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💬General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: HA Dave on April 13, 2020, 11:24:49 PM
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Heard today of a join venture with Google and Apple to fight the corona virus. A new "app" from the dynamic duo is to be introduced soon. It will supposedly use Blue-Tooth to log range-contact with other "phones". So... if you share a joke at the water cooler (with a co-worker), lunch downtown (with a friend?), a ride in the car with a.... well you know. There will be a record.
Of course... it wasn't made clear WHERE this record will be kept. But it was suggested that the record of contacts may only last a limited amount of time... maybe only two weeks. Because... of course... this "app" is only designed to track virus contagion.
My thought was who can't wait to download such an app? Or maybe better... who in their right mind would want a government agency tracking their every move. My guess... this "app" will just be a part of a regular phone update. It likely was.... the update I received a couple weeks ago.
So.... while some people worry and fret about "hackers"..... or Amazon listening to what shows play on the TV. The governments of the world (did I mention these apps are in use in Asia already?) have back-doors into every device we're in contact with. Remember... Amazon can only sell you stuff. The Government can lock you up.
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Remember... Amazon can only sell you stuff. The Government can lock you up.
This is true, but neither of them can deliver :)
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Remember... Amazon can only sell you stuff. The Government can lock you up.
This is true, but neither of them can deliver :)
Not been my experience with either. I guess there are areas in the world that don't benefit from Amazon delivery. But where on Earth have people NOT received benefit from American's... in one way or another. American-style freedoms and liberty are perhaps Earth's greatest resource for mankind (IMHO).
I'll never understand why some people are so fearful of the most vulnerable (vendors). And yet so welcoming and trustful of encroaching tyranny.
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Beelocks comment didn't say the American people but Governments there is a difference.
Though Amazon and Governments do deliver (if I qualify) in my case, it is not when advertised. ::) :'
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Beelocks comment didn't say the American people but Governments there is a difference.
Though Amazon and Governments do deliver (if I qualify) in my case, it is not when advertised. ::) :'
So then.... if I understand your post correctly.....
You're completely OK with The American Government tracking every movement you make as well as our listening into, recording, analyzing, and meta-tagging every phone call you make. Well OK then. I guess not everyone has the same feelings about liberty.
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Beelocks comment didn't say the American people but Governments there is a difference.
Though Amazon and Governments do deliver (if I qualify) in my case, it is not when advertised. ::) :'
So then.... if I understand your post correctly.....
You're completely OK with The American Government tracking every movement you make as well as our listening into, recording, analyzing, and meta-tagging every phone call you make. Well OK then. I guess not everyone has the same feelings about liberty.
Mr. T lives in Canada so I don't think "The American Government" will be interested in him. >!
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Beelocks comment didn't say the American people but Governments there is a difference.
Though Amazon and Governments do deliver (if I qualify) in my case, it is not when advertised. ::) :'
So then.... if I understand your post correctly.....
You're completely OK with The American Government tracking every movement you make as well as our listening into, recording, analyzing, and meta-tagging every phone call you make. Well OK then. I guess not everyone has the same feelings about liberty.
No! You didn't understand my post nor (IMO) did you understand beelocks. Both I believe were not intended to support any type of a conspiracy or erosions of ones freedoms.
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No! You didn't understand my post nor (IMO) did you understand beelocks. Both I believe were not intended to support any type of a conspiracy or erosions of ones freedoms.
What?? "conspiracy"????? The USA is BRAGGING about doing this... not a rumor. We're going to track your every movement Tom. Please show me where you noted ANY concern? I understand "conspiracy" is a trendy and word to throw around... but doesn't in any way apply to my posts.
The American government is in NO WAY... attempting (or even considering) eroding any [natural] freedoms. Rights to privacy and freedom of movement have been deemed VOID... canceled, gone, over. But you guys worry about Microsoft, and other large corporations... because... I don't know. Maybe because it requires no effort and there is absolutely zero chance of retribution.
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Mr. T lives in Canada so I don't think "The American Government" will be interested in him. >!
I know.... you claim to be an adult... and so I accept that your really are. But so many of your posts read like your a 14 year old boy. What adult (from this planet) would have such a naive view of any government? Or.... are you JOKING... yet again?
I've known Tuicemen for years. I know where he's from/at/etc.. That's one of the things that confuse me the most. I can almost understand an old patriot like myself accepting a little over-reach by the government of a nation I live in, love, and is part of my DNA in many ways. But why does so many others... turn a blind eye to such actions... and instead pretend "corporations" (or cloud servers) are scary. I don't get it.
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Resistance is not futile!
When it becomes so we'll all be Borg rofl
I did not express a concern because it doesn't and will not affect me.
Those that wish to comply without a fight have already lost. Your freedom of movement is not gone! Unless your caught. rofl
Modern tech is not required for every day life it is a convenience. I don't have a phone glued to my side nor a micro chip inbedded in my body (yet) ::) :'
If governments can already track your every movement why is it so hard to catch some criminals or terrorists?
Saying your going to do something does always come true.
I'm not sure how microsoft comes into play here but Im also not worried about it or any large corporation as you suggest. (Yet)
Your OP referred to an app which requires a phone which must be carried at all times inorder to work correctly. The premise that a cell phone needs to be with you at all times isn't something I'll ever buy into. I WILL RESIST!!!
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Your OP referred to an app which requires a phone which must be carried at all times inorder to work correctly. The premise that a cell phone needs to be with you at all times isn't something I'll ever buy into.
Same here. While I do own a cellphone, it lives in my backpack for emergency and traveling. It costs just $10 for 120 days of activation, and I only turn it on when I want to use it. I have used if for AllTrails, but prefer my Magellan GPS.
Jeff
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Mr. T lives in Canada so I don't think "The American Government" will be interested in him. >!
I know.... you claim to be an adult... and so I accept that your really are. But so many of your posts read like your a 14 year old boy. What adult (from this planet) would have such a naive view of any government? Or.... are you JOKING... yet again?
I've known Tuicemen for years. I know where he's from/at/etc.. That's one of the things that confuse me the most. I can almost understand an old patriot like myself accepting a little over-reach by the government of a nation I live in, love, and is part of my DNA in many ways. But why does so many others... turn a blind eye to such actions... and instead pretend "corporations" (or cloud servers) are scary. I don't get it.
I think your last sentence (emphasis added) says it all. BTW, I've never claimed to be an adult - or even from this planet for that matter - just old. And yes, I like to joke, hence my never claiming to being an adult. ;D
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Micheal Moore suggested America will have the last president with Trump. Saddly it is looking more likely each day. America is headed down the road to dictatorship under the disguise of Democracy just how Germany did with Hitler.
Tump has already stated his word is law and final several times. Luckily some governors from both parties are resisting.
America intelligence agency's knew about the corona virus and its impact back in November. Trump is a smart man, why did he wait to restrict flights? He can put the blame on WHO all he wants fact is he knew what was going on before WHO as did other governments.
This app is just one more tool he now has at his disposal, disguised to protect the public.
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Trump is a smart man, why did he wait to restrict flights?
Wow! If you remember, Trump got all sorts of flack from shutting down flights from China when he did. Unfortunately, he should have shut down flights from Europe too as most of the spread into New York came from there.
There was an excellent article on the timeline of when things were done:
https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/31/the-real-coronavirus-chronology-shows-trump-was-on-top-of-it-while-biden-was-mocking-the-danger/
And as late as March 9 Fauci said it was OK for healthy people to take a cruise. And now he criticized Trump for not shutting down things sooner.
Jeff
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Tump has already stated his word is law and final several times. Luckily some governors from both parties are resisting.
America intelligence agency's knew about the corona virus and its impact back in November.
Trump is a smart man, why did he wait to restrict flights?
He has backed off on that.
They knew about the virus by leaks from Wuhan, but I don't think they had the virus dissented yet.
I think he was distracted by "Russian Collusion" and impeachment.
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Yep, I agree all flights should have been stopped sooner and not just those coming into the US.
As for Fauci, I don't think he had all the information Trump or other world leaders had access to, he relied on the WHO info. People can only be expected to react properly if all facts are known. Governments in power knew what was going on and what to expect and were slow to react.
It is easy to blame the other parties not in power for stating conflicting facts but it is their job to make those in power explain their actions. Most people can handle the facts, those in power need not worry about the few that can't.
Fake News is every where we don't need it coming out of the mouths of our leaders in power. ::) :'
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Tump has already stated his word is law and final several times. Luckily some governors from both parties are resisting.
America intelligence agency's knew about the corona virus and its impact back in November.
Trump is a smart man, why did he wait to restrict flights?
He has backed off on that.
They knew about the virus by leaks from Wuhan, but I don't think they had the virus dissented yet.
I think he was distracted by "Russian Collusion" and impeachment.
Actualy the Canadian intelegency knew about it and the potential prior to leaks from Wuhan and that info was share with all our allies.
Why it was not acted on sooner by any of them is a mystery.
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Actualy the Canadian intelegency knew about it and the potential prior to leaks from Wuhan and that info was share with all our allies.
Why it was not acted on sooner by any of them is a mystery.
The story about US intelligence knowing about the virus back in November was denied.
“As a matter of practice, the National Center for Medical Intelligence does not comment publicly on specific intelligence matters. However, in the interest of transparency during this current public health crisis, we can confirm that media reporting about the existence/release of a National Center for Medical Intelligence Coronavirus-related product/assessment in November of 2019 is not correct,” said Col. R. Shane Day, the director of the NCMI.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/pentagon-denies-existence-of-november-coronavirus-intelligence-report-warning-of-cataclysmic-event
And from what I have read, Canada didn't take any action until mid-March.
Jeff
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Your correct Jeff Canada like many nations were slow to react!
As for the intelegence on the virus back in November our deputy prime minister would not confirm or deny that any one in our government seen it. It would have been much simpler to say we have not seen any such info or I can't comment on matters of security. Instead the responce was to suggest such knowledge was and is shared amongst allies. ::) :' This was not something I read on the web but watched live.
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There are still non-stop flights from Wuhan to Hongcouver, pardon me, VANcouver BC operating. Nobody's right or wrong on this, it's just Monday morning quarterbacking. Six months ago none of us would have considered this any more seriously than as a plot for a Hollywood movie. Trump was called a racist for stopping flights from China when he did and now those very same people are saying he waited too long.
What would have been the "perfect" date? Ask ten people, get ten answers. Does anybody believe that ANY date that Trump picked would be heralded by CNN as a brilliant move by Trump? Was ANYbody calling for canceling flights before that date? If so, not loudly enough to be reported broadly. Five weeks later, during a press conference, NYC Mayor de Blasio said he is “telling people to not avoid restaurants, not avoid normal things that people do. . . . If you’re not sick, you should be going about your life.” Four days later he closed the schools.
It's an election year and even sending thousands of free dollars to a huge percentage of US families has the opposition moaning... (mostly because they didn't think of it first).
Steven Stills/Buffalo Springfields' "For What It's Worth" is as relevant today as it was in the '60's. This'll bring you back:
https://youtu.be/gp5JCrSXkJY
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Not sure about Wuhan or extact cities but yes there are still nonstop flights from China to Canada and other countries. These are shipping much needed medical supplies.
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Well since you all asked for my two cents...I believe it is part of the great conspiracy.
BTW has anyone noticed the increase in UFO sightings in say the last few years? Ever read about the TR3B black triangle craft being spotted all over the place? Or the Nazi bell machine?
HA Dave, just what IS in hanger 18? You worked at WP didn't you? 8)
Going back to sleep now.
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.... HA Dave, just what IS in hanger 18? You worked at WP didn't you? 8)
Old hanger 18. Nothing I can tell you about it. I've heard all the rumors... That is where the Boswell crash and remains were shipped. According to the "believers".
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.... HA Dave, just what IS in hanger 18? You worked at WP didn't you? 8)
Old hanger 18. Nothing I can tell you about it. I've heard all the rumors... That is where the Boswell crash and remains were shipped. According to the "believers".
That is what they "programed" you to say, isn't it? rofl
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That is what they "programed" you to say, isn't it? rofl
Of course not. I can "say" anything I want. However.... posting stuff on the interweb.... isn't exactly the same as casual conversation.