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General Category => General Discussion => X10 Product Wish List => Topic started by: Wii505 on June 16, 2018, 08:23:50 AM

Title: Garage Door Opener(s) Integration.
Post by: Wii505 on June 16, 2018, 08:23:50 AM
Back in the day Stanley (now merged with Black & Decker and DeWalt tools back in 2010) had some x10 Modules that would make integrating (a) Garage Door Opener(s) into a x10 System easier then it is with the PUM01 Universal Module. Personally, I think it would be cool to have a new take on the old Stanley Garage Door Status Transmitter and Garage Door Open Indicator (and yes that is what they the modules.) But what do you guy think about this idea? I would like to hear your feedback.
Title: Re: Garage Door Opener(s) Integration.
Post by: dave w on June 16, 2018, 09:57:54 AM
https://www.smarthome.com/insteon-74551-garage-door-control-status-kit.html
This still has X10 capabilities.
Title: Re: Garage Door Opener(s) Integration.
Post by: Brian H on June 16, 2018, 10:32:54 AM
It may depend on the opener controls and opener mechanism.

Many of the latest openers send data and power. To the controller and opener mechanism on the wire pair between them.
You put a PUM01, PF284 or the 2450 I/OLinc across the the wire pair. To simulate a manual push button. It frequently resulted in the console power resetting and it clock display reset. So it may have to simulate the controllers data commands.
Title: Re: Garage Door Opener(s) Integration.
Post by: Wii505 on June 16, 2018, 11:22:11 AM
Ya, you do bring up a good point Brian H and to go along with it, I've seen a video with a guy that show that exact problem. Also dave w, this is what I was talking about https:// ebay.to /2lci7Uq
Title: Re: Garage Door Opener(s) Integration.
Post by: HA Dave on June 16, 2018, 12:09:55 PM
….. I think it would be cool to have a new take on the old Stanley Garage Door Status Transmitter and Garage Door Open Indicator

But what do you guy think about this idea?

When my old LiftMaster garage door opener died.... I replaced it with a Chamberlain  myQ Garage door opener (https://www.chamberlain.com/smartphone-control-products). It works GREAT. TOTALLY intergraded with all my home automation… either by the use of phone apps (my phones are the remotes) or through my Amazon-cloud setup.

I get great phone notices every time the door raises or lowers... and special notice if it is left open too long. It can even be set to close itself, of course. And operated from anywhere in the world. I even have an app that allows me to view the garage camera.


You can even add existing setups to myQ. https://www.chamberlain.com/smartphone-control-products/smartphone-connectivity/myq-smart-garage-hub
Title: Re: Garage Door Opener(s) Integration.
Post by: brobin on June 16, 2018, 12:27:53 PM
I have the LiftMaster MyQ and it works great.  The LiftMaster & Chamberlain products are virtually identical with LiftMaster being the line sold by pro installers/builders and Chamberlain being sold for DIY.  All the accessories are compatible across the line which is also sold under the Sears Craftsman brand. 

Dave, Now that you've got a new opener, consider using the Chamberlain CLSS1 System Surge Protector or LiftMaster LM990 (same product different box) to protect your investment. The circuit boards in these openers aren't cheap!  The protectors also connect to the button and sensor wires as they can pick up destructive charges.  You can find them on ebay and Walmart for under $20.
 
Title: Re: Garage Door Opener(s) Integration.
Post by: HA Dave on June 16, 2018, 03:28:26 PM
I have the LiftMaster MyQ and it works great.  The LiftMaster & Chamberlain products are virtually identical with LiftMaster being the line sold by pro installers/builders and Chamberlain being sold for DIY. ...…

Yep. Being arthritic... I generally choose NOT to do over-head work... as that is particularly painful for me. But for the price of a regular (installed) LiftMaster…. I could install the myQ chamberlain unit with all the automated bells and whistles, myself. So... I installed the cool chamberlain unit myself... and suffered a bit (flat on my back) afterwards. For me.... it was worth the pain.

Now that you've got a new opener, consider using the Chamberlain CLSS1 System Surge Protector or LiftMaster LM990 (same product different box) to protect your investment. The circuit boards in these openers aren't cheap!  The protectors also connect to the button and sensor wires as they can pick up destructive charges.  You can find them on ebay and Walmart for under $20.

Great idea! I think I'll do that.
Title: Re: Garage Door Opener(s) Integration.
Post by: Wii505 on June 17, 2018, 02:08:52 AM
The myQ System seems like a good idea, except the price is more then I'm reeling to pay at this time. But dose it work with x10, because I'm wanting something that dose?
Title: Re: Garage Door Opener(s) Integration.
Post by: HA Dave on June 17, 2018, 05:10:59 AM
The myQ System seems like a good idea, except the price is more then I'm reeling to pay at this time.

I understand.... price is always an issue for me. But myQ does have an add-on unit (I already linked to) that works with existing door openers.
 
You can even add existing setups to myQ. https://www.chamberlain.com/smartphone-control-products/smartphone-connectivity/myq-smart-garage-hub (https://www.chamberlain.com/smartphone-control-products/smartphone-connectivity/myq-smart-garage-hub)


But dose it work with x10, because I'm wanting something that dose?

I am not sure I understand the question. myQ does NOT receive X10 RF or PLC's... if that is what you mean. But then again... X10 is NOT a secure technology... maybe NOT what you want to control a garage door.

BOTH X10 (when using the new WM-100 module) and myQ use WiFi app-based controllers...…... so the same phone(s) that controls and monitors my X10 also controls and monitors my garage door. Also my home-based X10 garage door macro (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=14721.msg81860#msg81860) still works. I've also used Homeseer to integrate my X10 system to work with Amazon's AI voice and cloud control. There are ways to do that OTHER than Homeseer (all mentioned here in various threads at the forum).

If desired.... I think most of these systems integrate now-a-days. And WiFi routers do NOT interfere with X10 RF or PLC. Nor does X10 interfere with routers either. I am using X10's WM-100, two each CM15A's, the Homeseer Hometroller (a Raspberry Pi based unit), the myQ server and Chamberlain opener, a Wink Hub, an X10 IR to PLC converter (IR-543), and three Amazon Alexa devices. They all work with X10 just fine.

Everything I own is either AI controlled using the cloud or home based computer and Internet (the Raspberry Pi), automated using the CM15A, controlled via voice control, the remote control functions of my phone apps (X10 as well as myQ), or by a fob on my keychain.
Title: Re: Garage Door Opener(s) Integration.
Post by: Tuicemen on June 17, 2018, 06:00:29 AM
Most modern automated devices can be made to work with X10.
If there is a API available a software solution can be created to control it.
MyQ has several parteners which can be made to control X10 or x10 comunicate to.

IFTTT is one example of where you could make X10 control your door opener though a subscription is required after a trial period.
Title: Re: Garage Door Opener(s) Integration.
Post by: HA Dave on June 17, 2018, 09:25:55 AM
IFTTT is one example of where you could make X10 control your door opener though a subscription is required after a trial period.


MyQ can be controlled through Wink, and via Amazon's Alexa. Any X10 setup compatible with the cloud should be easily controlled with an X10 input. I have X10 (homeseer) actions that work in conjunction with other Wink actions... via the Amazon Alexa app... and they work fine.

I have the option to setup myQ to open/close the garage door using a voice command through Alexa. I might even be able to use the mobile app and my iPhone to open the garage door through my cars speaker/microphone system. I am not sure how secure that would be... or how useful it would be for me.
Title: Re: Garage Door Opener(s) Integration.
Post by: brobin on June 17, 2018, 12:27:12 PM
I have the LiftMaster MyQ and it works great.  The LiftMaster & Chamberlain products are virtually identical with LiftMaster being the line sold by pro installers/builders and Chamberlain being sold for DIY. ...…

Yep. Being arthritic... I generally choose NOT to do over-head work... as that is particularly painful for me. But for the price of a regular (installed) LiftMaster…. I could install the myQ chamberlain unit with all the automated bells and whistles, myself. So... I installed the cool chamberlain unit myself... and suffered a bit (flat on my back) afterwards. For me.... it was worth the pain.

Now that you've got a new opener, consider using the Chamberlain CLSS1 System Surge Protector or LiftMaster LM990 (same product different box) to protect your investment. The circuit boards in these openers aren't cheap!  The protectors also connect to the button and sensor wires as they can pick up destructive charges.  You can find them on ebay and Walmart for under $20.

Great idea! I think I'll do that.

BTW, If you install the 990LM or CLSS1 save the receipt!  If your opener fails from a transient voltage/surge/spike within 5 years they'll give you a new opener.
Title: Re: Garage Door Opener(s) Integration.
Post by: originalevil on June 21, 2018, 02:51:44 PM
IFTTT is one example of where you could make X10 control your door opener though a subscription is required after a trial period.


MyQ can be controlled through Wink, and via Amazon's Alexa. Any X10 setup compatible with the cloud should be easily controlled with an X10 input. I have X10 (homeseer) actions that work in conjunction with other Wink actions... via the Amazon Alexa app... and they work fine.

I have the option to setup myQ to open/close the garage door using a voice command through Alexa. I might even be able to use the mobile app and my iPhone to open the garage door through my cars speaker/microphone system. I am not sure how secure that would be... or how useful it would be for me.

Hi HA Dave, it's been a few years!!!

Does MyQ with the Smart Garage Hub require a subscription for you to use with Wink and Alexa? I've been using Liftmaster's MyQ app with the bridge for my opener and in order to integrate it with Alexa, I'll need to use IFTTT. Liftmaster charges $10 per month for that.

I'm thinking of putting a couple of low voltage controllers in line between the light and the opener to bypass that.
Title: Re: Garage Door Opener(s) Integration.
Post by: HA Dave on June 21, 2018, 03:26:00 PM

Hi HA Dave, it's been a few years!!!

Does MyQ with the Smart Garage Hub require a subscription for you to use with Wink and Alexa? I've been using Liftmaster's MyQ app with the bridge for my opener and in order to integrate it with Alexa, I'll need to use IFTTT. Liftmaster charges $10 per month for that.…..

I don't use IFTTT, I pay no user fees.

Nest... which is partnered with myQ... is also Wink compatible. Wink has a skill that works with Alexa. But I don't "voice control" my garage door. Having a garage door that anyone could open (by yelling in a window)…. just doesn't sound secure. I don't know which Hubs control which protocols. I had researched that at one time... but I made my decisions and moved on. A little Google searching should be productive.
Title: Re: Garage Door Opener(s) Integration.
Post by: originalevil on June 21, 2018, 03:36:45 PM
A little Google searching should be productive.

Thanks, won't ask for your personal experience again.
Title: Re: Garage Door Opener(s) Integration.
Post by: HA Dave on June 21, 2018, 03:39:00 PM
Thanks, won't ask for your personal experience again.

Ask anything. I was tasking my memory.... went through my apps. I know this stuff is not static. I just didn't want to post bad info.
Title: Re: Garage Door Opener(s) Integration.
Post by: originalevil on June 21, 2018, 03:42:11 PM
No problem. Spent a lot of time Googling, prefer the knowledge of people who have been there, done that (you been there, you done that, in most things I've got in mind)
Title: Re: Garage Door Opener(s) Integration.
Post by: HA Dave on June 21, 2018, 05:03:05 PM
I love the myQ, hardware and software. I like their app. The app alone has saved me several times... where I would have circled back to make sure I closed the door. I've also used the myQ app to open the garage door so my step-daughter could drop something off.... while we were away from the house. Of course.... my camera setup is also on a phone app... and I have a camera in the garage as well.

I used to use a voice alert when the garage door was open. More than a decade ago I used Bill's Voice Commander.... for voice control and alerts. Now I depend on the ding/chime that myQ selected for me. But if [the garage door is] left open I also get an email on my phone with a unique sound. There is also options for automatic closing... etc..

I am now controlling my setup with a Homeseer, Hometroller. Two CM15A's, the new X10 WM-100, the myQ server, the Wink (1st gen) Hub, and 3 Alexa devices, and 9 different apps on my iphone. I use two different brands of Apple/ihome compatible Wifi plug-in devices, one Cree WiFi bulb, and numerous X10 modules, switches, and other devices.

Everthing all seem to like each other.... and they all play well together.
 
Deciding to abandon a CM15A controlled by a Microsoft PC (and BVC) setup...…. and switch to a Homeseer Pi unit, and cloud/phone based setup.... wasn't exactly easy. But.... it was either keep exactly what I had with NO CHANCE of improvement or growth... or take a leap of faith. I am happy I went with AI. I am confident this is the direction that Home Automation is headed.
Title: Re: Garage Door Opener(s) Integration.
Post by: dave w on July 22, 2018, 02:45:38 PM
FWIW
I'm using X10 to monitor the status of the garage door, and lower the door if open. (if door is up, an X10 code is shown as ON. If door is down the X10 code is OFF).
X10 also controls the garage door operator, but can only lower the door. When the door is down a second mag switch on the door opens the circuit to the door operator. I was using a PSC01 "Powerflash Module" for the door status and a UM506 "Universal Module" for door operator control. Now use the Smarthome "I/O Link" module for both functions. Since X10 really has no security in the sense of encryption or passwords I would highly recommend using a second mag switch to prevent the Universal Module from opening the door. $0.02
Title: Re: Garage Door Opener(s) Integration.
Post by: HA Dave on July 23, 2018, 08:34:12 AM
For years I would get my [computer generated] voice reminders telling me my garage door was open (or had just closed)…. as long as I was in the home. Because the warning was dependent on my hardwired home speakers. And HONESTLY.... 99% of the time the garage door has been left open both my wife and I was home at the time.

But in the spring I shut-down the X10, PC-based, BVC-software controlled voice alerts. And I do miss my Kate-16 computer voice. But now all my alerts are phone and tablet based chimes and such (I wish there was a better way-app that would allow better phone alerts).

But two weeks ago while having dinner with the step-daughter and her family (we had been sitting the kids earlier)… my phone chimed a 15 minute garage door reminder (with a banner). I opened my security camera app... to see for myself... if I had actually forgotten to close the garage door. I had. So... as we chatted before dinner I closed the door using my MyQ app.... and watched it close on my security camera app. There is real value in those apps and products.