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📱X10 WIFI => 🗯General Discussion => Topic started by: ekraus on June 27, 2018, 01:17:02 AM
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The WM100 will surely fail if the developer doesn't get his or her act together. It could be a great product for X10 hardware.
I may leave it in for remote commands but i have 2 palm remotes so really don't need it. I have been testing the SONOFF hardware using stringfi and IFTTT.
I really only have one dimable light left but can live with ON/OFF. The SONOFF hardware works OK, I have even modified a 433Mhz remote makeing
it into a wall switch. If the WM100 doesn't have some kind of burst feature then it probably won't work for me. With my 1132CU I send the commands 3 times 2 seconds apart. It works for me.
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The Sonoff hardware has been solid for me. Unfortunately their software has also been slow to develop ( maybe that is a China thing) I ended up flashing the safe voltage module just to get local control and Alexa integration. They now have a skill available but last time I tried local control it still wasn't available in their app. I do like the new looping timer option.
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I thought about flashing the sonoff modules. But I don't want to write any code anymore. Been there done that.
I have to rely on the younger generation to do it. + at least sonoff is gaining popularity. Its tough enough using ewlink with IFTTT and Stringfi.
But the stuff works. I also like WIFI. I think its the way to go. Unfortunately there are to many different technologies available to smarten up your home.
Which one do you pick, do you co mingle? I gave up years ago when the blasted out Insteon. I was a dealer and the hardware was less then stellar.
It was pain to implement and the modules were junk. I must have returned 20 for warranty. Still have some that burned out years ago. I almost became a Control4 dealer, the stuff was great,But expensive. I think X10 is great with the extended protocol.
But for reliability the software has to be written to use that. And you need 2way modules. Its simple but doesn't seem to rocket science. Issue and ON command then send out a status request. If it comes back Status is off send the On command again. Simple loops would make the whole system more reliable. I still think WIFI is the way to go. And Sonoff got it right with the addition of 433MHz.
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You really have to mix protocols to get everything you want in HA although Sonoff continues to develop boards for different purposes.
I used a already available firmware (there are a few available) to flash to my Sonoff as I too didn't wish to create my own.
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Unfortunately their software has also been slow to develop ( maybe that is a China thing)
I'm starting to believe that is the case. I've been looking at an inexpensive solder reflow oven. Apparently the firmware that runs it is junk, and someone has written their own version. Many of the reviews say that it is a good unit after the mod.
I'm afraid the WM100 will not reach its potential if Authinx continues to allow China to dictate how its software evolves.
Jeff
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I know there are several firmware's available, but which one to use.
I agree that you have to co mingle Protocols to get everything you want.
But I gave up on the idea of a total smarthome. Just think
Alarm, Cameras, Power Control, Temperature control, wifi locks, etc. And not one control system or interface does them all.
Its bad enough where you buy a product like Harmony Remote. Load it up and still have to use one of
the dedicated remotes to get the device to work. I went from 5 remotes to 1. And look at my couch,
5 remotes. Or you have to get up and fish out the one you need. Alexa and Google may be the saving grace but I doubt it.
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Jeff
You got it. China!
Its to bad the WM100 isn't open source.
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OK I am done with it.
C6 ON and OFF
Here is what my monitor got when I was in that app.
R: A6 - 1:22:59 PM 6/28/2018
R: A6 - 1:23:08 PM 6/28/2018
R: C6 - 1:23:35 PM 6/28/2018
R: A6 - 1:23:41 PM 6/28/2018
Here is what my monitor got when I used the palm remote.
R: C6 - 1:25:16 PM 6/28/2018
R: COn - 1:25:16 PM 6/28/2018
R: C6 - 1:25:19 PM 6/28/2018
R: COff - 1:25:19 PM 6/28/2018
When I pulled the data off the WM100 it showed it transmitted the C6 ON/OFF commands.
Although the light never came on or off. With the palm remote the light functions properly.
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Something isn't right there ask Authinx for a replacement or your money back.
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I sent them an email with the data in it lets see what happens.
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I'm afraid the WM100 will not reach its potential if Authinx continues to allow China to dictate how its software evolves.
Jeff
I agree. Based on the responsiveness Authinx is currently getting, they should try and divorce the software from the hardware supplier.
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So I got a response from them. I got this funny feeling that I am not going to be using the WM100
I'll share what they said. You would think they would be a little more concerned. I already cleared the unit a couple of times.
Hi Evan,
I'm sorry you are having issues with your WM100.
We have an update coming out next week regarding the Dusk/Dawn issues some people have been experiencing.
We have not received any other complaints regarding timers not working or the unit sending different commands than what was intended.
It may be possible that your unit is faulty or has some sort of bug. You can try to manually clear the bug by performing a factory reset on the unit by holding down the Sync button on the WM100 for around 15 seconds (you will see a series of LED blinks). In the app, you will need to go to settings and reset to factory settings as well in order to re-enter setup.
If this does not clear your issues, please let us know and we can work on getting a replacement unit sent.
Thanks,
X10 Support
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I'm afraid the WM100 will not reach its potential if Authinx continues to allow China to dictate how its software evolves.
Jeff
I agree. Based on the responsiveness Authinx is currently getting, they should try and divorce the software from the hardware supplier.
I noted earlier that it seems they are locked into the hardware/software supplier(s) associated with X10WTI. If so, they may suffer the same fate.
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I noted earlier that it seems they are locked into the hardware/software supplier(s) associated with X10WTI. If so, they may suffer the same fate.
Bingo!
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Being watching these posts on the WM100 unfold over the last while purely from a passing interest. The unit would be of no use to me (outside the US) but I have to say the situation seems to be going from bad to worse.
Between the delays on delivery dates, faulty firmware/software and many promises on substance but few on delivery, I for one would cash my chips in and return the unit for a refund before the stampede begins.
The developer/manufacturer clearly is way out of their depth here and I fear he/she may bitten off more than they can chew. What amazed me was their forward order book which any producer would bite your hand off in the current economic climate. Surely this alone would have prompted them to have a usable product to deliver. It clearly appears that this is not the case. What they do seem to have are excuses in limitless supply.
There are many alternatives out there to the legacy software AHP that will work quite comfortably with the X10 and the CM15 and in many cases have now surpassed its functionality. This has been demonstrated by Tuicemen and many others working with single board computers like the Raspberry Pi Zero and the relevant HA software.
Folks, I fear this little baby, the WM100 will end up being thrown out with the bath water. No doubt I'll be flamed by some for saying this but the evidence is mounting up against the WM100 if these post are anything to go by. Of course the court of public opinion will pass their own judgement, the buying public.
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Folks, I fear this little baby, the WM100 will end up being thrown out with the bath water.
That may be more apropos than you know. The hardware is outstanding - it's the software/firmware that is problematic. Were they to release an API the WM100 could be an overwhelming success.
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Folks, I fear this little baby, the WM100 will end up being thrown out with the bath water.
That may be more apropos than you know. The hardware is outstanding - it's the software/firmware that is problematic. Were they to release an API the WM100 could be an overwhelming success.
Do they have to go under before they do that. Seems bizarre that the hardware is outstanding yet it's starting to act like a door jam. What have they got to lose at this stage by releasing an API. A lot if they don't by the sounds of it. B:(
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petera You certainly won't get flamed by me.
Here is what I have.
2 - 1132CU one works OK. The Other one is new (well unused until I started using it a couple of weeks ago)
1 - CM11A (Kinda works)
1 - 1132B
2 - 1132U
1 - 2414U
And I think a couple more somewhere.
Lots of old X10 modules, switches. Insteon hardware.
And at one time I had just about any software written for those devices. But I cant find it.
I thought about buying a CM15 but then the WM100 popped up.
So the WM100 looked like a fresh start for x10 control.
Based on what I see, I threw out another $100 bucks on this technology.
One other thing I cant believe that there isn't a site where all the legacy x10 software can be uploaded and down loaded.
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X10 WTI hosted that software on dedicated servers. When they filed bankruptcy, those servers were shut down and transported to their new location, however they were damaged in transit and much of the data was lost.
Authinx has been attempting to retrieve that data and make it available to users however since it has been several years now I suspect all that data is lost. B:(
Some software like AHP was made backward compatible with some older X10 controllers prior to X10WTI going under.
However many programs X10WTI created required web activation and those servers are lost. :(
I had started to host different legacy X10 software and even supplied Authix links to some which were to have been added to the X10 Wiki site http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/Main_Page.
How many actually are there I don't know. ::) :'
I created AHP lifejacket to register AHP and the plugins I had.
At the time I was working on that I asked users that had all plugins registered if they could supply some data to allow all users to have a full AHP compliment registered. Sadly no one contacted me that had all plugins registered and working. :(
I know the AHP SDK works with several x10 PC interface controllers even those not created by X10, so it may be AHP does as well. I'm not sure if anyone ever tried it. ::) :'
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Well
I found some software and would be happy to upload it somewhere.
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If you PM me a list of what you have i'll see about putting together something up on my server.
I'll then let you know what and where to email me.
I'll also forward the programs to Authinx so they can be added to the wiki or where ever they wish to host the files (if they wish to do that)
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Well I guess i threw out 100 bucks.
I am not sure when they found out that the Dusk/Dawn timers didn't work.
I seriously doubt that Authinx is going to support the WM100 sufficiently.
for me. And with my simple needs that says a lot.
I think the only way it will survive is if it were open source.
I have to build a couple of wall switches for my Sonoff modules.
Then its out with x10. And i will probably integrate some other WIFI technology.
Sorry Authinx you lost my business!
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I think the only way it will survive is if it were open source.
I have to build a couple of wall switches for my Sonoff modules.
Then its out with x10. And i will probably integrate some other WIFI technology.
Sorry Authinx you lost my business!
Are you aware of the Sonoff switches?https://www.itead.cc/smart-home/sonoff-t1-us.html (https://www.itead.cc/smart-home/sonoff-t1-us.html)
And, I agree that Authinx is shooting themselves in the foot with their poorly designed WM100 firmware.
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Yeah I know about the SON-OFF switches. They don't have a 4 load switch and I also thing they haven't figured out that
most US houses have switch locations with multiple devices. They will perhaps have to make a switch with a decora footprint.
But
I have the following in my back yard.
Landscape lights, Dock Lights, Pool Light and Pool pump.
So what i did is buy one of the 4 button 433Mhz remote disassemble bring out the switches to push buttons
and mount it on a blank switch plate.
That way by my back door I can switch all those loads.
I am also going to take the single modules and do the same thing.
Since I only have one light on a dimmer I may go with some kind of WIFI.
I have only 8 loads total.
A couple of years ago replaced 2 switches with in wall timers. 1 with Dusk/Dawn.
If x10 was still a popular technology Authinx might have a chance.
If the code was open source and someone took the time to use the 2 way modules and extended codes it would still be a viable
smarthome option.
But its obvious that Authinx doesn't get it. The resurgence of x10 could be there.
With JV Digital Engineering XTB-IIR and a decent controller x10 would work extremely well.
But with all the electronic equipment we plug in who knows what kind of noise we are creating and complicate that with maybe
6 houses on a single transformer. No wonder sending out 1 x10 command and expecting it to work is a bad bet.
In any case when I get my WIFI stuff working I will have a lot of x10 crap on ebay.
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Are you aware of the Sonoff switches?https://www.itead.cc/smart-home/sonoff-t1-us.html (https://www.itead.cc/smart-home/sonoff-t1-us.html)
And, I agree that Authinx is shooting themselves in the foot with their poorly designed WM100 firmware.
I agree also. But no one listens to us old geezers. Wisdom seems to come only by doing. Sometimes too late.
AFA the Sonoff switches, ignorant question coming: Isn't this putting all eggs in one basket? If the WiFi router goes down, is the house dark?
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The sonoff switch is for a single gang box. Not made for multi gang boxes. Also they are 315Mhz the modules are 433Mhz.
The other thing is my loads are not in the same box. They are all located in an exterior enclosure. And one is 240v 20a.
I think sonoff will come out with plenty of US targeted products.
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I like my Sonoff devices however the App still (after 3 years) has a lot missing.
We were promised local control over 3 years ago and they still don't have it working with all devices (so the app says).
It took them over a year to learn local control meant using the Lan not using phone data. B:(
So your giving up on x10 because you can't get dusk/dawn timers to work from an app and moving to another protocol whos app doesn't even have that option (at least not that I can see). ::) :' I thought Dusk /Dawn was a must have?
Unlike the Sonoff eWeLink app the X10 wi-fi app has only been available since the start of the year. ::) :'
The eWeLink app is on version 3.50 last time I looked and the app is over 3 years old, my one Sonoff module has had at least 2 firmware updates (that actually installed) tripple that if you want to count failed updates.
The X10 Wi-Fi app is on 2.0.07 and less then 8 months old and I've done 3 firmware updates. 1 failed but that never made it past testing.
To me it looks like Authinix is working on their app better then itlead. the last time I was on the itlead forum an app update was 3 months past the announced release date with no reason for it. ::)
And don't get me on the Sonoff Alexa skill B:(
The X10 wifi app Dusk/Dawn times being off issue has been an issue in the apps for some time (since release for some) the change to DST brought to light where the issue was.
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By the way
I have Dusk/Dawn working with SONOFF now as well as the ability to control heavy loads.
I am not giving up on x10 I am giving up on the WM100!
I don't need an app on my smartphone or alexa or google.
I have 2 working 1132CU's
Here is the response from Authinx for my defective unit.
Hi Evan,
We can take a look at the unit and issue you a replacement if necessary. Please follow the instructions below for the warranty claim:
This return is for a warranty replacement of the following item(s): 1 x WM100
Please return item(s) to:
X10.com
2515 Tarpley Road, Ste 120
Carrollton, TX 75006
RMA# WT200050508
*** All returned merchandise must be in the original packaging including manuals, accessories, cables, etc.***
*** Securely pack the items for shipment. Ensure a copy of this email is included in the box and the RMA number is clearly written on the outside of the package.***
Thanks,
Take a look at it! Send me another one! They saw what the unit was sending out. Device #'s and no command.
So where is the return label with shipping? Its not there.
That's bad customer service on this product
I am going to figure out what in my house is sucking the signals up and fix them. I found a filter rated at 80 AMPS.
I think I know which loads are sucking up the signal.
Or I will build my own.
I am also going to of one of Jeff Volp's XTB-IIR+ Repeaters.
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Update:
I sent them an email asking for a pre paid return label and got it a couple of minutes later.
I got a feeling that its not the WM100 but the Android APP.
Lets see what they find.
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It appears they are handling returns a bit differently now. B:(
That may be the fact that several were returning units that were not defective. End users were just not following setup instructions and not using 2 GHZ Wi-Fi. ::) :'
I fired off an email to get some clarification and was told an RMA return label is being sent it usualy gets sent in a follow up email.
How are you doing Dusk Dawn for the Sonoff? I don't see the option in the official app.
You may not need one of Jeff's repeaters though it would improve things. I simply used Jeff's XTBM VolpMeter to find my signal suckers and noise makers.
With that I found what needed filtering and what needed to be removed (old bubs)
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Update:
I sent them an email asking for a pre paid return label and got it a couple of minutes later.
I got a feeling that its not the WM100 but the Android APP.
Lets see what they find.
That is their thinking as well I suspect, they haven't see this issue before.
You should try reinstalling the app and hard reseting the WM100
They don't want to send you another one and you report it defective as well.
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I have been in touch with Jeff and talking with him and I realized what may be my problem. As you know all the LED's, CFL's, wall worts, and other power supplies either cause noise or suck signals. And my house is full of that kind of crap. He mentioned something to me and it made me think when I started really having problems. Naturally I thought it was the controller. I have 4 AC's 2 have variable speed fan motors and one is an inverter type variable speed. The inverter is the new one and I am pretty sure thats when I started having problems. So
not only have i ordered one of Jeff's signal analyzer but tonight I am going to kill the Mini Split. If push comes to shove I'll start filtering some of the noisier loads. I have to look at some of them and see if they are built properly to handle the current.
Sonoff without flashing.
Ewelink+IFTTT+Stringfi=Dusk/Dawn
+ I have all of it running on my PC with Bluestacks
Here are some issues with WIFI but I think it will be eventually be the way to go.
No inwall (switch mounted controllers)
No high load switches rated at least 30A (WH, 240V pump)
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I was going to re install the app but i'll wait until they decide to put out the update.
It takes time to put all those devices and timers back in and test it.
They need to push the Dusk/Dawn issue.
I don't know what there deal is with China but there are great programmers all over the world
that would love to have a steady job.
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If the app is the issue reinstalling won't affect devices on the wm100. In setup instead of connecting to a new wm100 you connect to an existing HUB. All your configured devices will be detected.
I think the factory was to look after the developer.
Since the Factory had the idea "make it better" means "make it cheaper" atitude I suspect they found the least expensive developer available. I know they went through several programmers during developement.
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Ewelink+IFTTT+Stringfi=Dusk/Dawn
So if your internet goes down no working Dusk/Dawn. (that won't work for me)
I hope your Sonoff modules support the LAN option in the Ewelink app or the modules are easy to get at to manually cycle.
I'm not sure Wi-Fi is the way to go for all HA, a mixed bag of protocols is the way to go I believe.
X10 had talked about some other Wi-Fi controlled modules during the WM100 development.
I never pressed for extra details B:( those plans may have been shelved ::) :'
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All of my Sonoff modules are wireless. 433Mhz. I have also built a 433Mhz 4 button remote mounted in a switch plate. I stripped a couple of others out of there shell and mounted them as wall switches bringing out the local control switch.
Look
Here is the bottom line.
I am certified in Crestron, Litetouch, Lutron Touchplate, Barber Coleman, Johnson Controls,
I worked with almost all building and home and industrial, automation products.
The x10 technology was great for the 80's and when the added 2 way modules and extended codes it became a big player in automation. No one ever took advantage of that. The problem is as time goes on products and services seem to get worse.
For now the WM100 doesn't work as stated. Period.
In my day you didn't release products, firmware or software without thoroughly testing it.
And after release if there was a bug which there always is/was you fix it immediately, test it to see if it works and that you didn't break something else and send it out.
These people, Authinx, aint doin it!
I don't need any controllers I can do it manually or pull all of it out and put in digital timers and use a photo cell.
I am just pissed that what I need doesn't work. For now its not a great product.
And what are they going to do when Apple or Google come out with operating system updates?
Will the App stop working.
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Ah yes I forgot about the RF remote option.
I opted not to get that as I was hoping they would release the protocol which I was later told they would not. :(
Besides If I got one more remote I'd most likely be single again. rofl
For now the WM100 doesn't work as stated. Period.
The fact is yours doesn't, and as you stated it may just be the app.
Mine worked prior to the DST kick in as did other users WMs
Some users had issues prior to DST and the switch to that fixed their dusk dawn issue.
My dusk dawn timers again now works with the test version of the update and I would gladly share that if it didn't keep throwing gags screens that the firmware was outdated. ::) :'
In my day you didn't release products, firmware or software without thoroughly testing it.
And after release if there was a bug which there always is/was you fix it immediately, test it to see if it works and that you didn't break something else and send it out.
These people, Authinx, aint doin it!
They are testing but obviously don't have a large number of testers like X10 WTI had. :(
X10 WTI had developers in the USA not China, this is one reason issues were fixed so quickly they also only developed for 1 OS and that was Windows
And what are they going to do when Apple or Google come out with operating system updates?
Will the App stop working.
Well this latest delay of the fix is proof. It doesn't work on the latest IOS for a good many users and apparently that also depends on the brand of phone ::) :'
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The x10 technology was great for the 80's and when the added 2 way modules and extended codes it became a big player in automation. No one ever took advantage of that.
I am just pissed that what I need doesn't work. For now its not a great product.
And what are they going to do when Apple or Google come out with operating system updates?
Will the App stop working.
Actually if everyone would have bought 2-way modules there would have been even more problems and complaints to X10WTI, as a transmitting module will load down the X10 signal much worse than a receive only module.
Authnix inherited (bought) a basket full of problems. And over all, I think they are doing as well as possible. My hope is they continue hardware manufacturing with the Chinese manufacturer but switch software / firmware development back to US and open source it.
Maybe look at going with something else(?). I think Z-Wave would be my choice. Insteon seems to be in trouble, I don't see Insteon being around much longer. With over 80 some X10 modules, I would be afraid to go WiFi. It would take either require multiple routers, which I think would be a hideous headache, or hub based systems like HUE. Either solution would require a second mortgage.
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Since the WM100 appears to use the now standard IoT communication (MQTT) I suspect once someone gets frustrated enough they will hack a way to control either directly or with MQTT just as users did with Sonoff modules.
I don't see the WM100 as failing as much as the Wi-Fi app which I consider has already. By the time this update gets released that supposedly fixes DST and Dusk/dawn will be back to standard time, and it may be another year before we're sure the fix for DST actually works B:(
I actually had thought of going to Zwave for my off grid place but held off long enough to see that too wasn't without issues being reported.
The key I believe is using a mix of protocols in ones HA setup, locate problem areas for each and use one of the others in that location.
Sonoff has some cool modules which no other protocol has (at least no it their price range).
Zwave has the door lock market almost sewn up though I have seen BT and other options available.
It is hard to beat the vast flexibility of X10 however my HA setup is not solely X10 neither at my city or my off grid place.