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 on: June 20, 2019, 11:48:31 AM 
Started by mike - Last post by mike
So I found a sequence to make the groups show up (all but top one - dashboard):

1) config->group>pick one (NOT dashboard).  While it is showing,
2) click on home>pick a group (other than dashboard) and it pops up.  then all the others do also (except dashboard).

Appears what broke is in the dashboard section...  I will try to copy old dashboard section from a backup into present HG file groups.xml.   

no  luck yet

 on: June 20, 2019, 11:19:23 AM 
Started by mike - Last post by mike

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade

gave a pretty scary message and made me enter q to continue:

wpasupplicant (2:2.6-19) unstable; urgency=medium

  With this release, wpasupplicant no longer respects the system
  default minimum TLS version, defaulting to TLSv1.0, not TLSv1.2. If
  you're sure you will never connect to EAP networks requiring anything less
  than 1.2, add this to your wpasupplicant configuration:


  wpasupplicant also defaults to a security level 1, instead of the system
  default 2. Should you need to change that, change this setting in your
  wpasupplicant configuration:


  Unlike wpasupplicant, hostapd still respects system defaults.

 -- Andrej Shadura <>  Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:22:18 +0100

 on: June 20, 2019, 10:55:52 AM 
Started by mike - Last post by mike
me too;  why I thought the pixel updates wouldn't do anything for me.

 on: June 20, 2019, 10:55:44 AM 
Started by Tuicemen - Last post by bkenobi
Your post speaking about AI also said you have been using voice control for over a decade and that we shouldn't consider AI "magic, scary, or creepy".  I was simply pointing out that if you are linking the two together with the goal of saying voice control is not "magic, scary, or creepy" then you are saying current tech (Alexa) is simply voice control OR that BVC was AI.  If that wasn't the case, then the "magic, scary, or creepy" statement makes no sense.

If I rode a bicycle for 5 years and then a motorcycle for the next 5 I could say I have ridden for a decade.  But, it would not be true to say as a blanket statement that I have 10 years experience with riding when referring to motorcycles.  They both have 2 wheels and you can be killed on either however, one is a bit different than the other.

 on: June 20, 2019, 10:47:14 AM 
Started by mike - Last post by bkenobi
I don't use a GUI with my RPi.  I'm strictly shell and happy with it for my HA needs.

 on: June 20, 2019, 10:42:46 AM 
Started by Tuicemen - Last post by bkenobi
True this still does not have all the current drivers. That is up to the end user to keep up with.

But I thought the whole point of the hub was to make it transparent to the user.  In the docs for the hub it never says "if you don't maintain the distribution things will stop working."  Having used HG for years, I understand that this will happen and have accepted that if I don't work on it at least once a month I will lose functionality.  The user base for the hub is not going to perform any updates ever unless they have it built in.  Since the process can't really be done that way and the system will stop working without updates...

 on: June 20, 2019, 09:50:28 AM 
Started by mike - Last post by mike

Then there's the different distributions of Raspbian, Wheezy (which should be retired by now but still in use by some) Jessie which has reached end of life and Stretch which will be shortly replaced by Buster.

What about updating stretch to Raspbian Pixel?

 on: June 19, 2019, 10:51:38 PM 
Started by Tuicemen - Last post by HA Dave
Are you suggesting that BVC was AI as well .....

No. But NOT "because there was a voice who spoke". I have never once suggested such a silly thing. I don't know why you would post such a silly idea.... I REALLY don't.

BVC was a sweet and simple program... that exploited a larger MS program. But it wasn't AI.... because the international experts all agreed that SAPI5 was NOT AI. Period. It doesn't matter what You, me, Bill himself..... or some random poll thought was, or is, AI.

We can all have opinions.... every human has opinions. But few have expert opinions. The experts are all calling Alexa AI. So... consider yourself the "greater expert" if you wish.... if your ego is that hungry.

 on: June 19, 2019, 04:10:22 PM 
Started by mike - Last post by petera
It's important that when using programs outside of the standard HG package they are compiled properly and tested in the environment they are being used in before they go live. Just because something I design works for me it doesnt mean it will work for everyone else.

There are so many variations in hardware that can be used when running HG.You only have to look at the vast range of Raspberry Pi boards available and all the subtle differences between them and how they impact on the performance of HG. And that's only the start of the hardware range.

Then there's the different distributions of Raspbian, Wheezy (which should be retired by now but still in use by some) Jessie which has reached end of life and Stretch which will be shortly replaced by Buster.

Then there's the versions of Mono to consider that run on the above. We know well how this affects the likes of running an email notification when considering valid SSL certs. This problem has been highlighted both here and on other forums.

I could go on all day highlighting possible causes of instability with HG. That's why when reporting an issue with the software you should include the hardware its running on, the version of OS it's installed on and the version of Mono being used along with the relevant logs that reflect the issue as and when it's happening.

I highly recommend using the Raspberry Pi 3+ with the latest version of Raspbian fully updated and optionally a version of Mono that has proven to work satisfactorily with HG unless you only intend to run a basic X10 setup which in that case a Raspberry Pi Zero would do. Few choose to do this.

Again installing HG from official sources will help avoid installing any possible instabilities into your system. You can always import any external hgx files once they are proven to work on your setup along with any other configs that users contribute from time to time.

The above in my opinion is the best way to learn about HG and what it has to offer. It one of the easier software to install and configure albeit with the irregular and sporadic maintenance it receives from it maintainer as mentioned by @bkenobi . It's definitely ideal to get you started in the home automation world and an ideal primer for other open source home automation software.

 on: June 19, 2019, 12:05:40 PM 
Started by mike - Last post by bkenobi
IMO, I would not hold my breath for an update from Gene.  My experience has been that HG gets a bunch of updates clustered together when he has time/motivation to make some changes and then there is a long hiatus where nothing happens.  That used to be a week or a month when HG was being developed heavily.  In the last couple years, there were almost zero updates before Gene returned for the current round (last 6 months or so).

TBF, it's a free/open source product that Gene has never made any significant income on so it really shouldn't be his primary focus.  I think it's a great software for what it can do.  And in some ways (X10 RF) it is far superior to pretty much all other HA software.  It's a shame that his X10 interface can't be opened up to be used as an improvement for other tools but since it's based on .NET (Mono) it's not an option.

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