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Title: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: essmjay on September 21, 2011, 02:08:06 PM
I just installed the DS7000 security system. I am in Run2 mode so the door opening triggers the chime. I have two doors I leave open frequently. About every thirty minutes I get the chime that means door is opening, even though no door is opening. There are no trouble lights flashing and the console has the two open doors with a steady light indicator. Any thoughts as to why this is happening?

Shane
Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: Brian H on September 21, 2011, 02:28:27 PM
Security Modules send a signal periodically to indicate they are alive.
If the door is open. It sends an Open signal evertime it checks in.
Maybe the DS7000 is chiming because of the I am alive transmission.
I can't test my theory as I only have a SC1200 that does not chime again.
Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: Tuicemen on September 21, 2011, 02:29:25 PM
This is the way it is supose to work!
The door sensors send a signal every so often to indicate the status.
The chime isn't to indicate the door is opening more so that it is open.
Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: William8 on September 21, 2011, 04:44:50 PM
Odd, my DS7000 is in "Run 2 " mode. I only hear a chime when the window or door is first opened. It does not chime again when the window or door is left open, never has.
Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: npampel on September 21, 2011, 05:42:55 PM
That is odd.  My DS7000 acts just like William8's.  I have my DS7000 in RUN2 mode and during spring and fall, I will have windows open. The windows chime once as I open them and as the windows remain open the status light on the DS7000 is steady on for that specific open window.  It will not chime again unless close and/or reopen the windows.  I have had this DS7000 since 2004.

Cheers,
Nate
Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: William8 on September 21, 2011, 07:14:20 PM
I have one from 2003 and one from 2004. Maybe they have made changes?
Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: essmjay on September 21, 2011, 10:51:56 PM
Well, looks so far like two for "it's normal" and two for "it's abnormal" anyone else want to chime in?
Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: Tuicemen on September 22, 2011, 08:19:38 AM
I think they may have made changes (not unusually for x10) as both of my units will chime if a door or window is left open to long. ::) :'
I've remedied this for the windows by placing another switch in the windows open position.
Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: Brian H on September 22, 2011, 08:25:29 AM
It does look like a hardware revision change.
Only X10 will know the exact answer and Date Code when the changes where made.

Found this in the X10 wiki:
http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/Run1_vs_Run2
Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: William8 on September 22, 2011, 08:34:49 AM
That link says every 4 hours. Mine may do that, as I rarily ever have the windows open that long, and may not have noticed. The OP says his chimes every half hour though.
Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: Tuicemen on September 22, 2011, 09:11:01 AM
To be honest I don't remember the exact length of time it takes with a door or window left open before I get the chime.
However I was sure it was less then 4 hours.
If one opened several doors or windows at different times the chime could apear to be sooner then expected.
 ;)
Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: Brian H on September 22, 2011, 02:44:10 PM
I think the wiki is incorrect.
Four hours sounds more like the time period before a Zone is called a problem zone.

I did a quick test with AHP, OnAlert and a DS10A. AHP called it New DS10.
I got the initial New DS10 - Sensor Triggered then 57 minutes later another New DS10 - Sensor Triggered.
That was with the no delay switch in the DS10A.
If I set the delay. The Message changed to New DS10 - Delayed Sensor Triggered.

I had read somewhere. The DS10A sent an I am alive signal between 50 and 70 minutes. Each individual module maybe be different but the time was the constant from each individual one.
Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: William8 on September 22, 2011, 04:14:41 PM
I'll have to give this a try tonight, I'll open a window for a couple hours and see if the console chimes. Sure seems like I would have noticed it at least once in the last 8 years.
Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: Brian H on September 22, 2011, 04:26:53 PM
I am thinking X10 may have changed something in the newer ones and the older ones may just chime one time.

I can also see if you have more than one open and they check in at different times. Two or more open could recult in chimes every 30 minutes, if they where not synchronous.
Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: William8 on September 22, 2011, 06:27:21 PM
I always thought the chime was to alert you if a door or window is opened when the system is unarmed. If it chimes when a window is left open, how would you be able to tell the difference between that, and someone entering the house? Seems like it would defeat the purpose, as you would just ignore the chime, thinking it's because the window is open.

Meanwhile, someone is in the garage stealing all your tools. :o
Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: essmjay on September 22, 2011, 08:09:44 PM
I always thought the chime was to alert you if a door or window is opened when the system is unarmed. If it chimes when a window is left open, how would you be able to tell the difference between that, and someone entering the house? Seems like it would defeat the purpose, as you would just ignore the chime, thinking it's because the window is open.

Meanwhile, someone is in the garage stealing all your tools. :o


This is why I am trying to figure this out. I have three buildings with door sensors and often have the door open on the building I am in, and it is good to know if someone opens one of the other doors. Instead I have to keep popping my head out like a gopher to see if the door was opened or not.
Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: William8 on September 22, 2011, 11:38:09 PM
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This is why I am trying to figure this out. I have three buildings with door sensors and often have the door open on the building I am in, and it is good to know if someone opens one of the other doors. Instead I have to keep popping my head out like a gopher to see if the door was opened or not.


I just left 2 windows open for over 6 hours, no chimes at all after opening them.

If it were me, I would return the console you got and exchange it for another, and see how it behaves. It's probably the only way to find out if it's normal for the newer DS7000's, or not.
Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: npampel on September 23, 2011, 12:50:26 PM
I have had 3 windows open now for almost a week and a half, my DS7000 has been silent unless the on of us uses the doors then the chime sounds for that door opening at that time.  Otherwise, like I said the DS7000 has been quiet as these 3 windows remain open for over a week now.  I agree if there was a change to the DS7000 to chime when a module is checking in and it is in the open state, that can cause much confusion.
Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: dave w on September 23, 2011, 05:37:38 PM
Meanwhile, someone is in the garage stealing all your tools. :o
Don't be silly. The "Protected by X10 Security" decal will nip that in the bud.
Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: everydayflyer on October 15, 2011, 12:31:04 PM
My unit (console) chimes once each hour if a sensor is open. I also use an extra magnet to close open ones.


If the alarm is set with a sensor open then that sensor has to be bypassed and the alram will still sound(trip) if any other sensors are opened.

If one bypasses an open sensor then they take thier chances that the crook will enter by a different door or window, I guess.
Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: mike on November 03, 2011, 08:40:47 PM
i have 4pc ds7000 running at different locations.

ALL chime ONCE PER HOUR per open door like clockwork.  so ur first post that said u hear chime every 30 min for 2 open doors or windows is right on.

if in doubt simly look at activity monitor in ahp and u will see the sigs sent clear as mud.  1x per hour like clockwork - they all send either open (chimes) or closed (no chime).

Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: William8 on November 03, 2011, 09:52:33 PM
Glad I have the older units that don't chime every hour.
Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: npampel on November 04, 2011, 10:48:36 AM
Right there with you, William8.  I too am glad that I have the older DS7000, because it sure would get old and annoying with a chime every hour or so.
Title: Re: false opening signal from door sensor
Post by: William8 on November 04, 2011, 12:48:14 PM
Well I would probably just set it to "Run 1" rather than be annoyed by the constant chimes. I would miss the feature of knowing when a door was opened, but with the new ones, it appears you lose that feature anyways.