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mboy

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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2012, 05:29:21 PM »

Ok, it is def the outlet. The other lamp there did same thing. I moved it to another socket and all worked perfectly fine, so is def the outlet.
I did notice the utlet was cracked and loose, so maybe that is the problem?

I rent and know very little about wiring and stuff, but if this outlet is the prob, I am sure I can swap it out.

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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2012, 06:06:47 PM »

I doubt the outlet is the issue unless it's got some kind of arcing going on.  If so, that would cause noise on the line and, much more importantly, would be a safety concern.  If it's cracked, I'd seriously consider changing it.  If you plug an appliance in and if it feels lose, then the contacts are bent (probably through wear), so I'd replace the outlet.  If you can do it yourself, this is definitely a good first step, but probably not the ultimate solution IMO.

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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2012, 06:15:34 PM »

After all the tests. I do feel it is the outlet itself.
Cracked and loose contacts as pointed out could be a poor connection.
When On there maybe some arcing even from the small load a CFL presents or the CFLs electronics are reacting to the dirty AC from the Arc.
I would get the outlet changed.
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2012, 07:13:47 PM »

I am going to take care of it.
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2012, 06:36:06 AM »

When you have the cracked outlet changed.
With the breaker for that outlet is turned off does the other outlet in the room stays on? If it does then they are on different circuits and bkenobi's thought about signal issues maybe the problem. Since you also have signal issues to a Socket Rocket on your porch.
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2012, 10:25:31 AM »

They are on same circuit for sure. Flipped the breaker and they both went out.
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2012, 10:45:37 AM »

No Dave. I have swapped the bulb. From other lamps that were working fine.  I have not swapped the actual lamp yet, but I would have hard time beliveing it was the actual lamp itself.

No, you are right. It isn't likely to be the lamp, unless it could be intermitent and momentarly open circuit when it gets warm. You would have caught that.No help here...sorry.
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2012, 10:47:58 AM »

Thanks for the feedback on the outlets both using the same circuit.
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2012, 11:12:31 AM »

Going to try and swap it out this weekend.

So, in regards to the socket rocket, what do I do if they are on different wiring or phases? What do I need to make it work with my cm15a?

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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2012, 12:27:35 PM »

What do I need to make it work with my cm15a?
Turn on the oven or dryer. They will provide a temporary bridge between phases. If the lights then work, you'll need a phase coupler for a more permanent solution (unless you want to do a lot of baking or take in laundry) but I'll let others more current on available hardware make recommendations.

You likely get just enough signal through to turn on the BR lamp but it then puts out just enough noise to block the weak OFF signal.

If the oven/dryer don't help, you need to track down whatever gear is attenuating the signal. It will be something between (electrically) the CM15A and this circuit. What else went off with the breaker? Leave them unplugged and test again, plugging them back in one-by-one until you  find the culprit(s).
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2012, 01:01:23 PM »

My computer room shut own completely when I flipped breaker off. Including the cm15a.  I will turn dryer on now and test
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2012, 01:10:07 PM »

Ok, so I turned dryer on an low n behold it worked :). Turned dryer off and still works.  WEIRD

Now I just need to address the one outlet and I am golden.  I would also like to report the cflbulbsdo work in my socket rocket. 
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2012, 01:25:33 PM »

Here is pic of outlet  3 wires?

What type should I get to replace this?
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2012, 02:07:05 PM »

Now I just need to address the one outlet and I am golden. 

Probably, not! You have marginal coupling between phases and/or have a noise-source/signal-attenuator and the gear in your computer room are the prime suspects. The problem is likely to reappear.
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Re: Wont turn off no matter what
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2012, 03:31:58 PM »

Looks like a standard duplex outlet. Any hardware or home improvement place should have one.
The original looks like it used the push in connection. You will find a slot where a small screwdriver can be pushed in to unlock the wires. Most of us just cut it off as close to the old body. Strip the wire and use the screw connection over the push in connection. Many replacement outlets have a screw and push in attachment.

I would say an X10 friendly filter on the computer equipment and do not have the CM15A on the filtered side with the other equipment.
A phase coupler maybe also needed.
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