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 on: April 28, 2017, 07:51:24 PM 
Started by dspiffy - Last post by Brian H
Finding LED bulbs that work with X10 and other protocol modules. Can be a challenge.
Sometimes even the same manufacturers part can vary.
I have some Feit A1600/830/10KLED/2 13 Watt 100 watt equivalent non-dimmamabe.
I have some Feit A1600/830/10KLED/2(L) 14.7 Watts 100 watt equivalent non-dimmamabe.
The boxes look identical. If you didn't read the actual part numbers it can be easily missed.
With an Insteon On/Off module that has Local Control Sensing.
The earlier ones I bought are 100% fine. On and Off no issues.
The last batch {(L)suffix} when Off pulse On every few seconds for a brief flash.

Have some dimmable Philips 12E26A60 EnduraLED and 12E26A60-1 EnduraLED LED Bulbs.
Philips changed the designed to use less LEDs and use brighter one for the same Lumen output.
The electronics where changed to drive the different LED assembly. Act 100% different from each other
on X10 and Insteon dimmers.

One other point. X10 and X10Pro dimmers have a minimum wattage specification. I have see many say 40 watts and a few say 60 watts.

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 on: April 28, 2017, 06:38:36 PM 
Started by dspiffy - Last post by dspiffy
The Kichlers are NOT dimmable BTW.

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 on: April 28, 2017, 06:32:50 PM 
Started by dspiffy - Last post by dspiffy
I didnt go into a lot of detail on the bulbs because I didnt assume anyone here was an LED expert.  You seem to be.
I have one on one module and two on another.  They're advertised as not dimmable, and even the box says "not dimmable", but they dim beautifully on X10.  However when the modules are off, they are still on at about half brightness.
Nope, not an expert by any means.

The Kichler bulbs have three high power LED so likely does have a more sophisticated power supply. If the flicker does not bother you, and they seem to work OK when dimmed, I would at least dim to about 60%-70% and check the reflector heat sink, near the base, for excessive heat.

I have some larger Kichler spots, not in use (big sale at Menards). I will play with them on a lamp module and see if they act silly.

That's exactly where I got them, Menards on clearance.  I have myriad PAR20s and PAR30s.

A single PAR20 flickers.  Two or more is fine.  A single PAR30 is fine.  Two PAR30s will turn back on when turned off.  Three or more is fine.

At this point, I just matched them to what works.  I have one PAR30 on an appliance module, another 3 PAR30s on a different appliance module.

The little 0.8watters on the other hand, I dont have any option other than to put them on lamp modules.

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 on: April 28, 2017, 12:48:14 PM 
Started by Tuicemen - Last post by MichDVC
Yes, I verified that the drive VOL ID was changed successfully to match the original installed drive that was last successfully registered with X10 for AHP.

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 on: April 28, 2017, 12:41:19 PM 
Started by dspiffy - Last post by dave w
I didnt go into a lot of detail on the bulbs because I didnt assume anyone here was an LED expert.  You seem to be.
I have one on one module and two on another.  They're advertised as not dimmable, and even the box says "not dimmable", but they dim beautifully on X10.  However when the modules are off, they are still on at about half brightness.
Nope, not an expert by any means.

The Kichler bulbs have three high power LED so likely does have a more sophisticated power supply. If the flicker does not bother you, and they seem to work OK when dimmed, I would at least dim to about 60%-70% and check the reflector heat sink, near the base, for excessive heat.

I have some larger Kichler spots, not in use (big sale at Menards). I will play with them on a lamp module and see if they act silly.

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 on: April 28, 2017, 02:08:30 AM 
Started by dspiffy - Last post by dspiffy

Those that are less than 5 watts, do. {glow}
Sorry, I did not understand that the LEDs you were were less than five watts, when questioning whether the glow when the module is off would harm the bulb. If they are that small I doubt they have a power suplly any more complicated than diodes and resistors. I doubt letting them glow will have any affect on bulb life.

I didnt go into a lot of detail on the bulbs because I didnt assume anyone here was an LED expert.  You seem to be.

I wrongly assumed these were under 5w:

http://lightyournight.com/product/kichler-7-watt-led-par20-lamp/

Putting a single one of these on an X10 module results in a faint flickering when the module is off.  Multiples work fine.  A single of the PAR30 version works fine.

Wrongly assumed these were less than 5w-- I ordered the 8w version.  With a single bulb on a module, you hear a faint ticking from the bulb when the module is off, but cant see any light.  Didnt try multiple bulbs.

I discontinued operation on both of those, but I have no choice by to use X10 on these:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N0UL1RC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I have one on one module and two on another.  They're advertised as not dimmable, and even the box says "not dimmable", but they dim beautifully on X10.  However when the modules are off, they are still on at about half brightness.


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 on: April 27, 2017, 09:17:23 PM 
Started by dspiffy - Last post by dave w

Those that are less than 5 watts, do. {glow}
Sorry, I did not understand that the LEDs you were were less than five watts, when questioning whether the glow when the module is off would harm the bulb. If they are that small I doubt they have a power suplly any more complicated than diodes and resistors. I doubt letting them glow will have any affect on bulb life. 

 8 
 on: April 27, 2017, 01:45:17 PM 
Started by dspiffy - Last post by Brian H
The Leviton Fixture Modules are the 6375 Relay and 6376 Dimmer.
I have not seen any specific modifications for them.
I found links to both and the dials are on each side.
The product page for them is on a links below.
http://www.levitonproducts.com/catalog/model_6375.htm
http://www.twacomm.com/catalog/model_6376.htm

Since X10WTI probably made the Leviton Modules. If you find any modifications for the X10Pro XPDF and XPFM they maybe similar.

 9 
 on: April 27, 2017, 12:24:59 PM 
Started by dspiffy - Last post by dspiffy
Try a dimmable LED and see if it glows. Mine do not (Sylvania brand) and I am running some of them on two wire switches. As Brian stated; a non dimmable LED should NOT be controlled by a dimmer. Even when full ON (not dimmed) the AC waveform from any dimmer (not just a Lamp Module) has a slight distortion, this could shorten the life of non-dimmable bulbs. A dimmable LED or CFL are designed to deal with the wave form distortion.

None of the dimmable LEDs I have glow, but all of the dimmable LEDs I have are 5 watts or more.  The non dimmable LEDs I have that are 5 watts are more also do not glow.  Those that are less than 5 watts, do.

Normally when I test a non dimmable LED on a dimmer it blinks.  These dim smoothly.

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 on: April 27, 2017, 12:19:49 PM 
Started by dspiffy - Last post by dspiffy
There is some information on the older Lamp and Wall Switch. Modifications here: http://www.laureanno.com/x10-mods.html

Thanks, I see the lamp module, but not the hard wired module.

It looks like these, except the code switches are on the sides, not the top:

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Px8AAOxy-j9SSHAe/s-l300.jpg

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