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📱X10 WIFI => 🗯General Discussion => Topic started by: Tuicemen on January 20, 2018, 04:20:07 PM
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You would have thought I'd have all my timers and such moved over from AHP.
I've not touched my AHP setup as far as adding or removing devices, timers etc. in years.
I was surprised how much I no longer used over half my macros are obsolete and since I'm retired and the kids are no longer living here there were devices in there for which modules had long ago been removed from outlets. B:(
My AHX file was from Windows 7 or that was the last time I renamed it.
Anyways I've got all my modules in and I hope all my timers as well as I've removed the timers from AHP ( I may regret that if we have a power outage while away)
My devices are still configured in AHP as this is still needed for some fall back on RF controlling and security macros. ;)
Fact is I don't see myself totaly getting rid of AHP or the CM15 anytime soon.
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You would have thought I'd have all my timers and such moved over from AHP.
I've not touched my AHP setup as far as adding or removing devices, timers etc. in years.
I was surprised how much I no longer used over half my macros are obsolete and since I'm retired and the kids are no longer living here there were devices in there for which modules had long ago been removed from outlets. B:(
My AHX file was from Windows 7 or that was the last time I renamed it.
OMG. Mine wasn't that bad.... but I did delete a few modules still using the "C" house code. (rofl "C" of course was for Cameras).
Everything on the CM15A is now saved to the module. I moved some timers... but still have a little more moving, cleaning, and deleting, to do. I want to do a little testing and checking in the process.
Anyways I've got all my modules in and I hope all my timers as well as I've removed the timers from AHP ( I may regret that if we have a power outage while away)
I haven't checked.... but I guess I just assumed the memory on the WM100 wasn't volatile. I would have thought the WM100 would just boot back-up and jump in. Hummmmmm.
My devices are still configured in AHP as this is still needed for some fall back on RF controlling and security macros. ;)
Fact is I don't see myself totaly getting rid of AHP or the CM15 anytime soon.
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I have 3 AHP's (two running). I can't see either being removed in the near future.
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I won't lose any info on the WM100 if there is a power blip the timers will just be off till I resync.
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I won't lose any info on the WM100 if there is a power blip the timers will just be off till I resync.
Losing the time can be a huge issue for timers. That's why I created a poll to have it sync time automatically.
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.... I created a poll to have it sync time automatically.
? what? How?
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If there was a way to auto click the sync ok popup you could run the app on an emulator or another phone left at home.
However if the app just attempted to sync time automatic instead of throwing the popup that would be even be better.
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.... I created a poll to have it sync time automatically.
? what? How?
Sorry I wasn't clear. I created a poll on the forum asking others to vote on the suggestion to add automatic time syncing to the unit.
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Sorry I wasn't clear. I created a poll on the forum asking others to vote on the suggestion to add automatic time syncing to the unit.
And I voted for that myself. Great idea! I have, of course the Amazon app, ihome, Vesync, Wink, Home (apples own app), HS3Touch (Homeseer), MyQ (the Chamberlain garage opener), and the X10 app. Some devices are recognized in two or more apps.
If I had to use my phone and then scroll through to control devices..... it might be simpler to flip switches. Alexa (and the macros, robots, scenes, whatever) are the heart of my HA.
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Does the WM100 do Macros, like the CM15A?
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Not yet, scenes are very basic macros but are much more advanced then most Hub scenes in that they can contain delays as well un like AHP macros they can be stopped prior to completion
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My WM100 and app has now reverted to a glorified remote which only my wife uses here in the city.
My WM100 at the off grid place although plugged in is rarely used and its soon to become a door stop there.
Sadly the Wm100 just couldn't live up to my expectations or even what was promised it could do. :(
I also no longer use AHP for any timers or macros at either place.
The PiX10Hub the community has helped put together now handles all my HA requirements.
RIP WM100!
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My WM100 and app has now reverted to a glorified remote which only my wife uses here in the city.
My WM100 at the off grid place although plugged in is rarely used and its soon to become a door stop there.
Sadly the Wm100 just couldn't live up to my expectations or even what was promised it could do. :(
I also no longer use AHP for any timers or macros at either place.
The PiX10Hub the community has helped put together now handles all my HA requirements.
RIP WM100!
My WM100 has only *ever* been a glorified remote. The lack of a clock battery was a non-starter for me from day 1.
I really want to start playing with the PiX10Hub - I just need to make some time to get started with it.
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The lack of a clock battery can be over come very simply with the proper coding. Which for what ever reason the apps developer can't figure out. ::) :' Calling the internet for a date/time check on powering up is how the Raspi boards do it, but if your really want a RTC you can add one to a Pi board very inexpensively. ;)
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My WM100 has only *ever* been a glorified remote.
Same here. The lack of extended code support was a show stopper for me as all our Leviton dimmer switches use extended codes to set the brightness without having to go full on and then dim down. The hardware does not support extended codes, so there is no way to add them to the existing unit.
Still, it is kind of neat being able to control an X10 device when away from home.
Jeff
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Still, it is kind of neat being able to control an X10 device when away from home.
Even though I had that control prior to the WM100 the Idea of not needing a PC running 24/7 was more what drew me to it.
However a Pi board and cm19 with the PiX10Hub image is more attractive to me for my off grid place now as my security console can see the few x10 commands I use there. The HomeGenie web UI loads as fast as the WM100 apps (for me) and supplies much more info and options.
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My WM100 and app has now reverted to a glorified remote ……
The WM-100 was never anything OTHER than a remote! And IMHO.... it was/is the best remote control x10 ever introduced. The only thing that has changed is the way people "think" about remote control.... as it applies to Home Automation. Nobody wants to push buttons anymore. Even the NEW TV remotes often offer voice control (for program searching)…. now-a-days.
The WM-100 is a great (even awesome) 2010 device. And it was the old 2010 paradigm that lead to it's creation.
I also no longer use AHP for any timers or macros at either place.
The PiX10Hub the community has helped put together now handles all my HA requirements.
I have also recently relegated my last CM15A to a interface and transceiver. Shutting down my Home Automation laptops.... was the most "emotionally" difficult Home Automation change/step I've ever made. There is no "transitional" process from the old to the new. I left a few macros running on a separate CM15A... as I found automated ways to perform the same "programed" tasks.... I removed the last macro and un-plugged the CM15A not long ago.
I'd switched from a big high wattage desktop PC I used to control my CM15A... to the smaller less-hungry laptop..... years ago. And I had long mulled over thoughts of using a Windows tablet or a "stick" or mini windows PC. That would have given me a smaller carbon foot-print (for those who like that term). I liked the idea of using smaller devices to do the same job that once required a big PC.
But I stalled... I hesitated... and the technology changed. Just as the WM-100 solved yesterdays (well 2010's) problems. Tiny PC's solve 2016's problems. Todays Home Automation possibilities can not be solved with home computers of any size. Home Automation has outgrown simple programs and macro's (robots, routines, or whatever you want to call the set perimeters).
But I refuse to think in past-tense. It's kills creativity and destroys any vision of what could be. I want more. And more requires X10 to involve themselves in a cloud based product.
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The WM100 is a cloud based product just unplug your router from the internet and try and use it.
All cloud base products have small computers inside (though not what many may think of as a computer) the tiny processors on the circuit boards perform the calculations of what to send to the cloud server and what to do with the info it receives back it also requires a small amount of memory to store some things.
Any PC can make use of the cloud and use that for ones HA (if one wishes to go that route) the software is there.
These tiny computers that sell for under $5 and the size of a dollar coin or two are what is required for cloud operation.
Cloud control of X10 devices has been around for a few years now. The WM100 could have and should have been using it far better then it is.
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The WM100 is a cloud based product just unplug your router from the internet and try and use it.
All cloud base products have small computers inside (though not what many may think of as a computer) the tiny processors on the circuit boards perform the calculations of what to send to the cloud server and what to do with the info it receives back it also requires a small amount of memory to store some things.
Any PC can make use of the cloud and use that for ones HA (if one wishes to go that route) the software is there.
These tiny computers that sell for under $5 and the size of a dollar coin or two are what is required for cloud operation.
Cloud control of X10 devices has been around for a few years now.
Yes, 16 bit packets, processors, internet..... everyone know all that. Yet....many seem to be scared of it. But yes processors and the internet has been with us (me) since 1993.
The WM100 could have and should have been using it far better then it is.
The WM-100 appears to have tried to avoid the cloud. Which.... doesn't really work well in a modern world. But some soldiers continue to fight yesterdays battles. They just can't help themselves.
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The WM-100 appears to have tried to avoid the cloud. Which.... doesn't really work well in a modern world. But some soldiers continue to fight yesterdays battles. They just can't help themselves.
I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion ??? Without a connection to a cloud server it quickly becomes a door stop.
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…. I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion ??? Without a connection to a cloud server it quickly becomes a door stop.
Virtually everything (now-a-days) is Internet connected, and accordingly, server dependent. Just like this forum conversation. The conversation (or better said exchange of text) can't exist without modern electronics..... but it uses them at the very lowest levels. This server does NOTHING to make my home smarter or better.
Even my TV can be, locally controlled without it's remote.... but I can't honestly say I remember where the buttons are located.... however that would be the lowest level of operation for the TV. But I find it much more convenient to program the shows ahead.... and let the TV (actually the cable set-top box) change channels.... if we have the set on. And not have to look around for a remote or be held captive to the programming.
The WM-100...… is "clicker-like" technology. Sure it somewhat cloud dependent... almost everything is. What good is automation if you're not connected anyway? But all lighting control has buttons and switches just like TV's. So the WM-100 turns the ubiquitous smart phone into a High-tech palmpad…. but still remains low-tech in its application.
I used the Melloware App long ago (2010-2011) and until recently.… It ran on my BVC laptop (or maybe to other one). I can't say it was awful. I liked it. And the WM-100 is great... for what it is. It's just years behind it's time.
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As much as I agree the WM100 is just an app-based/cloud-based PalmPad, I am going to swap control temporarily to the WM100 from the CM15a while I am on vacation because in the event of a power outage, I will be able to re-sync the time on the WM100 when power returns and my lighting timers will be back on track to make my house look the same as always (occupied). Even if I put fresh batteries in the CM15a, I am not sure I can depend on it to perform after an outage and my lights may be way off. I use the CM15a as a stand-alone controller.
I am starting to copy slightly different timers as reside on the CM15a (by several minutes) to the WM100 now to test...in a previous post I queried if anyone had a clue as to why adding d/d timers would not take on the WM100 but got no response, so I'm just going to put in fixed on/off timers as opposed to using d/d with offset.
The ability to log in to the WM100 and sync or adjust devices is a plus to me, even though locally I just use it as a phone PP.
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As much as I agree the WM100 is just an app-based/cloud-based PalmPad, I am going to swap control temporarily to the WM100 from the CM15a while I am on vacation because in the event of a power outage, I will be able to re-sync the time on the WM100 when power returns and my lighting timers will be back on track to make my house look the same as always (occupied). Even if I put fresh batteries in the CM15a, I am not sure I can depend on it to perform after an outage and my lights may be way off. I use the CM15a as a stand-alone controller.
I am starting to copy slightly different timers as reside on the CM15a (by several minutes) to the WM100 now to test...in a previous post I queried if anyone had a clue as to why adding d/d timers would not take on the WM100 but got no response, so I'm just going to put in fixed on/off timers as opposed to using d/d with offset.
The ability to log in to the WM100 and sync or adjust devices is a plus to me, even though locally I just use it as a phone PP.
Unless you have a way to be notified in the event of a power outage, you'll have to constantly open the app to see if the time is out of sync. And if you're traveling to a different time zone, the time will likely be off, since the unit will sync to the time on your phone.
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As much as I agree the WM100 is just an app-based/cloud-based PalmPad, I am going to swap control temporarily to the WM100 from the CM15a while I am on vacation because in the event of a power outage, I will be able to re-sync the time on the WM100 when power returns and my lighting timers will be back on track to make my house look the same as always (occupied). Even if I put fresh batteries in the CM15a, I am not sure I can depend on it to perform after an outage and my lights may be way off. I use the CM15a as a stand-alone controller.
I am starting to copy slightly different timers as reside on the CM15a (by several minutes) to the WM100 now to test...in a previous post I queried if anyone had a clue as to why adding d/d timers would not take on the WM100 but got no response, so I'm just going to put in fixed on/off timers as opposed to using d/d with offset.
The ability to log in to the WM100 and sync or adjust devices is a plus to me, even though locally I just use it as a phone PP.
Unless you have a way to be notified in the event of a power outage, you'll have to constantly open the app to see if the time is out of sync. And if you're traveling to a different time zone, the time will likely be off, since the unit will sync to the time on your phone.
My power company sends text messages for outages, so hopefully I'll be notified. Also, no issue to call and see if the answering machine picks up or open the app to check as well. I'll be in the same time zone, just 1600 miles away, but if I wasn't I'd just change the zone on my phone to sync.