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Title: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: tom j on February 16, 2011, 05:52:45 PM
Please post your reviews here for the new X10 SecuriLink security system.I'm sure everyone is looking forward to the reviews so please post if you buy one and give us your take on it. Thanks


Tom j.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: george536 on February 16, 2011, 10:31:49 PM
I really want one, since at least it looks alot better than the current oldschool answer machine. But i dont want to fork out the 80 bucks for a console not tested
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: jeffdharlan on February 17, 2011, 10:47:43 AM
Not a review, but a general comment based on the specs...I like the fact that you can use it with you existing security components.  It's good to see they didn't make a product that requires you to start all over and purchase new compatible sensors.

I am assuming that the specs are 100% accurate though!  :P
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: tom j on February 17, 2011, 04:29:26 PM
Not a review, but a general comment based on the specs...I like the fact that you can use it with you existing security components.  It's good to see they didn't make a product that requires you to start all over and purchase new compatible sensors.

I am assuming that the specs are 100% accurate though!  :P

I've heard it doesn't work with the powerhorns and does support more then two unit codes so if all your lights are one one housecode you could only flash two lights, on the older DS7000 you could flash all lights on a given HOUSE CODE for me that's a deal breaker.

Tom j.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on February 17, 2011, 04:31:02 PM
It was never said they did not work with powerhorns or only two security light codes and not the whole house code.
It was said the similar Radio Shack 49-1000 didn't. We still don't know what changes where made to the firmware for the present offering.
That is why we are waiting for a real users tests before jumping the gun with possible incorrect statements.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: tom j on February 17, 2011, 04:37:17 PM
It was never said they did not work with powerhorns or only two security light codes and not the whole house code.
It was said the similar Radio Shack 49-1000 didn't. We still don't know what changes where made to the firmware for the present offering.
That is why we are waiting for a real users tests before jumping the gun with possible incorrect statements.

Well that's what I read somewhere concerning the powerhorns and as far as the flashing lights that what it said in the instruction manual I read online that it would only flash two lights if I read it wrong then I stand corrected check it out for yourself. Hopefully someone will do a complete review.

Tom j.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on February 17, 2011, 04:51:16 PM
I made the statement about the powerhorns and it was in reference to the 49-1000 Radio Shack Unit.

I looked at the manual and you very well could be correct. If only the two security light addresses are flashed. Then I would doubt the powerhorns will sound. Even though the X10 wiki says it will.
All the ones I tested where older date codes with my RS console.

Who knows what X10 has done with the powerhorns now. I know there are threads on differences when trying to add a relay for tripping an event.

I would expect hands on user reports shortly. Then we will know for sure.
Maybe someone with an AHP setup or X10 controller that can monitor the power line. Can report the actual signals being sent. I have printouts of my 49-1000's power line commands.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: tom j on February 18, 2011, 09:08:26 PM
I made the statement about the powerhorns and it was in reference to the 49-1000 Radio Shack Unit.

I looked at the manual and you very well could be correct. If only the two security light addresses are flashed. Then I would doubt the powerhorns will sound. Even though the X10 wiki says it will.
All the ones I tested where older date codes with my RS console.

Who knows what X10 has done with the powerhorns now. I know there are threads on differences when trying to add a relay for tripping an event.

I would expect hands on user reports shortly. Then we will know for sure.
Maybe someone with an AHP setup or X10 controller that can monitor the power line. Can report the actual signals being sent. I have printouts of my 49-1000's power line commands.


You're right Brian I'll hold off with my comments unit I'm certain of the functions, just hoping I'm wrong about the two unit codes maybe it was a typo.  ???


Tom j.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on February 19, 2011, 06:22:46 AM
bigjohn9944's findings in the other thread says it all.

I doubt my old PH508 PowerHorn would sound with a SC12A Console.
Later revisions may as I know newer ones have a different PC Board in them.
Mine has a place for added components to add a relay output to it. That X10 didn't implement.
Newer ones, I have been told, do not have the extra component area.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: jbcol1 on February 19, 2011, 03:05:43 PM
Got mine today!  So far I like it!!! It has most of the qualities that I wanted in the old system.

The only thing I have question on at this point is if I can use my remote sirens with it? So, far I haven't figured it out if I can.

Otherwise... good job X-10

John
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on February 19, 2011, 03:58:31 PM
The remote sirens. Are they the PH508A Large or SH10A Small PowerHorn?
Try setting them to one of the two security lights codes and see if they work.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: jbcol1 on February 19, 2011, 04:11:35 PM
That did it!!!  Thanks!
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: tom j on February 19, 2011, 04:40:53 PM
bigjohn9944's findings in the other thread says it all.

I doubt my old PH508 PowerHorn would sound with a SC12A Console.
Later revisions may as I know newer ones have a different PC Board in them.
Mine has a place for added components to add a relay output to it. That X10 didn't implement.
Newer ones, I have been told, do not have the extra component area.

Yeah I just saw it yesterday, very disappointed that all my housecode lights and powerhorns wouldn't work. I would have bought one as a backup to my DSC system I have two spare DS7000 but I'm kind of addicted to security ever since those two attempted break ins. The x10 system  put them right out of business and although I've been critical of x10 in the past it's just been over issues like these.They come up with basically a goo product but drop the ball like with the AHP module. The first one I got only had a range of 5 or 6 feet. Just gave up on the and suing two cheap transceivers.

Remember when J lino said What The Heck Were You Thinking? What was x10 thinking when they released this it could have been a really nice system. They could of also included the capability to have the unit professionally monitored most of the new do it yourself system at this price point have this capability.   >*<

Tom j.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: tom j on February 19, 2011, 04:44:02 PM
Got mine today!  So far I like it!!! It has most of the qualities that I wanted in the old system.

The only thing I have question on at this point is if I can use my remote sirens with it? So, far I haven't figured it out if I can.

Otherwise... good job X-10

John

JBCOL1 Will it flash all your lights on a specific housecode? or do you need that feature. Really looks nice could you please write up a review after you complete your installation. Thanks

Tom j.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on February 19, 2011, 04:46:49 PM
Your Powerhorns may work.

bigjohn9944 found his Powerhorns did with them set to one of the two security codes.
He also reported the two security addressed lamps flashed and not the whole house code.

jbcol1 also got his Powerhorns working with one of the two security codes.

Maybe both have later revision ones than I have or the SC1200 has a slightly different signal timing sequence. From what my 49-1000 has.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: george536 on February 20, 2011, 03:49:01 PM
hrm, well i guess ill be getting one.

ill just set one of the two codes for the horns and another for one switch. And ill have AHP to do a "all lights on" when the alarm is triggered.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: tom j on February 20, 2011, 08:28:43 PM
Your Powerhorns may work.

bigjohn9944 found his Powerhorns did with them set to one of the two security codes.
He also reported the two security addressed lamps flashed and not the whole house code.

jbcol1 also got his Powerhorns working with one of the two security codes.

Maybe both have later revision ones than I have or the SC1200 has a slightly different signal timing sequence. From what my 49-1000 has.

Well I'm happy theres a work around for the powerhorns but it's a real bummer concerning only two light codes. Think they might change this if we all complained....  ??? well that's what we did with the pitiful range on the AHP unit didn't we and we'll still waiting.  :'  Just really don't know how they could have overlooked that feature, really made the older DS7000 unique it was an incredible feature.

Tom j.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on February 21, 2011, 06:31:15 AM
I doubt they will change the way the security light codes work.

In the older X10 forums. Before moving to this one.
Many of the X10 OEM; Radio Shack 49-1000 kit users complained about powerhorn quirks and only two security codes. Not the whole house code.
Since the new X10 one is almost a copy of the RS unit from I believe five years ago.
My bet is nothing will change.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on February 21, 2011, 08:43:51 AM
I did some tests with a Radio Shack 49-1000 console.
This may or may not be 100% how a X10 SC1200 works with Powerhorns.

Three older date code 02H35 PH508s Large Powerhorn.Will not trigger with either security addresses.
I have no later PH508s to test with.

Two older Date Code 04H33 SH10A Small Powerhorn. Will not trigger with either security addresses.
Two newer Date Code 07E20 SH10A Small Powerhorn. Will trigger on either security address.

So the date code of your Powerhorns maybe the factor on working or not.

Line monitor files attached. From the 49-1000. Using an 1132CU controller. Smarthome Essentials Software.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: tom j on February 21, 2011, 09:42:37 PM
I did some tests with a Radio Shack 49-1000 console.
This may or may not be 100% how a X10 SC1200 works with Powerhorns.

Three older date code 02H35 PH508s Large Powerhorn.Will not trigger with either security addresses.
I have no later PH508s to test with.

Two older Date Code 04H33 SH10A Small Powerhorn. Will not trigger with either security addresses.
Two newer Date Code 07E20 SH10A Small Powerhorn. Will trigger on either security address.

So the date code of your Powerhorns maybe the factor on working or not.

Line monitor files attached. From the 49-1000. Using an 1132CU controller. Smarthome Essentials Software.

Say this is not good news I was going to say something but...... >*<      >*<     >*<

Tom j.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: tom j on February 21, 2011, 09:54:28 PM
I doubt they will change the way the security light codes work.

In the older X10 forums. Before moving to this one.
Many of the X10 OEM; Radio Shack 49-1000 kit users complained about powerhorn quirks and only two security codes. Not the whole house code.
Since the new X10 one is almost a copy of the RS unit from I believe five years ago.
My bet is nothing will change.

Brian well tell me WHY do you think they designed it like that, I really like the ability to flash all the lights on a given house code. And why would they not design it to work with the powerhorns am I missing something.  ???

Tom j.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on February 22, 2011, 06:22:56 AM
I don't have a clue. Why two security address where implemented and not like the older DS7000 that sent All Lights On and All Units Off. When an alarm was triggered.

As for the Powerhorns. I think X10 goofed with the OEM 49-1000 kit for Radio Shack.
Radio Shack was told the Powerhorns should be fine by X10. They where not.
I believe the later Powerhorns may have modified firmware in them. My two SH10A units with a 2007 date code will trigger on my 49-1000 while my 2004 PH508 and SH10A units will not.

Same for the early and later date code soft start LM465s. The original ones do not flash as they try and ramp on and off. My later ones start to ramp but revert to fast on and off. When a console flashes them.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Waynemor on February 22, 2011, 09:55:27 AM
I ended up putting my review in "New X 10 Alarm Panel"
Check it out there.
I think for the most part that this one is a definite improvement.
Wayne
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: tom j on February 22, 2011, 06:16:59 PM
I ended up putting my review in "New X 10 Alarm Panel"
Check it out there.
I think for the most part that this one is a definite improvement.
Wayne


Just saw it excellent review, left you a question. Thanking you in advance.

Tom j.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Knightrider on February 22, 2011, 10:59:02 PM

Brian well tell me WHY do you think they designed it like that, I really like the ability to flash all the lights on a given house code. And why would they not design it to work with the powerhorns am I missing something.  ???

Tom j.

Tom:

Think about this:

When X10 came about, House Codes were designed to be neighbor friendly.  i.e. You could be HC A and the guy next door could be HC B etc. etc.

At some point [total speculation]  it was decided that having all the lights flash in a house when the alarm tripped would be annoying, so the fine folks at the Shack® specified that their unit wouldn't flash them all, thus making the unit from the Shack® superior to the X10 counterpart.

The thing with the powerhorns (not all, mind you, just the ones) was an obvious oversight, which we know never happens with X10  :'

Just my theory.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: tom j on February 23, 2011, 01:39:33 AM

Brian well tell me WHY do you think they designed it like that, I really like the ability to flash all the lights on a given house code. And why would they not design it to work with the powerhorns am I missing something.  ???

Tom j.

Tom:

Think about this:

When X10 came about, House Codes were designed to be neighbor friendly.  i.e. You could be HC A and the guy next door could be HC B etc. etc.

At some point [total speculation]  it was decided that having all the lights flash in a house when the alarm tripped would be annoying, so the fine folks at the Shack® specified that their unit wouldn't flash them all, thus making the unit from the Shack® superior to the X10 counterpart.

The thing with the powerhorns (not all, mind you, just the ones) was an obvious oversight, which we know never happens with X10  :'

Just my theory.

Hum... I don't know annoying, annoying to who? I would hope it would be annoying to the guy that broke in. When I did have a breakin it was at night and it caught the attention of all my neighbors they said my house looked like it was alive!! the crooks ran out empty handed. Guess they found it kind of annoying.  :D  ;D


Tom j.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Knightrider on February 23, 2011, 06:41:38 AM
I never said annoying was a bad thing.  Every time my mother-in-law visits, it keeps most other visitors away.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: dave w on February 23, 2011, 01:39:31 PM
I never said annoying was a bad thing.  Every time my mother-in-law visits, it keeps most other visitors away.
Coffee out the nose again!   rofl
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: tom j on February 23, 2011, 06:46:42 PM
I never said annoying was a bad thing.  Every time my mother-in-law visits, it keeps most other visitors away.

That's why I was saying that the more lights and noise the better, I personally thank this was a bad call on x10 part. Anyone else think it's actually better to have JUST TWO light codes. Just curious.  ???


Tom j.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Pat Kelly on February 25, 2011, 04:43:40 AM
Is the SecuriLINK the same product as the SafeGuard http://www.marmitek.com/en/product/09604 (http://www.marmitek.com/en/product/09604) from Marmitek?
That one is supporting the powerhorn.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on February 25, 2011, 06:35:24 AM
I downloaded the SafeGuard users manual.

Looks similar. Has it has choices of language and uses the international 433.92 MHz RF signals. The SC1200 uses 310 MHz and has no language choices. The system has one nice accessory we don't have an equivalent to. A SD10/SD90 Smoke Detector. I believe it also can use a different phone message for different problems.

My tests with a Radio Shack 49-1000 {OEM by X10 for RS} find my older date code 2004, PH508 or SH10A Powerhorns, do not work. I have a new Powerhorn on order to verify it works, but others have said they do. So Powerhorn support may depend on what revision Powerhorn you have.

I also have a SC1200 on order to verify it is similar or the same as the RS 49-1000.
SmartPost says estimated delivery is 03/01/11. So maybe next week. I can test things.
Powerhorn should also be here by then. It was Priority Mail.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Waynemor on February 25, 2011, 09:45:14 AM
The thing that I think is really great about the SC1200 is that it flashes a code when you do a remote set if everything is OK. My wife and I both like to do a remote set in the morning from our cars in the driveway.
There were many times with the 7000 where we came home to find that the alarm had not set for whatever reason and we had no idea that it had not. Only change that I would like is that one code be used for this info and the other only go off when there is an alarm. As it is now both codes do both (alarm and notification).
I have not yet had a chance to look into this but I am pretty sure that there will be a way to create a macro for Activehome Pro to turn on whatever lights you want during an alarm.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: no57 on February 26, 2011, 08:33:42 PM
Is the SecuriLINK the same product as the SafeGuard http://www.marmitek.com/en/product/09604 (http://www.marmitek.com/en/product/09604) from Marmitek?
That one is supporting the powerhorn.

  I received my SC1200 last Thursday, and am running it alongside my PS561.
  I downloaded the Marmitek manual for comparison, it is the same unit adapted to the European market.
  I find the Marmitek manual more complete, the images are cleaner and more detailed. They explain the meaning of all the icons in the LCD, i.e. they show all 32 zones and explain the meaning of steady on, slow blinking, fast blinking. The Chime icon is also explained. Their motion sensor has a *slightly* different layout, and they show the position of their tamper switch, which made me check where that switch is located on our units.
  One idea I like: you can designate some sensors as emergency sensors,  for instance you can set the sensor for a door or window that should never open and the alarm will sound if it opens.
  It would be nice if we had an option to clear a specific remote instead of all remotes.
  In any case, I feel the SC1200 is a step up from the PS561, with still one glaring omission: no provision for a separate, remote keypad. That should not be too hard for X10 to do, I tested the remote security keypad feature of the Icon Remote and it works, so all is needed is for the engineers to make a dedicated one.

  JC
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: bahamasboy on February 27, 2011, 12:54:44 AM
Hey all, hope this adds to the discussion.....
Set up my SC1200 tonight.  I've run into several places in my house that the door and window sensors (DS12A) are unreliable for triggering the chime and therefore alarm if set.  Does anyone know if a RF Repeater might help solve this issue? ...OR...if the signals picked up by the CM15A that show in AHP Activity Monitor, are supposed to be transmitted through the power lines back to the SC1200?  If not, that would be a helpful solution  since the SC1200 transmitts signals to modules already.   
Thanks in advance
Phil
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: tom j on February 27, 2011, 01:08:49 AM
Hey all, hope this adds to the discussion.....
Set up my SC1200 tonight.  I've run into several places in my house that the door and window sensors (DS12A) are unreliable for triggering the chime and therefore alarm if set.  Does anyone know if a RF Repeater might help solve this issue? ...OR...if the signals picked up by the CM15A that show in AHP Activity Monitor, are supposed to be transmitted through the power lines back to the SC1200?  If not, that would be a helpful solution  since the SC1200 transmitts signals to modules already.   
Thanks in advance
Phil

How many square feet is your house, thought someone reported that the reception on the SC1200 was actually better then with the DS7000.


Tom j.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on February 27, 2011, 07:01:11 AM
The security sensors are RF to the SC1200 directly.
If you also have On Alert in AHP. The RF from the sensor also is used by it.

X10 discontinued their SR731; X10Pro PSX01 RF repeater a long time ago.

As far as I can determine. The SC1200 does not have any power line receiver in its X10 enables wall wart.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on February 28, 2011, 07:07:37 PM
My SC1200 arrived today. Along with a brand new X10pro PSH01 Date Code 10F25 Large Powerhorn.
The PSH01 was flaky. With both my new SC1200 and my Radio Shack 49-1000 consoles. With a panic alarm.
With the SC1200:
Took seven seconds to trigger.
Four High Low Cycles.
Stopped for about six seconds.
Another four High Low Cycles.
Stopped again for six seconds.

With the 49-1000:
Took about ten seconds to trigger.
Seven High Low Cycles.
Stopped for about twenty seconds.
Seven High Low Cycles
Depending on when disarmed. Sometimes went off after disarming.

I will add more information on all my findings in additional post.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: tom j on February 28, 2011, 09:40:14 PM
My SC1200 arrived today. Along with a brand new X10pro PSH01 Date Code 10F25 Large Powerhorn.
The PSH01 was flaky. With both my new SC1200 and my Radio Shack 49-1000 consoles. With a panic alarm.
With the SC1200:
Took seven seconds to trigger.
Four High Low Cycles.
Stopped for about six seconds.
Another four High Low Cycles.
Stopped again for six seconds.

With the 49-1000:
Took about ten seconds to trigger.
Seven High Low Cycles.
Stopped for about twenty seconds.
Seven High Low Cycles
Depending on when disarmed. Sometimes went off after disarming.

I will add more information on all my findings in additional post.


SAY WHAT!  :(   :o   B:( I can't believe x10 would release this thing knowing it wasn't compatible with their own equipment. Well thanks Brian just don't think I'll be ordering one really surprised they got the DS7000 right I used to complain about it but it is compatible with all the equipment actually works pretty good, guess I'll just pick up a few extra window/door sensors while they are available. Brian think you're keep it or send it back.

Tom j.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on March 01, 2011, 06:00:20 AM
I am not ruling out the new PSH01 Powerhorn being defective or poorly adjusted. If it has any adjustments in it.

I may try a few different Security Light Code addresses.

I also tried it with a XPPF filter so it and the console where isolated from the whole house. No difference.

I also had the internal siren disabled. Maybe I will see if internal siren makes a difference.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on March 01, 2011, 07:45:42 AM
Results from Powerhorn tests.

SC1200 Console Date Code 10L52
B1 and B2 Security Light Codes
Panic Alarm by KR32A Date Code 11A02

Model: Date Code:

PSH01  10F25  B1:  7 second trigger. 4 HL tones. Pause 6 seconds. 4 Hl Tones.
              B2:  7 second trigger. 4 HL tones. Pause 6 seconds. 4 HL Tones.

PH508  02H35  B1: 13 second trigger. Paused twice then continuous Hl Tones.
              B2   8 second trigger. Paused twice then continuous HL Tones. 

PH508  02H35  B1: 10 second trigger. Paused twice then continuous Hl Tones.
              B2  10 second trigger. Paused once then continuous HL Tones. 

PH508  05B09  B1: 10 second trigger. Paused twice then continuous HL Tones.
              B2:  8 second trigger. Paused twice then continuous HL Tones.

SH10A  07E20  B1:  6 second trigger. Continuous tones.
              B2:  5 second trigger. Continuous tones.
 
SH10A  07E20  B1:  7 second trigger. Continuous tones. No delay off.
              B2:  7 second trigger. Continuous tones. No delay off.

SH10A  04H33  B1: 11 second trigger. Continuous tones. No delay off.
              B2: 11 second trigger. Continuous tones. No delay off.

Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on March 01, 2011, 11:02:07 AM
DS12A Door/Window Sensor.
Nice and compact. 1 1/2" Wide, 3 1/4" Tall and 3/4" Thick. Per the wiki.

Will be a hard time for me installing on my doors and windows.
Mine don't have flat frames and the rounded moulding will make it difficult. To catch both screw holes and get the magnet close enough to the sensor. Maybe a shim on the one side may help.
Also my rear door opens left to right. That means either I mount it upside down so the arrows match or maybe mount it on the top edge of the door frame.

In this case even thought the DS10A is larger. The switch is on a wire. So it can be mounted on the frame, magnet on the door and the DS10A on a flat wall.

If you use the optional external switch input. It counts as a separate zone from the magnetic one on the side. The magnetic side and the external each get registered separately. I tried it with just the external switch and it seemed to work OK if the side magnetic one was not registered.

Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: grunge on March 01, 2011, 08:34:59 PM
The New X10 SecriLink SC1200 looks exactly like my Radio Shack Plug 'n Power 49-1000 console I bought back in 2005. The manual is almost word for word for the set up procedure. The New DS12A door and window sensors are also similar to the Radio Shack ones that came with the system (tamper proof). It still provides security to my home today and it works with all the current X10 components that I have purchased since 2005 (powerhorn, DS10A, KR10A, LM465, SH10A, etc. ). I'm glad X10 has picked up this model of security console,therefore, if my old one fails I can get a replacement. grunge
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: tom j on March 01, 2011, 09:29:39 PM
So Brian whats you honest opinion on the compatibility issues with the large powerhorns?  and any idea what causes the pauses.  ???


Tom j.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on March 02, 2011, 06:14:24 AM
grunge, Since the 49-1000 was made by X10 for Radio Shack. I am not surprised they are very similar.
The DS12A is slightly different than the RS ones. Slightly smaller and no screw holding the cover on. Now a snap fit.
No nice rubber plugs. To insert into the wall mounting slots of the console like the RS ones. For tilting the colsole if used on a table or shelf.

Both X10 and RS say Powerhorns work with them. If set to one of the two security light codes. All of mine are flaky.
Including a brand new Date Code 10F25, PSH01 X10Pro Large Powerhorn.
I don't feel X10 has totally fixed the Powerhorn problems.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on March 02, 2011, 08:02:10 AM
tom j; I don't think the Powerhorns are 100% compatible with the SC1200 or the RS 49-1000 consoles. Hardware version may make a difference on how they act.

My new PSH01 responds differently to manually sent cycles of All Units On ,All Lights Off or On and Off to the exact address. Than my older ones.

Peek inside shows a 100% different PC Board and components. Like surface mounted parts, not like the through hole parts in the older versions.

I think the problem is still the fact that two security addresses. Then an On or Off is sent. The timing circuits don't respond to them as expected. Manually sending the single address On-Off cycle or the All Lights On-All Units Off. Triggers all of them with no hitches.

My 1132CU controller with Smarthome Essentials Software. Has a signal test tool. I can send a cycle of on off commands, at varied times.
My new one at three second cycle. Start, pause, then start again.  Two second cycles are better and one second is 100%.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: tom j on March 02, 2011, 08:30:41 PM
tom j; I don't think the Powerhorns are 100% compatible with the SC1200 or the RS 49-1000 consoles. Hardware version may make a difference on how they act.

My new PSH01 responds differently to manually sent cycles of All Units On ,All Lights Off or On and Off to the exact address. Than my older ones.

Peek inside shows a 100% different PC Board and components. Like surface mounted parts, not like the through hole parts in the older versions.

I think the problem is still the fact that two security addresses. Then an On or Off is sent. The timing circuits don't respond to them as expected. Manually sending the single address On-Off cycle or the All Lights On-All Units Off. Triggers all of them with no hitches.

My 1132CU controller with Smarthome Essentials Software. Has a signal test tool. I can send a cycle of on off commands, at varied times.
My new one at three second cycle. Start, pause, then start again.  Two second cycles are better and one second is 100%.

Brian I'm sure everyone here is grateful for all the work you and waynemor have done for the group. Do you think x10 will correct this obvious flaw and are you saying that that you can duplicate the All Light On Off sequence when the alarm is tripped with that Smarthome Essentials software. Thanks again for a Great job!  :)%

Tom j.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on March 03, 2011, 07:00:13 AM
Well the Radio Shack users in 2005 where having the same problems with the 49-1000.
I doubt they will change anything in the console.
I do think they did change things in the Powerhorns and maybe timing critical. If I tried another one it may actually work correctly.
I thought maybe I was missing something. As I was bench testing it and didn't have a phone number or message in it. Didn't seem to change anything when I added them. Though it was still not on a phone line.

With the Smarthome Essentials software I can send manually the All Lights On and All Units Off. I don't think you can have it send the sequences automatically. I am not sure if the Pro version was different. Essentials was free with the 1132CU. Pro added $69.99  ;D
The signal test tool can send the On and Off cycle to an address at one to ten seconds. That is where I tested the timing with an On Off Cycle.
It is also quite dated and does not work with newer Windows Systems or ever have the Daylight Saving Times corrected. Called it Legacy Software. No patches from Smarthome.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: dwyane on March 12, 2011, 10:55:08 AM
The remote access feature doesn’t work if you using a answering mechine. :(
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Tuicemen on March 12, 2011, 02:21:45 PM
The remote access feature doesn’t work if you using a answering mechine. :(
Is the answering machine new (digital) or a old model?
Does it have any answer options that you can change?
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: bigjohn9944 on March 12, 2011, 02:28:42 PM
ALSO.......... Are you attempting remote access using a regular landline phone or a cel phone?
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: bigjohn9944 on March 13, 2011, 05:10:59 PM
Has anyone tried the new console with VOIP?
I have a customer (out of state Ebay sale) who can't get it to dial out and it doesn't answer when he tries to call in.
His VOIP comes into his home via fiber optic.
A regular phone plugged into the same jack as the console works fine for both  incoming and outgoing calls.
Although he has no problem faxing, that "rule" always was kind of "IFFY" on the DS7000. Some VOIPs didn't work with that to the extent I finally had to change my description to say "plugged into a regular telephone company jack"
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Jeff M on March 13, 2011, 05:24:55 PM
I'm using my SC1200 with Nettalk.  I plugs directly into my router, and has a phone jack that the console is plugged into.  It can dial out and I can dial it to it without problems.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on March 13, 2011, 06:03:21 PM
Some have added a DSL filter to theirs and sometimes it helps.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on March 15, 2011, 10:25:12 AM
The KR15A Big Red Panic Button Remote. Will register with the SC1200A and trigger a panic. If you hold the button long enough. As it has a few different things it does first.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: RCaddict on March 30, 2011, 09:40:41 AM
My old X10  security system works fine for 2 years now and I was waiting for this upgrade manly for one improvement. Separate entry keypad. That is the one everybody wanted all these years. Guess what! X10 proves the point again. They never listen to their customers! :(
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: bigjohn9944 on March 30, 2011, 10:06:37 AM
The KR15A Big Red Panic Button Remote. Will register with the SC1200A and trigger a panic. If you hold the button long enough. As it has a few different things it does first.
Just to clarify, Brian, the KR15A WILL trigger a panic alarm if you hold it for the several second interval as with the old console?

I didn't test the KR15A for panic activation with the new console, just to see if the console would transceive the KR15A ON signal as the PS561 did, and that didn't work.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: sanjay92 on April 28, 2011, 01:12:40 AM
Same here. Remote calling does not work as mentioned in Manual when you have answering Machine. I have Digital and tried various delay options in console but it does not work.

The remote access feature doesn’t work if you using a answering mechine. :(
Is the answering machine new (digital) or a old model?
Does it have any answer options that you can change?
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: showtime on May 09, 2011, 02:23:35 PM
Has anyone tried the new console with VOIP?
I have a customer (out of state Ebay sale) who can't get it to dial out and it doesn't answer when he tries to call in.
His VOIP comes into his home via fiber optic.
A regular phone plugged into the same jack as the console works fine for both  incoming and outgoing calls.
Although he has no problem faxing, that "rule" always was kind of "IFFY" on the DS7000. Some VOIPs didn't work with that to the extent I finally had to change my description to say "plugged into a regular telephone company jack"

My sc1200 works fine for dialing out over my voip. I am using an obi110 (search on Amazon) with Google voice.  I have not tried dialing into the panel, yet.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: tom j on June 01, 2011, 10:12:48 PM
Hi guys say anyone know if the KR32A will work with the ds700 counsel, found them online for a decent price. Thanks!

Tom j.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: dave w on June 02, 2011, 05:32:19 PM
Hi guys say anyone know if the KR32A will work with the ds700 counsel, found them online for a decent price. Thanks!

Tom j.
yes. But it will probably have crappy range just like on the SC1200.

http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/KR32A
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=23013.0
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on June 02, 2011, 06:21:11 PM
I have not seen any users input. My only thought is the Lights On and Lights Off buttons.
With a SC1200 it controls the second light address. Not sure how the older console will handle's it.

Now the Radio Shack 49-1002 version. Had two sets of light control buttons and did both the first and second addresses.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: tom j on June 03, 2011, 12:21:57 AM
Hi guys say anyone know if the KR32A will work with the ds700 counsel, found them online for a decent price. Thanks!

Tom j.
yes. But it will probably have crappy range just like on the SC1200.

http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/KR32A
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=23013.0

Hi what kind of range are we talking about think it will go 50 feet  ???

Tom
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on June 03, 2011, 06:49:23 AM
I would think you could get 50 feet. Depending on any obstructions.
I can get fifty feet on my SC1200 and KR32A combination.
The older console has a nice extendable metal antenna that should improve reception distances also.

One thing that maybe different between the KR10A and KR32A. Is antenna orientation. I believe {don't have one to verify} the older one has a small wire loop antenna sticking out of the PCB and the new one has a etched run antenna on the PCB. So turning the newer one on its side may actually increase the distance.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: dave w on June 03, 2011, 09:11:03 AM
I don't have a SC1200, but...

I wonder if a passive antenna would improve range. Like 18 inch solid conductor bent at mid point to form an "L" shpe. With the foot of the "L" slipped under the SC1200 near the PCB antenna. Might give you some gain for any vertically polarized signal(?).

I'm just sayin...
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on June 03, 2011, 04:21:14 PM
dave w; I think my post may have been unclear.
The KR10A and KR32A was the antenna differences I was referring to.

The SC1200A has a wire from the receiver board. Wrapped around the case. In a moulded space between the top and bottom case parts.
That is why I have suggested some users try and standing the SC1200 on its edge to reorientated the receiver antenna. As a test.
Since the rubber plugs used to tilt the console for easier reading on a table or desk are not supplied. Only mentioned in the Users Manual and where in the RS 49-1000 kit for Radio Shack. OEM from X10.

One of these days. Someone may come up with an add an external antenna mod for the SC1200A. The external wall wart/powerline transmitter. Isolates the AC from the console so floating AC should not be a problem.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on June 06, 2011, 07:51:09 PM
I have some DS10A Door Window Sensors and KR10A Keyfob Remotes on order.
Will be testing them with my SC1200 when they arrive. Most likely by the end of the week.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: dave w on June 06, 2011, 08:09:04 PM
I have some DS10A Door Window Sensors and KR10A Keyfob Remotes on order.
Will be testing them with my SC1200 when they arrive. Most likely by the end of the week.

You have way too much fun.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Jeff M on June 07, 2011, 12:11:22 PM
Three out of the eight DA10A sensors I installed gave me either false "low battery" or "Problem in zone.."  messages and will be going back soon.  I'd be interested to hear your experiences with these sensors and the SC1200. 
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: tom j on June 18, 2011, 12:16:24 AM
Three out of the eight DA10A sensors I installed gave me either false "low battery" or "Problem in zone.."  messages and will be going back soon.  I'd be interested to hear your experiences with these sensors and the SC1200. 

Just wondering how long it's going to take for x10 to get all the bugs out of this system the large Powerhorn thing is ridiculous and really shouldn't have been released with these types of problems, basically just taking advantage of their customers.

Tom j.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: dave w on June 18, 2011, 10:28:00 AM
Just wondering how long it's going to take for x10 to get all the bugs out of this system the large Powerhorn thing is ridiculous and really shouldn't have been released with these types of problems, basically just taking advantage of their customers.

Tom j.

$0.02
I predict; roughly the same amount of time it has taken X10 to get the bugs out of AHP.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Dan Lawrence on June 18, 2011, 10:40:02 AM
Just wondering how long it's going to take for x10 to get all the bugs out of this system the large Powerhorn thing is ridiculous and really shouldn't have been released with these types of problems, basically just taking advantage of their customers.

Tom j.

$0.02
I predict; roughly the same amount of time it has taken X10 to get the bugs out of AHP.

SEVERAL TIMES. 
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on June 18, 2011, 11:05:26 AM
You will NEVER get the SC1200A to work with all Date Code Revision Powerhorns.
As long as it sends the two specific address On; Off commands cycle and not the All Lights On; All Units Off cycle. Like the old console. Different firmware and hardware Powerhorns will react differently, to the two address On, Off cycle.

I doubt X10 will change the SC1200A to send the All Lights On, All Units Off commands.
That console has done that since 2005 when X10 made it OEM for Radio Shack and the complaints all the way back then. Got nothing accomplished.

Best to hope for. Would be a Powerhorn with firmware and hardware that reacts properly to the new command cycle and X10 labeled it "SC1200" Compatible". That could also possibly bust it for the older consoles.  :'
Title: Re: Newbie Looking for help
Post by: mareh on April 16, 2012, 04:12:56 PM
like i said before that my house was a fully concrete house with steal rods in them and was told that the securilink window sensors would work but with some problems at time reporting to the console. is there anything that i can do to boost them so that i don't have problems?
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: Brian H on April 16, 2012, 04:32:40 PM
We never got the model number of the sensors you received in the kit.
The SecuriLink Sensors are the DS12As.
Many of the kits shipped with the DS10A Sensors.
Title: Re: Reviews For The New X10 SecuriLink Security System
Post by: mareh on April 16, 2012, 04:42:58 PM
hey Brian h,

               The sensors are the ds12a. So do you think they will work?