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📱X10 WIFI => 🗯General Discussion => Topic started by: ceedee on October 26, 2018, 02:53:19 PM

Title: WM100 on sale again
Post by: ceedee on October 26, 2018, 02:53:19 PM
I draw some comfort that perhaps a price break will encourage new business, so that the revenue can be invested in completing committed product features, and fixing huge and persistent bugs.

Not at all frustrated,..nope. B:(
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: Noam on October 29, 2018, 08:55:48 AM
Or, perhaps they finally realized that the current product will never be able to do everything it was supposed to do, so they dropped the price to try and get rid of the stock they have.  :(
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: arizona480 on October 29, 2018, 06:58:51 PM
Or, perhaps they finally realized that the current product will never be able to do everything it was supposed to do, so they dropped the price to try and get rid of the stock they have.  :(

And then they stop paying the bill for the server  :-[ .
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: dave w on October 29, 2018, 08:59:42 PM
My money is on Noam's theory. But did they change the ad wording?
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: LostDog88 on October 30, 2018, 12:00:11 AM
Sorry. I am new. I just read the manual on this.

Other than direct access to the hub via your smart phone, what does this give me I don't have with HomeGenie and connecting with my smartphone via webserver address?
I get it is certainly prettier. But any thing I missed?
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: Tuicemen on October 30, 2018, 07:13:14 AM
Sorry. I am new. I just read the manual on this.

Other than direct access to the hub via your smart phone, what does this give me I don't have with HomeGenie and connecting with my smartphone via webserver address?
I get it is certainly prettier. But any thing I missed?


Actually you can do more with a cm15  and HG then this ever could.
The only plus currently with the wm100 is its signal strength in my opion.
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: Noam on October 30, 2018, 09:42:53 AM
Other than direct access to the hub via your smart phone ...
Actually, you *don't* get direct access to the hub. You need to access it through the server, via the web. So when the server goes offline (which has happened a bunch in the last few weeks/months), and/or your Internet connection is down, you have no control over the system.
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: petera on October 30, 2018, 10:02:37 AM
This has all the trappings of an "end of line" sale. I wonder how many of the units that were returned by forum members owing to them being "not fit for purpose" will be included in this clearance sale.
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: Tuicemen on October 30, 2018, 10:31:47 AM
Maybe I don't visit the sales site as often as I should but I've never seen it offered at the regular price of $149 ::) :'
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: Brian H on October 30, 2018, 04:07:43 PM
I also have never seen it at $149.99
Now it is $109.99. Though in the very beginning. $99.99 seems to stick in my memory.
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: Tuicemen on October 30, 2018, 04:19:57 PM
I also have never seen it at $149.99
Now it is $109.99. Though in the very beginning. $99.99 seems to stick in my memory.
$99 was the introductory offer I've never seen it lower then that and $109 is where I've noticed it always at when I visit the sales page.
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: ceedee on October 31, 2018, 07:22:17 PM
No app updates in quite awhile, despite lingering bugs. My inquiries to support go unanswered.

Anything we should know?
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: dave w on October 31, 2018, 08:37:35 PM
No app updates in quite awhile, despite lingering bugs. My inquiries to support go unanswered.
Can't speak to the inquires to Support issue. But no updates is really SOP. IMO Authinx does not have much sway over the manufacturer/developer.
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: Mic_ on November 01, 2018, 02:25:05 PM
I anticipate this to be my final question on this subject, unless something new pops. I feel that I was chastised here for asking questions on "old tech"...Point well taken, subject.

When the WM100 ends, I suppose X10 will turn off the server (forgive me if I misunderstand this) and that will be that for this latest device? Thanks all for taking the time to respond
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: Tuicemen on November 01, 2018, 02:47:28 PM
I anticipate this to be my final question on this subject, unless something new pops. I feel that I was chastised here for asking questions on "old tech"...Point well taken, subject.

When the WM100 ends, I suppose X10 will turn off the server (forgive me if I misunderstand this) and that will be that for this latest device? Thanks all for taking the time to respond
Sorry you felt you were chastised I 'm sure that was no ones intent we were all lacking information on X10 at some point. Hopfully we'll all have an alternate connection method by the time the server is put to sleep.
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: HA Dave on November 01, 2018, 08:06:27 PM
…. I feel that I was chastised here for asking questions....

That sucks! Maybe we should be kinder with our posts... but I am sure no one meant any ill intentions towards you.

When the WM100 ends, I suppose X10 will turn off the server...... and that will be that for this latest device?

Just like Sears and Roebuck.... nothing lasts forever.

Technology advances and improves DAILY.  Some of these changes are all good. I paid over a $1000 for a 40 inch 720p flat panel 16/9 TV a few years ago... a better and bigger TV is less than $200 today. But some other technologies…. like my app controlled remote controls... went under. Their severs went dark and they became trash. That wasn't fun.

Some of us here have opposite views on how to deal with the direction Home Automation technology is heading. But to the best of my knowledge... no one here actually has any control of the future. 
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: Mic_ on November 02, 2018, 06:04:10 AM
Thanks all
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: skibumtim on November 07, 2018, 03:30:05 PM
I have been using the CM19A for years now and find with the old sdk on my PC running 24/7 to be way better than what the WM100 seems to be offering. With my $12 per year TriggerCMD account I was able to completely integrate my x10 platform into Google Assistant when I got a Google home in Dec 2017. Now when driving home, with just a squeeze on my Pixel 2 XL phone activating the assistant I can the say "Return On" from anywhere my phone is getting a signal and my x10 outside light switches, the 2 sconces in my living room, and the kitchen lights turn on. First thing I usually door when I step in the door with my hands full, carrying whatever I have bringing into the house with me, is say to my Google Home Hub (that I've recently replaced the older Google Home with) "OK Google, Outside Off" turning only the outside off. If people are not aware of this integration they should see the YouTube video titled Control X-10 devices from Google Home Mini - (using x10 equipment you already own) posted by My stupid videos.

When I first saw this WM100 and the companion app I was hoping there would be integration like the TP-Link's Kasa app that can integrate all the TP-Link hubless switches and outlets into the Google Home app for remote Google Assistant control. A good analogy to me is that x10 is the MySpace of home automation. They were once a leader but when fast moving innovative competition came along they do not seem to have the flexibility and awareness of the industry they are in to keep up with the Joneses. They do seem to have the most affordable hardware tho and with the old sdk out there to let our PCs do the heavy lifting for them there will always be a niche for them for those of us that are capable of DIY integration of their hardware into the more modern smart home platforms.     

Actually you can do more with a cm15  and HG then this ever could.
The only plus currently with the wm100 is its signal strength in my opion.
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: HA Dave on November 07, 2018, 09:29:32 PM
I have been using the CM19A for years now and find with the old sdk on my PC running 24/7 to be way better than what the WM100 seems to be offering. With my $12 per year TriggerCMD account I was able to completely integrate my x10 platform into Google Assistant

OMG... why haven't I read about this sooner.

A little research shows the TriggerCMD skill would work with Alexa as well (https://www.echoskillstore.com/TRIGGERcmd/B06XFN2TZN).

It appears.... the X10 hub has already been invented!!!!! This (as they say in government) is a big f**king deal.  We need to learn MORE about this. I wonder..... if this TriggerCMD could be used on a simple Raspberry Pi?!?!?
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: skibumtim on November 07, 2018, 11:57:30 PM
TriggerCMD was not made for or with X10 in mind I believe. It was a way to remotely integrate windows pc operations onto the Google Assistant (GA) and yes, even the Amazon Alexa platforms. It's all in the batch files. The batch files are simple triggers written as short simple lines of code. I bet some of my smallest and simplest batch files are maybe 16 typed characters or less. If you watch that youtube video you see him make the batch files. If your batch files are written properly you should just be able to click them and they do what you wrote them to do. Next is the TriggerCMD server you need to install on your PC to remotely punch those batch files via GA or Amazon Alexa. All those triggers must be written flawlessly w/o a single character out of place to work. Luckily cut and paste works well and you only have to edit small bits of the command lines if you planned ahead in how you were naming things and keeping them similar and simple. After you watch that video you should be able to have your first batch file made just out of curiosity about 2 minutes after viewing. Once you take that first step its really easy to go on from there.  I think I made one batch file and confirmed it worked. Next the TriggerCMD server and got it linked up to that single batch file I made. Logged into TriggerCMD website with a web browser and made sure I can remotely trigger my batch file. The next thing is then to connect your Google account and TriggerCMD account. Then open the Google Home app on your phone and make the routine to have GA request TriggerCMD to punch that batch file. I probably had this done the first hour after seeing that video. Did spend I think $12 for the first year account usage with TriggerCMD in that first hour but other than that I didn't spend a dime to get any of this integrated because I already had the stuff. That first hour was all trial and error until I figured out what I was doing and how it was working. Without a paid TriggerCMD account, the free account only allows you one free trigger per hour. I encourage every X10 owner that is using the old X10 sdk on a windows machine to just take the time to expand their understanding and knowledge to make just one single batch file to trigger a x10 light, and then get TriggerCMD to remotely trigger it, and then get GA to ask TriggerCMD to trigger it.

Via TiggerCMD I even have GA controlling my VLC Player on my HTPC with batch files I made for it. I can request GA "Movie Time" and it opens my VLC Player. I usually then open the VLC Remote app I got off the playstore made by Hobbyist Software to choose what I want to watch but I do have a unseen movie folder on my NAS and can just request GA to "play movies" and it will auto launch VLC placing all those movies from that folder in a random que and start playing one of them. If the movie has black bars on the top and bottom, I've got a batch file when triggered by a GA request "aspect ratio" that immediately stretches the movie to 16:9 to full fill the screen. Of course I got a "fullscreen" batch file to so I can request VLC to go fullscreen via GA also. Plus so so so much more. Anything my PC can do I have found I can create a batch file to do it remotely with Google Assistant via TriggerCMD. My htpc's background is black, if I fall asleep to a movie on my couch, it ends, I can drowsily call GA to "close VLC," it closes my VLC player and my tv screen goes black. If I'm nodding off on my couch with lights on all over my house and drowsily stumble to bed a simple "Hey Google, All Lights Off" when I hit the sheets and my whole house goes dark. I had already bought a Google Home to see what the Google Assistant was about. All this ability for only $12 per year more seemed like a no brainer when I discovered it. Btw, I am an idiot and if I can do it I know any single person reading this post can do it. I'm a old stoner that dropped out of high school in 1983 only finishing the 10th grade. If I can figure all this out with nothing more than clicking on Google search results and youtube videos, anyone can! YOU all can do it! It is really easy. Just do one out of curiosity.
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: dhouston on November 08, 2018, 07:42:05 AM
How does TriggerCMD differ from DDNS services such as NoIP?
https://www.noip.com/ (https://www.noip.com/)
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: HA Dave on November 08, 2018, 11:49:25 PM
……. It's all in the batch files. The batch files are simple triggers written as short simple lines of code. ………. If you watch that youtube video you see him make the batch files. If your batch files are written properly

…... I'm a old stoner that dropped out of high school in 1983 only finishing the 10th grade. If I can figure all this out with nothing more than clicking on Google search results and youtube videos, anyone can! YOU all can do it! It is really easy. Just do one out of curiosity.

Batch files.  B:(

I should have guessed. Not exactly programing.... but it's programing all the same. Don't sell yourself short. Your time and efforts have been wisely invested... and you reaped what you've sown. You did more than good. You've done great.

But the time and effort required for me.... is a greater price for admission than I can afford. I admire (and envy) what you've accomplished. But it isn't for me. But thank you so very much for sharing. I'd think some others will find this helpful. Thank you so much for sharing.
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: Mic_ on November 17, 2018, 09:01:25 AM
Glad I stopped by. Always good ideas out here. Thanks
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: skibumtim on November 28, 2018, 07:36:39 AM
Batch files are so simple and certainly not programming. Here's the batch file I made that turns on my outside lights

"C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\X10\Common\ahcmd.exe" sendrf a1 on

That is the complete batch file. If you have a CM19 like me working on your windows 10 pc, your x10 is on house code a and a switch 1, that will turn it on right there. Try it... Highlight and copy that above text, open notepad on pc, paste, select save as, choose all files so it's not saved as .txt and name it test.bat saved to your desktop.... Now if you want a1 turned on just click on that batch file sitting on your desktop.

First part is file location. sendrf is what you want it do. a is the house code. 1 is the switch. And on defines whether it is a on or off being sent. If you want to write a bunch of batch files for all your lights you would copy just the "C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\X10\Common\ahcmd.exe" sendrf a part so for ea batch file you can hit Ctrl v to paste all the bs in notepad and just type 1 on or 1 off or 2 on etc... Once all your batch files are made you just point TriggerCMD to them and point your Google Assistant to TriggerCMD. The batch files are definitely the easiest part though.




Batch files.  B:(

I should have guessed. Not exactly programing.... but it's programing all the same. Don't sell yourself short. Your time and efforts have been wisely invested... and you reaped what you've sown. You did more than good. You've done great.

But the time and effort required for me.... is a greater price for admission than I can afford. I admire (and envy) what you've accomplished. But it isn't for me. But thank you so very much for sharing. I'd think some others will find this helpful. Thank you so much for sharing.
Title: Re: WM100 on sale again
Post by: Tuicemen on November 28, 2018, 07:47:47 AM
Batch files are fine for simple things. However most X10 users soon become power users with more then 16 devices and wanting scenes (macros) and timers.
You'll not convince the old long time X10 users batch files are the way to go! We've been there and done that!
The ahcmd.exe tool was created as a test tool for just simple sending. It is not reliable for heavy use as it has been known to lock up. ;)