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Author Topic: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?  (Read 2533 times)

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Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2018, 12:12:17 PM »

I installed the app before I bought the module but it will not allow me to do a sample program.
And the doc doesn't answer my questions.
I currently have an 1132CU that has become less then reliable.
I have the following needs .
Dusk/Dawn Timer?
Is it set up by Longitude and latitude?
Does is track daily changes in dusk dawn times?
Can you set the Dusk/dawn timer to trigger before or after?
What about security settings?
Where is the schedule stored Phone or WM100?

it has dusk dawn timers with currently 30 min off sets for before or after.
Daily changes in dusk dawn times are calculated and originally set from your setup phones location.
I'm not sure what you mean by security settings for the timers so they go on off at different times from day to day ? or APP SECURITY? or X10 security? or something else.
the settings are stored both on the WM100.
there is a update scheduled for the app which originally was to be today but that has been delayed due to a issue with apple store.
this update was to address some issues with the DST and dusk dawn some users experienced as well as add some extra options to the timers like longer offsets for dusk dawn.  >!
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Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2018, 02:44:16 AM »

Looks like it will fit my needs.
The security Option is to randomize the time
by plus/minus 15 minutes each day.
So timers are stored on the WM100.
If the phone is turned off the schedule still operates?
The cloud is not necessary?

And I can see there is support for the product.
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Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2018, 02:56:02 AM »

There is a security option in the timers however I've never played with it in to much detail other then in initial testing.

If the phone is off timers still work the app doesn't need to be left running on your Phone as that would drain it.

The cloud isn't needed for timers to work however if you have no internet there is no access currently to the WM100 to manually switch devices, activate scenes, setup, or modify anything. :( Hopefuly this will change with future updates.
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Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2018, 03:41:03 AM »

Thats great.
I have local control by palm remote so no phone necessary.
For me it will easily replace my 1132CU or CM11A
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Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2018, 01:01:03 AM »

I got the WM100 last night and set it up. If you have timers your in. Its quite simple to set up. I am not sure how Dusk/Dawn works
and have a question in to tech support. I think these guys are going in a good direction so people can use all the x10 switching devices out there with a standalone interface. They have a bit of work ahead of them. Meanwhile my 1132CU is offline for now.
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Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2018, 01:13:01 AM »

your question may have been able to be answered here faster.
Currently here is one dusk and one dawn option for each module and the only show up after you have set and saved the device.
I had hoped we would have seen the update by now as to provide more info. There is to besome extra things added to the timers and possible somethings removed (hidden)from my test app.
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Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2018, 08:25:25 AM »

OK
So here is what I basically asked them.
First of all my Dawn timers didn't work me. Or should I say they triggered at 5 and 5:30 (I had several at Dawn-30).
Here in Miami Sunrise was at 6:31. So I asked how they deal with Dusk/Dawn.
My phone is set auto time zone ( network provided).
But what exactly is the Dawn time in the module?
An I also posted another point. Sunrise in NY was roughly 72 minutes earlier at 5:26. Both in the eastern time zone.
So what is the module Dusk/Dawn time? I think they got a problem with this approach unless the user can tweak the Dusk/Dawn times.
I am not sure how they did it with the 1132CU but it worked. I also asked if they could have a way to email the wifi history and settings for debugging.
I put some other things in there but can't remember.
For me if I work out the Dusk/Dawn issue the 1132CU's and the CM11A and all the other legacy X10 control modules I have go on ebay or in the garbage. They have what appears to be a really good start.
I didn't put in some other things like extended codes like status requests. So the firmware could periodically check to see if the module is in the proper state. Its pretty simple stuff like a heartbeat.
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Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2018, 09:12:35 AM »

The 1132CU with Smart Home Manager used a file called LatLong.ini.
When you set the Sunrise Sunset. You picked a state and close city. It has Latitude and Longitude settings in it. For the state and close city. Some of us modified the ini file so that the incorrect DST change dates that where not fixed where correct.
We turned Off DST and twice a year at the change date. To get the correct Sunrise and Sunset.
Here are two lines from the file. New York and Miami Florida.

USA,New York,NYC-CentralPark,40,N,73,W,-5
USA,Florida,Miami,25,N,80,W,-5

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Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2018, 09:41:09 AM »

the dusk dawn times don't currently work correctly.
this is what is being fixed some users have no issues they work on time others such as your self are seeing it off by up to 2.5 hours.
To make things worse DST messed up dusk dawn times for those that had it working correctly and fixed it for those that didn't.
I doubt you'll get an answer to your questions as the app developer coded how these work. And this code has now been changed for the next update.
Basically the app gets your location (on initial setup) from the phone lat/long then forwards that to the WM where the math is done. Obviously the math has a flaw but the update appears to have fixed that.
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Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2018, 11:31:14 AM »

The 1132CU with Smart Home Manager used a file called LatLong.ini.


USA,New York,NYC-CentralPark,40,N,73,W,-5
USA,Florida,Miami,25,N,80,W,-5
I am well aware of the Smarthome  INI file and have a custom one for my latitude and longitude as well as the DST mod.


Tomorrow morning I will be able to figure out the differential in the dusk dawn times. And may be able to figure out a
work around.
Looks like the 1132CU going back in!
Man I hope I didn't throw out 100 bucks.
Back to my SONOFF project.


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Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2018, 01:27:29 AM »

Dusk/Dawn Timers don't work. Although the times changed by 1 minute they fired at the same time as yesterday.
I am going back to my 1132CU at least it works.
Any idea when they are going to have the next release out.

By the way does anyone now a days execute a test plan on code?
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Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2018, 01:56:46 AM »

By the way does anyone now a days execute a test plan on code?
The current code was tested and worked for those testing it, however it is obvious the developer (being in China) had no concept of DST as that messed up things for some that the code worked for pior. B:(
I'll see what I can find out about the update. Apple had requested some changes before they would allow the update posted in their stores, this is what has created the latest delay.
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Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2018, 12:02:36 PM »

The issue is still the iOS though I'm not sure why this is taking so long to remedy. B:(
The developer knew about the incompatibility of the new iOS weeks prior to announcing a update estimated release date.
 B:(
We need the protocol released! >*<
We'd have working apps for most likely all OS flavors by now with most the options users are waiting for.
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Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2018, 12:14:15 AM »

I have to yank my WM100 out. Its just not working for me. I deleted all the Dusk/Dawn timers and put fixed timers in. But they don't
work reliably. I monitor the x10 commands
I would like to see the timers have the option to do multiple transmissions.
I would like to have a scene triggered by a timer.
For now its back to the 1132CU. It works all the time! I use multiple timers I am guaranteed.
As each incandescent lamp gets replaced by and LED or CFL and appliances using power supplies you are injecting more noise on the power line.
With burst transmissions at least you have a fighting chance.

To bad the code isn't open source.
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Re: Will the X10 WIFI app and WM100 replace AHP and the CM15?
« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2018, 01:01:44 AM »

To bad the code isn't open source.
I'm told this is comming unfortunately not soon enough. B:(
This unit has great potential. My WM100 is still in use but I have the new firmware and test update so dusk/dawn timers work for me.
Still the WM100 is only doing 1/4 of what CM15 & AHP did. Since picking up a Pi and merging it with the CM15 I now have a power system.
I too will be removing the WM100 from my Off grid setup by fall if the developer doesn't get moving with the app.
Currently the WM100 is only used there for remote access and my Pi CM15 combo allows that too.
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