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Disappointed Customer

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Re: Hardware Differences between Reg and Diag. Units
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2005, 02:07:08 PM »

Roger H:  I fell better already... as soon
as I find the difference of your count in my
wallet.
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carmine pacifico

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Re: Hardware Differences between Reg and Diag. Units
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2005, 02:17:16 PM »

Well, another upgrade, some problems fixed
and some new problems are added;
The soap opera continues

ďActiveHome Pro update to v3.186 availableĒ
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tcassio

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Re: Hardware Differences between Reg and Diag. Units
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2005, 03:14:36 PM »

As far as price and reliability goes,
compare AHP with smartmacros to the
Smarthome 1132CUP.
AHP with Smartmacros (lets face it AHP is
useless without Smartmacros)= $100

Smarthome 1132CPU (includes conditional
logic)=$100.

The quaility and reliability of the 1132CU
far exceeds the X10 product. Smarthome
managed to produce a product that is high
quality and very reliable, why can't X10,
well maybe it has to do with GREED.  Its
not only the poor quality of the CM15A,
alot of X10's problems are due to the fact
that there tech support is non existant.
Anyone who owns there product has no clue
as to what X10's intensions are with
respect to fixing the problems that exist.

I spent 6 weeks trying to get the CM15A to
work properly and then realized that it
wont. I went with the smarthome product.
It took me a total of 3 hours to set up the
1132CU and has workrd flawlessly since.
The hours spent trying to figure out what
was wrong with my setup of the CM15A cost
me a whole lot more than the $100 I spent
on said equipment.
T.  
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carmine pacifico

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Re: Hardware Differences between Reg and Diag. Units
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2005, 04:26:45 PM »

As Tcassio put it , Smarthome 1132CUP has
all the features I want: Battery backup
Hardware  Real Time Clock, NO AAA battery
required(no battery replacement for the
life of the product), has 32K external
memory for macros;
The software is less user friendly than
AHP, but more powerful, and most of all it
WORKS.
CM15a + external Transceiver = 1132CU +
external Transceiver; as you can see
smarthome has built a better mouse trap at
the same price; X10 pricing is deceiving it
just looks cheaper, if you put any value on
your time ( even $1 per hour) X10 products
are the most expensive on the market.
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roger1818

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Re: Hardware Differences between Reg and Diag. Units
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2005, 04:50:00 PM »

Tcassio:  First of all, I donít think AHP
is useless without SmartMacros.  Donít get
me wrong, SmartMacros are very nice, but it
isnít useless without them.

Secondly, if you want to compare apples to
apples you need to compare the 1132CUP + a
whole house receiver with AHP +
SmartMacros.  The V572AB Whole House
Receiver, for example, is $80 at Automated
Outlet.
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carmine pacifico

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Re: Hardware Differences between Reg and Diag. Units
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2005, 05:02:10 PM »

Roger

The CM15a currently has a useless RF range.
In another thread most user agree that
CM15a + V572AB is the best solution at this
time, incidentally the 1132CU( no smart
macros) is $69.99, so is a customer choice:
Pay a little more for something that work,
or keep waiting for a miracle to happen.
The choice is yours
My 1132CUP is working great
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carmine pacifico

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Re: Hardware Differences between Reg and Diag. Units
« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2005, 05:16:25 PM »

Roger

My mistake, at Automated Outlet the 1132CU
is $59.99
1132CUP(smart macros) $99.99
Is $10 more too much to pay for something
that does work?
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roger1818

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Re: Hardware Differences between Reg and Diag. Units
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2005, 10:49:55 AM »

Carmine:  Whether the RF range of the CM15A
is useful or not is irrelevant to my
argument.  Tcassio was comparing the PRICE
and RELIABILITY of the 1132CUP to AHP +
SmartMacros.  What I am saying is that the
1132CU doesnít have the extra hardware
required for it to act as a transceiver and
this extra hardware costs money.

This comparison is like wondering why a
Ford Taurus isnít as reliable as a Toyota
Camry when FULLY LOADED Taurus costs the
same as a BARE-BONES Toyota Camry.  The
more options you add, the more it is going
to cost.  If the cost doesnít go up,
something else has to give.
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Observer

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Re: Hardware Differences between Reg and Diag. Units
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2005, 02:41:20 PM »

Roger H:

Either something works or it doesn't.  It's
like being pregnant no one is "somewhat"
pregnant.

My X10 application that worked with outside
lights, cameras, and motion sensors using
Commander II, DON'T WORK WITH AHP/CM15A!
BECAUSE THE RF CANĒT SEE THE SENSORS NOR
HANDLE THE RATE!!!!
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Observer

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Re: Hardware Differences between Reg and Diag. Units
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2005, 02:43:25 PM »

Roger H:  That is not fully loaded or
even "bare Rimed" without tires!  Get the
picture IT IS WORTHLESS!
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carmine pacifico

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Re: Hardware Differences between Reg and Diag. Units
« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2005, 03:27:50 PM »

Roger and others with similar feelings

I would like to know what is this emotional
attachment to the CM15a; as it is, it does
not work all of the time, and it not very
useful without an external transceiver.
All component on my system are X10, the
RR501 is working great (I had no idea it
has collision detect) thanks to X10 Pro
suggestion, the only device that itís not
X10 is the 1132CU; X10 has been very
understanding and just notified me they are
refunding my money in full.
I simply needed something working stand
alone now, We have a 10 month old baby, and
when the lights turn on full in stairs he
usually wakes up, now he enjoys a full
night sleep, and finally my wife and I are
getting some rest.
If the CM15a meets your requirement use it,
but please lets not get emotional about.
Years back I used to sale and service
engraving machine and supplies, on one
sales call I realized that the customer
would have been better off with a
competitor machine, I suggested to them the
competitor machine, we lost a $25000 one
time sale, but we gained the supply
business of this new customer; at the end
we had a net gain  and a happy customer.
X10 will eventually have the CM15a working.
If you need a fully working solution now,
there are alternatives, and letís get some
sleep (oops, I mean letís have some fun).
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Observer

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Re: Hardware Differences between Reg and Diag. Units
« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2005, 05:21:09 PM »

Carmine:

Diplomatic words,  they bought you off.  You
can't possibly believe that they will fix
the AHP/CM15A.  They have yet to put out a
piece of application software that is even
somewhat reliable let alone rock hard
dependable.  Just look at their track record:

FireCracker  -- Command Buffer display
emplty.
MultiView  -- A slue of anomalies and its
been out how many years?
XrayVision -- 3 year old bugs still there.
AH  -- 2 year old bugs still there.
AHP/CM15A -- 8 months and old bugs still
there RF not even a commitment!
You are too pregmatic to buy into that crap.

But you got what you wanted... may be (the
check is in the mail). :-)
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