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Re: Good advice for HA device suppliers
« Reply #45 on: July 29, 2016, 04:29:27 PM »

Now why would the police go to all that trouble and expense to lure miscreants to friend them on Facebook when they can access (for free) the FBI facial recognition database full of driver's license and other photo ID pix and then search that database for criminal records?
Hmm, maybe that's why I never met many of those cops at Mensa meetings.  rofl

http://www.techlicious.com/blog/how-police-use-facial-recognition-software-to-ID-you/
http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/16/technology/security/fbi-facial-recognition/index.html
https://gcn.com/articles/2012/08/20/fbi-facial-recognition-software-open-to-police.aspx
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/06/21/fbi-facial-recognition-database-ten-times-larger-promised-90-non-criminals/

BTW, I believe the Cincinnati police and the OHP can do this from terminals in their patrol cars.

And, just how is the typical person going to build their own Facebook based facial recognition database or flag those people already on Facebook who happen to be criminals? Or is that a new Facebook service?

Due to my spinal cord injury (in layman's terms my headbone is no longer connected to my neckbone), I rarely leave my residence and have no need of a smartphone or security cameras so I cannot provide step-by-step instructions. Those who do can set things up to get a text message alert when the doorbell rings and then they connect to their security cameras and use their low-tech eyeballs to see who's at the door. And, if their teenage daughter lets a stranger in, they can ground her, cancel her allowance or, horror of horrors, confiscate her smartphone until she learns her lesson. Or, perhaps, just call 911 and report a prowler.

Anyway, my motto is "facepalm, frequently - faceplant, rarely - Facebook, NEVER!"
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Re: Good advice for HA device suppliers
« Reply #46 on: July 29, 2016, 05:39:34 PM »

Never MyBooked/FaceSpaced myself, but I figure my wife lets everyone on the cloud know what I'm doing whether I like it or not.

My TV is an old CRT Sony Wega XBR circa 2002.
How many watts? My 50" Vizio flatscreen is 75W.

Even remote areas without landlines can get high speed satellite feeds.
http://internet.hughesnet.com/plans-and-pricing.html

I measured the draw of my HT setup and with everything turned on (nothing coming out the speakers though) I saw 300W.  I don't recall if I checked the TV by itself.

When I bought my home, I could only get DSL at my location as cable was 2 miles down the road and not expanding any time soon.  I could have opted for satellite, but it was WAY too costly based on the plans I considered.  My DSL is technically upgradable, but looking at the costs, it was pretty spendy as well.  Last year a new cable company expanded lines to the end of my street so I could hook up.  At that time, they said to run them underground (I have all utilities underground due to the trees) it would be $3000.  I said NOPE!  A few months back I checked and they said they could install for free, but could not guarantee they wouldn't cut my utilities as they used their digging tools.  I don't want to have to redo my sprinkler system, so I opted not to install now since their prices for similar speeds were significantly higher.  Some day I'll get cable but just not now.

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Re: Good advice for HA device suppliers
« Reply #48 on: July 30, 2016, 01:58:32 PM »

Now why would the police go to all that trouble and expense to lure miscreants to friend them on Facebook when they can access (for free) the FBI facial recognition database full of driver's license and other photo ID pix and then search that database for criminal records?
Hmm, maybe that's why I never met many of those cops at Mensa meetings.  rofl

Yeah... all those stupid cops really need YOU to tell them how to find criminals (with no known record). Maybe cops aren't afraid of the cloud... cause they carry guns. rofl

http://www.techlicious.com/blog/how-police-use-facial-recognition-software-to-ID-you/
http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/16/technology/security/fbi-facial-recognition/index.html
https://gcn.com/articles/2012/08/20/fbi-facial-recognition-software-open-to-police.aspx
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/06/21/fbi-facial-recognition-database-ten-times-larger-promised-90-non-criminals/

WOW a string of searches like that should get the NSA's attention! But that's about it. They serve no purpose. Links to google searches.... is like a 12 years old book report written after watching the movie.

And, just how is the typical person going to build their own Facebook based facial recognition database or flag those people already on Facebook who happen to be criminals? Or is that a new Facebook service?

As proficient as you appear to be with a google search.... I will assume that to be a rhetorical question that you really don't what to learn anything about. Particularly.... when I read your post (below). I myself use the technology. But isn't that what Home Automation is all about?!?!? Exploiting the latest available technology to enhance my life and the life of those around me.

......... Those who do can set things up to get a text message alert when the doorbell rings and then they connect to their security cameras and use their low-tech eyeballs to see who's at the door. And, if their teenage daughter lets a stranger in, they can ground her, cancel her allowance or, horror of horrors, confiscate her smartphone until she learns her lesson. Or, perhaps, just call 911 and report a prowler.

Anyway, my motto is "facepalm, frequently - faceplant, rarely - Facebook, NEVER!"
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Re: Good advice for HA device suppliers
« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2016, 03:25:54 PM »

I seldom use Google but a few seconds of laborious web searching with Bing found nearly 15 million pages on how to Access IP Camera from Internet
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Access+IP+Camera+from+Internet&FORM=QSRE1

While I've yet to read all of them, the first few appear to say more or less the same thing and they don't seem to rely on clouds. It's remarkably similar to the steps followed in the thread by sheltiemom that I referenced earlier in this thread. One link is even from noip.com the free DDNS service that sheltiemom uses.
http://www.noip.com/support/knowledgebase/how-to-setup-a-webcam-and-access-it-from-anywhere/

Why, there's even a free iPhone app but it's not clear whether it relies on clouds.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/icamviewer-cctv-camera-ip/id346469891?mt=8

And, I'm still not sure whether any of them tell how to link to facial recognition databases.  :-[
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« Reply #50 on: July 30, 2016, 04:34:46 PM »

One of the (secret) methods police are using now is creating social media (Facebook) accounts. The police fake accounts are often friended with and/or pretending to be known criminals. So when a security camera catches an image of a thug selling drugs (or even a terrorist at the airport) police can load the image to Facebook and let their facial recognition identify the person for tagging. An EXCELLENT use for cloud tech.

That's not new. I recall reading about a system called Telescreen that could identify criminal intent, with something so small as a facial expression resulting in arrest. That was written about more than 50 years ago by some guy named Orville or Ohwell or something like that.
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Re: Good advice for HA device suppliers
« Reply #51 on: July 30, 2016, 09:05:47 PM »

....... a few seconds of laborious web searching with Bing found nearly 15 million pages ............ And, I'm still not sure whether any of them tell how to link to facial recognition databases.  :-[

Looks like you've got some reading to do.
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Re: Good advice for HA device suppliers
« Reply #52 on: August 16, 2016, 11:46:49 AM »

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/08/22/londons-super-recognizer-police-force?mbid=gnep&intcid=gnep&google_editors_picks=true

The link above is about a special London police unit composed of officers who have proven to be far above average at facial recognition. It's a very long, in-depth, nerdy article that few here will want to wade through but there is one paragraph that addresses some of the misinformation in this thread. I quote the beginning of that paragraph below.

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After the 2011 London riots, the Met gathered two hundred thousand hours of CCTV footage. Computer facial-recognition systems identified one rioter. Gary Collins, the super-recognizer, identified a hundred and ninety.
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