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🖥️ActiveHome Pro => ActiveHome Pro General => Software Problems & Bugs => Topic started by: GMAN on July 20, 2011, 09:39:04 PM
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I'ma so sad...Really need to knock some of these Software Bugs back. Things are working but it's not like it u'sta be.
Being patient@ 3.310
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Can we have more info? What's the problem? We need more to help you. Raid!! As you know is bug spray.
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3.310? the latest version is 3.316.
You can get it here:
http://www.x10.com/support/support_soft1.htm
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Just squawking... I'm good.
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GMAN are you feeling OK? Is it hot there too? Put a cool cloth on your head and tell your friends what the problems are. We're here for ya!
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Why swark? X10 is fun when everything works the way you want.
Just an example: I keep almost every version of AHP that I know of on a 250 MB Zip disk and several versions are in a folder called "Buggy Releases", which means to me DON'T USE. I was running 3.310 as everything ran as scheduled (no plug-ins involved, don't need or want.) and also have the setup_ahp_update.exe. I decided to run it and see what it does. It updated my AHP from 3.310 to 3.16. (which was in the Buggy Releases folder) It worked PERFECTLY, all timers ran exactly as written. So I moved the file to the main part where all the other "good" releases are.
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Why swark? X10 is fun when everything works the way you want.
Just an example: I keep almost every version of AHP that I know of on a 250 MB Zip disk and several versions are in a folder called "Buggy Releases", which means to me DON'T USE. I was running 3.310 as everything ran as scheduled (no plug-ins involved, don't need or want.) and also have the setup_ahp_update.exe. I decided to run it and see what it does. It updated my AHP from 3.310 to 3.16. (which was in the Buggy Releases folder) It worked PERFECTLY, all timers ran exactly as written. So I moved the file to the main part where all the other "good" releases are.
Dan -
If I read you correctly, you are running 3.316 (with no plugins, of course), and it is working fine for you? That's good to hear!
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Yes it is approx 196 degrees. The electrical bill will be just dandy. :o
These got me
* Turning on a SoftStart module that was dimmed before being turned off results in an Extended Dim command to the previous dim state, instead of the full 100%. In AHP, the slider momentarily goes to the previous dim state, but then goes to 100%.
(v3.310 added 4/14/2011 by Noam, confirmed still present in v3.315)
* The CM15A sends duplicate commands from timers and macros after a reboot or restart of x10nets, until AHP is opened and closed.
(added 3/23/2011 by Noam, confirmed still present in 3.315)
(ErikP 3/29/2011: Problem CAN be duplicated in testing. This is on the list to look into.)
Sense 2008 3.228 had been running my little simple setup smooth as glass for all this time. (all lamp modules are 'soft start')
At one point I bought a second cm15a to keep as backup just in case of a failure but as things grew I began using it as a all House/Unit transceiver
on the opposite phase via RF Commands and EVERYTHING worked perfect.
I discovered one could utilize security modules with an AHP update. So I bought some DS10A's and of course had and really needed to come up to speed with AHP.
That all worked out but the update(s) threw my living room lighting macro out of whack.
Anyway, the workaround I came up with was to adjust and download the macros to the second interface plugged in on that opposite phase.
Once again everything is working peachy...
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...Anyway, the workaround I came up with was to adjust and download the macros to the second interface plugged in on that opposite phase.
Once again everything is working peachy...
Sounds like you need a phase coupler / repeater, and/or an antenna mod on your CM15A.
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What I don't understand how you can run 3.228 with soft-start modules since they didn't exist when 3.228 was released unless he used the LM14 trick to control them, which he did not mention.
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The Antenna part is way covered. Yes, I have been skating without a phase coupler. Somewhat of a phobia about me or anyone (electrician) messin' in the electrical box. Keep'n it simple and safe.
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=20104.0
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What I don't understand how you can run 3.228 with soft-start modules since they didn't exist when 3.228 was released unless he used the LM14 trick to control them, which he did not mention.
SoftStart modules respond to the older On, Off, and Dim commands. From my experience it seems like the dim levels don't match up between the older and newer modules, but they still do respond.
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The Antenna part is way covered. Yes, I have been skating without a phase coupler. Somewhat of a phobia about me or anyone (electrician) messin' in the electrical box. Keep'n it simple and safe.
If you have a 220V dryer, you could try one of the plug-in repeaters.
However, I highly recommend Jeff Volp's XTB-IIR. I think it was definitely worth the investment.
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Anyway, the workaround I came up with was to adjust and download the macros to the second interface plugged in on that opposite phase.
Once again everything is working peachy...
This Rube Goldberg machine works, but how do you keep the two CM15As, on separate phases, from conflicting with each other? I would think if you would have signal collision and corruption when a 220V appliance was operating at the same time they were transmitting (?). Apparently you have managed to balance the system very well. Kudos.
$0.02
But I agree with Noam. A high output repeater like the XTBIIR would make you so happy you would vibrate. Unfortunately if your panel is surrounded by dry wall, it creates an installation problem, since by code, nothing is supposed to be mounted in the breaker box but breakers (although my panel has a door bell transformer in it, which apparently was OK with the inspector). If you have a four pin dryer outlet, Smarthome.com still has a four pin dryer outlet repeater. Don't know why they dropped the three pin unit.
I have my ACT CR234 wired directly in the back of the dryer, for safety I put 5 amp in line fuses on the wires to the repeater since the 40 amp dryer breakers would offer no protection.
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I suspect Smarthome will discontinue the rest of the Dryer Outlet modules as they go out of stock and don't plan to do another production run.
All the X10 Smarthome 1132 series controllers are all gone and they are only pushing the Insteon stuff.
Bean counters and bottom line strikes again. ???
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The XTB-IIR isn't all that involved to install for a homeowner who is comfortable adding new circuits to their breaker panel.
Based on my experience, it should be a piece of cake for any decent electrician to do.
I got a little fancy with my installation, adding a 220V disconnect plug (not required, but Jeff recommends it), as well as a pair of "test" outlets, one on each of the two circuits I added for the XTB-IIR.
Even with all that, and my going VERY slowly while working in the panel, it still took me less than an hour to do it all.
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Rube Goldberg machine
:P
You guy's are correct.
Having a hard time with how some new stuff for me/us helps the Developers knock back
the Bug List?
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Having a hard time with how some new stuff for me/us helps the Developers knock back
the Bug List?
Your signal propagation issue (the reason you are running TWO CM15A's) has nothing to do with limitations in the software, but rather limitations in the design of the X10 transmission protocol and the hardware that uses it.
Jeff designed the XTB-IIR (and its predecessors) to overcome those limitations, by not only bridging the two phases together, but providing a boosted signal point at that bridge location.
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Why swark? X10 is fun when everything works the way you want.
Just an example: .................I decided to run it and see what it does. It updated my AHP from 3.310 to 3.16. (which was in the Buggy Releases folder) It worked PERFECTLY, all timers ran exactly as written. So I moved the file to the main part where all the other "good" releases are.
WHAT????
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Why swark? X10 is fun when everything works the way you want.
Just an example: .................I decided to run it and see what it does. It updated my AHP from 3.310 to 3.16. (which was in the Buggy Releases folder) It worked PERFECTLY, all timers ran exactly as written. So I moved the file to the main part where all the other "good" releases are.
WHAT????
That was MY reaction, too! ;)
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Why swark? X10 is fun when everything works the way you want.
..................It updated my AHP from 3.310 to 3.16. (which was in the Buggy Releases folder) It worked PERFECTLY, all timers ran exactly as written...............
WHAT??????
Dan, r u saying 3.316 has macro timers and dawn/sunset that actually work????
I gave up trying to make these work 3 years ago!!!!!!!!
r u suggesting I should try again???
PS: regarding XTB-IIR, I agree, it takes x10 from a single room usefulness to a whole house usefulness... but it still crashes other repeaters necessary for whole compound use. with house, detached garage & 3000ft2 office and further detached barn, the xtb-IIr needs adjustable TIME DELAY on repeat to make it more useful.
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Why swark? X10 is fun when everything works the way you want.
..................It updated my AHP from 3.310 to 3.16. (which was in the Buggy Releases folder) It worked PERFECTLY, all timers ran exactly as written...............
WHAT??????
Dan, r u saying 3.316 has macro timers and dawn/sunset that actually work????
I gave up trying to make these work 3 years ago!!!!!!!!
r u suggesting I should try again???
My comment was referring to the fact that Dan tried a new version, and didn't have any problems! ;)
As for the time-based conditions, the bug was fixed in 3.315. According to the developer, it only affected time-based macros that were run from the PC (those that were downloaded and run from the CM15A were not affected). Apparently, there was a bug in the logic code, which switched the true/false nature of the condition, so it would work backwards if the condition was run from the Pc, but it would run correctly if run from the interface.
I definitely think you should upgrade to 3.316 (if you haven't already), and try again. Please let us know if you still run into problems with the conditions, so I can report that back to the developer.
PS: regarding XTB-IIR, I agree, it takes x10 from a single room usefulness to a whole house usefulness... but it still crashes other repeaters necessary for whole compound use. with house, detached garage & 3000ft2 office and further detached barn, the xtb-IIr needs adjustable TIME DELAY on repeat to make it more useful.
I haven't used mine with any other repeaters. I don't know if I'd suggested this at any point to Jeff, but it would be neat if there would be a way to interface multiple XTB-IIR's together, using a cable of some sort (even better if a cable wasn't needed)!.
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Option 8 in the XTB-IIR allows you to set it to Only one repeat. To prevent ping pong signals.
Though the other repeaters may not be so tolerant or have an option to suppress signal ping pongs.
If your other repeaters are ACT repeaters.
They also have an option to not repeat known repeated signals.
They also have a terminal block in them to use a hard wired connection between them. For a SCC signal.
Some repeaters like the HCA02, the Smarthome Dryer Outlet and the XPCR. To name a few. Are known to do strange things. In some situations.
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Sorry guy's
My original post was meant more like... I wish the Developers would fix (chip away at) the growing Bug list
with equal effort as Noam is compiling it.
I have been following along for a long time and visit here EVERY DAY.
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From my conversations with them, it seems there are a number of development projects at X10, and only a certain percentage of the time is budgeted for work on AHP.
As time has been available, the developers have been trying to track down the bugs, and squash them. It just seems like we go weeks (or months, sometimes) between releases, and sometimes there are only new feautures, with no bugs having been fixed.
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Follow up to my earlier comment on 3.316 : Yesterday I made a slight change to a single timer to add an "Off" time to it . I cleared the CM15A of all timers and reloaded the CM15A. Later I opened AHP and it wanted a reload to the Interface, so I did that and closed AHP. When I opened AHP later, it wanted a reload to the interface AGAIN!!. I closed AHP, backed up all my .ahx files and completely uninstalled AHP. After that I reinstalled 3.310, opened AHP and reloaded the CM15A.
Sounds like another bug in 3.316. I moved it back the "Buggy Releases" folder on the Zip Disk.
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Follow up to my earlier comment on 3.316 : Yesterday I made a slight change to a single timer to add an "Off" time to it . I cleared the CM15A of all timers and reloaded the CM15A. Later I opened AHP and it wanted a reload to the Interface, so I did that and closed AHP. When I opened AHP later, it wanted a reload to the interface AGAIN!!. I closed AHP, backed up all my .ahx files and completely uninstalled AHP. After that I reinstalled 3.310, opened AHP and reloaded the CM15A.
Sounds like another bug in 3.316. I moved it back the "Buggy Releases" folder on the Zip Disk.
Dan -
I know that I already answered this one for you at lest twice, but I don't have the time to search for those threads right now.
This is NOT a new bug. It is an old bug that was introduced in 3.311, and added to the bug list back on 4/18.
While the developers have yet to fix it, there is a VERY simple workaround (in my opinion, at least).
When you get the prompt asking if you are sure you want to exit without downloading, just click "No." (The logic SHOULD be that you don't want to exit, and AHP should stay open. However, that actually closes AHP.)
The next time you open it, it won't prompt you to save changes until the next time you actually make any.
Try that, and let me know if it works for you the same as it does for me.
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I want X10 to work and 3.316 does not deliver. I went back to 3.310 because it works and does not nag me. Timers and the single keypress macro work as established.
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I want X10 to work and 3.316 does not deliver. I went back to 3.310 because it works and does not nag me. Timers and the single keypress macro work as established.
You can use whichever version you feel you want to use.
However, 3.316 works fine for me, and doesn't nag me, either.
I just have to remember to click "No" that first time after downloading. After that, I get no nag messages.
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The problem is I see it is EVERY time you make a change in a timer you have to to through the constant upload problem, and that's a PITA.
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The problem is I see it is EVERY time you make a change in a timer you have to to through the constant upload problem, and that's a PITA.
Strange. Why would YOU see it every time I make a change to MY system?
It is not a big enough problem to bother me. I just re-open AHP, close it, click "No," and I'm done.
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Tried that, got the same message, AHP wanted an upload to the CM15A, that's why I went back to 3.310.