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LouisJr

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Re: Possible New Filter Design
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2012, 03:08:08 PM »

I use quite a few XPPF filters and several AF-120 filters.  This filter looks like it would cover more problems than the AF-120 at enough current for some of the bigger loads like UPS units, home theater power buss, etc. up to maybe 1,000 watts?  I have smoked a few XPPF filters at what I thought were acceptable current levels.  Jeff, I guess you will post if and when you decide?
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Re: Possible New Filter Design
« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2012, 03:24:25 PM »

Jeff, I guess you will post if and when you decide?

I expect to receive the first batch of PCBs in another week, and the filter should be added to my product line around May 20.  It will be fused at 10A to handle most applications.

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Re: Possible New Filter Design
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2012, 06:08:13 PM »

Here is a photo of the prototype:



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Re: Possible New Filter Design
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2012, 06:32:24 PM »

Jeff; Thank you for the update on the filter project.
Looks good and I am sure it will be a great help to X10 users with noise problems.
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Re: Possible New Filter Design
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2012, 10:58:26 AM »

Update:  These are now listed on the XTB Ordering page both in kit and assembled form.

I am also considering a higher current version with two receptacles on the cover if there is enough interest.

Jeff
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Re: Possible New Filter Design
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2012, 12:53:17 AM »


There have been several requests for a higher current version of the XTB-F10, and I will be offering a 15A version.  The in-band filtering of both filters is similar, but the out-of-band performance of the F10 is slightly better because of its lower Q.  That is a function of the values available for the higher current inductors.

The higher current version does not contain an internal fuse.  Actually, the inductors are rated in excess of 15A, and the limit is due to the AC receptacle itself.  (There is not sufficient clearance for two receptacles on the cover.)

Looking at the fuse curves, higher current fuses don't really offer much protection.  It takes a lot of heat to melt the heavy conductor in the high-current fuses, and they dissipate about 4W at max current.  Both 15A slow-blow and fast-blow fuses will typically pass 30A for 1000 seconds before they pop.  Since a 15A fuse doesn't offer as much protection as a typical circuit breaker feeding the circuit, I chose to eliminate the fuse and save the dissipation.

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Re: Possible New Filter Design
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2012, 04:07:09 PM »

Your new filters look great!
One question... are the copper traces heavy enough to carry the 10A?
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Re: Possible New Filter Design
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2012, 06:14:12 PM »

One question... are the copper traces heavy enough to carry the 10A?

There are duplicate traces on both sides for the high current paths.  The first run of PCBs has 1 ounce copper, which is rated for 10C rise at 14A at that trace width.  That is less than the temperature rise in the inductors at max current.  The 15A version has 4 ounce copper, and the temperature rise at max current will be insignificant.

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Re: Possible New Filter Design
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2012, 07:35:03 PM »

Great!  Thanks for the info.
As always, Jeff designs VERY good tools and products!  Very professional and well built!
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