like it!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: HA Dave on June 03, 2018, 12:38:40 PM

So far I cannot figure out the love for Pi interface since my CM15 seems all the interface I need.

Without an Internet connection... your Home Automation is blind to world. Without AI... and a voice... your HA can't tell you the time, the weather forecast, what is on TV, or the current age of Jeri Ryan (7 of 9 is now 50, btw). Without AI and the cloud... your HA can't play virtually any song you could think to request, or track the location of your car, or your phone... and respond as programed to on-line info/data.

A processor gives a Home a brain. AI makes a home smart. And currently AI means the cloud (processor, software, Internet, and cloud).

Found this great X10 get started doc on their forum:   
http://old.homegenie.club:8080/www.homegenie.it/forum/HomeGenieHelpece9.docx?action=dlattach;topic=1420.0;attach=2202

Dave, Try it, you'll like it!

I am already using the HS (Homeseer) software on a Pi (Homeseer Hometroller).... which is awesome. And that setup also allows me to use Amazon's Alexa for home control. I am sure there are MANY much better HA setups than mine... my HA is NOT an example of the way things are best done or should be done. But I am a strong advocate for the inclusion of AI and cloud computing with Home Automation.

I will try HG (and other means) as time and money allows me to. And I will also share my results here as you and others (thankfully) do. Because I think that is the best thing to do for the X10 / HA community. I love Home Automation and I wish the best systems possible for all of us.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 03, 2018, 01:34:10 PM
There is a second (and third I believe) option for weather apps. 
I searched for these and only found this one stating no API key required.
http://old.homegenie.club:8080/www.homegenie.it/forum/indexc312.html?topic=142.0
However I decided to visit the web site which implies an API key is required now.
https://openweathermap.org/api
Since it appears to provide a bit more info then the WU widget I'll see if I can modify it for use with the now required Free API key.

HA Dave,
installing HG on a Pi takes less then 5 mins if you haven't done so, Do IT!
Since you already have Homeseer running on another PI you don't need to jump in controlling things right away.
 It will give you something to play with on rainy days. Then you'll be ready for HA season(winter months)to add things that may not be possible with Homeser ;)

So far I cannot figure out the love for Pi interface since my CM15 seems all the interface I need.
As Dave stated adding a Pi to the mix gives the CM15 more power.
It also allows you to connect via Wi-Fi from any device anywhere.
A Pi Zero W will actually fit and work inside a CM15 (a $20 mod I did for my city place) http://forums.tuicemen.net/index.php?topic=1291.0
The reason I didn't go for this approach here was the required streaming abilities the Zero W couldn't supply while running HG.
My 3B+ handles this just fine.
With a Pi connected 24/7( like connoted to a PC 24/7) batteries aren't required.
I actually put off jumping onto the Pi wagon for far to long. However with the Pi Zero W selling for $7 I could no longer afford not to play with this. >!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 03, 2018, 01:40:30 PM
There is a second (and third I believe) option for weather apps. 
I searched for these and only found this one stating no API key required.
http://old.homegenie.club:8080/www.homegenie.it/forum/indexc312.html?topic=142.0
However I decided to visit the web site which implies an API key is required now.
https://openweathermap.org/api
Since it appears to provide a bit more info then the WU widget I'll see if I can modify it for use with the now required Free API key.

HA Dave,
installing HG on a Pi takes less then 5 mins if you haven't done so, Do IT!
Since you already have Homeseer running on another PI you don't need to jump in controlling things right away.
 It will give you something to play with on rainy days. Then you'll be ready for HA season(winter months)to add things that may not be possible with Homeser ;)

So far I cannot figure out the love for Pi interface since my CM15 seems all the interface I need.
As Dave stated adding a Pi to the mix gives the CM15 more power.
It also allows you to connect via Wi-Fi from any device anywhere.
A Pi Zero W will actually fit and work inside a CM15 (a $20 mod I did for my city place) http://forums.tuicemen.net/index.php?topic=1291.0
The reason I didn't go for this approach here was the required streaming abilities the Zero W couldn't supply while running HG.
My 3B+ handles this just fine.
With a Pi connected 24/7( like connoted to a PC 24/7) batteries aren't required.
I actually put off jumping onto the Pi wagon for far to long. However with the Pi Zero W selling for $7 I could no longer afford not to play with this. >!

But WHAT does the Pi add that my home computer does not already add with HG?

(Is it just you want a lo power separate thing running HG instead of a full blown computer?  I suspect this is the case!  For me, I  MUST have my full computer running as it is server to Milestone cameras, I spy server cameras, teamviewer I need remote access to, other junk I still run 24/7.  Mine is on BIG UPS so no issue there.)
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 03, 2018, 02:34:15 PM
But WHAT does the Pi add that my home computer does not already add with HG?

(Is it just you want a lo power separate thing running HG instead of a full blown computer?  I suspect this is the case!  For me, I  MUST have my full computer running as it is server to Milestone cameras, I spy server cameras, teamviewer I need remote access to, other junk I still run 24/7.  Mine is on BIG UPS so no issue there.)
In my case here your correct I wanted a low power computer to run my HA here as well as double as a streaming device for my TV. Since I also run HA-Bridge on it it acts as several alexa device hubs in one. I also can monitor all my Ip cameras from it with or without HG.

I'm not suggesting anyone go and get a Pi to replace a PC. However getting one even just to experiment with will make you fall in love wit it.

Once setup a pi cm15 combo can be placed in an out of the way outlet like an hard to get at one behind a couch. ;)
Something you can't do with a PC. rofl
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 03, 2018, 04:09:09 PM
I installed the openweather map program in HG and got a free API key to test run this alternate to WU.
It isn't as slick as the WU widget but I believe you can customize it much more if your willing to play.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: bkenobi on June 03, 2018, 04:21:28 PM
Yes, openweathermap was the other one I was thinking about.  It didn't require a key originally, so when WU disabled the free keys for a time I switched (I know it stopped working, can't remember why but I think it was they disabled the API key).  I moved back when it was reported working again.  WU is slicker primarily due to users.  Openweathermap just didn't have that many using it on HG when the author was building it, so I think he lost interest.  It could be updated if someone took the time.  Heck, maybe it could be suggested on the new forum since there are some developers still engaged that might offer help.

The primary reason I use a RPi is lower power consumption and moving off a PC to a dedicated box.  I didn't want it to be running from something used for other things to increase reliability and since I was adding a new system, I didn't want to run up the bill (not that an idling PC really does anyway).  If you have a PC that is always on and generally idling, you could install your HA software there.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 05, 2018, 05:56:35 AM
Sweet.      I have not dug in deep yet, but see stuff like this:

https://metacpan.org/pod/Weather::OpenWeatherMap

Is there an EASIER way to implement this rather than each of us reinventing how to program it into our HG each time?
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 05, 2018, 06:13:05 AM
There is a downloadable widget already created for this all you need to do is get a API Key.

Simply download in from HG  and then enable it and enter your info.
In HG click configure then Maintenance then  under system options click on the install package button to the right package manager.
In the window that appears scroll down to "Weather and Enviroment" and open it.
next click on "Open Weather" then click install package.
 >!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 05, 2018, 08:02:42 AM
I had started to create a means for HG to talk with HA-Bridge in the city. I posted a link to my Widget(program) in the HG forum then realized I'd not included the option to password protect HA-Bridge B:(
I've updated that now to include the security feature.
Anyone interested it the HGX fie can find it here: https://homegenie.club/t/ha-bridge-addition/322
 >!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 06, 2018, 12:20:16 PM
There is a downloadable widget already created for this all you need to do is get a API Key.

Simply download in from HG  and then enable it and enter your info.
In HG click configure then Maintenance then  under system options click on the install package button to the right package manager.
In the window that appears scroll down to "Weather and Enviroment" and open it.
next click on "Open Weather" then click install package.
 >!

I think maybe you meant to download it from https://openweathermap.org?  I can seem to almost do that.  I can get an API key... but it says the API key is invalid.  I have no downloadable widget from here.  I thought I might be smart enough to copy their API call?  code?  into HG in a new widget, but, alas, no luck...  HG says new widget is invalid.

I spent an hour screwing with this and cannot seem to get any widgetry magic.  I CAN program an Arduino, I can decode C+ language, I WAS published many times as a young punk in the 1970's with machine language games in various of the cool top computer magazines at the time.  I have designed new gadgets that do what no one did before that Boeing, Spirit Aerospace, GKN, etc., love, I even was/am the electrical engineer in an outfit that thinks they have an almost perpetual motion machine motor that Elon Musk has come to see.   But I'll be damned if I can figure out how to make a gdam widget for my poor HG to see weather.

Can you take  pity on my Mr. T?  Give me (us?) a step by step for dummies how to make this work?  I would be tickled pink to send you a paypal case of beer in exchange, or case of wine, or your choice equivalent.  For now, I will go drink mine and drown in my sorrows.

Until then...
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 06, 2018, 04:16:54 PM
No, the download for OpenWeather plugin package is inside HG using the package manager.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 07, 2018, 05:31:54 AM
dah!  thanks.  I ASSUMED  you meant I needed to find it @ www.homegenie website!    Why do I always try to make it more difficult than it is?  Haha! 
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: bkenobi on June 07, 2018, 07:56:31 AM
You can download many widgets/apps directly from within HG (they were moved to make it easier).  You may also be able to still get them from the web site.  Either way, you just install the OpenWeatherMap app and change the settings per your liking (including adding your API key) and it should work out of the box.  The WU app works this way, but obviously you have to get a non-free API key now.

I'm not sure, but it looks like even those with free API keys may not remain free for long:

Code: [Select]
Status
Paid Membership
Expiration:
6/2/2019
Signed Up:
1/1/2014


It looks to me like they will be turning off my account in about a year.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 07, 2018, 12:09:32 PM
Thanks guys.  I am getting disenfranchised the more I try to mess with HG...

Now I cannot get it to run in Chrome, and it sometimes runs in firefox - but for the last 3 days I cannot get configure->groups->dashboard to show the widgets...  they flash for about 100msec then disappear with only the top 1/10th of the WU widget showing...  So I cannot try different API keys in this widget I installed here... 

The default and next one I made say invalid and I have no clue why.

Made a new key called it "last try" today but I can't even test it!   

Gerhah!@#$#@@!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 07, 2018, 12:48:42 PM
Guys,

Is there a way to get any security coded door switches or KR10 keyfobs etc into HG?
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 07, 2018, 12:51:31 PM
...Either way, you just install the OpenWeatherMap app and change the settings per your liking (including adding your API key)

So where would you enter the API key?  It is not obvious as it was with WU.  Maybe the line first line under parameters called "ConfigureOptions.API Key"?  If so, I have tried 3 so far and no data comes thru... 
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: bkenobi on June 07, 2018, 01:41:09 PM
I haven't used the OWM widget in a long time.  It looks to me like you need to set it as a configuration option in the same place you enter your location.

https://github.com/genielabs/homegenie-packages/blob/master/packages/Weather%20and%20Environment/Open%20Weather/OpenWeatherData.hgx#L13

Code: [Select]
// set input fields parameters
Program.AddOption("Location", "Berlin", "City name", "text");
Program.AddOption("Language", "de", "Language. See http://OpenWeatherMap.org/API for available langugae codes.", "text");
Program.AddOption("UpdateInterval", "60", "Update interval in minutes. Default is 60 minutes.", "text");
Program.AddOption("API Key", "1234567890", "Please register to get an API key", "text");
Program.AddOption("Custom Display Units", "TRUE", "Display System of Units (TRUE = use metric system, FALSE = use imperial system)", "text");
Program.AddOption("Custom Color", "213", "HUE Color Value", "text");
Program.AddOption("Custom Zoom", "100%", "Custom Zoom", "text");

When you install the app, it will show up in HG under programs.  You will need to navigate to it and compile/enable it.  Before you leave, you need to set the location, API key, and units.  Then, go to your dashboard and add the widget so it will show up.  It should be that simple.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 08, 2018, 05:21:34 AM
Thanks all for the help.  With it I now have the widget in dashboard page.  I assume the reason it does not get weather info is my API key(s) are no good for some reason.  I have now made 3 free keys and none work. 
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 08, 2018, 06:34:46 AM
Just got it to work;  found out an API key is NOT all that is required!  A LOCATION that is in their system must also be used!  When I entered farmersville, there are 5 choices that pop up;  mine is the last one.  But it will not get data.  Neither will default.  I just entered Dayton as a test and it works.  I will accept that!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 08, 2018, 06:44:43 AM
You need to enter city,country code not sure about if there are more then one city with same name in your country.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 08, 2018, 12:34:00 PM
is there a way for hg to use ds10 security sensors?  (of course I have my v572rf that can map my ds10s into simple x10 addresses but that looses the higher res security data)
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 08, 2018, 04:35:56 PM
yes to some extent, what is your idea?
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 09, 2018, 05:03:24 AM
My idea is it would be nice to move ALL programming from AHP to HG and just use cm15 as modem interface.  But from what I see, I do not yet see a way to actually directly see DS10 or keyfobs in HG. 

I rely on AHP arming and disarming my security console each day on a timer.  It would be grand to move it to HG and actually use their cool security console widget. 

I am beginning to think leaving the arm/disarm in AHP is ok.  Then I can just use Warren's v572 and send each DS10 over as a regular x10 command.  I would use this then to alert us in the house if a door opens during armed hours, which door (I have an alarm lite that blinks 1x for garage, 2x for barn, 3x for warehouse, 4x for office, etc.   I can envision adding a HG server lcd panel and see know more in the future.  or with its voice capability maybe have my laptop just SAY which door is open. 

Thus it would be nice if the security data could be passed to HG from the CM15.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 09, 2018, 05:38:19 AM
I'm not sure if HG can send RF but it can see all X10 RF and act on them even security codes.
Play arround with creating macros.
My setup here displays all door window sensors and their current status.
My security key flob arm button is set to arm the security in HG and the Disarm button disarms it.
Currently I can get pictures emailed to me when any security sensor is triggered if Security is armed.
I can arm/disarm my security console (DS7000) from HG using a script which tells a Broadlink RM to send the coresponding RF.
I don't have this on a timer but is is possible.
Nothing is stored on my CM15

Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 09, 2018, 08:22:07 AM
So I played with macros and found that I can do IF THEN actions.  Neat. 
I found under  programs, X10 called X10 virtual module mapper.  Sounds like right place to map security things like DS10 but even when enabled, I cannot figure it out - does not seem to do anything.

Is there ANY documentation on HG anywhere on the net?  The built in user guide is useless as it does not tell anything about using any of the hg stuff.

I saw somewhere a reference to a backup file of our server setup, but I cannot find any place to save it or load it.  If indeed there is a restore button, maybe you would share your setup?  Then maybe I could learn from your examples? 

https://genielabs.github.io/HomeGenie/api/mig/overview.html etc site has some stuff, but all like toplevel assuming we already know how to use the features there.

Very Frustrating.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 09, 2018, 09:31:36 AM
There is a place under maintenance  configuration to do backup and restores.
The problem with sharing configurations is all the passwords.
HG like many things which run in Linux is very frustrating to get a handle on. It is very difficult to find well writen documentation with clear step by step instructions. It feels like everything is written for experiance users not newbies. I found the homegenie.club forum to be geared more to windows users but even then info is spares.
I found ahomegenie for dummies doc which i posted on my forum in the pi section I've addes some info to it and plan to expand on it possibly on a rainy day.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 09, 2018, 09:54:20 AM
yes!  agree to all.  seems the old forum had  more info for newbies.  Yes, that kevininv doc is the ONLY thing - besides you and bkenobi of course - that got me started.  I feel I have mastered 5% of the BASICS now...

Just found in that doc near the back:

http://192.168.1.34/api/HomeAutomation.X10/A6/Control.On

WOW!!   This alone makes HG work it!  We have crappy oversold frontier DSL, no other choices available here in the woods.  When a new person in town wants on the internet, it kicks someone else off;  only solution is wait 1-2 hours to get reconnected automatically or pwr down and up the modem.  So I have an appliance module on it, but it is touch and go to turn on from the house and not convenient for my wife to go find the x10 remote, remember which button to push...   So now I put a BUTTON on her Mac desktop to do it!  Your guidance helped  me make a micro to turn pwr off (2 times just in case, then turn on 2x, then reset the A6 module that calls the reset.

very small steps, but I feel in another 300 hours I will be up to about 30% competent!    Continued thanks for your patient help!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 09, 2018, 10:06:45 AM
It appears from the referenced utube oon hg x10 security setup that the ds10 and motion sensor are setup as security devices.  then they can be picked from the add module list.  I cannot seem to find anywhere HOW to set up a DS10 as a security device like door sensor.  Is it simple?  Would you mind sharing how?
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: bkenobi on June 09, 2018, 11:18:19 AM
I own a bunch of DS10 sensirs, but they never left their boxes.  I use MS16A for my motion sensors and they work fine.  I set them up as a sensor type and can see them toggle in HG.  I use them in C# code but don't use the Wizard type so not sure what's needed there.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 09, 2018, 11:58:42 AM
thx bk.  yes, I put in  my MS16As but as simple switches - that way I can label them Barn Motion, Office Motion, etc;  if set as sensor it FORCES the name sensor which I did not like.    I still would like to know if HG can see the extended code for security devices, HOW to config them!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 09, 2018, 12:14:03 PM
I don't  have any motion sensors setup here but do have a few setup in the city all are security type.If I remember they setup just like the door window sensors.  Tip them and HG sees them then go to configure groups and add modules. They will be listed as security devices but I don't remember if HG states it as a sensor or just security device.
I do have a couple MS10A security sensors here as well as a MS13A motion sensor. If I can find batteries I'll  try to set up one of the security sensors. >!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 09, 2018, 12:58:19 PM
Ok so I found a couple batteries  to see if Security motion sensors set up the same as a door window sensor and they do.
Just trigger them and GH sees them and adds them as a module under x10 devices.
I also comented on the Homegenie.club forum about DS10A setups.
Now to figure out what to use this for here rofl
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 09, 2018, 01:19:32 PM
THANK YOU TUICEMEN!!!

I had no idea to try to "trigger" it so HG sees it...   I will try that tomorrow!  I have triggered various DS10's in the past while HG was running, and it never picked them up...  Not sure how you are doing this for them to be seen!  Maybe trigger  must be done during a specific operation in HG?
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 09, 2018, 01:53:13 PM
I believe you may have to go into configuration/programs/x10 and turn on the "x10 RF virtual modules mapper".
Mine was working (active) with my HG initial install but if yours isn't turned on that may be your issue.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 09, 2018, 02:20:45 PM
mine is default OFF;  like I said, I turned it on then tried my keyfob and say nothing so turned it back off.  Will turn on again and try!  thanks.

If someone would just take EACH icon in HG and explain it!!  Then this program would take the internet by all HA surveys!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 10, 2018, 06:54:15 AM
still nothing...  I tried half a dozen DS10's, keyfobs, and nothing happens, nothing is added to my list...  You say it adds 'S***** x10 security' to the X10 list...  at top or bottom of the list?  I get nothing. 

Maybe because I don't have the right X10 mapping program built in my version (latest)?  Here is what I see.  This program seems to be to make 'virtual' things, and then to list them as RF not security things?  I do have 16 of these RF things in the modules list - again, no clue what they are from or for?
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: bkenobi on June 10, 2018, 07:52:51 AM
Are other X10 RF devices working?  In AHP you can disable RF which presumably turns it off in the CM15A.  I think you said it worked in AHP, so I assume that's not the case.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 10, 2018, 08:03:53 AM
Are other X10 RF devices working?  In AHP you can disable RF which presumably turns it off in the CM15A.  I think you said it worked in AHP, so I assume that's not the case.

Interesting comment...  Yes all rf worked before in AHP and also all house codes work in HG.  I can send a code like A3 ON and A3 OFF from a remote and HG sees it and changes the A3 module accordingly.  I can also turn A3 on/off from HG module.   

But I have, and always have had, AHP interface configed to NONE for transceived house codes as it was crashing with my v572  picked up rf on the powerline (I think).  I will try turning it on AUTO need to stop HG service then turn AHP off and back on - I have it running so I can see my old macros - since it is not connected)...
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 10, 2018, 08:20:32 AM
the X10 Security modules will be listed in the X10 devices not as X10 RF they will be mixed in with the other house codes.
if you configured AHP not to handle all house codes( only specific ones that may also be the issue.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 10, 2018, 08:28:02 AM
so frustrating!  I stopped HG service, moved my cm15 usb to another usb input, and got AHP active again.  I updated the config to AUTO on transceived codes (it shows the 5-6 house codes I use checked now) and updated unit.  Now I can't get HG to talk again to try it.  sheesh...
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 10, 2018, 08:54:44 AM
You should set the House codes to specific and select all the auto option is not stable.
Running AHP and HG from the same PC will cause Issues as you have discovered.
They use different USB drivers for the CM15 so you can't easily move from one program to the other.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 10, 2018, 09:49:45 AM
I now appear to have one USB input configed for AHP, another for HG...

my test ds10 showed up!  crap.  so I have TWO possible changes...  1) turning on transceived house codes, and 2) rebooting computer after turning on x10 virtual rf program...  so now I have to go back and turn off x10 transceived to see if THAT is what fixed it - I assume so since I restarted the HG service
 after turning on the rf virtual program before with no fix...

Question:  how do you have the security thing programmed?  Mine never changes state from OPEN to CLOSE - and I can see sorta why in the program of it - it seems the rf virtual program either assigns it OPEN or assigns it CLOSED but not both?
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 10, 2018, 10:08:02 AM
Why is there no documentation???   Gosh!! 

So I found there is ANOTHER different security code in the module list!  it is for CLOSED.  So the way it works is there is a rf code for OPEN in the list and there is an rf code for CLOSED in the list.  It must be upto me to combine them into one thing on the page? 
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 10, 2018, 10:14:07 AM
someone needs to document all this into one document...

I now know you can switch between AHP and HG on the fly at will - just assign different USB ports to each.  Plug cm15 into AHP driver USB port, get AHP, plug cm15 into HG driver port, get HG.  Switch back and forth at will as often as you wish and both work - one or the other.

Takes computer about 4 seconds to switch drives when you swap cable.

Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 10, 2018, 10:19:56 AM
I plan to copy and paste each tidbit I learn and post here into a doc so others do not have to spend these 10's of hours experimenting!

I just VERIFIED that cm15 does NOT require transceived codes turned on!  I now added a garage door  - both a code for open and a separate code for closed - both with the transceived set to NONE. 

So my issue before was I needed some kind of reset I do not know how to do for HG when activating x10 virtual rf program.  stopping and restarting HG server did not do it.  closing the browser window did not do it.  Only a computer reboot made turning x10 virtual rf program active!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 10, 2018, 10:26:50 AM
Why is there no documentation???   Gosh!! 

So I found there is ANOTHER different security code in the module list!  it is for CLOSED.  So the way it works is there is a rf code for OPEN in the list and there is an rf code for CLOSED in the list.  It must be upto me to combine them into one thing on the page?

So while I was playing more of the ds10s in my system that I tested got registered;  so i did not have the right one identified and thus they did not show open and close.  I put all 8 into a test group and now see my test ds10 DOES show open and then closed!  Wow - you gotta LABEL these things immediately or get too confused!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 10, 2018, 10:46:59 AM
Tuicemen,

You said your keyfobs will arm/disarm the HG alarm system...  I have rf codes identified, and HG calls them "S-remote Key ARM"  and disarm.  But I cannot figure out how to assign these to the alarm arm/disarm.  How did you do that?
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 10, 2018, 11:24:00 AM
You have to make a macro if I remember right. I'll  double check my setup this evening. I don't think I made a program but if I did I'll post it.
 >!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 10, 2018, 12:13:42 PM
there is a code named HomeGenie.SecurityTriggerSource

I assume this should point to the arm/disarm device...
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 10, 2018, 01:54:15 PM
That may do it. I never used that looks like I created two macros one or arm one for disarm.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 10, 2018, 03:16:31 PM
That may do it. I never used that looks like I created two macros one or arm one for disarm.

Thanks.  I just bought my $30 new broadlink RM pro on eBay.  to be here by 6/16.  I understand that is the last hardware I need to have  to make HG send arm/disarm to X10 console.   

thanks.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: bkenobi on June 11, 2018, 07:02:56 AM
If you mean someone should document this for HG, then that is (or was) a common request.  The program is overall very good, but as of a few years ago, there was NO documentation.  Gene (the author) stopped working on the code for several months and put together a lot of documentation on basically everything.  That doesn't mean more would be a bad thing of course.  And as you found, there was a user who documented setting up his X10 setup and posted it on the forum.  He wanted that to be a living document which would get updated though I doubt that will happen with the demise of the old forum.  I suppose it would be good if someone were to back up all of the HG site in case Gene decides to close shop completely, too.

The code is open source and available on SourceForge but the documentation is not over there to my knowledge.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 13, 2018, 04:14:35 AM
I just replied to Kevin on the HG club site that I will begin adding to the living doc as soon as I get myy RM thing and figure out how to do the HA thing - with Tuicemen's help I hope! 
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on June 13, 2018, 05:28:31 AM
I'll help as much as I can, your not much newer to HG then me.
I created a tool (Alex10) to help configure HA-Bridge for X10 but it uses the AHP SDK so the scripts would be different for HG.
I've managed to get X10 on/off scripts figgured out to send to HG but the Dim Script is eluding me (most likely because I'm not to interested in Dimming with Alexa).
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on June 13, 2018, 03:08:59 PM
So I will switch over to hg club site to continue this discussion.  Anyone else willing to follow along or help, please join us there!

https://homegenie.club/t/homegenie-for-dummies-document-x10-centric/150/15
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on July 28, 2018, 07:09:20 AM
The other day I got started creating macros for my PTZ IP cameras.
I have two of these out doors and one indoor type. I wanted to enable HG to turn the cameras to a point on a door/window sensor trip.
I attempted to use the macro wizard but for what ever reason it wouldn't turn my camera using the preset program code I created in HG. B:(
The program works on it's own in HG just not in a macro B:(
I knew HA-Bridge would do this and provide Alexa control of the presets as well so I added the preset code to HA-Bridge then went back to HG and editied my macro to use HA-Bridge instead of the preset code I had in HG. It worked :)%
I don't wish pictures sent every time a camera turns so I just had those set if the security console is tripped when armed.
These macros make sure the cameras are pointed in the direction of sensor detection at all times but more important they move to that location on a security alarm activation. :)%
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on July 28, 2018, 11:59:42 AM
Sounds great!  Hope HG comes along and gets robust enough for others to pick up on and use!  The one fellow left trying to update the HG open source code just can't do it alone.

Personally, last week I gave up on HG/HA-bridge/RM for a while &  went back to AHP for stability I require at my two locations.  I moved on to Wyze Pan Cam cameras for sophisticated movable camera security;  They have very responsive software teams on top of their product.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on July 28, 2018, 12:23:37 PM
Out of curiosity what was it you found unstable about HG?
My HG setup on a Pi has been flawless here at my off grid place but I'm not using HG-BE nor Windows.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on July 28, 2018, 12:32:18 PM
It is near impossible to get HG to come up in a browser window.  Takes 10 minutes each time to find the 'sweet spot' that works.  I have to try  all three browsers (edge - works more often than the others but I hate using a microsoft product like it, Firefox, & chrome), then I have to try all 3 ways to call up the server - 127.0.0.1:8516, mk-ssd:8517, and 192.168.0.13:8516).  75% of the time I can get it to show up, 25% I cannot -   on the computer the HG server is installed on.  Add to this I can only get the server to open in any browser on LAN connected machines 25% of the time, making its usefulnes basically nil.  Preset html code like "http://mk-123h-ssd:8316/api/HomeAutomation.X10/B5/Control.Off" also only work sometimes.

RM and HA seem pretty solid.  But HG itself needs help before I can switch to it;  My wife is not happy when the alarm timer does not work (20% of the time) to shut off the alarm in the morning and she trips it.  AHP arm/disarm timered Macros work 100%.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on July 28, 2018, 12:50:50 PM
I know you were running it from Windows and the Be version so you might wish to run it from a inexpensive Pi or SBC.
My city place uses a $7 Pi zero w which is located off in an otherwise unusable outlet.
You can remote into HG from any Wi-fi connected device. I've never had an issue with anything you've mentioned using a Pi.
Here the Pi is located behind my LCD TV and doubles as a streaming device I don't need to remote into it but have on occasion and it always pops up. Remoting in from the city to here does take a bit of time to load but this place has a slow internet connection and I have lots on it.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on July 29, 2018, 08:19:11 PM
$7 Pi zero

Why not?  I had to learn Arduino for business project, might as well learn pi next.

Any suggestions where to find as good a deal as you got?
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on July 30, 2018, 12:03:06 PM
Tnx again.  I am going to bite the bullet and buy one of these ridiculously cheap $ 5 now Pi zero!     Curious how you get your network to talk to it tho as it has no ethernet or wifi connection?

Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on July 30, 2018, 12:09:11 PM
your looking at the zero you need the Zero W
If you get the Zerro you'll need to have an add on board to give you either Wi-fi or extra USB ports so you can add a wi-fi dongle.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on July 30, 2018, 12:20:05 PM
You can also use a powered USB Hub to give you extra ports >!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on July 30, 2018, 04:05:05 PM
I wondered if one of my little extra powered usb port expanders would work - good to know it would!   so it seems the little pi can communicate via USB to my home network?  It would appear on my network as a computer with an IP address so could contact the HG server in it from my network?
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on July 30, 2018, 04:12:25 PM
You can use a Wi-fi dongle plugged into your USB hub along with the cm15 and then install HG on the Zerro
Yes! Once installed you can access HG from any PC, laptop, tablet or phone  on your network.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on July 30, 2018, 04:23:06 PM
let's see...   pi zero $5, pi zero W $10...   I have a dozen little usb/wireless giadjets around here...  i may not have a POWERED usb adapter...    think I will splurge and get the W then!  THANKS!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on July 30, 2018, 04:29:33 PM
That's the route I went even though I could have done the other.
I didn't order with the header just the bare board.
This way your only using one outlet and no extras plugged in.
If your feeling creative the Zerro W does fit inside a Cm15.(no soldering required)
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on July 30, 2018, 04:43:28 PM
I followed your mounting pi in CM15 very closely!  I prob will end up the same after all your work documenting it! 

So I splurged and bought the pi zero W.    Amazing power in such tiny packages!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on July 30, 2018, 04:51:28 PM
I followed your mounting pi in CM15 very closely!  I prob will end up the same after all your work documenting it! 

So I splurged and bought the pi zero W.    Amazing power in such tiny packages!
Yes more powerful then my first PC ::) :'
I found a store in the US that sells the W for $5 but you have to pick it up from the store http://www.microcenter.com/product/486575/Zero_W?src=raspberrypi
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on July 30, 2018, 06:51:39 PM
I just paid $14 with shipping to Arduino website;  they have been good to us with our boards from them in the past.  so I get to try (again) to master Linux!  ech!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on July 30, 2018, 06:56:00 PM
  so I get to try (again) to master Linux!  ech!
Actually you don't have to master Linux. Once HG is up and running you don't need to play with the OS other then for rebooting if you like.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on August 17, 2018, 07:29:45 PM
Tuicemen, thought I would give an update...  I did rcve pi zero W.  First 16gb mem card would not boot;  tried both raspbian and even NOOBS.  format and directory looked fine for both.  gave up, got a second 16gb stick and put NOOBS on it - booted and I got HDMI screen as expected!  But mouse would not move pointer so I could not pick raspbian to install!  tried different usb hubs, direct mouse, keyboard instead.  nothing moved mouse pointer.  Then the pi overheated a 12 pin chip behind the pwr usb input and no more display.   Nothing I could do revived it.  Some others reported in their forum to my post they had same thing so were watching...   Arduino replaced it no cost;  just came in.  I THINK I identified that on this new pi zero they have a potential issue if you plug in usb pwr to pwr connector AND usb to computer - which also supplies power...  anyway, I have not retried - shall do so this weekend.

Meanwhile, my WYZE pan cam $ 25 cameras are doing so great I have been active on their FB pages...   last night guys said they are using IFTTT to send trigger from cameras motion sense messages to OPENhab program.  some using stringify.  alexus involved too if you want...

So I went to OPENhab and checked it out.  Holy crap!    1000's of hardware interfaces written for!  cm15?  yup.  100,000's users, zillion programmers working on this open source program.   some running thir home automation on pi's....  Phillips Hue stuff central too ifyou are into that.  well needless to say I will be checking it out now...    I will report back if anyone wants me to...
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on August 19, 2018, 09:50:50 AM
Thanks for the update Mike,
You should only have your mouse and HDMI cable plugged in to the Zero on initial setup (+ power of cource). then setup SSH so you can use putty to terminal in from Windows and install other stuff. This way only the CM15 needs to be plugged in to the zerro.
I'd love to read about your progress with Openhab purhaps you could start a thread in the PI section on the forum here: http://forums.x10.com/index.php?board=153.0
I'm sure others would be interested as well to follow your progress. It may even get others to try Openhab. ;)
 >!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on August 19, 2018, 04:39:50 PM
Thanks for the update Mike,
You should only have your mouse and HDMI cable plugged in to the Zero on initial setup (+ power of cource). then setup SSH so you can use putty to terminal in from Windows and install other stuff. This way only the CM15 needs to be plugged in to the zerro.
I'd love to read about your progress with Openhab purhaps you could start a thread in the PI section on the forum here: http://forums.x10.com/index.php?board=153.0
I'm sure others would be interested as well to follow your progress. It may even get others to try Openhab. ;)
 >!
Cool thing about OpenHAB.org is that no no SSH or putty is required.  More plug and play for users?  Still learning here...


Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on October 09, 2018, 09:54:45 AM
I've added a ODROID C0 embedded into a CM15 here which I've posted about elsewhere on the forum here so I won't go into the build process of it here.
Also updated my OP to reflect its addition.
Currently this is only used to test another Linux HA software Domoticz this is running along with my Pi + HomeGenie setup so I have no macros or timers currently configured it it which might conflict.
I'm watching others posts on using Domoticz and their setup progress. I'm not conviced Domoticz is going to perform for me as yet  ::) :'
there are some asspects I like about it and it is frequently updated unfortuneately the documentation doesn't seem to get updated as frequently.
At least thats what others postings suggest.

To fully test the ODROID I'll need a USB hub even though this has two full sized USB ports as my though is this will eventualy replace the Pi 3B+.
I've found a small unpowered hub which also includes a Ethernet connection which will provide faster streaming abilities then currently possible with it.
The issue will be if it will work being none powered ::) :'
The use of an external Wi-Fi will allow for a more powerful wi-fi board then the PI and an external antenna though I've not had an issue with the PIs wi-fi.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on October 09, 2018, 11:02:40 AM
the 2 different non powered usb hubs I tried did not work - could not even power the LED in the mouse...  but my cheap 8 port powered hub handles it all.  Do to limited workbench space, I bought a $ 10 wireless keyboard and wireless mouse;  was supposed to be both bluetooth and/or wifi but turns out I do not know how to use it via the pi bluetooth so just stuck the little USB interface into the hub and now have 2 mice and a nice wireless keyboard...  I also charge my phone while out here off this hub.
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: Tuicemen on October 09, 2018, 12:09:42 PM
I wouldn't even attempt a hub from a Pi Zero W though there are several 4 port hats available for it some utilize the USB test solder pads
The ODROID C0 is basically the same as a C1 less the USB ports and Ethernet port so in assents using a 3 port HUB it will be running the same ports as a C1.
I'v tested and it does run fine with a 8 port powered hub but that's overkill for my off grid place and in reality I only need one extra USB for when I wish to use a mouse/KB which is usually only When setting up streaming. The idea behind the ODROID or PI is to limit power consumption here having to add a power hub would kill the advantages this has over the PI 3B+.
 >!
Title: Re: Tuicemen's Off grid setup!
Post by: mike on October 09, 2018, 12:42:29 PM
power savings makes sense to limit it.  I was too dumb to know better.  BTW, it NEVER worked into the single micro USB native programming port!  Your pointing to the USB pads and me soldering a female USB to those made  it work!  I have 2 mice, 2 keyboads (if I want the big one too and cm15 all plugged in...