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🖥️ActiveHome Pro => ActiveHome Pro General => Topic started by: Gismo on November 11, 2011, 11:14:40 PM
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So I can't find any CM15A's. I wanted to get Activehome and start getting into some cameras. I found this package on x10 and would like your opinion since i'm kinda new only with lamp modules. http://www.x10.com/promotions/xx32a_ed_4cam_free_bonus.html?EM
This has the Active Home Pro software, and iWatch with some cameras and of course the CM19A & TM751.
I have a mini timer so my lamp modules are controlled with that.
I wanted Active Home to use for special times like xmas lights, and halloween lights, flashing and diming stuff. I also wanted to try the cameras with iWatch over the internet. So i figured this package would be my best bet for now since i feel the CM15A's are gone for ever.
I already have 1 TM751 that I use for remote turning on/offlights. So i guess i could use the new TM751 on a different house code with the software for the cameras.
I'm not interested to have internet control of my lights.
Just want to use Activehome for special times and try the cameras via the internet while on business trips.
I feel x10 may be gone soon so do you think this package will do what i want it to do?
thanks all
ps i asked 2 online x10 people and they said they may not get anymore CM15A's.......too bad x10 wont just come out and say it
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Two distributors still list the CM15A on eBay for prices ranging from $80 to $110. The highest price one comes with all the additional software.
Jeff
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Is it worth spending 110 for the CM15A
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Considering the CM19/TM751 combine is a poor substitute for the CM15A, it's a better interface. Paying $80.00 and above is the only choice at this time. We can only hope X10 gets a supply of the CM15A again.
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Ok I ordered one from Automated outlet with no software. Also I figured I would order the x10 package that includes:
Smart Macro Software Module for ActiveHome Pro (SW32A)
iWatchOut Software Module for ActiveHome Pro (SW33A)
myHouse Online Software Module for ActiveHome Pro (SW34A)
ActiveHome Professional Software (SW31A)
ActiveHome Pro - Home Security Solution (SW39A)
ActiveHome Professional Computer Interface and USB Cable (CM15A) or the CM19/TM751 kit for 49.99
This way I would have the CM15A and the CM19/TM751 kit incase one controller died. Since I doubt x10 will ever have more.
Then I will look into a small camera package, I would only need 2.
I hope this will do what I put in my first post?????
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Use the CM15A, it's much better that the CM19A/TM751 combine. You can use the TM751 with a SS13A Stick-A-Switch to control up to 3 modules.
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Wow, I took a short nap, and when I woke up, the CM15A was not only discontinued, but out-of-stock. With no new replacement. I mean, no one here is beta testing something, are they?
B:(
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... I mean, no one here is beta testing something, are they?
I can tell you this much. I've been working with the head of the AHP development team for over a year now, on various issues I had (which we were able to fix), and also as a liaison for the users here.
He knows that I'm eager to beta-test any new X10 hardware (and software - he has given me "preview" releases of some AHP stuff in the past), and I haven't not heard about any new CM15A replacement. If they were having it beta-tested outside the company, I would have hoped he would have said something to me.
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I don't think X10 is manufacturing much these days.
Some web sites say X10 has closed the plant in China completely.
We have seen a trend of third party items prominently displayed on the sales site. While X10 items are showing less everyday and lots of "Equal or Better" {X10s words not ours} substitutions in orders. Like the CM15K is a CM19A with TM751 sub for a real CM15A.
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I can tell you this much. I've been working with the head of the AHP development team for over a year now, on various issues I had (which we were able to fix), and also as a liaison for the users here.
He knows that I'm eager to beta-test any new X10 hardware (and software - he has given me "preview" releases of some AHP stuff in the past), and I haven't not heard about any new CM15A replacement. If they were having it beta-tested outside the company, I would have hoped he would have said something to me.
Yea, I worked directly with the original head of the dev team up until he left X10. I beta tested the CM11A, CM14A, CM15A, as well as many other items. I would hate to see the evolution of the AH series of controllers come to a complete dead end.
With the loss of the CM15A, will X10 still invest in AHP software development anymore?
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Well they did add support for the CM19A and even the older CM11A to AHP.
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My local cable company [time-warner] is offering Time Warner Cable IntelligentHome (http://www.timewarnercable.com/Corporate/site.faqs/HomeManage/TimeWarner/What-is-Time-Warner-Cable-Inte) although... I don't think they are actually installing in my area... yet. They say: It provides next-generation home security, automation, energy management and much more. With this system, customers are always connected to their home. They have touchscreen and the whole nine yards as part of their systems.
The hold-back for automation [IMHO] has always been the lack of reliable technical and engineering support. X10 has always been for the DIY types... like all of us regulars here. Maybe X10 has seen the writting on the wall with the changes in automation. Maybe X10 is looking for ways to continue to fit in with the services others (like the cable compay) will be providing. To provide the IntelligentHome features [Time-Warner is advertising]... I would guess it would require a pretty niffy IP accessable interface controller. Maybe there version of a CM15A already controls all the automation protocols.... X10 included.
I don't think it's over! I think Home Automation is just now entering into the mainstream. We've hobbied around the edges of what automation is really capable of for many years. I think we're on the verge.... of an explosion of advancement.
But I am glad I have some back-up and spare parts too!
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just some info....
when i ordered, the guy from x10 sounded like he know what was going on. He said...the CMA15A was not cost effective and they were not going to have anymore. So will X10 still invest in AHP software development anymore? I would guess yes for a while since they are still pushing the CM19/TM751 kit. But how long?
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... since they are still pushing the CM19/TM751 kit. But how long?
Until they use up all the CM19/TM751 plastic cases/circuit boards in inventory? That's what it looked like they did with IBM, RCA, Magnavox and other cases they had on hand when those companies stopped selling X-10.
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..... So will X10 still invest in AHP software development anymore? I would guess yes for a while since they are still pushing the CM19/TM751 kit. But how long?
Does it matter?
There are a few other softwares out there that run on PCs... that will control the CM15A. AHP has some advantage's... for sure... particularly with the suites, or plugins. However much of the plug-in stuff requires a running computer. As well, the CM15A memory and processing is so woefully underpowered that I think many [if not most people] use the CM15A in conjunction with a Home Automation Computer anyway. Wouldn't a free DownLoad of ihouse [or similar software] work just as well for most people currently using AHP with a PC? I am hoping to see a Android tablet-based AHP lookalike soon.
From my experience with automation forums... I think most people want to actually wield control over their devices themselves, anyway. Not program intelligence into the machine so it can cleverly control itself. That always puzzled me a bit... but I guess it's human nature. However, if you do run just the CM15A [maybe with seasonal or holiday programs] certainly you have AHP on more than one PC (Maybe even on that old XP laptop in the back closet). Putting your AHP files on a flash drive for backup, or emailing them out to yourself in an email attachment is ALWAYS a good, safe practice.
Even old XP computers seem to last like the energizer bunny anymore. And I've only read of a couple of the CM15A's dieing of natural causes. So most working setups should be good for several years... maybe decades.... with a little careful planning. And new devices are certainly on there way (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=25497.msg143784#msg143784). X10's protocol is still the standard and most popular as far as existing devices and automation users. I don't think we will soon be forgotten by new device manufacturer's.
Many of the old timers here at this forum... are active on other automation forums as well as this one. Some even have their own forums. As problems arise... or the landscape changes... solutions and work-arounds will be found. We're all in this together.... and its all going to work out just fine.
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To provide a reliable X10 powerline interface for PC-based automation systems, I recently introduced the XTB-232. That supports the CM11A "real-time" protocol. It doesn't have a timer, and will not support timed events or macros. People are using it with HomeSeer and Home Control Assistant (which has a free X10 version). It also supports ActiveHome and ActiveHome Pro when running on the PC.
It has been discussed in this thread: http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=22578.0
Jeff
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To provide a reliable X10 powerline interface for PC-based automation systems, I recently introduced the XTB-232. .... It has been discussed in this thread: http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=22578.0
And maybe I should have mentioned that! Sorry... you are certainly a primary "problem solver" in regards to X10 and Home Automation. And I think and feel there will always be people (like you JeffVolp) that will always jump in and fill the voids that need filled... or fix the problems that need a fixed. I remain confident that we X10 users will remain able to control our automated homes.
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I spoke with a technician at smarthome today and asked them if they had heard anything about the cm15a and this is the conversation...
07:50:41 AM [Joe ] Have you heard anything about the cm15a? Is there going to be a replacement...is it discontinued. Just curious if you had heard something through the grapevine.
07:51:36 AM [Danny] It is discontinued, and honestly, X10 has stopped production on just about all of their items, if not all of them by this point so there will never be a direct replacement for that one.
07:52:45 AM [Joe ] Oh....to bad they are not being honest with their customers. They are introducing new products but you think they are getting out of the modules and other controllers?
07:54:45 AM [Danny] The most recent information I heard was that they closed their Hong Kong plant which is where they make most of their devices, and then ramped down the company. I don;t know if it means they are going out of business or eventually plan to stop production all together, but I know that Smarthome has slowly started phasing out all of their devices because of it.
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I suspect "Danny" at Smarthome is blowing smoke.
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It's always possible that Danny has been reading the same rumours that everyone else has :)
What Danny says there is almost exactly what I've read on this very forum. I would imagine that Smarthome is phasing out X10 produced devices due to
a) poor supply lines,
b) in order to better promote their own X10 devices, or
c) all of the above
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Norm has been communicating with X10 via Facebook... see attached, below:
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Interesting! The X10 rep is very firm in their statements...no wiggle room at all. I read that as good news. I guess time will tell.
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I don't believe anything the Facebook x10 guy says about the the CM15A or other modules. I've made 4 orders in the last few months and asked questions. They all came right out and said no more CM15A's. One sales guy told me to hurry up and find one on Ebay before they are all gone. So I found one at Automated outlet and now they are sold out. X10 is now selling a new security system and IP camera that is not compatable with X10 modules. I like what HA Dave said about his cable company and security systems. My cable company Xfinity called me this week, bragging that they had the best cheap security system, and it would turn on and flash lights when tripped. I had to laugh to myself. It basically does evert thing that X10 can do. Turn lights on over the internet, monitor cameras, use your iphone. It was $199 + a monthy monitoring fee.
When the X10 facebook person says they are just out of stock, I have to hold my comments. Maybe they are trying to find a few hundred is storage someplace. But after that I think they will be gone fore ever, that's my guess.
Well..... I have lamp modules and timers that are (Radio Shack) 25 years old and still work without a glitch. I purchased a CM15A and some other x10 stuff so I'm set.
Good Luck All
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OK - let me play devils's advocate...
What is the downside to no more CM15A's. (besides replacing a defective unit)
What does the CM15A do that can't be done with a CPU running the AHP software?
1.) You can store the Macro's and timers in it. So it becomes standalone.
2.) It talks over RF if and only if you tell it to (so you can talk to a TM751 or RR501 that is on another house phase.)
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3.) With no power line receiver. You can't trigger any events from a power line trigger signal.
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I'd wait awhile. What was posted before is the CM15a will be available in a while, but no time frame was given.
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Another theory:
They closed their Hong Kong Chinese factory (that seems to be more fact than theory).
Maybe they are opening a new production facility up elsewhere (somewhere cheaper, perhaps), and it takes time to ramp up production?
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Was the factory in Hong Kong or mainland China?
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I don't believe anything the Facebook x10 guy says about the the CM15A or other modules. I've made 4 orders in the last few months and asked questions. They all came right out and said no more CM15A's. One sales guy told me to hurry up and find one on EBay before they are all gone.
What we have here is contradicting information. I chose to believe BOTH (I've never known X10 to outright lie). I'd say the people (sales people) you spoke with on the phone gave your the best information they had (never promise the customer anything you can't make happen). Then I'd guess the marketing person on FaceBook honestly said "we will have more CM15A's... but with no promised date".
It hasn't been unusual for X10 to run out of stock of an item... particularly an older one.
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Time will tell......
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Was the factory in Hong Kong or mainland China?
I don't know. I might have been wrong on the location, but it was one of the two.
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They closed their Hong Kong factory (that seems to be more fact than theory).
Was the factory in Hong Kong or mainland China?
Although for a century Hong Kong was under British law... that hasn't been the case for many years (the lease expired July 1, 1997). Since then both Hong Kong and the mainland has been allowed to practice capitalism. Capitalism, wasn't tolerated on the mainland before then. No matter what was said... I can't imagine any person (let alone an American Company) owning a factory in mainland China prior to '97). Even now most manufacturing is done in co-ops... where the factory is owned by the workers on the line or by the town/city government where it is located. China remains a communist nation. Their new mix of capitalism-communist... hasn't completely played out yet.
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Sorry, I made a mistake. I went back and corrected it.
From the one article that everyone has quoted (which itself might have been entirely made up), it looks like the factory was not in Hong Kong, but elsewhere in China.
(Would you have gotten this upset with me had I accidentally said the factory was in Japan?)
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From a HomeToys article by Dave Rye, VP of X-10 who was with them at the beginning...
- http://www.hometoys.com/news_detail.php?section=view&id=15812638
Right from the beginning we intended that X10 products would be produced at low cost and in high volume so we set out to manufacture the products in the Far East. At first we used sub-contractors in Malaysia. By 1984 we had moved manufacturing to Hong Kong, had set up an office there, and at one point were managing 17 sub-contractors. This became a managerial nightmare. We found out that some of our sub-contractors were sub-sub-contracting into China. We thought “if they can do that, so can we” so we set up our own factory in China. Our first factory was in an area of Shenzhen that at the time was little more than a village. Now, 20 years later that area looks just like Hong Kong. We have since moved further into China, outside the first Shenzhen border. X10 was one of the pioneer western companies to set up shop in China.
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... some of our sub-contractors were sub-sub-contracting into China. We thought “if they can do that, so can we” so we set up our own factory in China.
That sounds to me as if they had an office in Hong Kong.... and from there found contractors that made the parts on the mainland. Likely it was done with batch lot purchases (that is the way clothing is made for designers labels). "Set up" doesn't sound like built, owned, or purchased... to me. Although they may have had working relationships with some vendor or vendors that lasted for many years. But the odd subcontractor or compeating vendor would explain why the products often change without any real notice or identification.
China's standard of living has risen dramatically in recent years. The dream of owning a Flying Pigeon Bicycle... has evolved into a Home and an automobile. It ain't easy to find a place to make cheap electronic parts.
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Was the factory in Hong Kong or mainland China?
In searching around, I found this...
Hin Chew Chung
Owner of X-10 Wireless
$492 million loss due to failed IPO which led to the end of X10
by means of its forced bankruptcy dissolution in August 2011,
due to its exposé by Escape from Paradise
By Julie Jacobson, August 11, 2011
X10 is shutting down. It appears the company is headed into receivership and its factories will cease making products for controlling lights and other devices over the powerline.
X10 will no longer make products based on the home-control protocol it created in the 1970s.
http://www.escapefromparadise.com/NewFiles/chc.html
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By Julie Jacobson, August 11, 2011
X10 is shutting down. It appears the company is headed into receivership ..................
I exchanged emails with Julie and posted here at the forum about them. She admitted that she made up that "X10's August announcement" (it NEVER happend and she knows that)... but she is happy people are repeating it.
http://www.escapefromparadise.com/NewFiles/chc.html
Does that really look like a serious Web Site? No one that has ever earned a dollar would think X10 is worth (or has EVER been worth) $492 million dollars. That can't be real.
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http://www.escapefromparadise.com/NewFiles/chc.html
Does that really look like a serious Web Site?
I guess you have never seen X10's website, have you? :'
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By Julie Jacobson, August 11, 2011
X10 is shutting down. It appears the company is headed into receivership ..................
I exchanged emails with Julie and posted here at the forum about them. She admitted that she made up that "X10's August announcement" (it NEVER happend and she knows that)... but she is happy people are repeating it.
http://www.escapefromparadise.com/NewFiles/chc.html
Does that really look like a serious Web Site? No one that has ever earned a dollar would think X10 is worth (or has EVER been worth) $492 million dollars. That can't be real.
What bothers me about this whole story is that X10 still seems to be shifting directions (rapidly), they have big shortages of come very popular items (like the CM15A), and they haven't said anything to counter the claims.
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......... they haven't said anything to counter the claims.
Pardon? I myself have RE-posted where X10 said they were not going anywhere (here on the forum) And just yesterday I posted the image of your conversation with X10... on FaceBook.
We're all grownups here. We all know the entire world is going to crap. The American government is 15 TRILLION in debt... so much debt that there is NO WAY it can pay even the interest... so it just prints 150 billion or so each month to cover itself. GM went belly up... for Gods sake! The worlds largest most stable bank [Bank of America] teeters on government aid [which is fake printed money]. Some time next week... all of Europe is going to have to decide to succumb to Germain control.
And... I am suppose to concern myself about if X10 has filed for protection from creditors.... just like every airline in America has. I don't think so. Heck... I am posting this on X10's Web Site... I pretty sure it's here.
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......... they haven't said anything to counter the claims.
Pardon? I myself have RE-posted where X10 said they were not going anywhere (here on the forum) And just yesterday I posted the image of your conversation with X10... on FaceBook.
We're all grownups here. We all know the entire world is going to crap. The American government is 15 TRILLION in debt... so much debt that there is NO WAY it can pay even the interest... so it just prints 150 billion or so each month to cover itself. GM went belly up... for Gods sake! The worlds largest most stable bank [Bank of America] teeters on government aid [which is fake printed money]. Some time next week... all of Europe is going to have to decide to succumb to Germain control.
And... I am suppose to concern myself about if X10 has filed for protection from creditors.... just like every airline in America has. I don't think so. Heck... I am posting this on X10's Web Site... I pretty sure it's here.
That's not exactly what I meant. I was referring to the extensive discussion we've had here for the past few months, with not a peep from X10 here on the forums on those topics (to my knowledge). Yes, we've gotten a word here or there by email or on Facebook, but nothing definitive, and nothing (that I know of) posted HERE by an X10 rep.
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Ok lets see
No Cm15A's
now the x10 site says....
ActiveHome Starter Kit OUT OF STOCK
ActiveHome 9-Piece Home Automation Starter Kit OUT OF STOCK
ActiveHome PC Magazine's Editors' Choice Kit OUT OF STOCK
Dual Floodlight Motion Detector with remote light control OUT OF STOCK
POWERFLASH Burglar Alarm Interface OUT OF STOCK
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...... I was referring to the extensive discussion we've had here for the past few months, with not a peep from X10 here on the forums on those topics
You have a great point! But from the years I've been reading and posting here at the forums... that is pretty much what I've come to expect. The staff doesn't seem to spent much time or effort with the forum. They do seem pretty proud of the call-in technical staff and the number of customers they support by phone. But the company culture doesn't seem to value the forum. That is just the way it is.
And your right... we've been having this same discussion about X10 closing its doors... since August. It really doesn't take months to lock doors and shut off the lights. I can't believe this keeps coming back up.
I think in order to find and establish new foreign electronic manufactures X10 will have to boost there cash reserves. Right now banks are being forced by the government to buy treasuries with the fed money they normally would use for lending. For X10 building up cash may mean selling some tablets and SkyLinks... and I wish them well.
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OUT OF STOCK....OUT OF STOCK...OUT OF STOCK
Yeah I know... it doesn't look good. I am not trying to paint a pretty picture of or for X10. Things really don't look good! I am the first to admit it. Things look really crappy... almost everywhere. X10 isn't just included.... X10 is likely about normal with other American companies.
I really hope X10 turns things around for the company. Even if that means selling other products that have nothing to do with the X10 protocol. Whatever it takes to get through these times... to keep the doors open... or Web Pages serving. Other low cost electronic manufactures will be found at some point.
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If X10 goes out, how will AHP software be registered for reinstalling (on a new hard drive)? Doesn't the registration confirmation come from their servers?
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.... Doesn't the registration confirmation come from their servers?
Yes it does. And.... what happens if the world experiences a monetary collapse, and the government shuts down the phones and Internet to reduce riots? Or what if the power station that supplies our electric is coal powered and is forced by the EPA to shutdown (many are scheduled to be). Will the future rolling brown-outs damage household electronic equipment? If something was to happen to a Home Automation user, like myself... is there support for our widows? Who will manage my HA computer if something happens to me? What happens if the aquifer becomes polluted? Could we run out of drinking water? If the Earths core cools... will electronics still work? I drive a Saturn.... since they stopped making them... can I still buy parts? Is there laws that regulate such things as receivership and bankruptcy? What happens if some blogger somewhere in Europe... starts a rumor that the American Army has taken over the White House? Will it be true?
I am sorry. I just get a little worn out with the what-ifs that have been popping up on the forums.
I would imagine that any bankruptcy judge worth his salt would force some funds to be set aside for server rental.... for a period of time. There are other automation forums on the Web.... and many of the same people that post here also post at them. There will ALWAYS be workarounds, and solutions, and helpful people sharing them on the Internet.
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If X10 goes out, how will AHP software be registered for reinstalling (on a new hard drive)? Doesn't the registration confirmation come from their servers?
I agree with HA Dave answer. But you are probably asking "is there a workaround?". The current answer is no. You move on to some other HA software that can use the CM15A as an interface.
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Now HA Dave has given me a lot more to worry about (and he's the optimist)! ;D
And tnx Dave W...Guess I'll just hang with you guys and follow the group.
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Wish I had read this a week ago! X10 is still misleading its customers! My CM15A died. I ordered an Active Home Pro Kit for a replacement, I can always use a few spare modules. The package I ordered listed the CM15A, and showed its picture. I just checked X10.com and it still does! I did see some kits with cell phone control that showed the CM19A, but that was not what I ordered. Even my shipping invoice says CM15A. It does have a note that parts sent may not match but will be equal or better than what was ordered.
What a joke, I received a totally worthless CM19A and TM751 as a substitute.
Sad Sad way to do business. I called customer service and was on hold over an hour before I gave up. Then I tried the email route, and am still waiting.
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What a joke, I received a totally worthless CM19A and TM751 as a substitute.
Sad Sad way to do business. I called customer service and was on hold over an hour before I gave up. Then I tried the email route, and am still waiting.
If they send you something that was not the same as what you ordered, and they won't respond to you, I suggest you go through your credit card company for a resolution.
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I don't remember exactly what it was when I checked it awhile back. B- maybe. X10's BBB rating has slipped presently to D+.
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The fact that X10 is shipping whatever is laying around and not responding to customers leads me to believe they are nearing the end. I am becoming concerned that this vast storehouse of information may disappear. I wonder if any of this stuff is mirrored elsewhere.
Jeff
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The fact that X10 is shipping whatever is laying around and not responding to customers leads me to believe they are nearing the end. I am becoming concerned that this vast storehouse of information may disappear. I wonder if any of this stuff is mirrored elsewhere.
Jeff
The only thing wrong with that theory is that they keep introducing more new (non-X10) products.
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I think X10 as we know it maybe a thing of the past, but will go on somehow.
With third party automation devices replacing their modules it can't be a good sign.
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I think X10 as we know it maybe a thing of the past, but will go on somehow.
With third party automation devices replacing their modules it can't be a good sign.
Well, if they really are dropping their "X10" products, let's hope that someone else jumps in to pick up the slack (like SmartHome seems to be doing with their newest X10 modules).
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I think the X10 PLC Protocol is likely to survive elsewhere. When Smarthome bought Switchlinc a few years back, one of the original partners in Switchlinc took the money and ran but I believe the other original partner has been the primary developer of Insteon. He, of course, also has a great deal of X10 expertise so Smarthome will likely offer X10 capable products far into the future. They will cost more, but the quality will be higher, as well.
There may be other entrants. Irave (Italy) wanted to get into the US market about 8-10 years ago but backed away. They might look again if X10 stops supplying this market. Irave's transmitters did not load the powerline so you could have two-way devices without worrying about attenuation.
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And although I KNOW it will never happen, I can always *wish* that Jeff Volp would produce his own line of X10 modules.
If Smarthome were truly "Smart," they would contract with Jeff to design the products, and then they could use their existing pipelines to produce and sell it.
Wishful thinking, I know.
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My comment was not whether X10 will continue as a viable automation system. I believe it will as others continue to offer products. And maybe new companies will also enter the market now that they don't have to compete with the X10 bargain basement pricing.
I am concerned about the future of this forum. Many of us have contributed hundreds of hours providing this information. What happens to that stored knowledge if someone is not there to fund the server?
Regarding the X10 protocol, the project I have just started to work on may be the answer to the proliferation of noise sources we have today. Simulations show it should just about null out anything on the powerline (at the distribution panel) that is not a valid X10 command (error checked). There can still be a noise source on an individual circuit, but its effect would be severely reduced, and limited to just that one circuit.
Jeff
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Do any of the user-admins have access to archive the entire site content, and possibly mirror it externally?
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Let's hope so, because if X10 drops it, it's lost forever.
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Do any of the user-admins have access to archive the entire site content, and possibly mirror it externally?
Some time ago.... Yahoo dropped its free Web Site. Many of us (me included) had used the free Site to host personal Pages and Pictures that we could link to from the forum. We prepared for Yahoo to drop the Sites and we recovered as many images as we could. But was able to recover more... even after the Yahoo Site closed down.
Let's hope so, because if X10 drops it, it's lost forever.
Some years ago.... someone got the idea that since the government had a near limitless supply of money.... there should be creative new ways to spend money. They came up with the idea of backing up.... The ENTIRE INTERNET. It's called the Wayback project (http://www.archive.org/web/web.php). Thanks to the the Wayback project (http://www.archive.org/web/web.php) everything ever posted anywhere on the Internet will always be available... safely stored on a server.... for as long as the government has surpluses of money.
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Since you can exclude a website from being archived by a very simple process, it may be that X10 blocked the robot and this site is not archived.
However, the site below probably is.
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayback_machine
I believe I mentioned this before but HostMonster, which I use for my website, periodically runs specials - today you can set up a site for $3.95/month if you prepay for a year. I imagine the volunteer adminstrators could finance that thru donations (and have beer money left over). The question is whether X10 would allow duplicating the forum content of this site, assuming Sherman & Mr. Peabody haven't archived it.
- http://www.hostmonster.com/?lo=1
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I wonder how much is here. I wonder how much disc space the forums use. Could the data be compressed and Downloaded?
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I wonder how much is here. I wonder how much disc space the forums use. Could the data be compressed and Downloaded?
Yes - there are freeware apps that will d/l and archive a website. But you need access. If none of the administrators have that access, perhaps those who have worked with X10 before could ask their contacts. I expect he's now retired but I always found Dave Rye both accessible and responsive.
The HostMonster price includes unlimited space and bandwidth. (That's their terminology - I'm sure that unlimited probably doesn't mean infinite space and bandwidth.)
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.... The HostMonster price includes unlimited space and bandwidth. (That's their terminology - I'm sure that unlimited probably doesn't mean infinite space and bandwidth.)
I think many of the big Web hosts offer unlimited plans. But disallow music and/or video in the unlimited plans. Most Web Pages only contain a few KB of data (as I am sure you know) so it would require millions of hits to tie up much bandwidth. I would guess there must be some limits to images (AKA porn) as that could use up large amounts of both disc storage space as well bandwidth transferring the images.
A couple of the administrators own their own domains with forums. They should be able to make a good guess about the volume of storage space that might be required for a forum this size. I know Bill's BVC Forum (http://wgjohns.com/forums/index.php)... even uses the exact same format.
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I expect he's now retired but I always found Dave Rye both accessible and responsive.
As of August 2011, Dave was still at X10.
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.... The HostMonster price includes unlimited space and bandwidth. (That's their terminology - I'm sure that unlimited probably doesn't mean infinite space and bandwidth.)
I chatted with Bill last night (very late) and did a little guesstimating... and my best guess has the raw forum data (no membership lists or such) at around 2 gigs. If I am even close to correct it could all fit on a data DVD.
However... I think a book by someone like yourself or Brian H (and/or others) might make for a better reference and trouble shooting guide. Distrubited via the Internet as a PDF (for profit) might be the best form of preserved knowledge. IMHO.
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I've already committed to more than I'm likely to finish. If I take on more, I likely will be committed. ;)
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Re site access. Check with your friendly neighborhood hacker. I believe there are below the radar apps that can download and untangle sites without the owner's permission. Feel free to delete this email after the right people have read it.
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As we are looking at the extermination of the cm15a I was just wondering if the insteon PowerLinc Modem - INSTEON USB Interface (Dual-Band) will work as a interface for x10. I don't use active home pro. I use third party applications to control my setup. Just a thought I saw it as I was searching for x10 compatible switches that are two way compatible.
Please let me know your thoughts on this. I currently have a few cm15a but would like ot research an alternative in the even that they fail and x10 doesn't restock them.
>! Ken
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The 2412U/S PLM and 2413U/S can send and receive X10 signals but not anywhere close to what AHP can run on.
The PLM does not have any memory in it for downloading timers and macros. It needs a computer or dedicated microcontroller 24/7 to be used.
Now that Smarthome has started selling X10 only two way modules again. Who know what else they may change.
I saw you request in the Smarthome Forums on their two way devices for X10.
I tested four of them and posted my findings.
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=65d9esimlhin3qog7fkslf3941&board=35.0
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As we are looking at the extermination of the cm15a I was just wondering if the insteon PowerLinc Modem - INSTEON USB Interface (Dual-Band) will work as a interface for x10. ................
........Please let me know your thoughts on this. I currently have a few cm15a but would like ot research an alternative in the even that they fail and x10 doesn't restock them.
People do seem to be trying to "exterminate" X10... and its product line! Currently... there is NO CM15A. Although, X10 has said they will be making or contracting the manufacture of new products including the CM15A.
There is nothing wrong with using Home Automation products that are no longer in production. I think most of us do! It breaks my heart to see some of what I think of as great products fall from current production status. But... the large-boned lady has yet to sing.... and I remain hopeful that X10 will be true to its statements and return many products to the marketplace.
However, I think.... INSTEON makes some nice X10 compatible products. Although you might need to dig slightly deeper into your pockets to own them. And.... our X10/CM15A third-party software writers have yet to address writting programs that utilize the INSTEON SDK (I think they have to BUY the INSTEON SDK).
You can't build a Home Automation setup now... using the parts, software, and systems that will be available in the future. Because.... we don't know what will be available in the future. The one thing I do know about software, technology, and by extention Home Automation: is that this stuff isn't static. There will always be change. The minute we decide that our setups are built around this line of products or that interface... is the minute the our automation begins the slide backwards towards manual operation.
I enjoy what my system can do today. And I dream about the great advantages the new systems we will have in the future. Great new stuff will be here sooner or later. Of course... I really enjoy Home Automation so that is good news. But it also means my setup will never be complete or finished.
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And.... our X10/CM15A third-party software writers have yet to address writting programs that utilize the INSTEON SDK (I think they have to BUY the INSTEON SDK).
...buy the SDK/License and be bound by their NDA. The cost of the license likely precludes any freeware applications.
The license was reasonable when Insteon was introduced (I paid $100 and also got about that much in hardware.) but went up in price after a year or two. Unless you are making money on hardware (e.g. ISY) there's little incentive to create software and deal with the support burden that goes with it.
And, I forgot that developers still have to pay for support by Insteon.
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....... there's little incentive to create software and deal with the support burden that goes with it.
I agree. Or at least I don't disagree. I don't know of anyone that has made big bucks with creating third party Home Automation software. The era of cheap and/or free little windows based software products may be coming to an end. It has been a nice ride. But Android and Apple apps.... they seem to be a different matter entirely.
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But Android and Apple apps.... they seem to be a different matter entirely.
True - but most Android apps are open source and I'm not even certain you can even link to libraries that hide the details covered by the NDA (one reason ZarduinoTM uses ZBasic). Apple apps tend to be video games rather than something like this and very few of them are freeware.
Plus, you need something running software that talks to the Insteon/X10 controller which means it likely was developed using their SDK and NDA.
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Today is 02/16/2012.. I feel that I just got kicked in the butt and found out that there are no more CM15A!! B:(
What is this? I got a CM15A on June 2011.. but it was not working.. Called for customer support and trying to get a replacement unit.. it took 6 months before I get to speak with some one... yes..a HUMAN from X10.
Anyway, I just mailed back the defective CM51A last 2 weeks and still waiting. Then today I was curious enough to check back the X10 forums and found out about this CM15A was discontinued!! what the h*ll?!?!?!? :o
I just remember the rep told me that they will send me a better unit which is the CM19A. At that time on the phone, I have no clue what a CM19A was. So I agreed to do so thinking that I am getting a far more better model. But CM19A is the PC unit... I dont want that piece of crap!! I have two (2) of those at home now.
What I needed is a unit that can store the Macro and without having to rely on a PC running 24/7. Geez...
Am I hearing thing right? Pinch me and please wake me up!! Pleezzee ???
After buying tons and spending thousands of $$ from X10 for the past 9 years... and I get this? Is X10 home automation is a dying breed technology??
Dont we all expect to get better products available for us.. the X10 loyal customers? >*<
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The CM15K replacement kit. Is a CM19A and TM751.
Some report they where told the CM15A was just out of stock and would be in eventually.
The out of stock LM15A Socket Rocket eventually did come back in stock. So I guess the final fate of a CM15A is not known yet.
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Am I hearing thing right?
After buying tons and spending thousands of $$ from X10 for the past 9 years... and I get this?
Is X10 home automation is a dying breed technology??
Dont we all expect to get better products available for us.. the X10 loyal customers?
Yes
Yes
Yes
Are you trying to be funny?
A side note. Coffee shot out my nose when I read that the X10 rep told you the CM19 "is a better product". Perhaps X10 thinks this to be true since they get fewer CM19A returns....However, I believe most folks just throw them away.
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As of now.... I have not heard where X10 has said there will never be new CM15A's. I don't know how long it's been [at least 3 months] since X10 ran out of stock of the interface. But we do need a replacement soon. Many of us are having a hard time... keeping the faith.
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As of now.... I have not heard where X10 has said there will never be new CM15A's. I don't know how long it's been [at least 3 months] since X10 ran out of stock of the interface. But we do need a replacement soon. Many of us are having a hard time... keeping the faith.
Yeah, I agree. X10 has never been very public. But if (starting last August) the product flow interuption was due to simply finding a new factory, I think the CM15A would have been one of the first products along with LMs and AMs they would be in a hurry to restart. Subbing a TM751 and CM19A and calling it a better product is pretty transparent. Even a first time buyer will see it inferior.
Oh well.
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Dave,
Being funny 'Yes'.. as we have to be a joker like how X10 company thinks we the customer are stupid.
When I bought that CM15A kit... its not cheap... if its only $20.. I would probably not cared (I am not saying twenty bucks is nothing). But I paid $50 and it worked only for a month and the unit died on me.
I used to own the CK11A.. thats the old Computer Interface unit... I had it for years and crapped me out. And I moved onto the CM15A.
To tell you honestly.. I am happy when I got the CM15A kit with the ActiveHome Pro software package when it first came out. Then stopped working last year.. So thats why I purchased the second one.. and went dead even shorter period (just a little over 1 month).
Am I hearing thing right?
After buying tons and spending thousands of $$ from X10 for the past 9 years... and I get this?
Is X10 home automation is a dying breed technology??
Dont we all expect to get better products available for us.. the X10 loyal customers?
Yes
Yes
Yes
Are you trying to be funny?
A side note. Coffee shot out my nose when I read that the X10 rep told you the CM19 "is a better product". Perhaps X10 thinks this to be true since they get fewer CM19A returns....However, I believe most folks just throw them away.
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Right now. I am using the basic X10 Timer Unit to control my lighting's at home.. This is so lame... I came from having the most sophisticated home automation and down to this basic function.my goodness. :P
(http://cache2.smarthome.com/images/1091.jpg)
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I think for now.. I am going back to the original module called CM11A.. that lasted many years..
I found this RCA that works like the CM15A..
http://www.thehomeautomationstore.com/cm11a.html
(http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-16743485707767_2194_1009276)
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http://www.thex10shop.com/product/x10-genuine-cm11a-activehome-serial-computer-interface
$29.99 for a CM11A.
Later versions of AHP also will work with a CM11A.
So if you have AHP from your CM15A. It should also work with the CM11A or the original Active Home program originally shipped with it.
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Dave,
Being funny 'Yes'.. as we have to be a joker like how X10 company thinks we the customer are stupid.
yes cmtbiz, I know you were being funny. So was I. I agree with you 100%. The first year of the CM15A, it smacked of poor software and even poorer hardware design. But they managed to clean up both. So for a good period of time the CM15A and AHP was a very respectable product for 50 bucks. I hope it comes back. But for what it's worth, there are far better software and hardware products available for an X10 automated home, but unfortunately at correspondingly higher prices.
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......... there are far better software and hardware products available for an X10 automated home, but unfortunately at correspondingly higher prices.
Yep. And things have changed. China is overwhelmed with a need for skilled electronic assemblers. These niche products are harder to have made. Plus... I think there has been a change in Home Automation. People love Siri (http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/siri.html)... but turning on a light with a remote control... not such a big deal.
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There are a number of apps like Siri some will even work with your HA system however none have got the publicity that Siri has.
I pitted Lingo (free droid app) against my daughters apple with Siri and they performed about the same.
I think it is just a mater of time before a Siri or Lingo type app adds HA to what they can do.
In the mean time Parttime developers like myself will have to fill the void. rofl
There are a few voice apps for HA some like TAC (http://www.tuicemen.com/tac) that will do a few other functions.
However the extra functions are usualy limited. :(
If X10 doesn't soon come out with new Cm15a stock or a suitable replacement (something with the same or greater functions)
they'll lose a huge market.
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@Tuicemen
I played with speech recognition 12 or more years ago and there were a few pioneers using it to control HA (including one quadriplegic engineer I e-corresponded with) but the speech engines were crude, needed PCs, good mics with parabolic reflectors and would only recognize precise phrases spoken in the same manner and by the same speaker. Using it for HA was only practical for those with special needs, idactic memory or willing to tattoo a list of commands on their forearms. I assume recognition rates are much better these days.
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@Tuicemen
I played with speech recognition 12 or more years ago and there were a few pioneers using it to control HA (including one quadriplegic engineer I e-corresponded with) but the speech engines were crude, needed PCs, good mics with parabolic reflectors and would only recognize precise phrases spoken in the same manner and by the same speaker. Using it for HA was only practical for those with special needs, idactic memory or willing to tattoo a list of commands on their forearms. I assume recognition rates are much better these days.
In 1986 I had a Commodore 64 tied to the original CP290 with crude voice recognition software based on recorded templates in the owner(s) voice. Hence it would work for no one but my wife and I, and even then, only when it felt like it. Supposedly it's recognition phrase was "James". But even the noise from a vacuum cleaner would trigger a "This is James, what is your command?" from the Commodore. James lasted less than three weeks.
Now I use Homeseer which uses the Microsoft speech engine. But honestly, it isn't much better than "James". IMHO speech recognition for home control isn't quite ready for prime time. Perhaps gated mikes in every room would improve the performance, but that is too much work for "the old geezer". :D
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Agreed Voice recognition isn't perfect.
But I actualy find the voice recognition on the apples and droids to be better or close to windows 7.
Still if the droid doesn't recognize my first command I don't waste time repeating.
I just click the button for the command.
::) :'
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.... Still if the droid doesn't recognize my first command I don't waste time repeating.
I just click the button for the command.
I think the best part of voice control has always been hearing the computer... not talking to the computer. And I really think that is still where the Siri type apps can excel. Of course... I am talking cloud computing with automation.
I am sure there will still be plenty of people who really just want to push a button and turn a light on or off from accross the room. Or have some old-school type timer do the same for them. But without an interface... even with the old CM15A... X10 automation is limited.
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I think the best part of voice control has always been hearing the computer...
TTS has always been good. Back in Windows 3.1 days, SoundBlaster included a very good TTS engine with its 16-bit soundcards. It had one very good female voice and I used it (and another commercial TTS engine that had 2-3 good male voices) in an application I wrote to allow people who had lost the ability to speak to use a laptop or desktop to communicate, even using the phone via a speakerphone modem. It cost about 1/10 as much, even with the cost of a used laptop, (and performed better) than the specialized hardware that was available. There were a lot of ALS victims who used it. Needing a way to give some of the more severely disabled control of their environment is what introduced me to X10.
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Has anyone here looked at what SmartHome has to offer lately?
I have a friend who bought the SmartLinc a few years ago, and said it was a little lacking.
I'm wondering if they have improved it at all, of it anyone here has any experience with the ISY-99 they sell?
If X10 really isn't going to have more CM15A's any time soon, SmartHome has a real opportunity to fill that hole if they want to.
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I think the best part of voice control has always been hearing the computer... not talking to the computer. And I really think that is still where the Siri type apps can excel. Of course... I am talking cloud computing with automation.
TTs isn't part of voice control, however I agree hearing voice confirmation that a command was carried out sure beats a text box stating the info.
I looked into smarthome for what they had for interfaces and what they offered for a way to program for it.
They price there developement package out of the reach for most parttime programers.
I've also looked at Zwave however that seems to be in limbo right now.
I may move to add that to some of my apps as the price has come down to enable some experiments.
Still I don't wish to abandon X10, it is just a shame X10 is pushing inferior hardware to newbies stating it is the same as or better then the CM15A. :(
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I have an ISY-99i and it can do some X10 signaling as shipped.
If you purchase their A10/X10 addon firmware module. It can do more things.
http://www.universal-devices.com/mwiki/index.php?title=ISY-99i_Series_INSTEON:Enhanced_A10/X10
I am almost 100% Insteon and rarely use the A10/X10 module. Though my Insteon devices have an X10 address added to them. There is no nice 16 address Insteon remote like a HR12A Palm Pad. ;D
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Well, there are always opportunities for "small time" developers to put out a hardware solution.
Jeff Volp already has XTB-232, designed as a replacement for the "live" functionality of the CM11A.
Dave Houston is working on the Zarduino and the RR5x5. Both look like the have some real potential, but will require some technical skills to set them up and get them working. Not ideal for a novice without the technical skills.
What I'd like to see is some sort of "plug and play" solution that would be a true replacement for the CM15A (along with appropriate companion software).
The CM11A was great with it's built-in memory and standalone functionality. The CM15A expanded on that with more memory, more functionality, RF capabilities, and a more common USB connection.
The next logical step is an Ethernet-connected (or WiFi) unit, that combines the existing functionality of the CM15A/AHP without the need for a dedicated PC. Since most of the AHP plugin functions require a live data connection, and/or have the ability to run a Windows command, then perhaps one of the "one board" computers could be integrated into the design as a controller. I don't know how many people use the Windows command functions, but perhaps that could be replicated using a program on the PC that would listen for "control" commands coming over the network from the controller.
Unfortunately, I really have no idea where to begin on a project like this, or how much it would cost to make something like this reliably, and mostly idiot-proof.
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Has anyone here looked at what SmartHome has to offer lately?
I have a friend who bought the SmartLinc a few years ago, and said it was a little lacking.
Very recently I bought the Smarthome Houselinc package on sale at just $100 (down from $160), plus a couple of lamp modules, motion detectors and wall switches. Mrs Beelocks likes the feel of the wall switches as they have a definite on and off function to them as opposed to the push push feel of the X10 units.
It's a software based package that runs on my primary PC (I'll move it to a spare laptop when I finish playing).
I use my CM15A as a whole house code transceiver, the Houselinc modem picks up the powerline X10 signals and will work with them very cleanly and quickly.
The conditionals for the 'events' are pretty basic as there is no 'OR' function that I've been able to find.
I'm currently using a couple of Insteon modules and running it alongside my X10 setup that uses motion sensors, palmpads, and the usual appliance and lamp modules, plus a handful of WS12A's. I ditched a couple of DS10A units, but they might get put back in when I get the laptop running so that I can use the security signals.
I have MS16A motion sensors triggering Insteon modules with no problem at all, but obviously that will all change when my CM15A dies.
The main downside is that this version is PC based - I may add in the Smartlinc module which I believe can store some basic timers. The graphical interface for the software is clean, but the layout is not intuitive. The simple front end screen that I'm used to with the AHP software is sadly lacking :(
Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a great deal of detailed information on what the Insteon packages can and cannot do, but that's no more frustrating than trying to deal with X10 - I guess my knowledge of the abilities with come with experience.
The Smarthome forum layout is difficult to use, unless I'm doing something wrong there :'
If anyone needs more, just let me know and I'll try to help :)
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Both look like the have some real potential, but will require some technical skills to set them up and get them working. Not ideal for a novice without the technical skills.
Actually, the XTB-232 is a simple plug-in substitute for the CM11A that works with ActiveHome Pro running on the PC (just like the CM15K). And it also works with other PC-based automation software too, such as HomeSeer, Home Control Assistant, and HeyU. It is just identified as the CM11A in the setup.
Jeff
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However, the XTB32 will not handle timers like the CM11A (and the CM15A), so it's not a good substitute.
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However, the XTB32 will not handle timers like the CM11A (and the CM15A), so it's not a good substitute.
I never suggested the XTB-232 as a substitute for the CM15A (which is not available anymore). It IS a viable substitute for the CM15K, which requires ActiveHome Pro running on the PC to do all the control.
The XTB-232 was targeted to those who run higher end PC-based automation programs that just use the CM11A, CM15A, or a PowerLinc as a powerline interface. It is not prone to the lockup problems that plague the "real" CM11A.
My earler post was in response to the comment that it was not for a novice without the technical skills. All it takes is to plug it in and identify it as the CM11A in the PC-based automation software. I think most people can handle that.
Jeff
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The next logical step is an Ethernet-connected (or WiFi) unit, that combines the existing functionality of the CM15A/AHP without the need for a dedicated PC.
There are a couple of ARM Linux systems that could be used as the foundation for the next step. The RPi is $35, the beaglebone is $89. Both have Ethernet. The RPi has HDMI video output. Plug computers have been around for years though most are over $100.
http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs
http://www.beagleboard.org/bone
mochad + CM15A + beaglebone + my own simple Perl programs works for me. Another option is CM11A (or clone) + USB serial + Heyu or MisterHouse. However, I have never used Heyu or MH and both look complex to setup. A Linux webapp similar to AHP would be ideal but writing one is a major project.
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hey folks listen to this... every time I tried to connect with X10 company.. it just give me a mind boggling dilemma... :o
Its been 3 weeks now since I shipped the defective CM15A back to X10 in New Jersey Office which where I reside now.. in NJ...
I have no clue or whatsoever if they receive the package although the USPS Confirmation said it was delivered. I got no confirmation on their part so I wanted to know when should I get the replacement even with the garbage CM19A.
I have waited..waited and waited... like a young kid waiting for his birthday presents.
I tried like the usual many time to reach X10 by email... yup.. no response.. ???
So I got tired of this waiting game and I contacted via CHAT.. someone responded!! -:)
Then I asked about my RMA... then the guy told me that it will take 3 MONTHS to process the return. B:(
You read it correctly.. I repeat.. I was told 3 MONTHS of processing time.
I never remembered that it should take that long before? Did anyone know that X10 had changed their RETURN POLICIES? What gives? 3 Months!!?!?!?
I have ordered a AIRSIGHT Outdoor Camera (an IP camera) which I realized that I can't incorporate with my current Security DVR system. I am wanting to return this but would I have to wait for 3 MONTHS before they do the Credit Card refund??
OMG!! :o
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Stories like this are the reason I will never order from X10 again.
There's a new one every day
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Lets hope they have a new supply of CM15As by then ::) :'
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Hey! "X10 Repair Depot"!
Do you have any encouragement for cmtbiz?
One fourth of a year to process a RMA seems just a tiny bit on the long side. :' Can that be right?
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And THAT'S why you use a credit card. Call the credit card company and contest the charges.
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Today.. I tried to contact X10 again... well at least this time I get a better results.
I have to say that "women" customer support are way way FAR better that the "male" x10 customer support.
Whenever I get female to response... I always have good and satisfying experience. ;)
The lady @ x10 was quick to decide on how to resolve my issues. I will be getting the CM15K replacement by next week as promised. #:)
As oppose to the last one... I had a very awful experience.. the guy was.. somewhat either lazy or arrogant. Who does not really cared how you feel about your hard earned $$ for their product.
I was told that X10 will never produce / never will have CM15A units anymore.
So my option is to accept the CM15K Kit.. better than having the non-working CM15A. Then I will just keep the CM15K until someone, someday need it. ::)
-Csar
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..... I was told that X10 will never produce / never will have CM15A units anymore. So my option is to accept the CM15K Kit.. better than having the non-working CM15A. Then I will just keep the CM15K until someone, someday need it. ::)
-Csar
Thank you for sharing that with us Csar.
I am wondering... is this the first report of that from anyone? Has anyone else heard this from anyone at X10?
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I've been told this in a number of PMs and emails lately. :(
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I always try to embrace change. I know some of what is happening with HA (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=26260.msg148127#msg148127) is just kick-butt awesome. But even so... it sorta breaks my heart to see X10 struggle like this.
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Another good news... >!
As I was rummaging through my storage bins in my basement... Those are my electronic stuffs that i had just stashed in plastic containers for years of collection.
Guess what i found?
I found two (2) units of CM15A !!! :)%
Whats odd is that I dont even remembered that i had 3 of those... I guess being an impulse buyer have the benefits.. LoL ;D
So i hope this would give me few more years to use AHS...
-Csar
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:o
I found this article that X10 is shutting off their plant in China.
That figures why CM15A is no longer available. :(
http://www.cepro.com/article/the_end_of_x10/
The End of X10
Home automation pioneer will no longer make powerline-based products for controlling lights, thermostats and other devices; closure has nothing to do with Black Hat hacking scandal.
By Julie Jacobson, August 11, 2011
X10 is shutting down. It appears the company is headed into receivership and its factories will cease making products for controlling lights and other devices over the powerline.
CE Pro has learned from several sources that X10 will no longer make products based on the home-control protocol it created in the 1970s.
Interestingly, the closure coincides with a high-profile report from Black Hat that X10 could be hacked, but that report most likely had nothing to do with X10’s demise. More likely, the company simply faced competition from newer home-control technologies such as Z-Wave (RF) and Universal Powerline Bus (powerline).
Being the low-cost provider, X10 undoubtedly suffered from higher wages in China, where its products are manufactured.
You may make fun of X10 now, but the powerline-based home-control protocol surely launched the home automation industry starting in the 1980s. It took more than a decade for other retrofit home automation technologies (Z-Wave, UPB, ZigBee, Insteon) to gain traction.
X10 on Big Bang. Happy time
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Old news on the China thing.
Many posts here.
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=su56k3g4g3aafh7if4qhsqfj87&topic=24447.0
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mboy just indicated he did receive a real CM15A :)%
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=l15gp9k60k0v8h40bof72d90a0&topic=26321.msg148725#msg148725
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I most certainly did and am enjoying it along with X10 commander for iphone. Just waiting for more appliance modules and a socket rocket to come in. Wish the lamp modules worked with CFl bulbs.
I placed an order for the thermostat setup for 69.99. Then cancelled it after reading here the cm15k was not same as cm15a. Then I got a $15 off coupon and discovered the 15k would basically do most of what I wanted, so I called up, spoke to a rep about the discount and had them uncancel the order (which they never cancelled).
When I did cancel, I told them it was because of the 15k.Low and behold they def did ship a cm15a and that is what I am now using.
I am unsure if my complaint about cm15k had anything to do with it or it was just coincidence, but I am happy to have it.
SOOO easy to set this whole thing up. :)
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mboy, wait a minute. hmmm... ???
Isn't that they supposed to have ran out of the CM15A?
Maybe they fixed my returned CM15A and had available for you? its just a thought... >*<
LOL... lucky for you to get the CM15A.. 8)
I most certainly did and am enjoying it along with X10 commander for iphone. Just waiting for more appliance modules and a socket rocket to come in. Wish the lamp modules worked with CFl bulbs.
I placed an order for the thermostat setup for 69.99. Then cancelled it after reading here the cm15k was not same as cm15a. Then I got a $15 off coupon and discovered the 15k would basically do most of what I wanted, so I called up, spoke to a rep about the discount and had them uncancel the order (which they never cancelled).
When I did cancel, I told them it was because of the 15k.Low and behold they def did ship a cm15a and that is what I am now using.
I am unsure if my complaint about cm15k had anything to do with it or it was just coincidence, but I am happy to have it.
SOOO easy to set this whole thing up. :)
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According to X10 Repair Depot's post. There where no going to be any more CM15As.
Maybe something changed.
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=50kqld29go55o43bcvp8df3sq1&topic=26297.0
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I dont know what to tell you, but I most certainly received a cm15a last week. Looked brand new, not a refurb. I am happy :)
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mboy; No problem and thanks for the update.
Sometimes corporate decisions change.
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I dont know what to tell you, but I most certainly received a cm15a last week. Looked brand new, not a refurb. I am happy :)
Did you get it from X10 or some other vendor as X10.com still pushes the CM15K package.
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For me, it sounds like $25.00 Pogoplug (there is always a sale) + XTB-232 and I got the perfect controller. Just use a pl2303 based cable, build the usbserial.ko and pl2303.ko modules, no need to change the kernel for Optware. Then "mknod /dev/ttyUSB0 c 188 0" or install mdev. For Debian and ALARM already done. Pretty good "Open" solution.
http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/PlugComputers
http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/PlugComputers
http://jvde.us/
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For me, it sounds like $25.00 Pogoplug (there is always a sale) + XTB-232 and I got the perfect controller. Just use a pl2303 based cable, build the usbserial.ko and pl2303.ko modules, no need to change the kernel for Optware. Then "mknod /dev/ttyUSB0 c 188 0" or install mdev. For Debian and ALARM already done. Pretty good "Open" solution.
http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/PlugComputers
http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/PlugComputers
http://jvde.us/
Now, put them both into the SAME box, and you've got a viable product! (without RF, of course)