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X10 WIFI => X10 WIFI App problems or bugs => Topic started by: scali2018 on April 03, 2018, 06:45:53 PM

Title: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: scali2018 on April 03, 2018, 06:45:53 PM
When can we expect some updates to take care of the issues?  It's been a while.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: VinRin57 on April 03, 2018, 07:29:59 PM
Just thinking of the same thing...hope we're not left orphans... :-\
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on April 03, 2018, 07:35:16 PM
Issues are being worked on. The last attempt to fix the DST issue many are experiencing failed :(
I'll see if I can get an update on progress.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: radioguy1007 on April 03, 2018, 08:27:26 PM
I could live with the DST bug until November.  I would be nice to see the sunrise / sunset issue corrected as that changes every day.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on April 03, 2018, 08:47:27 PM
I did present a couple of options for a dusk/dawn fix or work around to them. One was if the offset times were increased users could set that while they waited for the DST issue to be resolved.
I understand the owner is going to China next week to sit down with the factory management and take in some electronic shows.
Hopefully that doesn't mean we'll have to wait till he gets back before an update. ::) :'
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: HA Dave on April 03, 2018, 09:13:49 PM
.... I understand the owner is going to China next week to sit down with the factory management and take in some electronic shows.

Make sure your passport is up-to-date..... then offer to tag along.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on April 03, 2018, 09:23:46 PM
.... I understand the owner is going to China next week to sit down with the factory management and take in some electronic shows.

Make sure your passport is up-to-date..... then offer to tag along.
rofl
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: brobin on April 03, 2018, 10:45:43 PM
I did some manufacturing in China for a telephone product I invented about 20 years ago.  I learned that while the Chinese can do an excellent job making things to whatever quality level is ordered, their software expertise left something to be desired.  The main problem was just a lack of understanding what or why something was important to a US consumer.  For example, China has only one time zone and no DST (sunrise is after noon in western China!) so they don't have an appreciation for what we deal with here.
 A better course for Authinx to be more responsive and have a more sophisticated product would be to develop the software here - or even India - and just build the products in China.  As HA hobbyists we like to tinker and are willing to put up with some development inconveniences but if Authinx wants to go head-to-head with the current crop of HA brands they need to step up their game.
 
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Knightrider on April 03, 2018, 10:59:20 PM
I'm just hoping the impending trade war does not adversely affect this project.

1-2-3-4, I declare a trade war.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on April 03, 2018, 11:19:24 PM
I'm just hoping the impending trade war does not adversely affect this project.
1-2-3-4, I declare a trade war.
Yes it has started :( and we'll all lose before it is over.
I also hope this project doesn't get affected by it.
 I don't see a trade war affecting free software updates.
Future hardware developments may get side tracked if this escalates and lasts long.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: HA Dave on April 04, 2018, 12:17:02 AM
I'm just hoping the impending trade war does not adversely affect this project. 

You've watched WAY too much TV. Trade tariffs, fee's, and taxes are imposed by EVERY nation on Earth. Whereas there are at least 22 armed conflicts at this point in time.... none of them involve trade. All are merely people killing other human beings.

Calling a trade dispute... a "war".... is like a lawyer calling litigation... a "fight". It is a misuse of the language. No humans bleed during litigation... and no humans are harmed during trade negations either. 
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: JeffVolp on April 04, 2018, 01:03:02 AM
Back when I was beta tester for the CM14A, Jim Phillips would send me an update every few days.  I'm surprised it is taking so long for an update for the WM100.  If the protocol is released maybe programmers here can pick up the task.

Jeff
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on April 04, 2018, 01:19:07 AM
I keep hounding the owner about releasing the protocol.
I believe the manufacture wishes to hold on to it as a sercuity blanket.
We certainly would have had a user created skill by now if it had been released. Maybe we'll see that come out of this trip. ::) :'
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: petera on April 04, 2018, 05:01:02 AM
I keep hounding the owner about releasing the protocol.
I believe the manufacture wishes to hold on to it as a sercuity blanket.
We certainly would have had a user created skill by now if it had been released. Maybe we'll see that come out of this trip. ::) :'

I assume the manufacturer produces the WM100 to order and spec of the owner, including hardware and firmware. Would I be correct in assuming that. If that assumption was correct what hold could the manufacturer possibly have over the owner Authnix.

Surely Authinx could shift production to any location of their choice in the event of manufacturing or logistics difficulties. It would be a silly manufacturer to place all their eggs in one basket in this ever volatile world we live in.

Has anyone stripped down and examined this WM100 yet to see what is under the hood. That's the usual route when code isn't forthcoming.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: dhouston on April 04, 2018, 05:15:04 AM
Has anyone stripped down and examined this WM100 yet to see what is under the hood. That's the usual route when code isn't forthcoming.

http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=30157.msg171990#msg171990 (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=30157.msg171990#msg171990)
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: dhouston on April 04, 2018, 05:17:29 AM
I keep hounding the owner about releasing the protocol.
I believe the manufacture wishes to hold on to it as a sercuity blanket.

My impression all along has been that they are held hostage by the same manufacturer that worked with X10WTI.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on April 04, 2018, 05:47:45 AM
My impression all along has been that they are held hostage by the same manufacturer that worked with X10WTI.
Worked with and not for, is the key.
It is my impression this project was a joint effort with both parties sharing the cost of development .
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: dave w on April 04, 2018, 05:53:07 AM
but if Authinx wants to go head-to-head with the current crop of HA brands they need to step up their game.
Amen.
Releasing source code would open up flood gates of hardware sales.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: HA Dave on April 04, 2018, 06:08:48 AM
I assume the manufacturer produces the WM100 to order and spec of the owner, including hardware and firmware. Would I be correct in assuming that. If that assumption was correct what hold could the manufacturer possibly have over the owner Authnix.

Surely Authinx could shift production to any location of their choice in the event of manufacturing or logistics difficulties. It would be a silly manufacturer to place all their eggs in one basket in this ever volatile world we live in.

I am pretty sure the Chinese expect more of a "partnership"... but with them having the more favorable position.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: scali2018 on April 10, 2018, 04:56:15 AM
Any news on when we might see an update?
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: VinRin57 on May 11, 2018, 04:39:09 PM
Greetings all! Has anyone heard anything regarding an app update? Unit is still being advertised and promoted, including dusk/dawn timer and yet we all know it's an issue?  :'
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on May 11, 2018, 04:42:37 PM
I've been testing a new firmware and app which address the dusk dawn issue so it is coming.
There are some issues to work out with older OS versions verses the newer ones.
 >!
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: VinRin57 on May 11, 2018, 10:31:11 PM
Thank you very much TM... I've grown to put a lot of faith in you!  :)%
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on May 11, 2018, 10:35:08 PM
 :-[ don't put to much faith, I may disappoint you somewhere down the road. ;)
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: scali2018 on June 05, 2018, 11:06:00 AM
Any news on when we might see the update?
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on June 06, 2018, 05:54:36 AM
I had expected to see something by now myself, as I've not been asked to test anything else new. I did request while looking at the timer issues that some extras be added to the timmer code.
I fired off an email to the owner to see if I can get something to report.

Maybe his questioning things will result in a update shortly. ::) :'
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on June 07, 2018, 03:11:37 PM
A software and firmware update should be available arround the 18th.
Apple has to approve the update before they make it available. Authinxwants to release android and apple versions at the same time to avoid confusion.
 >!
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: VinRin57 on June 08, 2018, 03:47:05 AM
And of course, I tried mine yesterday, dawn/dusk- and for some reason - voila - worked!  Ok, if the update does not work, can we roll back?  Thanks TM, thanks all!
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on June 08, 2018, 04:35:37 AM
I don't think you'll be able to roll back as the new app uses new firmware and I'm not sure if the old app is compatible with it.
However you can save a copy of the current APK and reinstall it to test.
it is possible the app will auto update to the new so a roll back may not stick.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: VinRin57 on June 08, 2018, 04:51:38 AM
Thanks! Letís hope for the best!
 >!
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on June 08, 2018, 06:53:51 AM
There should be no new issues with the new update as it was tested by Authinx and myself.
However thata not to say the developer didn't add something after my test.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: brobin on June 10, 2018, 04:10:14 PM
Will the new update include an Alexa skill?
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on June 10, 2018, 04:44:15 PM
I doubt it a skill is a separate piece of code.the developer was focused more on bug issues specifically timer issues.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on June 13, 2018, 09:13:29 AM
Looks like there is a issue with the IOS version of the app so there is going to be a small delay of the update. >*<
I'm not sure what apple wants changed in the app. ::) :'
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: scali2018 on June 19, 2018, 01:02:58 PM
What are the new features and fixes in the upcoming release?  Is there new firmware as well?
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on June 19, 2018, 02:24:42 PM
There is a new firmware I suspect you'll see that first.
As for bug fixes the DST timer issue is fixed  those experiencing wrong dusk dawn times should also be fixed.
As for adds I never seen any in the test version I tried. However I had asked that while looking at timer issues adds related to timers were considered from the wish list. What the developer actually added if anything remains to be seen ::) :'
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: solareclipse on July 01, 2018, 03:35:34 AM
So....   the 18th of which month/year?   rofl
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on July 01, 2018, 05:59:57 AM
So....   the 18th of which month/year?   rofl
Looks like there is a issue with the IOS version of the app so there is going to be a small delay of the update. >*<
I'm not sure what apple wants changed in the app. ::) :'
The issue seems to be something introduced with the new IOS which makes it difficult to sync, the Android update has been ready for over a month.
Why Android users have to wait for this is beyond my understanding. B:( Each OS version update needs to be submitted to different locations.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: solareclipse on July 01, 2018, 06:29:21 AM
Why Android users have to wait for this is beyond my understanding. B:(

Especially considering that the Android version is much more kludgey than the iOS version with the stupid time sync errors constantly.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: JeffVolp on July 01, 2018, 06:31:16 AM
Why Android users have to wait for this is beyond my understanding. B:(

Yes, we are being penalized due to an Apple OS upgrade.

Jeff
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on July 09, 2018, 05:01:54 AM
I fired off another email asking clarification as to why Android users have to wait for the IOS fix.
The reasoning given was the firmware update that is required.

It is common to both OSes, which could create more issues for iOS users running the older iOS. Since there isn't a new iOS app version to utilize it I suspect it would only throw nag pop ups like my test version does right now but I could be wrong. ::) :'
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Knightrider on July 24, 2018, 03:57:34 PM
I thought we were scheduled for June 18th and then had an add-on which was "A small delay".

So....   the 18th of which month/year?   rofl

FWIW, there is definitely a bug with dimming and timers but I'm waiting to fully report until the FW/App gets replaced.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: ceedee on August 08, 2018, 01:10:11 PM
I'm running the latest FW and app (.24) on Android, and the "history" function is still broken. Disappointed.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on August 08, 2018, 01:19:32 PM
I just received an email that the next version of the app and firmware was released.
However this was done by a junior developer (I'm told) so no testing was done on the IO version.
The new firmware should be picked up by the new app version.
 I'm told the firmware update will fail if ones phone goes to sleep while installing so some may have to disable their sleep time out or increase the duration before sleep.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: ceedee on August 08, 2018, 01:27:59 PM
Thanks for the update!  I assume you meant iOS...so, no release imminent?

Classic new-millenium biz model...release with buggy beta SW, collect revenue, and hope for the best.

Nice to know that we only deserve a junior developer  I'm more than a little frustrated.  Let's hope that things move more quickly in the future.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on August 08, 2018, 01:34:11 PM
The firmware update issue I'm not sure about as I've yet to update my Android (still using the test version)
Both OS app versions should throw the notification of a firmware update on starting.
The issue of the history timing out wasn't addressed with this release only dusk/dawn and DST issues.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: ceedee on August 08, 2018, 01:38:49 PM
Ok, got it. Thanks!
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: VinRin57 on August 08, 2018, 09:51:44 PM
And so, iOS update, Android update, firmware update.. waited this long.. cannot move devices up and down.... will keep looking but what is in the release that is meaningful?  Keep selling units, knowing there are issues? All sounds financial to me..  my .02.. how many years?
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tucson on August 09, 2018, 12:55:12 AM
 Very disappointing 👎👎👎

   iPad 2 air will not sync.
   iPhone 8, hard reset and 5 tries and I got one data sync but no history sync. The next time
   I tried a data sync it failed

 

Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on August 09, 2018, 07:02:57 AM
To be fair this update was only to fix bugs in the timer section DST, Dusk/Dawn etc. some of which many users never noticed.
Time will tell if even those simple bugs were fixed ::) :'
The issue with IOS from my understanding never got fixed as a junior developer pushed out the release before Authinx or anyone actually had a chance to test it. B:(
I don't expect very many to be happy with this release (Authinx or users) other then for it just finally coming.
  Keep selling units, knowing there are issues? All sounds financial to me..  my .02.. how many years?
All financial for the developers this simple timer issues should have only taken a couple of months instead it stretched into months. B:(
The only add that was suppose to be done was an increase in the offset time for Dusk/Dawn (I figured and asked since they were working on timers could we get that added) and the developer didn't even get that right  >*<
The developer assured Authinx that would be no problem ::) :'
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: VinRin57 on August 09, 2018, 07:08:43 AM
As always, thank you TM. So all of this time the only thing that's possibly fixed, is dusk/dawn.  I guess that would be nice that at a bare minimum we have a working app. As for the wish list?  >*<  Thanks again...
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on August 09, 2018, 07:25:42 AM
The only things that I've been able to confirm is the dusk/dawn but that doesn't mean everyone will see that. The DST /Standard time sync will not be fully noticed till next year (at which time I doubt Authinx with have the developer onboard) B:(
Nothing changed for me from the test app I was running and it was suppose to. B:(
No one should be thanking me for this mess but at least your not blaming me. ;)
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: ceedee on August 09, 2018, 07:41:00 AM
Honestly, even if itís fixed, the military time in D/D (android) is a step backwards.  Now, I see the on time (dusk) as military, and my off time in standard format.  Add the  fact that the iOS app does not show any time for a D/D setting.

I agree with other posts that the UI needs some serious attention. Also, the fact that I canít get history with Android and iOS just blows my mind.  This feature is highlighted in the WM100 specs!

Authinx has some PR work to do with its WM100 users.

Finally, will the return to standard time in November test the code?

Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on August 09, 2018, 08:05:07 AM
Originally I was told the off set time of Dusk/Dawn would not be displayed for the release version as I stated it was I nice touch.
It appears this was the case for IOS and just another confirmation to me that nothing was done to the Android test version code I had. I wouldn't be surprised to see it disappear in the next release. ::) :'
The military time for Dusk/Dawn doesn't bother me but I agree the format should be the same.

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Authinx has some PR work to do with its WM100 users.

I agree, however this mess was out of their hands the developer was not to release this till Authinx tested it with IOS as that was the hold up with the release and it appears after several months the IOS sync issue is still not fixed.
The factory looks after the developers so blame I guess should fall on the factory.

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Finally, will the return to standard time in November test the code?
most definitely as will DST next spring. Authinx has been assured this is fixed but originally they (Authinx) couldn't recreate this at their location anyways. ::) :'
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: ceedee on August 09, 2018, 08:31:40 AM
Tuicemen,
Thanks for the updates and insight.  It makes me feel a little better that we have a "user voice" advocating for us! :)%
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on August 09, 2018, 08:58:01 AM
@ceedee your most welcome.
I do make sure all users concerns are presented to the Owner off Authinx as well as those working directly with the developers of this device.
 Every one at Authinx is very displeased with this release and they are pushing to get the Android version corrected quickly.

For those with IOS sync issues
, this update doesn't seem to fix that and Authinx is aware of that now. The developer had told them it was fixed but oviously it wasn't. The developer wasn't able to recreate the issue which may be the reason they assumed it was corrected. ::) :' they are pushing the developer on this as well.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tucson on August 09, 2018, 10:54:01 PM
😐 Well they broke D/D for AZ now it is 1 hour late.   Probably has to do with the fact that we donít do daylight savings time here in Arizona.  I guess now that I have 90 minutes I can compensate  but  B:( and if I have to change it  every time the clocks change in other states Iím a go looking for my old timer.

Also the developer needs to buy some new iOS Devices. My old iPhone 6S syncís just fine but my iPhone 8 and iPad Air 2 do not. Guessing theyíre testing old hardware.  Thank goodniess I have old phone around or I would be out of luck.


Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: ceedee on August 10, 2018, 06:28:31 AM
Also the developer needs to buy some new iOS Devices. My old iPhone 6S syncís just fine but my iPhone 8 and iPad Air 2 do not. Guessing theyíre testing old hardware.  Thank goodniess I have old phone around or I would be out of luck.

I use my iPhone 5 running ios 10.  It's the only device I have that executes all app features reliably!
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: stefl on August 10, 2018, 09:04:24 AM
On my iPhone 7  ios 11.4.1   with latest version on the X10wifi  all functions are working just fine  GOOD JOB
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: brobin on August 10, 2018, 11:02:07 AM
Probably NO one lacks knowledge about time zones and DST more than the Chinese which has only one time zone (Beijing Time) for the entire country which spans 5 time zone bands. I you live in western China the "crack of dawn" has you up and at 'em at 11AM!  The concept of DST or individual states setting their own time is not inherent knowledge there. They need to be told that a 'DST Enabled' check box has to be added to time zone selection as well as week, day and month for DST start and end, i.e., '2nd Sunday March' as it may differ by country or change at some point.

If software development has to be kept in China for some reason, then at least a comprehensive spec needs to be presented to the team IN PERSON. 20 years ago, when I first sent a software spec to the Chinese developers (actually in Taiwan) for a telephone call routing device that I designed, what I got back was virtually useless. I went there and had the development team in a room where I gave a 'chalk talk' going over every detail of the spec and explaining why and how the US telephone system worked. The translator was good and they video taped the whole meeting and took photos of everything that I did on the whiteboard while taking copious notes in Chinese.  The result was far superior with only some minor tweaks needed that were made in days - not weeks.  I don't know if Authinx is doing this but they will continue to be frustrated if they're not.

Funny story: When my wife (who can speak Chinese) and I went to the lab there for final pre-production acceptance testing, we discovered a major flaw that made the 10,000 chips they had produced without approval worthless.  While they huddled a few feet away discussing the situation in Chinese, my wife whispered, "they're going to tell you 'this will take 6 weeks to correct' but they really can do it in 3."  Sure enough they came back and said it would take 6 weeks and I told them NO!, they had to do it in 3.  They had forgotten that my wife could understand them and had the biggest 'Oh crap' look on their faces when they realized what had just happened!
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on August 10, 2018, 11:15:46 AM
The owner has gone to China on several occasions for the WM100 as well as other projects.
The story of your wife interpreting Chinese leads me to think the Authinx owner needs someone to do that for himIf he doesn't already.
The software issue communication is mostly done by phone. However the owner has made some trips over this.
Maybe with enough software frustration Authinx will put their foot down and demand the Protocol no mater what it takes. ::) :'

Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: ceedee on August 10, 2018, 12:50:21 PM
Just updated my Android app to 2.0.09. Can anyone provide specifics on what changed?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on August 10, 2018, 05:22:20 PM
It appears the 2.0.0.8 version was the test app I was running. The difference is the 90 min off set and no display of the actual dusk/dawn times.
2.0.0.9 brings the Android app in line with the IOS version. the Junior developer uploaded the wrong build to the app store originally apparently.( that explains why I saw no difference) ::) :'
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: ceedee on August 10, 2018, 06:00:30 PM
Thanks.  Wish they had left the times in there, and added to the iOS app.  Now, I have to look at the log file (in arrears) if I want to know, but thatís broken!  Alas.

Still canít figure out why the offsets change to 15 min increments after 30. Feature?  Oversight?  Coding/UI limitation?
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on August 10, 2018, 06:05:57 PM
Still canít figure out why the offsets change to 15 min increments after 30. Feature?  Oversight?  Coding/UI limitation?
In experienced programmer?
Authinx can't figure this out either. Sometimes you have to hold some ones hand or stand over their shoulder to get things done wright. B:(
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: VinRin57 on August 10, 2018, 08:18:32 PM
TM- this may need to be moved to Dusk/Dawn thread...
But after waiting and waiting for the update to correct Dawn / Dusk .. Drum roll for 2 day results:
Central NJ: Dawn 5:35am- time off 6am, 6:01 am. Dusk 8:30pm - time on 8:02pm, 8:01pm.  Bravo! 30 minutes off...

Why not do the EXACT and let the user decide offset?  Timer function is looking to be more manageable.. my .02 from a cranky old man.
 B:(
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: VinRin57 on August 10, 2018, 08:24:59 PM
WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOLD ON!  I just checked something out - not Dusk/Dawn but Sunset/Sunrise.. Survey says...

Central NJ: Sunset- 7:59pm- Lights on 8:02am, 8:01pm.  Sunrise - 6:04am- Lights off 6:00am, 6:01 am.

Do we see a pattern here??????????
Are we asking the programmer Dawn/Dusk or Sunrise/Sunset???
 -:)
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: ceedee on August 10, 2018, 10:02:33 PM
Iíve always assumed it was S/S, because the values are calculated; not a result of sensors in X10 motion detectors. My times correspond to S/S in my area.  I use the offsets to calculate my own unofficial D/D.  At one time, I once had a motion flood turn on my lights, and its light sensor could be adjusted to react closer to actually dusk and dawn times.

I highly doubt that the programmer is calculating or sourcing actual D/D numbers.  To your point, the D/D nomenclature should be archived on the WM100.

Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: ceedee on September 11, 2018, 05:29:26 PM
So, does anyone know if new releases of app and firmware are in the works?
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 12, 2018, 02:58:57 AM
There will always be a software or firmware update in the pipeline until Authinix cans the developer.
The speed at which we see those materialize, is as we have seen, not a speedy one. B:(
There is so much this controller is capable of, sadly I doubt I'll ever see it using its full potential.
The IOS sycn issue is still present I'm told, and the issue with timers still has not been fully fixed >*<
There is a large list of user requested adds which haven't even been looked at yet. ::) :'

Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: ceedee on September 12, 2018, 07:54:53 AM
There will always be a software or firmware update in the pipeline until Authinix cans the developer.
The speed at which we see those materialize, is as we have seen, not a speedy one. B:(
There is so much this controller is capable of, sadly I doubt I'll ever see it using its full potential.
The IOS sycn issue is still present I'm told, and the issue with timers still has not been fully fixed >*<
There is a large list of user requested adds which haven't even been looked at yet. ::) :'

At this point, Iíd be somewhat satisfied if the product performance met the marketing feature list.   Then, we can think about adding new stuff. The iOS sync bug is a big issue for me.  If the timers are still broken, thatís right up there too.

I just get the feeling that we'll be talking about these issues a year from now.

Alas...
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: dave w on September 12, 2018, 04:06:07 PM

I just get the feeling that we'll be talking about these issues a year from now.
H-m-m-m. You're new here aren't you?  That would explain your outlandish optimism.   rofl
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: petera on September 12, 2018, 05:27:18 PM

I just get the feeling that we'll be talking about these issues a year from now.
H-m-m-m. You're new here aren't you?  That would explain your outlandish optimism.   rofl

Chinese proverb................Man who pisses in wind gets his own back.... :'(

I'm assuming that owner and developer are one and the same person so do the problems lie there or with the manufacturer in China. Owner places order and China manufacture to order. Would I be missing something else in the supply chain here.

I am not aware of too many other X10 forums on the Web so maybe the owner/developer could take the opportunity to address WM100 users on this forum directly instead of leaking information through 3rd parties via Chinese whispers (pardon the pun)
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: dhouston on September 12, 2018, 05:41:38 PM
I'm assuming that owner and developer are one and the same person so do the problems lie there or with the manufacturer in China. Owner places order and China manufacture to order. Would I be missing something else in the supply chain here.
See... http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=28678.0 (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=28678.0)

Reading between the lines, the manufacturer seems to be the same one used by X10WTI and they either supply or contract with the developer. I suspect Authinx is nearly as much on the outside looking in as are the X10 users you'll encounter here. IOW, I would not expect much improvement.

Since the introduction of the CM15A, users have had very little input into or influence on firmware features.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: petera on September 12, 2018, 09:00:47 PM
I'm assuming that owner and developer are one and the same person so do the problems lie there or with the manufacturer in China. Owner places order and China manufacture to order. Would I be missing something else in the supply chain here.
See... http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=28678.0 (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=28678.0)

Reading between the lines, the manufacturer seems to be the same one used by X10WTI and they either supply or contract with the developer. I suspect Authinx is nearly as much on the outside looking in as are the X10 users you'll encounter here. IOW, I would not expect much improvement.

Since the introduction of the CM15A, users have had very little input into or influence on firmware features.

I have to admit that I hadn't read that post before.

After four years it's long on aspiration and short on delivery. Four years is a lifetime in technology terms.

The wifi module they mention is obviously the WM100. Basically it's a wireless ota remote control that depends on a mobile app to control the X10 devices which is routed through 3rd party servers. Am I correct in this assumption. Is this the best they can come up with after four years. Can its functionality, or lack of justify its cost.

I have a gut feeling Authinx have hit a brick wall development wise. The advantage of not leaving a PC running 24/7 has all but evaporated with the introduction of the single board computer. In fact I'd imagine a single board computer consumes less electricity than a WM100 and of course it's gives the user a lot more options home automation wise coupled with an X10 controller.

I imagine a single board computer coupled with an improved CM15 would give the user more bang for their buck.

If Authinx listen to and respect the opinions of X10 users on this forum they might find they are travelling in the wrong direction and take corrective action before its too late for them. Not being a WM100 owner I'm purely commenting from the feedback I've read on recent posts and users perceived disappointment with the whole affair.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: dhouston on September 12, 2018, 09:24:36 PM
I imagine a single board computer coupled with an improved CM15 would give the user more bang for their buck.

Tuicemen has created a demo of an SBC/CM15A but the one advantage of the WM100 is its much higher PLC output (about 6x the CM15A). That's why I've suggested replacing the WM100 MCU/WiFi/RAM daughterboard with a $10 Raspberry Pi Zero W. 
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 13, 2018, 08:20:23 AM
I imagine a single board computer coupled with an improved CM15 would give the user more bang for their buck.
This was my original thinking behind my PI ZeroW/CM15 mod. ;)

That's why I've suggested replacing the WM100 MCU/WiFi/RAM daughterboard with a $10 Raspberry Pi Zero W. 
I'd not thought of that mainly because the proto type WM I had on had was packed tight. the newer daughter board ismuch smaller and the main board is also layed out differently now.
This allows for a Pi ZerroW board to easily fit inside the WM with space to spare.

The MW Wi-FI daughter board will easily come off the main board and the zero would fit exactly where the current wi-fi daughter board is. ;)
It may even be possible to use the WM connecting pins to connect the Zero to the main board. ::) :'
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: petera on September 13, 2018, 09:36:39 AM
I imagine a single board computer coupled with an improved CM15 would give the user more bang for their buck.

Tuicemen has created a demo of an SBC/CM15A but the one advantage of the WM100 is its much higher PLC output (about 6x the CM15A). That's why I've suggested replacing the WM100 MCU/WiFi/RAM daughterboard with a $10 Raspberry Pi Zero W.

Created something similar a while back using the CM15 Pro UL (European version of the CM15) which is running X10 on Home Assistant with many other elements of home automation. It appears to be far more functional than the WM100 with little or no imagination or effort required to come up with the idea.

With reports of the CM15 lacking power on the PL for transmission of X10 codes I assume the circuitry design on the CM15 Pro UL was improved at some stage. I've little or no noise on the PL and reaction times are at 0.5sec.

Surely Authinx could have researched the possibikity of improving the CM15 design and functionality instead of going to the time and expense of designing and manufacturing the WM100 only to find they are now struggling with this product.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 13, 2018, 11:05:31 AM

Surely Authinx could have researched the possibikity of improving the CM15 design and functionality instead of going to the time and expense of designing and manufacturing the WM100 only to find they are now struggling with this product.
At the time the CM15A and AHP appeared as though a simple software revamp would be possible to solve most issues.
The factory has no idea of the inner workings of the CM15 so the WM100 I believe was designed as a way to get simple Wi-Fi access.
The original wi-fi chip allowed this but just as Authinx was about to go into production that chip was discontinued. The new chip allowed more options and it was about this time the realization of a AHP revamp was impossible (due to missing code bits and obsolete drivers) was driven home.
Software was ready for the original design after going through several developers however it needed to be rebuilt to work with the new chip. A new developer again was required as the original ones no longer were available. ::) :'  I'm not sure if this current developer is the one they got  but I suspect it is given the slow development of the software and that they have control of the protocol. Attached shows the evolution of the layouts 4 being current version 1 being the old chip design.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: JeffVolp on September 13, 2018, 11:24:20 AM
Attached shows the evolution of the layouts 4 being current version 1 being the old chip design.

The one I have appears to be your version 3 (photo lower left) except the PCB label says PCB0148H, not EBS.

Jeff
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 13, 2018, 11:53:22 AM
Yes I believe my # 3 board was the pre-release of the first run My first run version is in use at the off grid place so I wasn't able to add it into the group. #4 is the replacement I got for my bricked unit (#3) I'll pop the daughter board out and open my moded CM15 to get a better comparison of the ZeroW and it.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: petera on September 13, 2018, 04:00:18 PM
Yes I believe my # 3 board was the pre-release of the first run My first run version is in use at the off grid place so I wasn't able to add it into the group. #4 is the replacement I got for my bricked unit (#3) I'll pop the daughter board out and open my moded CM15 to get a better comparison of the ZeroW and it.

I'm assuming that from the fact that you have pre production versions that you have the ear of the developer. I'm also assuming that from what you are saying that you have passed on your reservations to the developer and they are suffering from selective deafness. Clearly they haven't been listening to you or reading the commentary on the forum.

Either way the WM100 does not sound like the answer to X10 in the 120 volt world.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 13, 2018, 05:03:19 PM
I'm assuming that from the fact that you have pre production versions that you have the ear of the developer. I'm also assuming that from what you are saying that you have passed on your reservations to the developer and they are suffering from selective deafness. Clearly they haven't been listening to you or reading the commentary on the forum.

Either way the WM100 does not sound like the answer to X10 in the 120 volt world.

I wish I had the ear of the developer directly :' ::)
My suggestions and Ideas as well as those of forum users get passed on  to the developer and factory through Authinx.
Obviously the developer doesn't like being told how to do things or there is a definite miss understanding.
As others have stated the WM100 hardware is solid. The issue is the software/firmware side.
I managed to pry open my CM15/zero ase to directly compare the zero and wi-fi daughter board of the WM100.
sadly the Zero appears to be a bit to wide to fit where the daughter board was with out modifying it or the WM :(.
I had hoped they were the same width.
Attached shows the two side by side with the daughter board pulled revealing the under side exposing the pin descriptions ;)
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: petera on September 13, 2018, 05:30:34 PM
I'm assuming that from the fact that you have pre production versions that you have the ear of the developer. I'm also assuming that from what you are saying that you have passed on your reservations to the developer and they are suffering from selective deafness. Clearly they haven't been listening to you or reading the commentary on the forum.

Either way the WM100 does not sound like the answer to X10 in the 120 volt world.

I wish I had the ear of the developer directly :' ::)
My suggestions and Ideas as well as those of forum users get passed on  to the developer and factory through Authinx.
Obviously the developer doesn't like being told how to do things or there is a definite miss understanding.
As others have stated the WM100 hardware is solid. The issue is the software/firmware side.
I managed to pry open my CM15/zero ase to directly compare the zero and wi-fi daughter board of the WM100.
sadly the Zero appears to be a bit to wide to fit where the daughter board was with out modifying it or the WM :(.
I had hoped they were the same width.
Attached shows the two side by side with the daughter board pulled revealing the under side exposing the pin descriptions ;)

If I was you I wouldn't get too caught up on the casing. I'd simply mount the Zero on bottom of the casing, fabricate a plexiglas holder giving you maximum access to the GPIO pins for use at a later stage

If as I suspect Authinx dismiss your idea you always have the mod available to current and future WM100 owners should they choose to go that route. They can then decide what platform they require to run it on.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: JeffVolp on September 13, 2018, 05:36:55 PM
As others have stated the WM100 hardware is solid. The issue is the software/firmware side.
I managed to pry open my CM15/zero ase to directly compare the zero and wi-fi daughter board of the WM100.
sadly the Zero appears to be a bit to wide to fit where the daughter board was with out modifying it or the WM :(.
I had hoped they were the same width.

If this could be a substitute controller board for the WM100, the volume could be substantial.  I wonder if an agreement could be worked out between Authinx and the Raspberry developer to offer a version with the correct form factor and interface so it could be a plug-in replacement?

Jeff
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 13, 2018, 06:04:11 PM
If I was you I wouldn't get too caught up on the casing. I'd simply mount the Zero on bottom of the casing, fabricate a plexiglas holder giving you maximum access to the GPIO pins for use at a later stage

If as I suspect Authinx dismiss your idea you always have the mod available to current and future WM100 owners should they choose to go that route. They can then decide what platform they require to run it on.
I've not got a mod for the WM100 that would require more knowledge and expertise then I have. It will take a community effort to develop that.
A SBC inside a WM100 was pitched to Authinx for a Pro version which I believe the factory shot down, :( for reasons I wasn't told. I've not yet heard many details of what is/was planed for a Pro version.
In my opinion it isn't looking much like a pro version but I've been wrong before.
Current issues with the WM100 software may put all that on hold.

The zero W in the CM15A doesn't limit exposure to the GPIO pins I can still access them by sliding/removing the battery cover.
Also Authinx hasn't totally dismissed the idea of a SBC inside a CM15 though I wouldn't hold your breath for it. ::) :'
I'm still working on the SBC options and connections for the CM15, I also want a cleaner look then my proof of concept.

Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 13, 2018, 06:15:46 PM
If this could be a substitute controller board for the WM100, the volume could be substantial.  I wonder if an agreement could be worked out between Authinx and the Raspberry developer to offer a version with the correct form factor and interface so it could be a plug-in replacement?

Jeff
That certainly may be possible. Authinx could sell it separately as an enhancement board. Either to the current WM or the Pro versions expanding options substantially. This would require modifying the case by the end user however, unless Authinx included that portion of the case with the upgrade board.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: JeffVolp on September 13, 2018, 07:11:06 PM
[This would require modifying the case by the end user however, unless Authinx included that portion of the case with the upgrade board.

I was thinking about a module that would be repackaged so it would be a plug-in replacement for the current daughter board, and manufactured by Raspberry.  That would take the current WM100 manufacturer out of the picture.

Jeff
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 13, 2018, 07:18:17 PM
I'm a bit confused  :o Raspberry to make just a new daughter board, or the whole new X10 module?
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: petera on September 13, 2018, 08:26:31 PM
If I was you I wouldn't get too caught up on the casing. I'd simply mount the Zero on bottom of the casing, fabricate a plexiglas holder giving you maximum access to the GPIO pins for use at a later stage

If as I suspect Authinx dismiss your idea you always have the mod available to current and future WM100 owners should they choose to go that route. They can then decide what platform they require to run it on.
I've not got a mod for the WM100 that would require more knowledge and expertise then I have. It will take a community effort to develop that.
A SBC inside a WM100 was pitched to Authinx for a Pro version which I believe the factory shot down, :( for reasons I wasn't told. I've not yet heard many details of what is/was planed for a Pro version.
In my opinion it isn't looking much like a pro version but I've been wrong before.
Current issues with the WM100 software may put all that on hold.

The zero W in the CM15A doesn't limit exposure to the GPIO pins I can still access them by sliding/removing the battery cover.
Also Authinx hasn't totally dismissed the idea of a SBC inside a CM15 though I wouldn't hold your breath for it. ::) :'
I'm still working on the SBC options and connections for the CM15, I also want a cleaner look then my proof of concept.

This could be an ideal DIY mod project for members on the forum. Either using the CM15 or the WM100 it would be interesting to see what members could come up with by incorporating their SBC with an X10 controller and report back on the results.

There's no doubt that X10 Is fast becoming a niche product and this fact may preclude any potential developer from investing any further resources into this area. This is where DIYers come into their own.

All of my lighting and many of my appliances are still controlled via X10 and will remain so while I can still integrate them into the bigger home automation picture. I have yet to meet a hurdle I cannot jump over using X10.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: JeffVolp on September 13, 2018, 10:05:16 PM
I'm a bit confused  :o Raspberry to make just a new daughter board, or the whole new X10 module?

If there is enough projected volume, maybe Raspberry would repackage their existing Pi so it would fit into the same form factor as the existing WM100 daughter board.  So no new case would be needed.  Then Authinx or a subcontractor could procure just the base WM100 PCB and power supply, and install the Raspberry daughter board in the existing case to create a real WM100 Pro.

Jeff
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: petera on September 14, 2018, 07:51:41 AM
I'm a bit confused  :o Raspberry to make just a new daughter board, or the whole new X10 module?

If there is enough projected volume, maybe Raspberry would repackage their existing Pi so it would fit into the same form factor as the existing WM100 daughter board.  So no new case would be needed.  Then Authinx or a subcontractor could procure just the base WM100 PCB and power supply, and install the Raspberry daughter board in the existing case to create a real WM100 Pro.

Jeff

Raspberry Pi manufacturers don't actively encourage commercial exploitation of their products. Their ethos is based on a purely educational one and in fact they discourage volume sales of their units. They are not likely to redesign their boards for commercial purposes.

You are more likely to open discussions on this subject with the makers of OrangePi http://www.orangepi.org/orangepizero/ which has the same look and feel of the Raspberry Pi Zero W and should be as easily programmable.

I'm going to order one soon to evaluate its suitability.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: dhouston on September 14, 2018, 07:54:50 AM
sadly the Zero appears to be a bit to wide to fit where the daughter board was with out modifying it or the WM :( .
I had hoped they were the same width.
How wide is the WM100 daughterboard?
Would a 25.4mm wide D1mini Pro fit in its space? https://wiki.wemos.cc/products:d1:d1_mini_pro (https://wiki.wemos.cc/products:d1:d1_mini_pro)
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 14, 2018, 08:28:13 AM
sadly the Zero appears to be a bit to wide to fit where the daughter board was with out modifying it or the WM :( .
I had hoped they were the same width.
How wide is the WM100 daughterboard?
Would a 25.4mm wide D1mini Pro fit in its space? https://wiki.wemos.cc/products:d1:d1_mini_pro (https://wiki.wemos.cc/products:d1:d1_mini_pro)
the daughter board is 24 X 50 mm, space available I think is 25 X75 mm there may be a number of boards that may work as a replacement as the manufactures of these constantly improve an shrink thier boards.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 14, 2018, 08:50:14 AM
I also don't believe the pi developers would be interested in creating  a specialty module though there are other manufactures that may jump at the chance.
There real trick is creating the software to talk to the WM.
If/when end users figure this out anything will be possible but then we probably wouldn't need a different daughter board other then to supply a usb connection for other devices. ::) :'
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: dhouston on September 15, 2018, 02:41:46 PM
The daughterboard has LECONIOT beneath a logo.

A little searching turns up http://leconiot.com/ but my inability to read Chinese leaves me confused.

Then https://apkplz.com/android-apps/wijit-automation indicates that Authinx, Inc. is the developer of the Wijit APK leaving me even further confused.

Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: JeffVolp on September 15, 2018, 03:10:53 PM
The daughterboard has LECONIOT beneath a logo.

A little searching turns up http://leconiot.com/ but my inability to read Chinese leaves me confused.

Maybe this is the daughter board?  http://www.wijitautomation.com/hub.html

Jeff

Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 15, 2018, 03:13:32 PM
The wijit modules and app is what the factory put together while developing the WM100 the modules are one way RF modules the hub takes the wifi and sends RF to the modules for on or off there is no dim function and they are not X10. I was sent a sample package and did post a review of these on this forum. It would make sence that a simular board is used in that hub. When I get a chance I'll compare the two daughter boards.
I believe these were produced to offset cost of the WM100 development. http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=29837.msg168956#msg168956
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: petera on September 15, 2018, 03:38:26 PM
The wijit modules and app is what the factory put together while developing the WM100 the modules are one way RF modules the hub takes the wifi and sends RF to the modules for on or off there is no dim function and they are not X10. I was sent a sample package and did post a review of these on this forum. It would make sence that a simular board is used in that hub. When I get a chance I'll compare the two daughter boards.
I believe these were produced to offset cost of the WM100 development. http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=29837.msg168956#msg168956

If you were to do a side by side comparison with the WM100 and the CM15 attached to a Raspberry Pi running one of the many X10 options what are the advantages of the WM100 over the CM15.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: dhouston on September 15, 2018, 03:53:34 PM
Maybe this is the daughter board?  http://www.wijitautomation.com/hub.html (http://www.wijitautomation.com/hub.html)
Could be. The daughterboard seems to be overkill for the WM100 but it might make sense to repurpose it rather than develop a completely new board.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 15, 2018, 04:13:08 PM

If you were to do a side by side comparison with the WM100 and the CM15 attached to a Raspberry Pi running one of the many X10 options what are the advantages of the WM100 over the CM15.
Currenty there isnt much in the way of an advantage of using the WM as we can only guess at the future WM potential. However the WM has a  stonger PLC signal and the WM uses half the power of a PI CM15 combo. Only one outlet gets use with the WM.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: petera on September 15, 2018, 04:36:27 PM

If you were to do a side by side comparison with the WM100 and the CM15 attached to a Raspberry Pi running one of the many X10 options what are the advantages of the WM100 over the CM15.
Currenty there isnt much in the way of an advantage of using the WM as we can only guess at the future WM potential. However the WM has a  stonger PLC signal and the WM uses half the power of a PI CM15 combo. Only one outlet gets use with the WM.

On price comparison a CM15 plus a Pi Zero, power supply and an SD card would total roughly around the same price as the WM100 with the obvious advantages of having the development capabilities of the CM15/Pi Zero combo.

Is the WM100 really that big of a development at the end of the day after all this time. I'm sure adding a Pi Zero to the WM100 will improve its functionality buts it hard to believe the developers thought processes didn't stretch beyond another X10 controller with a mobile app.

Maybe he has much bigger plans in the pipeline he's not willing to share with anyone at the moment. I hope so for his sake.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 15, 2018, 04:59:20 PM

On price comparison a CM15 plus a Pi Zero, power supply and an SD card would total roughly around the same price as the WM100 with the obvious advantages of having the development capabilities of the CM15/Pi Zero combo.

Is the WM100 really that big of a development at the end of the day after all this time. I'm sure adding a Pi Zero to the WM100 will improve its functionality buts it hard to believe the developers thought processes didn't stretch beyond another X10 controller with a mobile app.

Maybe he has much bigger plans in the pipeline he's not willing to share with anyone at the moment. I
 hope so for his sake.
The Cost factor is due to development costs of the WM100 which far exceeded the initial estimate, and is still ongoing.
the memory on board the WM is far greater the the CM15 but that doesn't factor in as we're  comparing with a PI.
the WM100 doesn't need a PI inside the only reason it is being discussed is as a means to by past the hold the developer has on this modules progress.
Maybe this is the daughter board?  http://www.wijitautomation.com/hub.html (http://www.wijitautomation.com/hub.html)
Could be. The daughterboard seems to be overkill for the WM100 but it might make sense to repurpose it rather than develop a completely new board.
The first prototype with this daughter board did not have a way to watch PLC activity thus it was a suppid controler simular to what the Wijits are. It also never had a upgradeable firmware capability which it does now. I never did open a Wijit Hub and only used it to learn the RF codes to my Broadlink RM.
 
Interestingly the wijit software (app) has yet to get a update (that I'm aware of)


Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: ceedee on September 15, 2018, 07:21:10 PM
For $100, I can buy any combo of TP-Link WiFi bulb/WiFi outlet switch (appliance module). The SW allows me to create scenes, schedules, supports S/S, and had local and remote control. 

I purchased the WM100 because I have 25 years worth of X10 stuff.  I would never choose X10 if I was starting from scratch.  I just canít see a marketing plan that shows X10 market share increasing.  No way to cover additional investment costs.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: dhouston on September 15, 2018, 07:51:22 PM
The wijit modules and app is what the factory put together while developing the WM100 the modules are one way RF modules the hub takes the wifi and sends RF to the modules for on or off there is no dim function and they are not X10. I was sent a sample package and did post a review of these on this forum. It would make sence that a simular board is used in that hub. When I get a chance I'll compare the two daughter boards.
I believe these were produced to offset cost of the WM100 development. http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=29837.msg168956#msg168956 (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=29837.msg168956#msg168956)

The WM100 daughterboard has WM100_V1.1 on it so I doubt it's also used in the Wijit.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 15, 2018, 08:01:11 PM
The wijit modules and app is what the factory put together while developing the WM100 the modules are one way RF modules the hub takes the wifi and sends RF to the modules for on or off there is no dim function and they are not X10. I was sent a sample package and did post a review of these on this forum. It would make sence that a simular board is used in that hub. When I get a chance I'll compare the two daughter boards.
I believe these were produced to offset cost of the WM100 development. http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=29837.msg168956#msg168956 (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=29837.msg168956#msg168956)
The WM100 daughterboard has WM100_V1.1 on it so I doubt it's also used in the Wijit.
No not that board but most likely every simular, remember the Wijits came out at least 2 months before the first WM100.
My first proto type with this daughter board has no identification markings on it but it has one less pin (no PLC monitor pin)


Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 15, 2018, 08:09:20 PM
I would never choose X10 if I was starting from scratch.  I just canít see a marketing plan that shows X10 market share increasing.  No way to cover additional investment costs.
X10 most likely wouldn't be my first choice either if I were to start from scratch, however it continues to be sold to first time home automation users.
The fact that so many consider it is it has been arround for so long and stood the test of time.
The web is full of x10 trouble shooting tips and ways to improve reliability.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: ceedee on September 15, 2018, 09:40:01 PM
I would never choose X10 if I was starting from scratch.  I just canít see a marketing plan that shows X10 market share increasing.  No way to cover additional investment costs.
X10 most likely wouldn't be my first choice either if I were to start from scratch, however it continues to be sold to first time home automation users.
The fact that so many consider it is it has been arround for so long and stood the test of time.
The web is full of x10 trouble shooting tips and ways to improve reliability.

I agree with you that itís rock-solid. Itís simple, easy to install, and it just works. However, the WM100 has to also be feature-rich to keep up with the competition. Itís not quite there yet. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 15, 2018, 09:49:54 PM
I agree with you that itís rock-solid. Itís simple, easy to install, and it just works. However, the WM100 has to also be feature-rich to keep up with the competition. Itís not quite there yet. Fingers crossed.
Many here and at Authinx are disappointed and frustrated with the slow progress of the apps development.
90% of what end users are looking for are possible with this module given a workable app.
Hopefully Authinx can light a fire under the developer and they get moving! AHP took years to get the options it has however in the begining it was basic too. In the early stages of AHPs developement we got updates almost weekly.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Knightrider on September 16, 2018, 10:11:09 AM
And sometimes it's better to cut bait and run.

You can light a fire all you want. Many years ago our local radio station burned to the ground. A local DJ was eating cake in the control room and still on the air.  He didn't want to leave the building till he finished the cake and the transmitter fried.

Not sure if that was dedication to his craft, or dedication to his food, but neither was a good excuse to risk what he did.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: dhouston on September 16, 2018, 01:38:43 PM
This 25mm x 30mm version of the D1 mini Pro would fit but its ideal mate would be with Jeff's XTB-232.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077VMG7Z2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077VMG7Z2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 16, 2018, 03:31:44 PM
And sometimes it's better to cut bait and run.

Authinx did consider this prior to the release but they were to far into it by then.
I'm not sure how much of the cost they have recouped but it may be worth a second look. ::) :'
I've been trying to get some feed back on where the development of the apps stand but I believe the guy at Authinx handling this may be on holidays. ::) :'
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 17, 2018, 03:19:40 PM
I've just been informed a new update should be released by weeks end.
However we've been told that before B:(
Seems the factory and developer felt they weren't responsible for bugs fixes and updates  :o
Not sure who they expected to do this as the protocol & app code isn't available to anyone else. B:(
Authinx thinks they have finally come to the understanding that bug fixes and updates are part of the item and they can't just leave it as is.

This is completely new to them as they're just use to producing the hardware.
They are also saying the hardware doesn't have the capability to do a lot of the things the owner wishes added which I think is an excuse to create another (Pro) unit.
In any case here is what we can expect to see with the new apps update this time arround.
 
-Fixed syncing issues between the WM100 and some iphones/ipads
-Added non-DST options to Dusk/Dawn Timers
-Increased Dawn/Dusk offsets to 5 minute increments (up to a max of 90 minutes)
I suspect this means the offsets will all be in 5 min increments
 >!
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Knightrider on September 17, 2018, 03:38:48 PM
If they see no need to maintain the software, they should dump it. That's my logic. Give it to authinex.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 17, 2018, 03:57:33 PM
If they see no need to maintain the software, they should dump it. That's my logic. Give it to authinex.
I told the owner the factory and developer we not living up to the original agreement by stating the hardware couldn't do what was being asked of it.
It was never Authinx's intention to create a glorified remote with simple timer functions.

If the hardware can't do what is being asked now there is no need for Authinx to have the protocol, this is a dead end device.
They'd be better off updating the CM15A with stronger PLC, RF and drop in a wifi chip or option for a drop in SBC.
The development time could be cut by half at least. ::) :'
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: ceedee on September 17, 2018, 04:23:23 PM
It annoys me that they still call it "dusk/dawn".
 Legacy nomenclature, I guess.

As I've mentioned before, having the product meet the spec sheet is not fixing bugs. It's following thru on a commitment. Legal folks call it "merchantability."  Consumers should expect a product to to what the spec says it should do.

A "pro?". Really?
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 17, 2018, 04:59:21 PM
It annoys me that they still call it "dusk/dawn".
what they call it makes no difference to me as long as it works, the offsets make up for the difference.
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As I've mentioned before, having the product meet the spec sheet is not fixing bugs. It's following thru on a commitment. Legal folks call it "merchantability."  Consumers should expect a product to to what the spec says it should do.
exactly I call it false advertising.
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A "pro?". Really?
Yep, however this had always been Authinxs intention expanding to all 256 possible house code unit code combinations and RF ability.
A Pro Unit is what Authinx original intended for "Power users" what ever that is  :o My guess is its anyone that uses more the 3 house codes and RF, however I hope that is not where the "Power user" idea stops. ::) :'
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: ceedee on September 17, 2018, 05:09:21 PM
One of my mentors used to say, "Set modest goals, and achieve them!". Yup.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: ceedee on September 17, 2018, 05:13:42 PM
Tuicemen,
Does the sync fix mean I can get a log file on my iPad?  Will Android syncing be fixed too?
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 17, 2018, 05:25:15 PM
Tuicemen,
Does the sync fix mean I can get a log file on my iPad?  Will Android syncing be fixed too?
I wish I could say a definite Yes, but I never got a chance to test this upcoming update. :(

To be honest after the last update boondoggle I wouldn't expect much. I just hope I'm wrong on that point. ;)
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: ceedee on September 17, 2018, 05:34:14 PM
Iím still using my iphone 5 running iOS 10 to read the log!
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: dave w on September 17, 2018, 05:45:19 PM
always been Authinxs intention expanding to all 256 possible house code unit code combinations and RF ability.
A Pro Unit is what Authinx original intended for "Power users" what ever that is  :o My guess is its anyone that uses more the 3 house codes and RF,
Yeah, that would be good. Add conditional logic, Alexa connectivity, "New and Improved" AHP, Android and iOS apps where you can actually see the device names and we'd have a winner. That's probably too "pie in the sky". Besides I fear I will be in the ground or at least in a wheel chair wearing Depends and eating cream of wheat, by the time that gets here. <grin>
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 17, 2018, 05:50:24 PM
 rofl
Sadly we will never see a revised or updated AHP :( to much of the code is just too old or lost and the factory has no one left that has any idea of the cm15a internal workings.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: JeffVolp on September 17, 2018, 06:10:12 PM
If the hardware can't do what is being asked now there is no need for Authinx to have the protocol, this is a dead end device.

I wonder if the daughter board with all the horsepower and memory is strictly the WiFi interface, and the actual X10 control is being done by one of the 14 pin chips on the main board.

Jeff
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: petera on September 17, 2018, 06:33:26 PM
Maybe at this stage it would be worth someone's while sacrificing a unit to hack and see exactly what's going on under the hood.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tucson on September 17, 2018, 06:55:51 PM

-Fixed syncing issues between the WM100 and some iphones/ipads
-Added non-DST options to Dusk/Dawn Timers
-Increased Dawn/Dusk offsets to 5 minute increments (up to a max of 90 minutes)
I suspect this means the offsets will all be in 5 min increments
 >!

I would be happy if they deliver and update with no new problem and the above fixed. Yes, Iím disappointed to hear that this product with such great potential might not be developed. But it would get me back to a working configuration I had before all the updates(iOS and firmware)
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 17, 2018, 07:03:01 PM
I wonder if the daughter board with all the horsepower and memory is strictly the WiFi interface, and the actual X10 control is being done by one of the 14 pin chips on the main board.

Jeff
since the WM100 main board was original a modified PAT03 I would suspect this is the case and the wi-fi daughter board simply replaces the RF receiver with some extras.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: JeffVolp on September 17, 2018, 07:11:59 PM
since the WM100 main board was original a modified PAT03 I would suspect this is the case and the wi-fi daughter board simply replaces the RF receiver with some extras.

Wow, that would be unfortunate.  It explains the limitations with the current WM100.

I pulled the WiFi daughter board, and there are two 14-pin chips on the main board.  One is totally blank with no part number, and the other is underneath the power module.  That is soldered down, so I could't see a part number.

Jeff
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Knightrider on September 17, 2018, 07:12:46 PM
****** I've know DaveW for 11 years. He's been talking about those Depends the whole time. Think he figured he'd need them by this year all ready. It may be another 20 years before he actually does. (Try not to spit coffee through your nose)********
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 17, 2018, 07:23:44 PM

Wow, that would be unfortunate.  It explains the limitations with the current WM100.

I pulled the WiFi daughter board, and there are two 14-pin chips on the main board.  One is totally blank with no part number, and the other is underneath the power module.  That is soldered down, so I couldn't see a part number.

Jeff
It could have been worse they could have used a TM751.
I also pulled the wi-fi daughter board from the newest WM100 build as there were obvious signs of a layout change I suspected maybe the chip with no makings would have something. It still doesn't however one of the chips has changed to a smaller one with a different identification #
About the only thing still the same is the daughter board ::) :' and who know what else the factory is going to change before the year is done B:(
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Brian H on September 17, 2018, 07:28:12 PM
I find it interesting. That the WM100 has an FCC ID number on it {Photo of back shows it on the X10 site} but as of yesterday it is not in the database.
Even if they chose everything Confidential. It should still be listed with the owners name and tested frequencies.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 17, 2018, 07:53:54 PM
I find it interesting. That the WM100 has an FCC ID number on it {Photo of back shows it on the X10 site} but as of yesterday it is not in the database.
Even if they chose everything Confidential. It should still be listed with the owners name and tested frequencies.

Interestingly I compared  the FCC# on my old WM with the newest one it isn't the same. This appears to have changed since the original release as the FCC number is a extra sticker placed overtop the original sticker and states "contains FCC ID:  2AC7Z-ESPWROOM02"  :o
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: dave w on September 17, 2018, 08:14:05 PM
Maybe at this stage it would be worth someone's while sacrificing a unit to hack and see exactly what's going on under the hood.
I have two Willy's (I mean WM100s) but mainly use only one, so will sacrifice one for the good of the group. Needs to go to someone who can really analyze it.   -:) Just tell me where to send it (Jeff? Dave? Tuice? Petera? etc.).
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: dhouston on September 17, 2018, 08:15:11 PM
2AC7Z-ESPWROOM02
https://www.espressif.com/en/products/hardware/esp-wroom-02/overview (https://www.espressif.com/en/products/hardware/esp-wroom-02/overview)
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: dhouston on September 17, 2018, 08:18:47 PM
I wonder if the daughter board with all the horsepower and memory is strictly the WiFi interface, and the actual X10 control is being done by one of the 14 pin chips on the main board.

Perhaps someone could put a scope on the connections between daughter board and main board.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: dave w on September 17, 2018, 08:21:31 PM
****** I've know DaveW for 11 years. He's been talking about those Depends the whole time. Think he figured he'd need them by this year all ready. It may be another 20 years before he actually does. (Try not to spit coffee through your nose)********
Not coffee, but a fine chianti. Burns a lot but is probably a good sinus flush.  Depends? no, not yet.  But I do enjoy cream of wheat. <wink>
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: dhouston on September 17, 2018, 08:27:12 PM
I find it interesting. That the WM100 has an FCC ID number on it {Photo of back shows it on the X10 site} but as of yesterday it is not in the database.
Even if they chose everything Confidential. It should still be listed with the owners name and tested frequencies.

Interestingly I compared  the FCC# on my old WM with the newest one it isn't the same. This appears to have changed since the original release as the FCC number is a extra sticker placed overtop the original sticker and states "contains FCC ID:  2AC7Z-ESPWROOM02"  :o

The one you labelled #1 in this thread...
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=30287.msg175867#msg175867 (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=30287.msg175867#msg175867)
used a totally different (non-Espessif?) WiFi module.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: dhouston on September 17, 2018, 08:30:15 PM
fine chianti

The very definition of oxymoron.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: petera on September 17, 2018, 08:35:26 PM
With the latest announcement of additional trade tariffs it might be worth the owner identifying an alternative manufacturing location. As if he hasn't got enough to worry about. Or possibly walk away and cut his losses.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Noam on September 18, 2018, 09:53:42 AM
Maybe at this stage it would be worth someone's while sacrificing a unit to hack and see exactly what's going on under the hood.

With the latest announcement of additional trade tariffs it might be worth the owner identifying an alternative manufacturing location. As if he hasn't got enough to worry about. Or possibly walk away and cut his losses.

At this stage, it looks pretty clear to me that this product will never be what Authinx had hoped (and paid) for, and it doesn't look like the overseas developer/manufacturer has any desire to make good on their contract (and the cost of trying to force them too is probably not worth it, either). I think they should either stop selling it immediately, or change the specs to reflect what it can *actually* do (and probably lower the price), and at least try to recoup some of their investment. Given that there are customers who paid for a product that can't meet it's advertized functions, Authinx might also start to face pushback from customers who want to return their unit for a refund, too.

With all that said, if there are members of the community who think they could reverse-engineer the design, it woulndn't hurt Authinx to offer them free units to play with (probably singing an agreement to share everything with Authinx, and not with anyone else - at least initially).

Alternatively, given the combined brainpower this community has - and given all the work already done with the Raspberry Pi (and others), maybe a simpler interface really *is* a better solution - one that is set up to pop in a Pi Zero (bonus points if it can take a larger-format Pi, too).

Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: petera on September 18, 2018, 10:50:45 AM
@Noam reading your post again got me asking the question.....What exactly did Authinx actually buy. I assumed they bought the rights to something but I'm a little puzzled what. If I found myself in their situation I would relocate the development of the product to my hometown where I could keep a close eye on it.

From that point on as soon as I had my prototype developed and ready for mass production I could then engage the services of a factory of my choice (in this case China) and oversee the project at start up or nominate my representative to oversee quality control. It's something I've done with a product in a completely unrelated area and done it successfully.

I'm at a loss to understand what is causing the breakdown in communication between Authinx, the developer and the factory. It appears that Authinx have handed the whole project over to the developer/manufacturer in the hope that they will come up with the goods. That clearly hasn't happened.

There is an alternative that could be hooked up with any X10 controller and solve the majority of the X10 users woes. You have identified it in the shape of the Raspberry Pi. Yes some work will be required to get the novice user up and running but it has to be determined who falls into what category. Once the initial configuration has been achieved it should be very straightforward for the novice user to make progress.

This option had to be quicker and more efficient than waiting and hoping for Authinx to solve its problems.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: JeffVolp on September 18, 2018, 11:54:11 AM
I'm at a loss to understand what is causing the breakdown in communication between Authinx, the developer and the factory. It appears that Authinx have handed the whole project over to the developer/manufacturer in the hope that they will come up with the goods. That clearly hasn't happened.

I believe that to be the case.  Several years ago I proposed Authinx take over production of the XTB-IIR and XTB-ANR.  I sent them samples and the schematics, which were forwarded to the factory.  Eventually the response was that the factory was already manufacturing a repeater and a noise reducer, so nothing happened.

Then back in May there was a post from someone having trouble using a 2-wire wall switch with a LED bulb.  No neutral was available.  Since this is a fairly common problem with existing X10 installations, I developed an active shunt that emulates an incandescent lamp when the switch is off to provide a path for switch power and signal return.  Unlike a resistor, it consumes very little power.  The dimmable CFL and LED bulbs I tested worked fine down to a dull glow.  In one beta installation it even eliminated a noise problem when the switch was on because it conducts during the beginning of the AC waveform.

Again, I provided samples, a schematic, and even a surface-mount layout, which were sent to the factory in China.  I took this from concept to working prototypes in several weeks, but months have past since then, and nothing further has happened.

Jeff

Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 18, 2018, 12:48:28 PM
I find it interesting. That the WM100 has an FCC ID number on it {Photo of back shows it on the X10 site} but as of yesterday it is not in the database.
Even if they chose everything Confidential. It should still be listed with the owners name and tested frequencies.

Interestingly I compared  the FCC# on my old WM with the newest one it isn't the same. This appears to have changed since the original release as the FCC number is a extra sticker placed overtop the original sticker and states "contains FCC ID:  2AC7Z-ESPWROOM02"  :o
The one you labelled #1 in this thread...
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=30287.msg175867#msg175867 (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=30287.msg175867#msg175867)
used a totally different (non-Espessif?) WiFi module.
#1 was the original Wm100 Just as it was about to go into production that chip was discontinued thus causing another delay and the reason for the current chip.
2AC7Z-ESPWROOM02
https://www.espressif.com/en/products/hardware/esp-wroom-02/overview (https://www.espressif.com/en/products/hardware/esp-wroom-02/overview)
Good find there seems to be lots of documentation on the chip. maybe a means of flashing it is buried in the documentation. ::) :'
I wonder if the daughter board with all the horsepower and memory is strictly the WiFi interface, and the actual X10 control is being done by one of the 14 pin chips on the main board.

Perhaps someone could put a scope on the connections between daughter board and main board.

Wish I had one to play with. If the Wifi chip is only doing the the wifi stuff it would be interesting to see what is actually being passed to the Main board
 X10 RF codes?
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: petera on September 18, 2018, 03:15:20 PM
I'm at a loss to understand what is causing the breakdown in communication between Authinx, the developer and the factory. It appears that Authinx have handed the whole project over to the developer/manufacturer in the hope that they will come up with the goods. That clearly hasn't happened.

I believe that to be the case.  Several years ago I proposed Authinx take over production of the XTB-IIR and XTB-ANR.  I sent them samples and the schematics, which were forwarded to the factory.  Eventually the response was that the factory was already manufacturing a repeater and a noise reducer, so nothing happened.

Then back in May there was a post from someone having trouble using a 2-wire wall switch with a LED bulb.  No neutral was available.  Since this is a fairly common problem with existing X10 installations, I developed an active shunt that emulates an incandescent lamp when the switch is off to provide a path for switch power and signal return.  Unlike a resistor, it consumes very little power.  The dimmable CFL and LED bulbs I tested worked fine down to a dull glow.  In one beta installation it even eliminated a noise problem when the switch was on because it conducts during the beginning of the AC waveform.

Again, I provided samples, a schematic, and even a surface-mount layout, which were sent to the factory in China.  I took this from concept to working prototypes in several weeks, but months have past since then, and nothing further has happened.

Jeff

That's provided a little clarification.

Seems they choose not to listen to those who know how. They've gone on a solo run in the hope that they will produce something that people might be interested in. Doesn't sound like good business sense to me.

If as previously mentioned they concentrated on the hardware, shifted units and left the firmware/software to users they just might survive. Clearly they're not interested in this concept though.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: dhouston on September 18, 2018, 03:29:55 PM
2AC7Z-ESPWROOM02
https://www.espressif.com/en/products/hardware/esp-wroom-02/overview (https://www.espressif.com/en/products/hardware/esp-wroom-02/overview)
Good find there seems to be lots of documentation on the chip. maybe a means of flashing it is buried in the documentation. ::) :'

It's just an ESP8266 plus 2MB flash. There are a number of options for programming it such as Arduino IDE. I'd prefer this D1 Mini Pro with 16MB flash, an optional external antenna, plus a USB-Serial adapter with virtual com port drivers.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077VMG7Z2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B077VMG7Z2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 18, 2018, 04:37:32 PM
 The New Android app is available now at least!:)%.
This also requires a firmware upgrade which took me from 0.0.24 to 0.0.26 the firmware was required to handled the new options for DST I'm told.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: dave w on September 18, 2018, 04:46:42 PM
The very definition of oxymoron.
rofl
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: dhouston on September 18, 2018, 05:40:59 PM
The very definition of oxymoron.
rofl
Even Wikipedia agrees. The second sentence in their Chianti entry says...
Quote
It was historically associated with a squat bottle enclosed in a straw basket, called a fiasco
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chianti (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chianti)

nuff sed!  ;D

Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: dave w on September 18, 2018, 06:15:28 PM
I developed an active shunt that emulates an incandescent lamp when the switch is off to provide a path for switch power and signal return.  Unlike a resistor, it consumes very little power. 
Where is this installed? At the fixture I assume. Are you selling them?
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: ceedee on September 18, 2018, 06:28:40 PM
Reading history file is still broken on .26 firmware and android 2.0.10 app.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: ceedee on September 18, 2018, 06:33:28 PM
Itís turning into a huge sh** show. All my existing dusk timers have the "non-DST" setting enabled. When I disable it, and attempt to save the info, I get this:

The APP failed to add the device. Please make sure the device is plugged in and retry setup.

Seriously?
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Knightrider on September 18, 2018, 07:32:23 PM
I can't even find the "non dst" setting on mine.

I have this on multiple devices and on reset one. This has caused a major anomaly.  I believe two files exist in the unit itself.

I really need to clean house and reconfigure everything, but smashing the unit with a hammer would be less trouble.

Why we're on it, will someone explain the 32 device limit? I still see no logic other than the x10 chip doesn't have the memory space. I had 10 scenes and probably 64 timers, maybe more. 6 rooms.

So why only 32 devices?

This thing is a huge headache for no more than what it is and may get tossed in the bin with the VCR commander's and the cm17s and 19s.

Not ready for prime time. If the next unit (the pro unit) costs more than thr current one, the cm15/pi will kill it.

I just can't recommend this toy to anyone.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: ceedee on September 18, 2018, 07:37:49 PM
It shows up on the updated android app and .26 firmware.
Title: Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
Post by: Tuicemen on September 18, 2018, 08:10:01 PM
I had to delete the app from my phone then reinstall it to get the newest update working and to even see all the 5 min offsets.
delete and reinstall is getting to be a regular thing here >*<