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Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
« Reply #90 on: September 13, 2018, 10:05:16 PM »

I'm a bit confused  :o Raspberry to make just a new daughter board, or the whole new X10 module?

If there is enough projected volume, maybe Raspberry would repackage their existing Pi so it would fit into the same form factor as the existing WM100 daughter board.  So no new case would be needed.  Then Authinx or a subcontractor could procure just the base WM100 PCB and power supply, and install the Raspberry daughter board in the existing case to create a real WM100 Pro.

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Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
« Reply #91 on: September 14, 2018, 07:51:41 AM »

I'm a bit confused  :o Raspberry to make just a new daughter board, or the whole new X10 module?

If there is enough projected volume, maybe Raspberry would repackage their existing Pi so it would fit into the same form factor as the existing WM100 daughter board.  So no new case would be needed.  Then Authinx or a subcontractor could procure just the base WM100 PCB and power supply, and install the Raspberry daughter board in the existing case to create a real WM100 Pro.

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Raspberry Pi manufacturers don't actively encourage commercial exploitation of their products. Their ethos is based on a purely educational one and in fact they discourage volume sales of their units. They are not likely to redesign their boards for commercial purposes.

You are more likely to open discussions on this subject with the makers of OrangePi http://www.orangepi.org/orangepizero/ which has the same look and feel of the Raspberry Pi Zero W and should be as easily programmable.

I'm going to order one soon to evaluate its suitability.
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Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
« Reply #92 on: September 14, 2018, 07:54:50 AM »

sadly the Zero appears to be a bit to wide to fit where the daughter board was with out modifying it or the WM :( .
I had hoped they were the same width.
How wide is the WM100 daughterboard?
Would a 25.4mm wide D1mini Pro fit in its space? https://wiki.wemos.cc/products:d1:d1_mini_pro
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Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
« Reply #93 on: September 14, 2018, 08:28:13 AM »

sadly the Zero appears to be a bit to wide to fit where the daughter board was with out modifying it or the WM :( .
I had hoped they were the same width.
How wide is the WM100 daughterboard?
Would a 25.4mm wide D1mini Pro fit in its space? https://wiki.wemos.cc/products:d1:d1_mini_pro
the daughter board is 24 X 50 mm, space available I think is 25 X75 mm there may be a number of boards that may work as a replacement as the manufactures of these constantly improve an shrink thier boards.
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Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
« Reply #94 on: September 14, 2018, 08:50:14 AM »

I also don't believe the pi developers would be interested in creating  a specialty module though there are other manufactures that may jump at the chance.
There real trick is creating the software to talk to the WM.
If/when end users figure this out anything will be possible but then we probably wouldn't need a different daughter board other then to supply a usb connection for other devices. ::) :'
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Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
« Reply #95 on: September 15, 2018, 02:41:46 PM »

The daughterboard has LECONIOT beneath a logo.

A little searching turns up http://leconiot.com/ but my inability to read Chinese leaves me confused.

Then https://apkplz.com/android-apps/wijit-automation indicates that Authinx, Inc. is the developer of the Wijit APK leaving me even further confused.

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Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
« Reply #96 on: September 15, 2018, 03:10:53 PM »

The daughterboard has LECONIOT beneath a logo.

A little searching turns up http://leconiot.com/ but my inability to read Chinese leaves me confused.

Maybe this is the daughter board?  http://www.wijitautomation.com/hub.html

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Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
« Reply #97 on: September 15, 2018, 03:13:32 PM »

The wijit modules and app is what the factory put together while developing the WM100 the modules are one way RF modules the hub takes the wifi and sends RF to the modules for on or off there is no dim function and they are not X10. I was sent a sample package and did post a review of these on this forum. It would make sence that a simular board is used in that hub. When I get a chance I'll compare the two daughter boards.
I believe these were produced to offset cost of the WM100 development. http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=29837.msg168956#msg168956
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Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
« Reply #98 on: September 15, 2018, 03:38:26 PM »

The wijit modules and app is what the factory put together while developing the WM100 the modules are one way RF modules the hub takes the wifi and sends RF to the modules for on or off there is no dim function and they are not X10. I was sent a sample package and did post a review of these on this forum. It would make sence that a simular board is used in that hub. When I get a chance I'll compare the two daughter boards.
I believe these were produced to offset cost of the WM100 development. http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=29837.msg168956#msg168956

If you were to do a side by side comparison with the WM100 and the CM15 attached to a Raspberry Pi running one of the many X10 options what are the advantages of the WM100 over the CM15.
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Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
« Reply #99 on: September 15, 2018, 03:53:34 PM »

Maybe this is the daughter board?  http://www.wijitautomation.com/hub.html
Could be. The daughterboard seems to be overkill for the WM100 but it might make sense to repurpose it rather than develop a completely new board.
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Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
« Reply #100 on: September 15, 2018, 04:13:08 PM »


If you were to do a side by side comparison with the WM100 and the CM15 attached to a Raspberry Pi running one of the many X10 options what are the advantages of the WM100 over the CM15.
Currenty there isnt much in the way of an advantage of using the WM as we can only guess at the future WM potential. However the WM has a  stonger PLC signal and the WM uses half the power of a PI CM15 combo. Only one outlet gets use with the WM.
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Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
« Reply #101 on: September 15, 2018, 04:36:27 PM »


If you were to do a side by side comparison with the WM100 and the CM15 attached to a Raspberry Pi running one of the many X10 options what are the advantages of the WM100 over the CM15.
Currenty there isnt much in the way of an advantage of using the WM as we can only guess at the future WM potential. However the WM has a  stonger PLC signal and the WM uses half the power of a PI CM15 combo. Only one outlet gets use with the WM.

On price comparison a CM15 plus a Pi Zero, power supply and an SD card would total roughly around the same price as the WM100 with the obvious advantages of having the development capabilities of the CM15/Pi Zero combo.

Is the WM100 really that big of a development at the end of the day after all this time. I'm sure adding a Pi Zero to the WM100 will improve its functionality buts it hard to believe the developers thought processes didn't stretch beyond another X10 controller with a mobile app.

Maybe he has much bigger plans in the pipeline he's not willing to share with anyone at the moment. I hope so for his sake.
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Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
« Reply #102 on: September 15, 2018, 04:59:20 PM »


On price comparison a CM15 plus a Pi Zero, power supply and an SD card would total roughly around the same price as the WM100 with the obvious advantages of having the development capabilities of the CM15/Pi Zero combo.

Is the WM100 really that big of a development at the end of the day after all this time. I'm sure adding a Pi Zero to the WM100 will improve its functionality buts it hard to believe the developers thought processes didn't stretch beyond another X10 controller with a mobile app.

Maybe he has much bigger plans in the pipeline he's not willing to share with anyone at the moment. I
 hope so for his sake.
The Cost factor is due to development costs of the WM100 which far exceeded the initial estimate, and is still ongoing.
the memory on board the WM is far greater the the CM15 but that doesn't factor in as we're  comparing with a PI.
the WM100 doesn't need a PI inside the only reason it is being discussed is as a means to by past the hold the developer has on this modules progress.
Maybe this is the daughter board?  http://www.wijitautomation.com/hub.html
Could be. The daughterboard seems to be overkill for the WM100 but it might make sense to repurpose it rather than develop a completely new board.
The first prototype with this daughter board did not have a way to watch PLC activity thus it was a suppid controler simular to what the Wijits are. It also never had a upgradeable firmware capability which it does now. I never did open a Wijit Hub and only used it to learn the RF codes to my Broadlink RM.
 
Interestingly the wijit software (app) has yet to get a update (that I'm aware of)


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Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
« Reply #103 on: September 15, 2018, 07:21:10 PM »

For $100, I can buy any combo of TP-Link WiFi bulb/WiFi outlet switch (appliance module). The SW allows me to create scenes, schedules, supports S/S, and had local and remote control. 

I purchased the WM100 because I have 25 years worth of X10 stuff.  I would never choose X10 if I was starting from scratch.  I just canít see a marketing plan that shows X10 market share increasing.  No way to cover additional investment costs.
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Re: Any software of firmware updates scheduled?
« Reply #104 on: September 15, 2018, 07:51:22 PM »

The wijit modules and app is what the factory put together while developing the WM100 the modules are one way RF modules the hub takes the wifi and sends RF to the modules for on or off there is no dim function and they are not X10. I was sent a sample package and did post a review of these on this forum. It would make sence that a simular board is used in that hub. When I get a chance I'll compare the two daughter boards.
I believe these were produced to offset cost of the WM100 development. http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=29837.msg168956#msg168956

The WM100 daughterboard has WM100_V1.1 on it so I doubt it's also used in the Wijit.
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