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📱X10 WIFI => 🗯General Discussion => Topic started by: Tuicemen on February 08, 2018, 09:10:08 AM

Title: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Tuicemen on February 08, 2018, 09:10:08 AM
I get asked this many time and judging from recent emails so does Authinx. B:(
AHP was developed over several years so to expect the X10 WIFI app to replace it  right out of the box is a high expectation. I do believe some day the app will be able to replace AHP!

As for the WM100 replacing the CM15 that ain't going to happen :(
The lack of RF support and the device limitation make this impossible with out a hardware rebuild.

I like to think of the WM100 a replacement for the CM11 but even that is a stretch.
Possibly in the future we'll see a WM100 PRO with RF and that may replace the CM15 ::) :'

For several this WM100 and app make a nice addition to our Home Automation setups.
 >!
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Noam on February 08, 2018, 10:21:58 AM
... I do believe some day the app will be able to replace AHP!

As for the WM100 replacing the CM15 that ain't going to happen :(

With all due respect, I don't think the app will ever be able to replace AHP.
As long as you have a CM15A, you'll need AHP to program it (it *can* be controlled in real-time using other software, but that still needs a computer connected to it 24/7).
Since Authinx doesn't have the source code for AHP, or the protocol information to program the CM15A, I think that's pretty much a dead end - unfortunately.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: dhouston on February 08, 2018, 11:35:29 AM
Since Authinx doesn't have the source code for AHP, or the protocol information to program the CM15A, I think that's pretty much a dead end - unfortunately.
They could always create new firmware/software. While it might not be compatible with AHP that's really not necessary.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: HA Dave on February 08, 2018, 03:39:52 PM
IMHO... the WM100 is a typical HUB. Like most (if not all) the other HA HUBS out there. It acts, looks, and functions like a HUB. Maybe the WM100 wasn't designed to replace anything.... but instead it is to be something that is an expectation for a HA brand.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Tucson on February 08, 2018, 06:33:34 PM
For me it already has, I unplugged my CM15A last week and I'm not looking back. I know that for many it may not be enough but for me it is good enough. I'm very happy to have a supported product again.

I do miss macros and hope they add timers to scenes.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: HA Dave on February 09, 2018, 03:02:02 AM
For me it already has, I unplugged my CM15A last week and I'm not looking back. I know that for many it may not be enough but for me it is good enough. I'm very happy to have a supported product again.

You know... I'd bet MOST X10 users will be happy with the abilities of the WM100.... particularly when they can pair it to a digital assistance like Alexa. And... Alexa expands your routines too!

And for those of us who really just want MORE. Like myself.... automation is a hobby of sorts... so more is all part of the interest. There is still usable CM15A tech available. And even compatible Homeseer devices/software. 
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Tuicemen on February 09, 2018, 12:18:12 PM

With all due respect, I don't think the app will ever be able to replace AHP.
As long as you have a CM15A, you'll need AHP to program it
I guesss replace was the wrong word it most likely will never beable to upload to the cm15.
But give the memory capablilites of the wm100 it has the possibilities of doing more then AHP (timer and macro wise) once RF is added, the wm100 (pro) ::) :' should be able to out perform the CM15.
Maybe it is wishful thinking on my part ::) :'
 >!
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: dhouston on February 09, 2018, 03:25:26 PM
But give the memory capablilites of the wm100 it has the possibilities of doing more then AHP (timer and macro wise) once RF is added, the wm100 (pro) ::) :' should be able to out perform the CM15.

Compare the ARM Cortex MCU of the WM100 with the ARM Cortex MCU of the RPi3 and then dream of the possibilities.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: HA Dave on February 09, 2018, 03:56:16 PM
Compare the ARM Cortex MCU of the WM100 with the ARM Cortex MCU of the RPi3 and then dream of the possibilities.

Yes.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: SkipWX10 on February 09, 2018, 06:01:32 PM
HI all, new here and just installed my WM100. Currently using it only for testing control of several lights using the phone like a palmpad. Still running the house off the CM15 and probably will for the foreseeable future, but with my limited setup, the WM100 could almost take over if it is as reliable as the CM15 with AHP has been.

For the record, been using X10 since the late 70's with Radio Shack 'Plug n' Play modules (still have some!)
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: stevenrw on April 25, 2018, 02:54:43 PM
I also just purchased the WM100 and was disappointed in the lack of functionality of the CM15.
Especially the limited #of devices you can control and the short length of a device name. Disappointing, especially for a device that was designed from scratch, I assume.

But, as mentioned by someone else it really is an HA Hub and as that, works pretty well.

However, I have used AHP and a CM15 for a long time and have used macros extensively to call scripts that will do some nice custom stuff for me like running an .exe for texting, etc.
As far as I can tell the WM100 leaves out the possibility of using a Powerflash module which I was hoping to continue with.

So it looks like I'm back to using a CM15 for full functionality.
 :-\

Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: HA Dave on April 25, 2018, 07:56:04 PM
................... it looks like I'm back to using a CM15 for full functionality.
 :-\

The CM15A is/was a marvel of automation.... much better than it was ever given credit for, IMHO. And when connected to a home PC with plug-ins and the X10 servers.... it really made a home "smart". I still have a couple CM15A's plugged in and working too.

But I expect even greater things in HA in the near future.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: dave w on April 25, 2018, 11:07:06 PM
I still have a couple CM15A's plugged in and working too.
Call me curious (I've been called worse).
Since you have a Hometroller and Homeseer, what functions are your two CM15A doing? ( I may have to break mine out of mothballs).  ;)
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: HA Dave on April 26, 2018, 03:32:59 AM
...... Since you have a Hometroller and Homeseer, what functions are your two CM15A doing?

I have one simple macro that that Homeseer didn't want to see it's trigger as an action. PLUS.... that CM15A transceives. The other CM15A is the Hometroller plug-in/interface. I only took the HA PC (a laptop) off-line a few months/weeks ago (Febuary?). I have been trying to NOT recreate the way the setup looked/functioned before... but to instead re-invent or "re-imagine" something different.... and hopefully better.

I don't mind using/doing a bit of this.. and a little of that. I also use  Wink Hub, and an MyQ (garage control), and some Apple compatible lamp modules, a Cree wifi bulb, along with OF COURSE Amazon's Alexa.

I have (for the last 12 years?) been growing my setup.... trying new things.... and new ways of doing things. At first.... all my "automation projects" revolved around solving problems. First my Home Theater needed lighting control (and a wow factor). X10 and a couple macros solved that problem. Then... X10 cameras solved the problem of me not being able to see my driveway from inside the house. And so on. But in recent years... I've looked to find new ways to enrich my home experience.

But now... with AI, the great compatibility of various products, and my iphone integrating with EVERYTHING... I am convinced there is much more to be done with my setup... than I have yet discovered. I experiment with and try as many different things as I can. Some things work... many other things... not so much. 



Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: ekraus on June 17, 2018, 11:29:34 AM
I installed the app before I bought the module but it will not allow me to do a sample program.
And the doc doesn't answer my questions.
I currently have an 1132CU that has become less then reliable.
I have the following needs .
Dusk/Dawn Timer?
Is it set up by Longitude and latitude?
Does is track daily changes in dusk dawn times?
Can you set the Dusk/dawn timer to trigger before or after?
What about security settings?
Where is the schedule stored Phone or WM100?
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Tuicemen on June 17, 2018, 12:12:17 PM
I installed the app before I bought the module but it will not allow me to do a sample program.
And the doc doesn't answer my questions.
I currently have an 1132CU that has become less then reliable.
I have the following needs .
Dusk/Dawn Timer?
Is it set up by Longitude and latitude?
Does is track daily changes in dusk dawn times?
Can you set the Dusk/dawn timer to trigger before or after?
What about security settings?
Where is the schedule stored Phone or WM100?

it has dusk dawn timers with currently 30 min off sets for before or after.
Daily changes in dusk dawn times are calculated and originally set from your setup phones location.
I'm not sure what you mean by security settings for the timers so they go on off at different times from day to day ? or APP SECURITY? or X10 security? or something else.
the settings are stored both on the WM100.
there is a update scheduled for the app which originally was to be today but that has been delayed due to a issue with apple store.
this update was to address some issues with the DST and dusk dawn some users experienced as well as add some extra options to the timers like longer offsets for dusk dawn.  >!
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: ekraus on June 18, 2018, 02:44:16 AM
Looks like it will fit my needs.
The security Option is to randomize the time
by plus/minus 15 minutes each day.
So timers are stored on the WM100.
If the phone is turned off the schedule still operates?
The cloud is not necessary?

And I can see there is support for the product.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Tuicemen on June 18, 2018, 02:56:02 AM
There is a security option in the timers however I've never played with it in to much detail other then in initial testing.

If the phone is off timers still work the app doesn't need to be left running on your Phone as that would drain it.

The cloud isn't needed for timers to work however if you have no internet there is no access currently to the WM100 to manually switch devices, activate scenes, setup, or modify anything. :( Hopefuly this will change with future updates.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: ekraus on June 18, 2018, 03:41:03 AM
Thats great.
I have local control by palm remote so no phone necessary.
For me it will easily replace my 1132CU or CM11A
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: ekraus on June 23, 2018, 01:01:03 AM
I got the WM100 last night and set it up. If you have timers your in. Its quite simple to set up. I am not sure how Dusk/Dawn works
and have a question in to tech support. I think these guys are going in a good direction so people can use all the x10 switching devices out there with a standalone interface. They have a bit of work ahead of them. Meanwhile my 1132CU is offline for now.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Tuicemen on June 23, 2018, 01:13:01 AM
your question may have been able to be answered here faster.
Currently here is one dusk and one dawn option for each module and the only show up after you have set and saved the device.
I had hoped we would have seen the update by now as to provide more info. There is to besome extra things added to the timers and possible somethings removed (hidden)from my test app.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: ekraus on June 23, 2018, 08:25:25 AM
OK
So here is what I basically asked them.
First of all my Dawn timers didn't work me. Or should I say they triggered at 5 and 5:30 (I had several at Dawn-30).
Here in Miami Sunrise was at 6:31. So I asked how they deal with Dusk/Dawn.
My phone is set auto time zone ( network provided).
But what exactly is the Dawn time in the module?
An I also posted another point. Sunrise in NY was roughly 72 minutes earlier at 5:26. Both in the eastern time zone.
So what is the module Dusk/Dawn time? I think they got a problem with this approach unless the user can tweak the Dusk/Dawn times.
I am not sure how they did it with the 1132CU but it worked. I also asked if they could have a way to email the wifi history and settings for debugging.
I put some other things in there but can't remember.
For me if I work out the Dusk/Dawn issue the 1132CU's and the CM11A and all the other legacy X10 control modules I have go on ebay or in the garbage. They have what appears to be a really good start.
I didn't put in some other things like extended codes like status requests. So the firmware could periodically check to see if the module is in the proper state. Its pretty simple stuff like a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Brian H on June 23, 2018, 09:12:35 AM
The 1132CU with Smart Home Manager used a file called LatLong.ini.
When you set the Sunrise Sunset. You picked a state and close city. It has Latitude and Longitude settings in it. For the state and close city. Some of us modified the ini file so that the incorrect DST change dates that where not fixed where correct.
We turned Off DST and twice a year at the change date. To get the correct Sunrise and Sunset.
Here are two lines from the file. New York and Miami Florida.

USA,New York,NYC-CentralPark,40,N,73,W,-5
USA,Florida,Miami,25,N,80,W,-5

Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Tuicemen on June 23, 2018, 09:41:09 AM
the dusk dawn times don't currently work correctly.
this is what is being fixed some users have no issues they work on time others such as your self are seeing it off by up to 2.5 hours.
To make things worse DST messed up dusk dawn times for those that had it working correctly and fixed it for those that didn't.
I doubt you'll get an answer to your questions as the app developer coded how these work. And this code has now been changed for the next update.
Basically the app gets your location (on initial setup) from the phone lat/long then forwards that to the WM where the math is done. Obviously the math has a flaw but the update appears to have fixed that.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: ekraus on June 23, 2018, 11:31:14 AM
The 1132CU with Smart Home Manager used a file called LatLong.ini.


USA,New York,NYC-CentralPark,40,N,73,W,-5
USA,Florida,Miami,25,N,80,W,-5
I am well aware of the Smarthome  INI file and have a custom one for my latitude and longitude as well as the DST mod.


Tomorrow morning I will be able to figure out the differential in the dusk dawn times. And may be able to figure out a
work around.
Looks like the 1132CU going back in!
Man I hope I didn't throw out 100 bucks.
Back to my SONOFF project.


Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: ekraus on June 24, 2018, 01:27:29 AM
Dusk/Dawn Timers don't work. Although the times changed by 1 minute they fired at the same time as yesterday.
I am going back to my 1132CU at least it works.
Any idea when they are going to have the next release out.

By the way does anyone now a days execute a test plan on code?
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Tuicemen on June 24, 2018, 01:56:46 AM
By the way does anyone now a days execute a test plan on code?
The current code was tested and worked for those testing it, however it is obvious the developer (being in China) had no concept of DST as that messed up things for some that the code worked for pior. B:(
I'll see what I can find out about the update. Apple had requested some changes before they would allow the update posted in their stores, this is what has created the latest delay.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Tuicemen on June 24, 2018, 12:02:36 PM
The issue is still the iOS though I'm not sure why this is taking so long to remedy. B:(
The developer knew about the incompatibility of the new iOS weeks prior to announcing a update estimated release date.
 B:(
We need the protocol released! >*<
We'd have working apps for most likely all OS flavors by now with most the options users are waiting for.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: ekraus on June 27, 2018, 12:14:15 AM
I have to yank my WM100 out. Its just not working for me. I deleted all the Dusk/Dawn timers and put fixed timers in. But they don't
work reliably. I monitor the x10 commands
I would like to see the timers have the option to do multiple transmissions.
I would like to have a scene triggered by a timer.
For now its back to the 1132CU. It works all the time! I use multiple timers I am guaranteed.
As each incandescent lamp gets replaced by and LED or CFL and appliances using power supplies you are injecting more noise on the power line.
With burst transmissions at least you have a fighting chance.

To bad the code isn't open source.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Tuicemen on June 27, 2018, 01:01:44 AM
To bad the code isn't open source.
I'm told this is comming unfortunately not soon enough. B:(
This unit has great potential. My WM100 is still in use but I have the new firmware and test update so dusk/dawn timers work for me.
Still the WM100 is only doing 1/4 of what CM15 & AHP did. Since picking up a Pi and merging it with the CM15 I now have a power system.
I too will be removing the WM100 from my Off grid setup by fall if the developer doesn't get moving with the app.
Currently the WM100 is only used there for remote access and my Pi CM15 combo allows that too.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: ekraus on July 08, 2018, 10:51:02 AM
Not a bad Idea. Use the WM100 for remote web ON/OFF operations.
Once again problem is IOS or Android updates. Then what happens
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Tuicemen on July 08, 2018, 10:55:21 AM
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=30395.msg174445#msg174445
Same as right now most likely. :(
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: npaisnel on July 24, 2018, 09:58:50 AM
I had not come across this unit before, but if what I read on the sales page..it does seem a bit limited if I am reading it correctly

it says here (https://www.x10.com/wm100.html):

Control up to 32 of all the different possible 256 X10 codes

so although I do not have more than 32 devices, it is not going to impact me. But it does seem a bit poor that it can only do 32 of the 256 possible device codes
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Tuicemen on July 24, 2018, 10:22:18 AM
You are correct the WM100 only can control 32 devices.
I'm unsure why that is as it is capable of seeing all 256 house codes it has more memory then the cm15 which controls all 256 house codes.
This modules is a bit limited but I believe it is due to the software not the hardware side of things.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: npaisnel on July 28, 2018, 05:44:14 AM
 B:( sorted of half disabled it before they even started really !

i have a small apartment and have 22 devices for anyone with a house, those 32 will  surely be no where enough

Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Tuicemen on July 28, 2018, 06:30:45 AM
Some of us are using more then one WM100
The WM100 i keep being told was not designed for the power user but the average user.
 Authinix created the wm100 to test the waters so to speak I was told if it did well a pro version would follow for power users.
From what I've heard a pro version is being discussed but nothing is on the drawing board yet.
When I asked for more info I was told the pro version being discussed was just for the average user B:(
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: ekraus on August 04, 2018, 07:38:43 PM
When they sent me my WM100 back I kinda got all my modules working with the help of
Jeff Volp's X10 Meter finding some major noise. But I still cant see where this product can do any more than turn modules on and off
via that app or timers.
This product cant come close to replacing the legacy controllers.
Dusk/Dawn doesn't work.
Dusk/Dawn advance delay times that are not long enough.
And last but not least timers without dimming.
I am lucky because I am not a heavy user anymore.
With all the new WIFI gear coming out I am sure the demise of X10 is on the horizon.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: IPS on September 03, 2018, 08:54:10 AM
I find This product is useless. It gets disconnected for no reason at all and to reconnect, have to go through the whole process and that includes adding all the devices. Another problem I found is that I had set a timer with a dimmer on one device. It never worked properly. After eliminating this timer and readding all devices, this particular timer with dimmer kept on dimming, rather flickering light. After few reinstalls it is ok now. May be becase wimmy has decided to be disconnected again.. B:(
I have changed the location and still keeps disconnecting. Now it is close to router and not far from CM15A.

I guess I’ll deactivate timers on CM15A. At least it is dependable.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 03, 2018, 09:02:35 AM
I wonder if the issue is the WM100 or the server it uses ???
It will be a long time before I retire my CM15, however I have stopped using AHP.
The CM15 is connected to a PC though it is a SBC.
The WM100 will never replace AHP and the CM15
A Pro version might at some point but we need local control.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: IPS on September 03, 2018, 09:06:31 AM
“I guess I’ll deactivate timers on CM15A. At least it is dependable.“
It should read REACTIVATE..........
Sorry about that.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: ekraus on September 03, 2018, 09:33:03 AM
I hope this reply doesn't bite me in the ass. Mine is working.
Knock on wood!
Timers and Dusk/Dawn.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 03, 2018, 09:42:21 AM
Regular timers as well as Dusk/Dawn ones don't get affected by a server being down. Which one good thing, the issue is you have to be able to reliably set them up.
If you can't connect to the cloud based server you have no way of setting up  your WM100 or controlling already configured devices from it. You must wait till the timers kick in to turn on or off the device B:(
Many like me filed away most of if not all their remotes :( 
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: JeffVolp on September 03, 2018, 10:36:52 AM
Many like me filed away most of if not all their remotes :(

Our Palmpads and Mini Controllers are still sitting out there, usually just an arm reach away.

Jeff
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: HA Dave on September 03, 2018, 11:24:35 AM
Many like me filed away most of if not all their remotes :(

Our Palmpads and Mini Controllers are still sitting out there, usually just an arm reach away.

I am like Tuice…… I have 2 PalmPads in my Home Theater.... basically because we've become accustomed them being there (it's a WAF issue). But I started moving away from remote control and towards smart-home [computer] control some time ago. Actually long before it was actually practical (or maybe even possible).

It may never be "practical" for most people to own a truly smart home.... I can't really say. But everyday... it becomes more DO-able. I began my re-imagining of my Home Automation setup after the first of the year. Seasonal activity's... slows my progress with my setup. But it has only slowed and not stopped or even stalled. 

I still really like the WM-100. It is a remote control.... but it is the ultimate remote control. Jeff is correct (as usual) we will always have needs for a remote control. And... since X10 doesn't actually own or know the WM-100 OS.... software updates will always be at the mercy of a specific foreign code writer. It's lifespan is limited. I've owned two other devices (IR controllers) who apps failed to meet the requirements of iPhone upgrades..... and without available updates... failed to operate. Similar things have happened with Microsoft updates and upgrades and software products over the years. It's nothing new... or limited to Home Automation.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: JeffVolp on September 03, 2018, 02:14:11 PM
I am like Tuice…… I have 2 PalmPads in my Home Theater.... basically because we've become accustomed them being there (it's a WAF issue). But I started moving away from remote control and towards smart-home [computer] control some time ago. Actually long before it was actually practical (or maybe even possible).

I totally agree with you.  I started with that old clock timer with the blue fluorescent display.  That ran our house until I became a beta tester for the CM11A.  Then the never released CM14A, and the last 15 years with an Ocelot.  That pretty much runs the house - lighting, irrigation, and auxiliary ventilation.  The remotes are for convenience to control devices that are not part of the daily schedule.

The "emergency" cell phone that can access the WM100 normally lives in my backpack switched off.  That way I never forget it when I'm off in the back country by myself.  And yes, we actually do have pretty good service in the areas where I normally hike.

Jeff
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: ekraus on September 04, 2018, 08:19:55 AM
The first time I got involved with X10 was in 87 and have had it in my houses since.
I was working on a project called Transtext with BS, Johnson Controls and GA Power.
Got lots of free gear.
At one time almost every light, WH, AC's, Pumps as much as i could connect was on it.
I probably had every controller and module made since then.
For me the 1132CU was the best of the controllers that came out.
I think I have been through 5 of them and still have 2. 1 that was in the box new since they DA them.
I tried insteon (actually was one of there first dealers) and it just was a PIA and the hardware was crap.
Now all I have is my exterior lights, WH, wall fountain and Pool pump on the WM100 using timers.

I still think its a great technology if you can get rid of the noise (which I did with Jeff's help).
Its not bullet proof but could have been with the introduction of the extended codes and some good software.
My palmpads don't work anymore so I use my phone when necessary.
Although once again the app may show something on or off but its not.
I modified most of the appliance modules i had snipping the diode to stop the current sensing and pigtailed them to use in my exterior control.
I still have several leviton (208/240V) 6330 modules, a bunch of interfaces including a CP290.
Smarthome for me is 5 remotes on the couch!

Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Noam on September 04, 2018, 09:50:03 AM
Regular timers as well as Dusk/Dawn ones don't get affected by a server being down.

As long as you don't have any sort of power blip - because that would reset the clock in your device, and it will be wrong until you *actively* connect to it with a device (which requires the server to be up), and re-sync the time. If you're in a different time zone when you do that, your timers are messed up. That's a huge design flaw, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 04, 2018, 10:26:09 AM
Regular timers as well as Dusk/Dawn ones don't get affected by a server being down.

As long as you don't have any sort of power blip - because that would reset the clock in your device, and it will be wrong until you *actively* connect to it with a device (which requires the server to be up), and re-sync the time. If you're in a different time zone when you do that, your timers are messed up. That's a huge design flaw, in my opinion.
So true. I keep forgetting (being at the off grid place) about power outages.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Noam on September 05, 2018, 10:14:27 AM
Regular timers as well as Dusk/Dawn ones don't get affected by a server being down.

As long as you don't have any sort of power blip - because that would reset the clock in your device, and it will be wrong until you *actively* connect to it with a device (which requires the server to be up), and re-sync the time. If you're in a different time zone when you do that, your timers are messed up. That's a huge design flaw, in my opinion.
So true. I keep forgetting (being at the off grid place) about power outages.
I just can't believe the designers completely ignored that major design requirement. Did they think the CM15A's batteries were just for show?
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: npaisnel on September 05, 2018, 10:16:55 AM
What about the CM11 or 12 ?

Does the battery in that keep clock time when a power failure occurs ?
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Noam on September 06, 2018, 09:29:35 AM
What about the CM11 or 12 ?

Does the battery in that keep clock time when a power failure occurs ?
Yes
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: npaisnel on September 06, 2018, 10:20:51 AM
Thanks, I’ll keep that, use heyu for uploading schedules and Ebay the CM15.   Though it is handy as a power line transceiver
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Brian H on September 06, 2018, 10:31:40 AM
According to the protocol document.
When it see AC applied it sends a request to the PC for the correct time. I don't how accurate it is on battery. It does not have a clock chip. So it must be a function of the controller chip.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: dhouston on September 06, 2018, 10:43:08 AM
According to the protocol document.
When it see AC applied it sends a request to the PC for the correct time. I don't how accurate it is on battery. It does not have a clock chip. So it must be a function of the controller chip.
It's not very accurate. Plus, you cannot send/receive commands before responding to the request.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: ekraus on September 22, 2018, 08:11:56 AM
Well
Can you depend on the WM100?
NO NO NO NO.
What a piece of crap.
All of a sudden out of the blue my dusk lights come on 2+ hours
before dusk.
Get my phone and go to app.
Cannot connect to HUB.
So I proceed to reconnect to the HUB.
Follow the steps and no connection.
Then connect. Yeah!
Ok lets sync with HUB.
INFO O - devices, rooms, timers, scenes, dusk/dawn timers.
Cancel
Go back to devices.
Wait everything is still there under each device.
NOW WHAT?
Do I throw this piece of crap in that canal behind the house?
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: jdenenberg on March 22, 2019, 06:13:06 PM
Well
Can you depend on the WM100?
NO NO NO NO.
What a piece of crap.
All of a sudden out of the blue my dusk lights come on 2+ hours
before dusk.
Get my phone and go to app.
Cannot connect to HUB.
So I proceed to reconnect to the HUB.
Follow the steps and no connection.
Then connect. Yeah!
Ok lets sync with HUB.
INFO O - devices, rooms, timers, scenes, dusk/dawn timers.
Cancel
Go back to devices.
Wait everything is still there under each device.
NOW WHAT?
Do I throw this piece of crap in that canal behind the house?
I am a looooong time user of X10 with a CM15a and AHP and now have a functioning WM100.  The lack of RF and a "macro" capability was a problem, but I plugged in a couple of RF repeaters so that RF commands from remotes and IR sensors got on the power line.  I then directly connected mt lights that were under macro control to the IR sensors and reestablished automated stair lighting.

The dependence on X10 servers is a concern as I lived through the earlier loss of ability to reinstall AHP that caused a temporary loss of my "smart home" functionality.  The availability of a hacked version of AHP (not requiring registration) solved this problem. 

The reason I am now using the WM100 instead of AHP and my CM15a was that there is a basic incompatibility between the CM15a and power line repeaters (causing command "storms").  I needed to install a powerline repeater to get more reliable operation of my modules in the presence of power line noise from some equipment in my home.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Tuicemen on March 22, 2019, 06:21:16 PM
  I needed to install a powerline repeater to get more reliable operation of my modules in the presence of power line noise from some equipment in my home.
Powerline repeaters are not the answer to line noise as many will repeat that as well.
The trick is to locate and isolate what is causing the issue.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: dave w on March 23, 2019, 05:58:31 PM
The reason I am now using the WM100 instead of AHP and my CM15a was that there is a basic incompatibility between the CM15a and power line repeaters (causing command "storms").  I needed to install a powerline repeater to get more reliable operation of my modules in the presence of power line noise from some equipment in my home.
IF you are using an X10 or Leviton repeater, try this:
http://jvde.us/xtb-iirp.htm
It will likely boost the X10 signal well above whatever you noise is. But as Tuiceman recommended you should try to identify and isolate sources of noise.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Tuicemen on March 26, 2019, 12:02:55 PM
With no new news from Authinx (X10) on the WM100, I had to drop them an e-mail and see if the WM100 was being discontinued.
I was informed that it continues to be well liked by many users that are just looking for phone control of their X10 devices and timers. They have no intention of discontinuing it and are still on the developer to improve the apps.
The WM100 I keep being reminded of was never intended to be for the X10 Power user.

For those (Power Users) looking for a AHP replacement  with added phone control and no need for a PC, the PiX10Hub would be my suggestion.

Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: ceedee on March 26, 2019, 06:31:19 PM
The least they can do is fix the issues with features that they're marketing that don't work.

I still can't sync on iOS. I still can't get history on iOS.  I could go on...
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Tuicemen on March 26, 2019, 06:35:44 PM
The least they can do is fix the issues with features that they're marketing that don't work.

I still can't sync on iOS. I still can't get history on iOS.  I could go on...
I agree, and these aren't unique to iOS, I have the same issues on an Android however others have no issue (apparently) ::) :'
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: ceedee on March 26, 2019, 06:57:38 PM
We're not talking obscure issues.  These are important features that don't work.  It's false advertising, and unethical.

Fortunately (!!), I have bigger issues that distract me! ;)
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Tuicemen on March 26, 2019, 08:57:20 PM
The fact that features don't work for me or you doesn't make it false advertising if they can show others have the features working.  :(
However knowing some users can't get the advertised features working, I'd would think would at least have them rewording the advertised features in the sales and promotion web pages. ::) :'
 >!
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Dave Mc on March 27, 2019, 04:49:32 AM
I have been using a WM100 exclusively since I moved last July.  History did not work when I first got the WM100 and then it worked sporadically for a couple of months then stopped.  And now for some reason it has been working every time I try for the last few months on both Android and iOS.  I did have to re-sync the time after the change to DST, but other than that it has been working well for what it is.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: ceedee on March 27, 2019, 07:42:41 AM
The fact that features don't work for me or you doesn't make it false advertising if they can show others have the features working.  :(
However knowing some users can't get the advertised features working, I'd would think would at least have them rewording the advertised features in the sales and promotion web pages. ::) :'
 >!

Ok, I'll give you that.  Most features work on my (obsolete) iPhone 5 running iOS 10. However, I am running iOS 12 on my iPad, and many key features don't work.  I don't own a current iPhone, so I can't test that

I can sync with my android 8 phone, but I can't get history.

I'm opening old wounds. Sorry.  B:(
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Tuicemen on March 27, 2019, 08:14:52 AM
I'm opening old wounds. Sorry.  B:(
No need to be sorry! I don't think your opening Old wounds. ;)
Many of us users tired of this have moved to the open sourced PiX10Hub and a $5-$30 RPi ZeroW or newer.
I still keep my WM100 plugged in for my wife as I've not yet introduced her to HomeGenie on the Phone.
She is happy with just being able to turn X10 things on and off and couldn't care a bit about other options.
Check out the PiX10Hub, I'm sure you'll be more then impressed with what can be done with the corner stone, HomeGenie (http://homegenie.it).
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Knightrider on April 02, 2019, 05:38:00 AM
I have trouble connecting to my WM100 around 2230 half the time. It's not on my end, as I've tried it on multiple networks. The issue resolves itself in the AM.
I can't turn off the lights to go to bed.
I don't want to consider myself a power user when I just want a simple off/on.

I purchased a pi kit a few months ago, but haven't had time or energy to play with it. Unfortunate circumstances have called me back to the job I retired from 6 years ago, as the replacement i trained became I'll and passed away.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Tuicemen on April 02, 2019, 06:43:52 AM
You'll just have to go to bed with the lights on.
That's bad that the WM100 isn't letting you sleep. rofl
I have all my lights timed to turn off at 9:00 did that with my wm100 prior as well (no internet needed)usualy I'm in bed at that time.

Setting up the a pi with the PiX10Hub image is easier then installing Windows certainly faster.
Moving your x10 over to it can be done in steps depending on what you wish to do.

Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: dave w on April 03, 2019, 08:26:52 PM
Do you guys take your phones to bed with you? Boy, you must be a lot younger than I thought.  rofl
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: Knightrider on April 04, 2019, 03:03:11 PM
Yes. Sometimes I get a telco from the FD or the plow company and have to leave in the middle of the night.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: HA Dave on May 07, 2019, 09:30:10 AM
Do you guys take your phones to bed with you? Boy, you must be a lot younger than I thought.  rofl

My parents did OK for themselves... but both worked long hours to get there. My brothers and I all had a phones in our rooms as a children (more than 50 years ago).... and yet I can remember as a small child the large wooden crank-phone that hung on the kitchen wall.

I would assume everyone at the forums has phone access while in bed.
Title: Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
Post by: brobin on May 07, 2019, 12:35:05 PM

I would assume everyone at the forums has phone access while in bed.

For calls only in my case. My phone sits in it's charger in my study. It rings on my XBlue 16 multi-line phone system connected by an XLink BT adapter so I can answer or place calls from any room but I don't see texts or use it for anything else when not in my study.  I may carry it around the house if I have a specific need but that's very rare.  (X10, XBlue and XLink are not related to one another.)