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Title: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on October 26, 2018, 10:33:53 AM
Creating disk special PI SD images can be a challenge given all the pi models available now.
However I believe if one pi model is stuck to (say the affordable Zero W) this will reduce possible issues.
Current Pi users already know the PI can be turned into a HA HUB for basically every possible HA Protocol.
What others as well as my self are looking at is a software package that allows easy setup of X10.
A new X10 Pi specific software could be created but why reinvent something if one already exists.
I've not tried all the possible HA software options available as yet for the PI but one is standing out for me.

This software has both ease of install plus ease of settting up a simple X10 configuration though a disk image could remove the install issue and reduce setup effort of any software.


Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: bkenobi on October 26, 2018, 11:03:28 AM
Is "X10 Pi Hub" a new software I'm not familiar with?  I asked Google, but nothing popped up.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: brobin on October 26, 2018, 11:21:46 AM

This software has both ease of install plus ease of setting up a simple X10 configuration though a disk image could remove the install issue and reduce setup effort of any software.

I think "ease of install plus ease of setting up" is key to getting lots of people on board. Most people don't have the time, desire, or frankly, the aptitude, to learn how to put all the pieces together.  Although I'm not a customer, I think HomeSeer came up with a good option with their $200 Pi3 based controller that's well supported.  While it's not cheap, it's not expensive either. 

I think that your idea to create an X10 image would bridge the gap between HomeSeer and a "roll-your-own" by providing a working base to enable one to get right down to using rather than developing a basic controller.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on October 26, 2018, 12:47:20 PM
Is "X10 Pi Hub" a new software I'm not familiar with?  I asked Google, but nothing popped up.
No the X10 Pi HUB is not a new software. Although it could be I have no intention of creating something already available.
The Idea is to utilize existing software that works on a PI and create an easy to install X10 Pi setup for a Pi Zero W.

There is no need to even create a new hardware with a Pi inside. Although that also would be possible it is not my intention.
The Pi Zero W can be picked up for under $20 you can put it in virtually any case or get the official case and Power supply for a few dollars more.


I think "ease of install plus ease of setting up" is key to getting lots of people on board. Most people don't have the time, desire, or frankly, the aptitude, to learn how to put all the pieces together.  Although I'm not a customer, I think HomeSeer came up with a good option with their $200 Pi3 based controller that's well supported.  While it's not cheap, it's not expensive either. 

I think that your idea to create an X10 image would bridge the gap between HomeSeer and a "roll-your-own" by providing a working base to enable one to get right down to using rather than developing a basic controller.
My idea is to put together a small beta test group to test out the software ease of install and setup.
The final result being a Zero W image that installs the software with a simple basic X10 setup already ready to go for a cm15 or cm19 but hopefully for the cm11 or any thirdparty x10 controller that is capable of running from a Pi Zero W.
My idea is to have novice and newbies to the Pi world in this user group as well as a couple of experienced with x10 & the PI.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: brobin on October 26, 2018, 12:59:24 PM

My idea is to have novice and newbies to the Pi world in this user group as well as a couple of experienced with x10 & the PI.

I'm still a novice/newbie in the Pi world but I do have 34 years of X10 experience and a spare PiZW sitting here so consider me a volunteer.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on October 26, 2018, 01:19:40 PM
Thanks brobin!

 The Software I have in mind to utilize for this image is HomeGenie for those wondering. My experience has been that this is the easiest for a newbie to install and setup though I hope to take much of that off the need to do.
This will start with the most recent stable release not using beta releases.

Once I have a few users interested I get something setup However I want users that are willing to stick with this and not give up on the first hurtle they encounter. User input will be the key to getting anywhere with this.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: petera on October 26, 2018, 01:48:31 PM

My idea is to have novice and newbies to the Pi world in this user group as well as a couple of experienced with x10 & the PI.

I'm still a novice/newbie in the Pi world but I do have 34 years of X10 experience and a spare PiZW sitting here so consider me a volunteer.

We are all novices in the Pi world but are learning fast. That 34 years of X10 experience will be invaluable here  :)%

The baby step approach I imagine Tuicemen will adopt will allow anyone who has any computer experience to jump on board. Looking forward to assisting with this endeavour in any way I can.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on October 26, 2018, 02:25:08 PM
The baby step approach I imagine Tuicemen will adopt will allow anyone who has any computer experience to jump on board. Looking forward to assisting with this endeavour in any way I can.
I definately will be looking for your assistance on this.
My hope is when finished is, even a 10 year old will be able to put in the SD card (once created) and be up and running in under 20 mins.
The main thing long time X10 users dread is recreating there setup over and over if a problem ocurrs.
The fact that homeGenie has a backup restore function that actualy works is a big plus to this and will aid in the beta test.

Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: petera on October 26, 2018, 02:45:21 PM
Good time to start too.  Nights closing in and outdoors become indoors. Just waiting on you to press the launch button. The countdown has started 😆
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on October 26, 2018, 03:00:36 PM
The launch of this beta test will be in a 3-4 weeks given there is enough interest. ::) :'
I can't spend much time on this till then, however if someone wishes to take the lead till then it can get started sooner.
Since the original creator is back to working on HomeGenie (HG) maybe we can get some things of interest to the X10 forum users added as well, the X10 side of HG needs little tweaking.

I also realize there are several Forum users already running HG some are just new to it while others have been using it for years. These users don't require a HG SD image but their input in this beta test would also be very helpful.
 >!
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: petera on October 26, 2018, 03:19:40 PM
 Not beta related but Iím looking at the possibility of trying to get the CM19 working with HG. The CM11 and the CM15 are already covered but thatís for another post.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on October 26, 2018, 03:30:44 PM
I had though someone on my forum had it working with HG using the Cm15 option in HG. However it appears they are using mochad and node-red.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: HA Dave on October 26, 2018, 10:15:45 PM
Good time to start too.  Nights closing in and outdoors become indoors. Just waiting on you to press the launch button. The countdown has started 😆


Winter weather is good "hobby" weather. The up-coming holidays (particularly Thanksgiving for Americans) which often require travel and/or house guests.... can slow things a bit. But winter is Home Automation season.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on October 27, 2018, 08:23:36 AM
I'm looking forward to HA season this year.
I have lots of projects lined up so I expect it will fly be quickly. rofl
I've setup a beta section in hopes there will be a few users willing to participate in this, hopefully I didn't jump the gun! ::) :'
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: petera on October 27, 2018, 10:52:26 AM
I had though someone on my forum had it working with HG using the Cm15 option in HG. However it appears they are using mochad and node-red.

The Vendor ID for the CM15 is 0bc70001 while the CM19 is 0bc70002. I know Mochad allows for that when setting up its UDEV rule but I'm not sure yet if the XtenLib does. I'll try it out and see what results I get.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on October 27, 2018, 10:55:15 AM
I don't have my Cm19 at may off grid place so I'm unable to test.
if it fails we might be able to get Gene to add it as he seems to be back working on improving things.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: HA Dave on October 27, 2018, 11:32:42 AM
I'm looking forward to HA season this year.
........ hopefully I didn't jump the gun! ::) :'

You're fine! I am such a busy person... with all my "interests" (AKA hobby's). I'd never be able to keep up... if I also had a job of some kind.

Since last winter/spring I've been in the RE-imagining or re-inventing process of my Home Automation setup. Even though I've always be a true agent of change myself... the pace of new product development at this time is staggering.

As an example.... while looking at new alarm systems... I find products that allow for cameras to function as  motion sensors (indoors and outdoors). Then... using phones geo-locations (we'd thought of phones for occupancy sensing years ago) to determine if the motion is allowable or not. Then send a picture and alert if desirable.
The new ideas, products, and available tech.... create almost endless possiablities. I find it almost an effort to imagine which direction/technology would provide the most desireable lifestyle/result. Whereas... I was thinking RFID or maybe a keypad... now I am thinking phone and voice based.

Decades ago... I had ran doorbell wire to every window and door in the house (I owned then) when I installed my radioshack alarm. Today... in this house.... I am now removing wiring no longer needed or used. I moved my "garage door open alert (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=14721.msg81860#msg81860)" to the cloud yesterday.

I know the cloud (or video streaming) isn't for everyone, everwhere. But for 75-80% of American's (like me).... it's a game changer. But sometimes.... I also wonder if I am jumping the gun, myself.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: brobin on October 27, 2018, 12:15:31 PM

I know the cloud (or video streaming) isn't for everyone, everywhere. But for 75-80% of American's (like me).... it's a game changer. But sometimes.... I also wonder if I am jumping the gun, myself.

I think you'll find this article interesting: https://technode.com/2018/07/02/iot-security-privacy/

My biggest concern with cloud based services isn't that someone's going to surreptitiously view a camera, turn on a light or even listen to my conversations but that cheap, rushed to market IOT devices could either contain a malware payload or have a vulnerability that can be exploited as a gateway into a PC or mobile device that can access account and password info.  While companies like Amazon and Google can probably be trusted to employ state-of-the-art practices to guard against that, lets not forget that the nameless/faceless Chinese companies maintaining IOT servers operate at the whim and direction of the Chinese government who perhaps have values and motivations that are not aligned with our own. 
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: petera on October 27, 2018, 01:04:37 PM
I don't have my Cm19 at may off grid place so I'm unable to test.
if it fails we might be able to get Gene to add it as he seems to be back working on improving things.

No joy as I thought.Works in Mochad as it should. I asked Gene if he'd modify the XtenLib to cater for the CM19. The fact that the CM19 doesn't require an additional power outlet and is RF based should appeal to this project.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on October 27, 2018, 01:39:08 PM

No joy as I thought.Works in Mochad as it should. I asked Gene if he'd modify the XtenLib to cater for the CM19. The fact that the CM19 doesn't require an additional power outlet and is RF based should appeal to this project.
I seen that on GitHub. :(
The possibility of using the CM19 with this would be appealing to users that got the CM19 with their AHP kit instead of the CM15.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on November 23, 2018, 03:50:32 PM
I hope to see support added to HG for the cm19 fairly soon as Gene has stated he ordered one to work out any issues.
I have a initial downloadable image for a 4 gig or larger sd card which is under 800kb in size on my server now.
Testing is ongoing but this comes with HG and Ha-Bridge already installed as boots directly to the Pi setup page to enter your timezone and other pertanant info.
Once that is done you just open a web brower on any device and point it to the IP address the Pi X10Hub reports and your up and running (provided you had already connected the CM15 or CM11 to the pi).
There is no need to type anything into a command line (terminal window) so no need to learn Linux which so many are afraid of.
I'm told this can't be made any simpler the longest task is waiting for the download and burning the image. ::) :'
However the goal is for everyone testing to be 100% satisfied this can't get any simpler, currently I believe it can still be improved on and the download made smaller.  >!
I hope to have a RC build ready before this Christmas so pick up your inexpensive Pi Zero W while supply lasts. rofl

Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on December 04, 2018, 08:49:59 AM
Ive been testing Genes work on code for the Cm19. It is coming along very well as it can send and recieve standard on/ off x10 rf and see x10 security door/window sensors. :)%  lt is looking very promising that the cm19 will be supported by HomeGenie before the new year. Some tests have been done with this x10hub image and other pi modles with some success users are able to get things working on a 3b  it also I'm told works on a Pi b+ but is slow. I have the downloadable SD image down to under 700mg  but I don't expect it to get any smaller now.. I may offer the option to ship SD cards if there is enough interest.in that.
 >!
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: bkenobi on December 04, 2018, 11:12:18 AM
I haven't tried as I don't have TM751 installed, but can the CM15 perform send RF?  I know that's how the CM19 works exclusively, but the CM15 should be able to do that as well (just never tested).  If not currently, will that be added to the CM15 when CM19 is added?
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on December 04, 2018, 11:25:53 AM
I've asked that of Gene but not got an answer back on it.
Currently I use the Broadlink rm for x10 RF as it will do the security RF as well.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on December 08, 2018, 06:46:22 PM
The Pi X10Hub project is coming along very nicely.
Although this will do more then the WM100 ever will be capable of doing it still doesn't have the PLC punch of the WM100 as it uses the  old X10 interfaces.
My hope is Authinix updates the CM15A with a stronger PLC, However with added CM19 support coming and the use of the newer PAT03 you'll get that PLC punch. :)%
 >!
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: HA Dave on December 09, 2018, 06:09:38 AM
Currently I use the Broadlink rm for x10 RF as it will do the security RF as well.

The Security RF features aren't helpful to me now. I've switched to a new security/alarm system. Although.... I like the idea of being able to add X10 modules/switches if my Homeseer was to fail. All I've ever used my Broadlink RM Pro for.... is a minimal bit of TV cable control. But I like it!

The Pi X10Hub project is coming along very nicely.

I like the idea of a true X10 Hub.

But... after finally getting geofencing as part of my automation setup.... I am now anxiously looking at adding geolocation features. A little (credit card sized computer) Pi could be perfect for the newer technologies. But I think such usefulness.... or exploitation of available technologies... mandates the use of staff AND servers. We'll still need things like.... well a Amazon "skill" and maybe some similar integration with other automation Hubs.

It's amazing what you guys are accomplishing. But we really do need X10 to buy-in on this.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on December 09, 2018, 08:04:39 AM
The Pi X10Hub has the ability for Alexa control built in with HA-Bridge no skill required.
Several sample backups are included to show one what is possible. even a simple one showing X10 control of 3 or 4 devices

The HomeGenie API allows for intergration of other things like IFTT, SmartThings,and other Cloud services if that's your thing.
However it isn't required and the only thing the internet is actualy required for is maintaining the clock as there is no RTC unless you add one your self and that is certainly do able. You the end user looks after what goes on your PI just like you look after what gets put on your Phone no staff required. The Hub is a server which can connect to any server you wish it to.
This thing supports Hue devices, Zwave devices, and many others. X10 is just what we are focusing on with a simple initial setup like AHP had for X10 samples.

I really don't know why you think Authinx needs to buy-in on this. ??? Although the owner is very interested and supplied me with a few CM15As for this so I guess maybe they have already bought in on this. ::) :'

Truth be told, it was you Dave, and your attempts to setup a Pi that inspired me to work with a Pi. Sure others did encourage me to do the Pi X10Hub image for the community but  I already had a working Pi X10Hub of my own.

Being open source we the X10 community are not stuck waiting on a developer from China to get the things added we want and need with this thing. This will grow with its capabilities faster then even AHP did.
The possibilities really are endless with the software in this image. ;)
 >!
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: petera on December 09, 2018, 04:54:35 PM
The Pi X10Hub has the ability for Alexa control built in with HA-Bridge no skill required.
Several sample backups are included to show one what is possible. even a simple one showing X10 control of 3 or 4 devices

The HomeGenie API allows for intergration of other things like IFTT, SmartThings,and other Cloud services if that's your thing.
However it isn't required and the only thing the internet is actualy required for is maintaining the clock as there is no RTC unless you add one your self and that is certainly do able. You the end user looks after what goes on your PI just like you look after what gets put on your Phone no staff required. The Hub is a server which can connect to any server you wish it to.
This thing supports Hue devices, Zwave devices, and many others. X10 is just what we are focusing on with a simple initial setup like AHP had for X10 samples.

I really don't know why you think Authinx needs to buy-in on this. ??? Although the owner is very interested and supplied me with a few CM15As for this so I guess maybe they have already bought in on this. ::) :'

Truth be told, it was you Dave, and your attempts to setup a Pi that inspired me to work with a Pi. Sure others did encourage me to do the Pi X10Hub image for the community but  I already had a working Pi X10Hub of my own.

Being open source we the X10 community are not stuck waiting on a developer from China to get the things added we want and need with this thing. This will grow with its capabilities faster then even AHP did.
The possibilities really are endless with the software in this image. ;)
 >!

As Tuicemen states here's the RTC module that snaps into the GPIO pins on all Raspberry Pi models. No wiring or soldering skills required for the ultimate autonomy https://thepihut.com/products/mini-rtc-module-for-raspberry-pi?variant=758601217
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on December 09, 2018, 06:24:28 PM
I expect to have a RC build of the Pi-X10Hub ready to night.
Although it will still only be available to beta testers I'm willing to add more testers to the group.
You don't need a Pi Zero W for this image now it should work with any model however older models may perform a bit slower.
If your at all interested in seeing this proceed and would like to have a say in how this progresses join the test group with a PM to me.
 >!
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Brian H on December 09, 2018, 06:59:53 PM
Well with the Pi Zero W. You will have to solder the GPIO connector on to it. To use the RTC module.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on December 09, 2018, 07:02:37 PM
Well with the Pi Zero W. You will have to solder the GPIO connector on to it. To use the RTC module.
Not if you get the board with the  GPIO pins already soldered on. ;)
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Brian H on December 09, 2018, 07:23:54 PM
All but one of the sellers I have seen had only the Pi Zero W with no connector.
Though I did see a few of the starter kits with a connector the user got to solder on themselves.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on December 09, 2018, 07:57:32 PM
The sellers I've seen that have the pre soldered version selling for double so not worth it.
In any case I feel the RTC isn't needed the better option would be a UPS as I'd be more worried about a power blip corrupting the SD card.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: brobin on December 09, 2018, 08:29:50 PM
While MicroCenter won't sell the $5 PiZW on line, they will sell the PiZWH (H is for header) on line for $13.99 + 5.99 shipping. You can add a 16gig micro sd card for just $3.99 (their cards are good). So a total of $24 for the PiZWH, 16g card and shipping. https://goo.gl/RczJQg  +  https://goo.gl/9Xd9sx
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: alzy on December 15, 2018, 09:04:35 PM
Tuicemen, this x10 PI hub is a great idea! When do you think the sd card image will be available?
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on December 15, 2018, 09:18:49 PM
The image has been solid and capable of sending and receiving  X10 since beta 2.
 
The SD card image is currently in RC 2 build and we are currently working on an agreeable initial X10 setup demo and layout.
Once I have that from testers I'll do a final RC build and a release build.

A  release build will be prior to Christmas of this year regardless of testers input. ::) :'
If you can't wait you can always join the test group and have a say in the direction we take. Just PM me and say you want in! ;)
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: alzy on December 15, 2018, 09:39:20 PM
What do I need for hardware:

Pi zero (will I need the header?)
Power supply
CM19a
16gb micro sd card
Anything else?
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: brobin on December 15, 2018, 10:21:26 PM
What do I need for hardware:

Pi zero (will I need the header?)
Power supply
CM19a
16gb micro sd card
Anything else?

You'll want the Pi Zero W (W is for WiFi) - no header needed.
In addition to the rest of your list you'll only need an OTG adapter (male micros USB to female USB to plug in the CM)
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on December 16, 2018, 07:09:23 AM
What do I need for hardware:

Pi zero (will I need the header?)
Power supply
CM19a
16gb micro sd card
Anything else?
Although the latest HomeGenie Build will work with a Cm19 it isn't supported as yet on the Pix10Hub
Only the cm11 and cm15 are currently supported though anything that uses the same protocol as the Cm11 should work they've not been tested.
I'm hopeful the CM19 holds up in tests and I can move to the mono version the Cm19 uses before he Christmas release.
I may run another test group special for testing the CM19 as currently there are only two of us test running it.
You may want a mini to regular HDMI adaptor but that is optional
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: alzy on December 16, 2018, 08:04:07 AM
What adapter do I need to interface the cm11 with Pi zero?. Also do I need a Pi specific USB OTG adapter for the cm15?
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on December 16, 2018, 08:18:55 AM
What adapter do I need to interface the cm11 with Pi zero?. Also do I need a Pi specific USB OTG adapter for the cm15?
I've no Cm11 so others will have to answer that.
But I suspect you would need a serial to USB adaptor then a usb to micro like required for the Cm15 or cm19
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-Male-to-USB-Female-OTG-Adapter-Converter-For-LG-G4-Samsung-S6-S7-Edge/332533914121?hash=item4d6c90da09:m:mTFbcauLtL3WCZ02WOazvFg:rk:15:pf:0
Most computer shops have these as well some dollar stores carry them.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Brian H on December 16, 2018, 10:02:55 AM
On the CM15A.
I found a short cable {~1' long} that has a USB B connector to connect to the CM15A and a 90 degree Left Angle OTG micro USB connector on the other end for the Pi Zero W.
Also came in a right 90 degree version but that would have the cable in front of the power jack.

When it gets here. I can have the Pi Zero W in a Official Raspberry Zero case right next to the CM15A.

For now I am using one of the adapters and the original CM15A USB Cable.

I think many may stick to the original CM15A cable and adapter. So it does not have to be a close to the PI Zero W.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: dhouston on December 16, 2018, 10:07:12 AM
What adapter do I need to interface the cm11 with Pi zero?. Also do I need a Pi specific USB OTG adapter for the cm15?
I've no Cm11 so others will have to answer that.
But I suspect you would need a serial to USB adaptor then a usb to micro like required for the Cm15 or cm19
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-Male-to-USB-Female-OTG-Adapter-Converter-For-LG-G4-Samsung-S6-S7-Edge/332533914121?hash=item4d6c90da09:m:mTFbcauLtL3WCZ02WOazvFg:rk:15:pf:0 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-Male-to-USB-Female-OTG-Adapter-Converter-For-LG-G4-Samsung-S6-S7-Edge/332533914121?hash=item4d6c90da09:m:mTFbcauLtL3WCZ02WOazvFg:rk:15:pf:0)
Most computer shops have these as well some dollar stores carry them.
If HG supports the CM11A on the Pi Zero W, it will likely use pins on the HEADER for the serial interface. The HG author will have to supply the details.
I'm not really familiar with USB-OTG but my WAG is that it can control the CM15A via the adapter and a standard USB cable for the CM15A.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on December 16, 2018, 10:13:29 AM
On the CM15A.
I found a short cable {~1' long} that has a USB B connector to connect to the CM15A and a 90 degree Left Angle OTG micro USB connector on the other end for the Pi Zero W.
Also came in a right 90 degree version but that would have the cable in front of the power jack..
I use a 6 inch USB A to USB B cable for my connection to the cm15 along with a OTG adaptor.
 I was unable to find a short cable with the OTG to USB B ends. Do you have a link or was it found at a local computer shop.

The proximity of the Pi to the CM15 shouldn't cause a issue as my Pi is directly inside the CM15 case.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: alzy on December 16, 2018, 10:14:57 AM
Thanks all for the info! I am still confused a bit. In searching the web for OTG USB adapters they seem to be specific to particular phones etc. Can the one for the Rpi be any OTG USB or does it need to be specific to the Pi zero?
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Brian H on December 16, 2018, 10:35:52 AM
Thanks all for the info! I am still confused a bit. In searching the web for OTG USB adapters they seem to be specific to particular phones etc. Can the one for the Rpi be any OTG USB or does it need to be specific to the Pi zero?
The one I bought was a short cable {6"} with the connectors on it. I think it was listed as for some cell phones but is fine on my Pi Zero. Should not have be brand specified. Some I have seen just called it an OTG adapter. Some where a short cable others where like the above linked one.


Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: brobin on December 16, 2018, 11:27:03 PM
On the CM15A.
I found a short cable {~1' long} that has a USB B connector to connect to the CM15A and a 90 degree Left Angle OTG micro USB connector on the other end for the Pi Zero W.
Also came in a right 90 degree version but that would have the cable in front of the power jack..
I use a 6 inch USB A to USB B cable for my connection to the cm15 along with a OTG adaptor.
 I was unable to find a short cable with the OTG to USB B ends. Do you have a link or was it found at a local computer shop.

The proximity of the Pi to the CM15 shouldn't cause a issue as my Pi is directly inside the CM15 case.

https://amzn.to/2S3xpcT   for the micro USB directly into the CM15a USB port. They're on eBay too.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on December 16, 2018, 11:37:08 PM
Sure when your not looking there are all kinds rofl
I may have been looking for white specific at the time ::) :'
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: brobin on December 17, 2018, 12:14:46 AM
Thanks all for the info! I am still confused a bit. In searching the web for OTG USB adapters they seem to be specific to particular phones etc. Can the one for the Rpi be any OTG USB or does it need to be specific to the Pi zero?

Any one will do. Just search OTG adapter on Amazon. If you're looking for a well priced ($27 delivered) starter kit this has it all and then some. I've been recommending this one that I bought: https://amzn.to/2GkcEZd
You can add a 16GB micro SD card for $4 https://amzn.to/2Ep4qML
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: alzy on December 17, 2018, 07:10:38 AM
Thanks brobin. That sounds like the way to go! :)%
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Dave Mc on December 17, 2018, 09:12:56 AM
Here is another Thank You to brobin.  I saw the same one on Amazon and a similar one from CanaKit, and trying to decide what do I actually need.  For me and I think others new to PI it makes sense to buy a kit.  I might have some of the needed items around the house but it is just easier to buy a kit.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on December 17, 2018, 09:18:17 AM
I might have some of the needed items around the house but it is just easier to buy a kit.
I agree most newbie to the world of pi should get a kit, unless you love to tinker.
 If you want a second or third Pi then you can go the single parts route and just get a board.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Brian H on December 17, 2018, 10:06:15 AM
I agree. I kit is a good way to start. If you have nothing now. A case is nice to hold the Pi Zero W and you may need the Mini HDMI to HDMI adapter or cable. In the future.

I did find one thing out about the Official Raspberry Pi Zero Case. There is no access slot to install or remove the SD card. It has to be unsnapped from the case to get at the SD Card Slot. Not a big deal but mine is a tight snap and I don't want to damage the Pi removing it. Other brands maybe the same.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on December 17, 2018, 10:11:48 AM
I did find one thing out about the Official Raspberry Pi Zero Case. There is no access slot to install or remove the SD card. It has to be unsnapped from the case to get at the SD Card Slot. Not a big deal but mine is a tight snap and I don't want to damage the Pi removing it. Other brands maybe the same.
I didn't realize that as I mounted one in a cm15 and another in a ds10a case.
I suppose you could always cut a slot in the case with a Dremel tool or drill and file.
Easy access to the SD card is realy required for so many reasons.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: petera on December 17, 2018, 11:15:45 AM
I did find one thing out about the Official Raspberry Pi Zero Case. There is no access slot to install or remove the SD card. It has to be unsnapped from the case to get at the SD Card Slot. Not a big deal but mine is a tight snap and I don't want to damage the Pi removing it. Other brands maybe the same.
I didn't realize that as I mounted one in a cm15 and another in a ds10a case.
I suppose you could always cut a slot in the case with a Dremel tool or drill and file.
Easy access to the SD card is realy required for so many reasons.

The CM15Pro being a little different design wise to the CM15a allowed me to pop the Zero into the battery compartment with a little remodelling. All shut away now. Just want to test wireless signal a little more and that will be an ideal hub set up.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: brobin on December 17, 2018, 02:11:36 PM
I did find one thing out about the Official Raspberry Pi Zero Case. There is no access slot to install or remove the SD card. It has to be unsnapped from the case to get at the SD Card Slot. Not a big deal but mine is a tight snap and I don't want to damage the Pi removing it. Other brands maybe the same.
I didn't realize that as I mounted one in a cm15 and another in a ds10a case.
I suppose you could always cut a slot in the case with a Dremel tool or drill and file.
Easy access to the SD card is really required for so many reasons.

UPDATE: The Vilros case opens easily but does NOT have an external slot for the SD card. Another case I use is the Zebra Zero case https://amzn.to/2PK4OHM which is a "sandwich case and the micro SD card is easily removed.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Brian H on December 17, 2018, 03:34:31 PM
Seeing the flickering LED is a plus.
When you shutdown it must be writing something to the SD card. I found on my Pi 3B and the Pi Zero W. Not removing the power until the LED stops flashing, is what I do.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on December 17, 2018, 03:43:08 PM
Seeing the flickering LED is a plus.
That is so true. I have to remove my CM15A battery cover in order to see the light.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: brobin on December 17, 2018, 03:51:16 PM
NOTE: I updated my previous post about the Vilroy case. It DOES require opening to change the card. I was thinking about another case I have from Zebra that is different. https://amzn.to/2PK4OHM
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: bkenobi on December 17, 2018, 06:45:28 PM
The black case I bought for my RPi3 had pictures that made it look like I could see the LED's, but that was not correct.  I had to use a 1/4" drill to open a hole to be able to view the indicators.  How can you make a solid case without making the LED's visible!? 
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Brian H on December 17, 2018, 06:50:49 PM
The official Raspberry Pi B3 and B3+ case has two small holes on the end to see the LEDs.
The one for the earlier models looks the same except the two holes are on the other side of the end. Seems the B3 and B3+ have the LEDs in a different location.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: bkenobi on December 18, 2018, 10:48:34 AM
My case doesn't have a hole for some reason.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Brian H on December 18, 2018, 10:50:41 AM
Mine is on the side and there is a rubber like light pipe that passes the red and green LEDs to the side of the case.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: petera on December 19, 2018, 08:43:39 AM
Just drill a hole if you can't see the LEDs

My case is made from Lego. So versatile and so many different designs to choose from.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: bkenobi on December 19, 2018, 11:47:43 AM
Just drill a hole if you can't see the LEDs
Yup, that's what I did.  When I saw there was no way to see the LED's, I fixed it.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: petera on December 19, 2018, 12:29:19 PM
Just drill a hole if you can't see the LEDs
Yup, that's what I did.  When I saw there was no way to see the LED's, I fixed it.

Just glue a tiny piece of clear plastic into the drilled hole and it magnifies the light coming from the LEDs. Makes them easier to see. There's so many Pi case projects on the web it would make your head spin. I wouldn't even bother buying a case for a Pi Zero. An empty Tic Tac container is an ideal fit.
Title: Re: Your thoughts on a X10 PI Hub
Post by: Tuicemen on December 19, 2018, 12:53:23 PM
There's so many Pi case projects on the web it would make your head spin. I wouldn't even bother buying a case for a Pi Zero. An empty Tic Tac container is an ideal fit.
And you get free mints  rofl