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mboy

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Wont turn off no matter what
« on: March 15, 2012, 07:24:13 PM »

 IBM Home Director 3 pin appliance modules.

2 bedroom lamps with identical CL bulbs (and already swapped with others).   1 lamp works fine (as does my living room). No matter which appliance module I plug in, I can not get the light to turn off. I have changed the address, etc.  They all work fine with the other lamp.
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Brian H

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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2012, 07:35:10 PM »

A typical can't turn it Off but no problem On. Indicates the load maybe making lots of power line noise when On and the Off never gets to it.
If you try that location with a different load does it then work? Maybe an incandescent bulb for the test.
Also could be a poor power line signal to that area and the CFL maybe just enough extra noise or signal absorber to again stop an Off from working.

Are you using any Phase Coupling between the homes incoming power feed?
If the bedroom has different feed for the outlets. The problem one could be on the opposite phase of the power and not getting much of a signal.
Do you have any filters in use on possible noise makers or signal suckers?

http://jvde.us/x10_troubleshooting.htm
http://www.act-remote.com/PCC/uncle.htm
http://www.davehouston.net/
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2012, 05:48:00 AM »

Thanx Brian. I will try a different lamp there.  I have to go and buy a regular bulb to try as well.

No idea about the other stuff.  It is a condo and I am not really up on wiring and electrical stuff :(
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2012, 06:03:25 AM »

If the construction is fairly new. Bedrooms maybe powered by an Arc-Breaker for safety. Some are known to be X10 signal problem makers.

Do you know off hand. If your high power devices like an electric stove or dryer, are 220 or 208 volts? I have seen some larger condo complexes and housing developments. Being three phase and not split single phase.

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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2012, 10:28:13 AM »

Condo was built in 1988 I believe.
Stove and dryer are gas.

I really have no idea about the 220 or 208?  How can I tell?
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2012, 10:34:46 AM »

If you can't tell if it is 208 or 220. I would not worry about it.
It would have shown if the condo complex used three phase and each unit maybe alternating between two of the three lines.
Maybe the maintenance person may know.
X10 protocol should be able to work with a three phase feed.
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2012, 11:15:04 AM »

Its the wierdest thing. So far it is the only outlet I am having trouble with.  I may just have to run an extension to the outlet where the other end table lamp is plugged in and run it off of that.  Is that possible?
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2012, 11:21:25 AM »

Testing with an extension cord to the working outlet could give some clues.
The outlet is a standard one and not a GFCI is it?
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2012, 12:45:50 PM »

It is standard and the other identical lamp plugged into it works fine with the appliance module.
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2012, 02:08:18 PM »

It is standard and the other identical lamp plugged into it works fine with the appliance module.
My OGS is acting up (Old Geezer Syndrome) and I lost track of elements in this thread, but doesn't that pin point the problem to one specific CFL bulb?
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2012, 03:14:44 PM »

No Dave. I have swapped the bulb. From other lamps that were working fine.  I have not swapped the actual lamp yet, but I would have hard time beliveing it was the actual lamp itself.
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2012, 03:19:33 PM »

The lamp doesn't have a built in dimmer or touch control does it?
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2012, 03:27:01 PM »

Nope. and the lamp on the other night stand that is working fine is exactly the same as this one that isn't.
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2012, 04:05:35 PM »

I believe you hadn't try swapping the troubled lamp and one that works positions.
Maybe that would be the next thing to try.
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2012, 04:09:46 PM »

Exactly what I am going to do when I get home.  I will let you know how it goes.  I really appreciate your help.
Thank you.
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