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🖥️ActiveHome Pro => ActiveHome Pro General => Topic started by: BaBaLou. on October 04, 2011, 09:58:52 AM
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and they talk about "Support for VA13A" ???
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and they talk about "Support for VA13A" ???
But that's all they talk about.
I sent an e-mail off to the two developers I've worked with, to try and find out any more information.
EDIT: I did find this instruction manual for the VA13A, but it is pretty sparse.
I am guessing that it is an updated VA12A:
Link to Manual (ftp://ftp.x10.com/pub/manuals/va13a.pdf)
edited by tuicemen to fix link to manual
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I got a reply from the developers.
The VA13A is a replacement for the VA12A.
No real feature changes, but it comes from a different supplier, and has a different chipset, so it needs different drivers.
At least they remembered to change the model number this time ;-)
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Further down on the Download page.
I found a separate VA13A set of drivers if one needed it and was not using AHP's auto update.
I also saw there where two. One for XP alone and the other for Vista and Windows 7.
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...and was not using AHP's auto update.
What auto update?
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...and was not using AHP's auto update.
What auto update?
That's the first download on the software downloads page the second is the AHP full installer.
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...and was not using AHP's auto update.
What auto update?
That's the first download on the software downloads page the second is the AHP full installer.
Oh. you were referring to the "update" vs "full install" version.
Although, I think the "full install" also installs the VA13A driver.
I thought you were referring to the "Check for Updates" function, which is still broken in 3.318.
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Update now automatically does all the plug ins you have.
Auto Update was a poor choice of wording.
I don't think X10 will ever fix the check for update thing through AHP.
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I don't think X10 will ever fix the check for update thing through AHP.
I have to agree this is not a hard thing to fix!
It may not even be a issue with the code.
The file that AHP checks version numbers from most likely just needs to be updated on the web site . ::) :'
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The file that AHP checks version numbers from most likely just needs to be updated on the web site . ::) :'
From speaking to the developers, that's exactly what it is. However, the programmer who wrote the original code, and the server-side file it pointed to, is no longer working at X10. The code wasn't documented well (or at all), so they haven't had the time to research the code and fix it yet, apparently.
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One note with this update,
The elusive M MTCDDVD associated with a few of my DS10A sensors have vanished. One setup has had that error line for a long time. Other
setups has never showed up, but now seem to be RIP. I know that the update had nothing to do with OnAlert, but they were showing up
yesterday and today they are gone. Tell me I am not crazy. FWIW
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One note with this update,
The elusive M MTCDDVD associated with a few of my DS10A sensors have vanished. One setup has had that error line for a long time. Other
setups has never showed up, but now seem to be RIP. I know that the update had nothing to do with OnAlert, but they were showing up
yesterday and today they are gone. Tell me I am not crazy. FWIW
What version did you upgrade from?
I'll ask the developers if they went anywhere near that code at any point.
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Never missed an update for years, got a bad habit of checking in on the Download page almost daily.
The last version was the 3.316 and now the 3.318. So what happend to 3.317?
Had attempted to reinstall in the past to get rid of M MTCDDVD on the same system to no avail. Had the same problem on other setups, but they went away after a past update.
Maybe its time for a new from the ground up AHP.
PS, any update on the SC1200 security system, still no site of it on their page.
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Never missed an update for years, got a bad habit of checking in on the Download page almost daily.
The last version was the 3.316 and now the 3.318. So what happend to 3.317?
Had attempted to reinstall in the past to get rid of M MTCDDVD on the same system to no avail. Had the same problem on other setups, but they went away after a past update.
Maybe its time for a new from the ground up AHP.
PS, any update on the SC1200 security system, still no site of it on their page.
As they have done in the past, they probably built version 3.317, but found problems in testing and didn't release it.
I sent them an e-mail asking about the M MTCDDVD status lines, but I haven't gotten a reply yet (It is still early on the west coast).
I really don't know anything about the SC1200, but from the chatter I heard here, it looks like maybe it was discontinued.
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The SC1200 pulled thread is here.
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=hm28ibadd7u3lg9ep3ggmhg400&topic=24498.0
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... The elusive M MTCDDVD associated with a few of my DS10A sensors have vanished.
Well, I got an answer back from one of the developers. It seems the other developer did put in a fix this, right before he left the company. Perhaps that was version 3.317, which was never released to the public.
I'll mark it as fixed in the Bug List.
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Good to hear, many thanks Noam.
a helpful for that. :)%
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Apparently 3.318 is another buggy version. One Big bug is if you install it, you cannot go back to an older version, 3.318 won't let you. The only recourse is to uninstall AHP (make sure your .ahx files are backed up on another drive or separate media before uninstalling or you loose everything and have to reinstall all your modules/timers and any macros.
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Apparently 3.318 is another buggy version. One Big bug is if you install it, you cannot go back to an older version, 3.318 won't let you. The only recourse is to uninstall AHP (make sure your .ahx files are backed up on another drive or separate media before uninstalling or you loose everything and have to reinstall all your modules/timers and any macros.
Dan -
Thanks for reporting this.
I tried this myself, and I confirmed it on my machine, as well. I tried rolling back to both 3.316 and 3.315, using both the updater, and the full install.
I'll add it to the bug list, and report it to the developers.
EDIT: Did you notice any other bugs (besides this one)?
--Noam
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Not that I noticed. The bug I found is a PITA to get rid of, plus I hadn't backed up my .ahx files before totally uninstalling it, so now the tedious process of recreating the all the .ahx files I had, one at a time. Dumb me. Won't catch me doing that again!!
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... plus I hadn't backed up my .ahx files before totally uninstalling it...
I haven't uninstalled AHP in a long time.
Does it really delete the AXH files when it uninstalls?
What happens if you store them in a different folder (you can store them anywhere you want, as long as AHP can get to them to open them)?
(Note: this is NOT a product plug - just passing along what I do)
I have a nightly backup routine, that backs up my data folder (where I keep my AHX files - and just about everything else) to a second hard drive. I use a program called SyncBackSE, which is small, inexpensive (yes, I know there are free products out there, too), and does nice incremental backups, with versioning capability (I have it set to keep 14 previous versions of each file). It helps prevent accidental deletions, as long as the files were on the hard drive overnight to get backed up initially.
I know there are other products out there that will monitor the drive, and backup new files as soon as they appear. I didn't need that, though.
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... plus I hadn't backed up my .ahx files before totally uninstalling it...
I haven't uninstalled AHP in a long time.
Does it really delete the AXH files when it uninstalls?
What happens if you store them in a different folder (you can store them anywhere you want, as long as AHP can get to them to open them)?
(Note: this is NOT a product plug - just passing along what I do)
I have a nightly backup routine, that backs up my data folder (where I keep my AHX files - and just about everything else) to a second hard drive. I use a program called SyncBackSE, which is small, inexpensive (yes, I know there are free products out there, too), and does nice incremental backups, with versioning capability (I have it set to keep 14 previous versions of each file). It helps prevent accidental deletions, as long as the files were on the hard drive overnight to get backed up initially.
I know there are other products out there that will monitor the drive, and backup new files as soon as they appear. I didn't need that, though.
If you uninstall AHP without backing up the .ahx files, you loose them. That's why I recommend always backing up the .ahx files to separate media, so if the PC happens to die, the .ahx files are not lost.
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Noticed a possible bug. ??? After the upgrade, I now receive duplicate emails from my Alerts within AHP. For example, I have setup within AHP, to email me when doors open up with the DS10a. I always received one email notification that the particular door opened; now I get it twice. Has anyone else noticed this?
Thanks,
Nate
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Noticed a possible bug. ??? After the upgrade, I now receive duplicate emails from my Alerts within AHP. For example, I have setup within AHP, to email me when doors open up with the DS10a. I always received one email notification that the particular door opened; now I get it twice. Has anyone else noticed this?
Thanks,
Nate
Nate -
I have seen something similar (but not exactly the same), but it actually was introduced much earlier than this version. In my case, anything that the CM15A was doing from the time the PC was booted (or X10nets was restarted) until I opened AHP would happen twice (macros would run twice, timer events would run twice, etc). Once I opened AHP (even if I closed it afterward), it went back to the normal operation of running everything once. I reported this to the developers back in March.
Is AHP open when you are doing this testing?
Do other commands run twice, as well?
If you have a macro that runs a sequence of events (or can create one), can you test to see if each item runs twice? The way it happens for me (and I haven't tested with e-mails), the entire sequence runs through, then it runs the sequence a second time (as opposed to running each command twice).
It seems to happen for me only with macros and timers.
If anyone else can reproduce this, I'll add it to the bug list and report it to the developers. They may ask for more information so they can reproduce the results.
If, however, it is the same thing I'm seeing, then it is already in the list.
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When comes the update version for europa ???
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We have no clue on European versions and updates.
X10 doesn't even give us any advanced notice when ours is updated.
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Maby better,than all problems with the new update and sdk already sold rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
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Noticed a possible bug. ??? After the upgrade, I now receive duplicate emails from my Alerts within AHP. For example, I have setup within AHP, to email me when doors open up with the DS10a. I always received one email notification that the particular door opened; now I get it twice. Has anyone else noticed this?
Thanks,
Nate
Nate -
I have seen something similar (but not exactly the same), but it actually was introduced much earlier than this version. In my case, anything that the CM15A was doing from the time the PC was booted (or X10nets was restarted) until I opened AHP would happen twice (macros would run twice, timer events would run twice, etc). Once I opened AHP (even if I closed it afterward), it went back to the normal operation of running everything once. I reported this to the developers back in March.
Is AHP open when you are doing this testing?
Do other commands run twice, as well?
If you have a macro that runs a sequence of events (or can create one), can you test to see if each item runs twice? The way it happens for me (and I haven't tested with e-mails), the entire sequence runs through, then it runs the sequence a second time (as opposed to running each command twice).
It seems to happen for me only with macros and timers.
If anyone else can reproduce this, I'll add it to the bug list and report it to the developers. They may ask for more information so they can reproduce the results.
If, however, it is the same thing I'm seeing, then it is already in the list.
Hi Noam,
Sorry did not log in over the weekend.
Did not realize this maybe an earlier bug as it did not rear it's ugly head for me until this latest update of 3.318. All my macros and timers appear to run normally it just seems to only be with the email notifications from DS10a macros. I have the CM15a plugged into my AHP pc that runs 24x7 with AHP, BVC, WeatherAloud and NewsAloud. I will be glad to test further, as i have many Macros and timers (timed events). One thing to note, is that this issue only stems from a DS10a macro to email me if one has been triggered. I do not get a duplicate email when a MS16a motion sensor is tripped. Weird. ???
I will review my Activity monitor and keep an eye on other items such as the macro's within the Activity monitor.
Cheers,
Nate
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Nate -
I don't any security sensors, or the Onalert module, so I can't tell you for sure if it is the same issue or not.
Is this a macro triggered by the DS10A, or is there a built-in option to send an e-mail when the sensor is triggered?
If it is a macro, check the Activity monitor. Do you see the macro being triggered twice?
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Nate -
I don't any security sensors, or the Onalert module, so I can't tell you for sure if it is the same issue or not.
Is this a macro triggered by the DS10A, or is there a built-in option to send an e-mail when the sensor is triggered?
If it is a macro, check the Activity monitor. Do you see the macro being triggered twice?
Hi Noam,
It is a macro triggered by the DS10A to send an email. And this duplicate email just started after the 3.318 upgrade, at least for me. I am not home right now, but I logged in remotely and ran the macro manually and it worked as it should with one email sent. Of course the Activity monitor did not show the activity; so now when I get home, I will open the door and check the Activity monitor to see the log and keep you posted. Hey Noam, Thanks for your help on this.
Cheers,
Nate
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Noticed after monitoring my Activity monitor that some (only some) macro's are duplicated but not all. ??? ??? And it just started for me with this latest update; which is very bizarre, especially if this bug was introduced in the past.
Noam, you were able to get normal operation by closing AHP and restarting?
I tried rebooting, closing AHP and making sure x10net was terminated and restarted AHP, but so far the duplicated emails remain or duplication of some macros.
Thanks,
Nate
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Noticed after monitoring my Activity monitor that some (only some) macro's are duplicated but not all. ??? ??? And it just started for me with this latest update; which is very bizarre, especially if this bug was introduced in the past.
Noam, you were able to get normal operation by closing AHP and restarting?
I tried rebooting, closing AHP and making sure x10net was terminated and restarted AHP, but so far the duplicated emails remain or duplication of some macros.
Thanks,
Nate
Nate -
It sounds like a bug (but it might be part of the existing bug, and not a new one).
What are the triggers for those macros?
Is there a difference between macros triggered by a DS10A and those triggered by other things (motion sensor, PalmPad, timer, other non-security device)?
Are you seeing the command send by the DS10A twice in the Activity Monitor? (perhaps it got jostled, and the switch triggers twice for the same motion?)
Is there a difference if you restart the PC (WITHOUT opening AHP), and then open AHP (closing it afterward is fine)?
The symptoms I see are that macros or timers seem to run twice between the time that the X10nets service was started (either from the PC booting up, or me stopping and restarting the service), and the time AHP is opened for the first time. Once AHP has been opened (even if I close it again), I don't get the duplicate commands.
I haven't seen any other reports of this, and I don't have a DS10A to test with, but I'll make sure the developers are aware of it, because I'm sure they have the components to test it with.
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Hi Noam,
Attached are some snapshots of my macros and activity monitor. I have all my DS10a for all doors email me as in the jpg attachments which I now get twice. I have a MS16a in the mailbox that emails me (I did not include in pictures, but can if needed) when it sense motion of the mailbox door and then emails me to let me know that I have mail; I get this email once as I expect. It is the same type of macro, except the HC/UC is the trigger rather than a DS10a trigger and sends an email. So to answer your question: "Is there a difference between macros triggered by a DS10A and those triggered by other things (motion sensor, PalmPad, timer, other non-security device)?" I would say "No, except the HC/UC and sensor trigger.
For your other questions:
Are you seeing the command send by the DS10A twice in the Activity Monitor? No
Is there a difference if you restart the PC (WITHOUT opening AHP), and then open AHP (closing it afterward is fine)? I will need to try, as I have AHP in the Windows StartUp Folder, so I will need to remove and try.
Again thanks for all your help and working through this. I will keep you posted as to the last question.
Hopefully we can get this resolved, as it is filling up my Inbox like crazy!! :o :'(
Thanks,
Nate
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Nate -
If AHP opens automatically when you start the PC, then it sounds like a different (but possible related) bug.
I'll add it to the list, I guess.
If it ALWAYS happens with a "Security" triggered Macro, and it NEVER happens with a "HC/UC" triggered macro, then it definitely sounds like consistent enough behavior.
The only other thing I might suggest is to add in a 0-second delay at the beginning of the macro, and see if that makes any difference in the way it executes (though I doubt it will).
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I've had the same issue of duplicate email alerts sent to my cell phone since the upgrade to 3.318. It happens with any security macro event triggered by any security module/controller, ie. - motion sensor, window sensor, arming device, etc. Activity log shows only the single event, but still get 2 text messages. Hmm -:) is this considered a bug or an enhancement - gets your attention doesn't it! :'
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Thanks for the confirmation, Delibaker. It definitely gets your attention but if you use the email feature, it fills your inbox up quick. I have the email sent to my phone, or I should say I receive my emails on my phone, ;) and it is a pain to filter through that mess.
Cheers,
Nate
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Thanks for the confirmation. It definitely sounds like a bug to me.
I've already added the bug to the list, and let the developers know about it.
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Thanks for the confirmation, Delibaker. It definitely gets your attention but if you use the email feature, it fills your inbox up quick. I have the email sent to my phone, or I should say I receive my emails on my phone, ;) and it is a pain to filter through that mess.
Cheers,
Nate
Hi Nate,
I have my notifications emailed to my cell phone carrier who then forwards them to my phone as a text message which arrives within 30 - 45 seconds after the event. Set the notifications up as usual but use your carriers messaging service email address. I use Sprint and the email address to send to is xxxxxxxxxx@messaging.sprintpcs.com, where x's are my cell #. Then no need to filter the text messages.
HTH,
DeliBaker