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Title: WAF Factor of Upgrade From CM11A to CM15A is *VERY* LOW - (P.S. Me Too!)
Post by: TakeTheActive on August 24, 2006, 02:53:03 AM
[NOTE: I hesitated a few days before posting these notes because I was just recently promoted to "Community Organizer" and I worried about a "Conflict of Interest". But, after some serious 'internal' deliberation, I decided that (since I'm not an X10 Employee) it was for the good of the entire X10 Community that I post my discoveries.]

You CM15A "Old-Timers", *PLEASE* correct any of my misconceptions! :)


The following are my NotePad notes as I was upgrading from ActiveHome CM11A to ActiveHome Pro CM15A:

(FYI, I've been an X10 User for ~30 years! ActiveHome/CM11A User for ~?10? years!)



Install software *BEFORE* connecting USB Cable:


IMPORT ActiveHome [CM11A] .X10 and .MAC files not in HELP - "File OPEN" ???


MACROS IMPORTED from AH v1.32:


MACROS: EDITING DELAYS -  

Quote from:  From Help
A macro can have a total delay time of 3 hours. This means the last even in a macro can be no longer than 3 hours after the start of the macro.

Quote from:  From Program Popup Error Box
The total delay time for a single macro must not exceed 4 and half hours. Please adjust the delay values to be within this range.

Imported AH Standard Macro(s) [5 Hours and 12 Hours]:


Imported AH Fast Macro [4 Hours]:


Misc:


Where is TOOLS -> STATISTICS -> VERIFY?? (from AH)

BATTERY-POWERED MOTION DETECTORS: AH displays "Motion Detected / No Motion"; AHP DOESN'T display anything!


WOW! I feel like an "Alpha Tester"! How long has this software been out?!?  :o  :-[

I'll gladly exchange all the (unnecessary / pushy) "Buy Online / Order Direct " code for less BUGs!!! ;)

P.S. To you "Newbies" - this post should *CERTAINLY* prove to you that 'at least some '  "Community Organizers" are in NO WAY associated with X10 Staff! ;) (although, I feel relatively confident to say that, most of us just *LOVE* X10 dearly! :) )

P.P.S. Tuicemen, tell the folks HOW LONG it takes to format something like this!?!  :o
Title: Re: WAF Factor of Upgrade From CM11A to CM15A is *VERY* LOW - (P.S. Me Too!)
Post by: TakeTheActive on August 24, 2006, 04:05:11 AM
A couple of hours ago, *WHILE* I was still entering and formatting my 'AH CM11A to AHP CM15A Review', my *DEAR* wife (of ?32? years - you all already know how bad I am with dates!  :-[ ) was BANGING on the floor and SCREAMING:

"WHY ARE ALL THE LIGHTS AND THE A/C ON?!? THEY WOKE ME UP!!!"[/color]

Husband Translation: WTH are you doing down there you STUPID IDIOT!!!  :o

My Reply: I don't know HONEY - I'll check it out!  ???

My Translation: WTH is this AHP v3.204 software doing?!?   >:(

GEEZ, the old CM11A v1.32 software was working just *FINE* for *YEARS*! - I *REALLY* don't need this WAF Grief right now!  :o  >:(
Title: Re: WAF Factor of Upgrade From CM11A to CM15A is *VERY* LOW - (P.S. Me Too!)
Post by: KDR on August 24, 2006, 05:38:01 AM
It's just possible you picked the wrong year to upgrade to AHP.

AHP less all the bugs would be a super piece of software and it's going to take some time to work them out. I would like to see X10 put out upgrades a bit more often in an effort to correct all the problems. Until then I use it for 1 or 2 complex macros and leave all the other stuff up to mControl to take care of.

I think you will find that when you do get things working good and consistant... going in and adding or changing something will mess up how other things were working and you have to start over. Its like you have another full time job just keeping the software doing what you want it to do. (My wife fixed the light coming on in the middle of the night problem. She unscrewed the bulb.)
Title: Re: WAF Factor of Upgrade From CM11A to CM15A is *VERY* LOW - (P.S. Me Too!)
Post by: Dan Lawrence on August 24, 2006, 08:35:05 AM
When I upgraded to AHP last July, the Setup of AHP was fast and easy, and it imported all my .x10 files from Active Home without any problem.  When the the timers were uploaded to the CM15A, everything ran the same way they did in AH.

My only problem was that the FedEx driver (apparently a contractor, not a FedEx employee) decided not to deliver my order when X10 said it would arrive. I called Customer Service with my order number, they put in a tracer and said that according to FedEx, it was delivered.  They were ready to re-send the order when on the following Monday, a package from X10 USA was sitting on my porch. Apparently the driver decided not to work the previous Friday.
Title: Re: WAF Factor of Upgrade From CM11A to CM15A is *VERY* LOW - (P.S. Me Too!)
Post by: steven r on August 24, 2006, 11:14:41 AM
...Apparently the driver decided not to work the previous Friday.
They don't have substitute drivers?
What lousy service.
Title: Re: WAF Factor of Upgrade From CM11A to CM15A is *VERY* LOW - (P.S. Me Too!)
Post by: dave w on August 24, 2006, 11:55:05 AM
[NOTE: , I decided that (since I'm not an X10 Employee) it was for the good of the entire X10 Community that I post my discoveries.]


P.S. To you "Newbies" - this post should *CERTAINLY* prove to you that 'at least some '  "Community Organizers" are in NO WAY associated with X10 Staff! ;) (although, I feel relatively confident to say that, most of us just *LOVE* X10 dearly! :) )

P.P.S. Tuicemen, tell the folks HOW LONG it takes to format something like this!?!  :o

TakeTheActive

Don't try and kid us, you work for X10 as their web page designer... ;)
Title: Re: WAF Factor of Upgrade From CM11A to CM15A is *VERY* LOW - (P.S. Me Too!)
Post by: JimC on August 24, 2006, 12:25:58 PM
TakeTheActive

Looks like you will be busy for a while.  ;D
I did not have any of your problems when going from AH to AHP. When I switched over I just started over from scratch.  :) As I got AHP when it first came out I am not sure it originally had the capability to import the old AH files or at least if it did I was not aware of it.

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Need FUNCTION to MOVE Modules & Macros from Room A to Room B 

You can simply drag modules from one room to another.

Have fun,

Jim

Title: Re: WAF Factor of Upgrade From CM11A to CM15A is *VERY* LOW - (P.S. Me Too!)
Post by: steven r on August 24, 2006, 12:34:43 PM
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Need FUNCTION to MOVE Modules & Macros from Room A to Room B 

You can simply drag modules from one room to another....
I wish you could sort by HC as well as Room. Sometimes I like to review everything I have on a particular HC.
Title: Re: WAF Factor of Upgrade From CM11A to CM15A is *VERY* LOW - (P.S. Me Too!)
Post by: JimC on August 24, 2006, 12:44:42 PM
Steve,

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I wish you could sort by HC as well as Room. Sometimes I like to review everything I have on a particular HC.

In the reports option you can view by house code. I believe it is near the bottom of the general report.

Jim
Title: Re: WAF Factor of Upgrade From CM11A to CM15A is *VERY* LOW - (P.S. Me Too!)
Post by: Tuicemen on August 24, 2006, 04:37:17 PM
Unfortunately I never owned a CM11A(I was about to order one when this can out so I move straight to AHP from the firecracker!)
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P.P.S. Tuicemen, tell the folks HOW LONG it takes to format something like this!?!

Unfortunately moving info from one program to another (AH to AHP) can be a chore, even at the best of times! ::) ;)
I always stated that the users that had the most problems with the conversion were POWER  users. And You are One! ;) :D ;D
Dan is not!
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When I upgraded to AHP last July, the Setup of AHP was fast and easy, and it imported all my .x10 files from Active Home without any problem
( he doesn't use any pluggins or didn't)
So Unfortunately I can't give you a Time frame as to how long it will take to format something like this!
best thing I found was go slow else suffer  from the WAF ::) ;) :D ;D or wait until she out of the house! ;)
We All suffered for this in one form or another setting this up![/color]
ps. Just A thought did you install all pluggins before trying to convert or affter!(it may have made a difference) ::)
Title: Re: WAF Factor of Upgrade From CM11A to CM15A is *VERY* LOW - (P.S. Me Too!)
Post by: Dan Lawrence on August 24, 2006, 08:54:29 PM
You are correct. I have ZERO plug-ins, as I don't have any need for fancy macros, cameras or the like.  I live in a 1928 frame house in a good neighborhood in Baltimore. I have a PR511 floodlight in front and every exterior door is double deadbolt locked, so cameras will not be needed or useful. X10 for me is a tool, and not a "bells & whstles" toy.  What I have does for me (and my wife) what we want.
Title: Re: WAF Factor of Upgrade From CM11A to CM15A is *VERY* LOW - (P.S. Me Too!)
Post by: TakeTheActive on August 25, 2006, 05:51:41 PM
It's just possible you picked the wrong year to upgrade to AHP...

Wrong year? Didn't it come out >2 years ago?  ???

Some of the BUGs that I listed in my OP are simple little NITS that QA should have caught in Version 1.0.0. :(
Title: Re: WAF Factor of Upgrade From CM11A to CM15A is *VERY* LOW - (P.S. Me Too!)
Post by: TakeTheActive on August 25, 2006, 05:53:32 PM

TakeTheActive

Don't try and kid us, you work for X10 as their web page designer... ;)

Don't forget my trusty sidekick Tuicemen!  ;)
Title: Re: WAF Factor of Upgrade From CM11A to CM15A is *VERY* LOW - (P.S. Me Too!)
Post by: TakeTheActive on August 25, 2006, 06:07:27 PM
TakeTheActive

Looks like you will be busy for a while.  ;D

Certainly does!  ::)

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Need FUNCTION to MOVE Modules & Macros from Room A to Room B 

You can simply drag modules from one room to another.

I was referring to MASS MOVE - i.e. under 'ROOMS', right-CLICK on a Room; you'll see RENAME Room and DELETE Room. *BUT*, if you click on DELETE Room, you'll now get the option to MOVE Room A (*ALL* Modules and Macros - BAM - ONE SHOT) to Room B.

The point of my NOTE (with the DELETE at the end) was to indicate how UNINTUITIVE it is. ;)

...I did not have any of your problems when going from AH to AHP. When I switched over I just started over from scratch.  :)

Well, at least I didn't have any trouble with the FedEx driver!  :D
Title: Re: WAF Factor of Upgrade From CM11A to CM15A is *VERY* LOW - (P.S. Me Too!)
Post by: TakeTheActive on August 25, 2006, 06:25:22 PM
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P.P.S. Tuicemen, tell the folks HOW LONG it takes to format something like this!?!

Unfortunately moving info from one program to another (AH to AHP) can be a chore, even at the best of times! ::) ;)

So Unfortunately I can't give you a Time frame as to how long it will take to format something like this!
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I was referring to the time it took me to format my NOTES, not setup AHP.  :o ;)

I always stated that the users that had the most problems with the conversion were POWER  users. And You are One! ;) :D ;D
Dan is not! ( he doesn't use any pluggins or didn't)

ps. Just A thought did you install all pluggins before trying to convert or affter!(it may have made a difference) ::)

" And You are One! " - NOT ME!  :-[


NOPE - You, dear sir, are the POWER  USER!
Title: Re: WAF Factor of Upgrade From CM11A to CM15A is *VERY* LOW - (P.S. Me Too!)
Post by: TakeTheActive on August 25, 2006, 11:00:16 PM
Although I *DO* appreciate all the "condolences" posted, this *REALLY* isn't (or at least *SHOULDN'T* BE) a funeral (for the CM15A)!  :o

The *ENTIRE* point of my OP was to LOGICALLY LIST, IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER, MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WHILE UPGRADING FROM AH CM11A to AHP CM15A.

(Just as if I was doing QA at a job site.)

Am I the *ONLY* person, in the 2+ years since this product was released, to have discovered *THESE* BUGS?!?  :o ??? [I sincerely doubt it!  :P]

As soon as I noticed that "Things weren't going exactly as (I felt) they should (at this point in the development cycle) ", I began taking NOTEs.

I *HONESTLY* don't know WTH is going on at X10 these past few years, but I *CERTAINLY* wish to DO MY BEST TO HELP THEM OUT!!! (if only they'd let me, that is...  :( )

Does anyone else wish to join me???  ;D
Title: Re: WAF Factor of Upgrade From CM11A to CM15A is *VERY* LOW - (P.S. Me Too!)
Post by: KDR on August 26, 2006, 07:08:10 AM
TTA  My comment about picking the wrong year to upgrade refers to if you would have waited to next year the software would work better and have less bugs.

As far as a funeral for the CM15A, I don't think its that bad of a piece of hardware. It has some RF issues but i don't use it for RF, I have a dedicated receiver that works well for any RF within a 150' radius around it and all of X10 remotes reach it.

I transfered off of AHP all my simple tasks and moved them to another program. I only have a couple of complex macros running on AHP now and they have been running reliably for me. Prior to that everything worked and if I made a change or added something to AHP I had to start the battle all over again to get everything working again.

One day I will go back to using only AHP I'm sure because I like the software. And I'm sure it will get better. But until then I will use AHP for some of my macros and my other software for the other tasks. Both work well running together and talking to the CM15A at the same time.

Whats being controlled.
Controller - CM15A
RF Handled by - V572AB
5 - HR12A Palm-Pad Remote
4 - KR19A-HA Pocket Remotes
5 - Stick-On RF Wall Switches
2 - MS14A Motion Sensors
2 - MS16A Motion Sensors
1 - MS13A Motion Sensor
3 - LM15A Rocket Sockets
1 - SL575 Screw in Lamp Module
2 - WS12A Switch
1 - WS467 Switch
1 - LM14A 2-Way Lamp Module
3 - AM486 Appliance Module
5 - LM465 Light Modules
2 - UM506 Universal Modules
1 - 4826B Coupler/Repeater - Not used because it messes up stuff.
1 - 15 amp filter
3 - 10 amp filters
1 - Dummy (fake) Camara I got on sale at Radio Shack. $9.98 They tried very hard to get me to buy an extended warranty for a camara that was built not to work.
Title: Re: WAF Factor of Upgrade From CM11A to CM15A is *VERY* LOW - (P.S. Me Too!)
Post by: Tuicemen on August 27, 2006, 03:59:10 PM
Although I *DO* appreciate all the "condolences" posted, this *REALLY* isn't (or at least *SHOULDN'T* BE) a funeral (for the CM15A)!  :o

The *ENTIRE* point of my OP was to LOGICALLY LIST, IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER, MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WHILE UPGRADING FROM AH CM11A to AHP CM15A.

(Just as if I was doing QA at a job site.)

Am I the *ONLY* person, in the 2+ years since this product was released, to have discovered *THESE* BUGS?!?  :o ??? [I sincerely doubt it!  :P]

As soon as I noticed that "Things weren't going exactly as (I felt) they should (at this point in the development cycle) ", I began taking NOTEs.

I *HONESTLY* don't know WTH is going on at X10 these past few years, but I *CERTAINLY* wish to DO MY BEST TO HELP THEM OUT!!! (if only they'd let me, that is...  :( )

Does anyone else wish to join me???  ;D
It's too bad the beta Posts were not available for everyone to read!
I beta tested all the pluggins to date and Your findings were posted and were posted on the old board( to bad so many posts from there were lost!)
I've been trying!(x10 seems to have selective reading with some bug reports)  >:( :( ::) :'(

By "POWER USERS" I was referring to the amount of X10 Hardware devices in use (you do have a lot more than me)

You many Not be a AHP ]"POWER USER"[/size] but you were a Active Home  (CM11A) one! ;)

I Don't think of myself as a "POWER USER" But I'd like to be! ;) :D ::)
Title: Re: WAF Factor of Upgrade From CM11A to CM15A is *VERY* LOW - (P.S. Me Too!)
Post by: Oldtimer on August 27, 2006, 05:41:02 PM
I can appreciate how Take The Active feels about his conversion from the CM11A to the CM15A.  I did the conversion shortly after AHP came out and quickly discovered that I liked AHP very much but the legacy conversion routine was at least two short of a six pack.  After a half hour of diddling around with the results of the conversion I realized that I didn't want the patched up macro routines anyway and simply used the results of the conversion as placemarkers while I wrote brand new macros in AHP for all of them. I'm very sure it took me much less time overall then it would have to try and patch the converted ones. I have been extremely satisfied with the program ever since!