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Author Topic: Dusk/Dawn Timers - Dusk ON at Certain Brightness for Dimmables  (Read 295 times)

jimklo

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I have my dimmable lamp module bedside lamp on a regular timer to come on in the morning at 30% so it wakes me but not my wife.

Both of our bedside lamps are also on DUSK ON timers.  I'd like the ability to have the DUSK ON come on at a specified brightness level for dimmable modules instead of full brightness.
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Re: Dusk/Dawn Timers - Dusk ON at Certain Brightness for Dimmables
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2018, 07:55:46 AM »

AGREED.  I'm surprised and disappointed that the software designers did NOT include dimmability as an aspect of Dusk/Dawn setup as part of the initial app delivery. 
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Re: Dusk/Dawn Timers - Dusk ON at Certain Brightness for Dimmables
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2018, 11:03:36 AM »

Maybe the SW needs to get into the public domain, so X10 programming wizards can get this app to where it needs to be.  I donít see any other option.
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Re: Dusk/Dawn Timers - Dusk ON at Certain Brightness for Dimmables
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2018, 11:27:47 AM »

It isn't a software problem. *Most* X10 brand Wall Switches and Lamp Modules can not be turned on at a low level. The "2-Way" X10 module did understand the "Extended Dim" protocol, but because of their high cost, was not a good seller and X10 dropped production. However LMs and WS modules made since 2007 have the "resume dim" feature, where the WS or LM will come back on at it's last level.  If using AHP or other automation software, when turning the lamp off, first dim the lamp down to the level you want in the morning, then send a OFF. In the morning the module will come on at the dimmed level. 

There are some third party brands like Smarthome and X10 capable Insteon that do understand Extended Code and even earlier (but never incorporated) "Pre Set Dim" protocols. I do not know if the newest modules from Authinx can utilize the Extended Code. Other forum members may know.
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Re: Dusk/Dawn Timers - Dusk ON at Certain Brightness for Dimmables
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2018, 01:21:41 PM »

It isn't a software problem. *Most* X10 brand Wall Switches and Lamp Modules can not be turned on at a low level. 
It kind of is a software issue as extended commands need to be sent to use the on to last state code.
I thought all the softstart switches had this feature. ::) :' I don't use dimming but seem to remember one of my softstart modules having this ability when used with AHP in tests.
From day one I tried to convince Authinx the need to send extended codes from the WM100 but my input on that was brushed away. :-[
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Re: Dusk/Dawn Timers - Dusk ON at Certain Brightness for Dimmables
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2018, 01:29:44 PM »

Maybe the APP does not have a way to determine old or soft start modules.
Soft start modules will work with Extended x10 messages.

AHP uses Extended X10 messages for modules from the Lamps List and the old X10 On and dim for the
ones in the before soft start list.
This is from Smarthome Manager Essentials motoring.
B1 old LM465, B2 Soft Start LM465
My Date Code 09J44 will not dim below maybe 20%

AHP GUI dimmer slider to around 50% from off

R: B1 - 1:04:14 PM 8/25/2018
R: BOn - 1:04:14 PM 8/25/2018
R: BDim - 1:04:15 PM 8/25/2018
R: BDim - 1:04:15 PM 8/25/2018
R: BDim - 1:04:16 PM 8/25/2018
R: BDim - 1:04:16 PM 8/25/2018
R: BDim - 1:04:17 PM 8/25/2018
R: BDim - 1:04:17 PM 8/25/2018
R: 1110101010010110101010101010010101011010101010010110100101011011101010100101101010101010100101010110101010100101101001010110000010010101 - 1:04:26 PM 8/25/2018

I am not sure if the monitor missed the X10 Address message when trying the B2.

I tried the soft start LM465. 30% On. Turned off and back on. it went to 100%
The old LM14A 30% on. Turned off and back on. It went to 30%
Can't say about the wall switches. As they are advertised to have soft start and preset dim.
http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/Newer_WS467s_and_Preset_Dim
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Re: Dusk/Dawn Timers - Dusk ON at Certain Brightness for Dimmables
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2018, 01:38:17 PM »

Maybe the APP does not have a way to determine old or soft start modules.
Soft start modules will work with Extended x10 messages.
The app doesn't have the ability nor did AHP without user input, you needed to specify in the software that the module was softstart or an old lamp(non softstart) so AHP knew which codes to use.

The hardware (WM100) currently can't send extended codes either without a firmware update.
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Re: Dusk/Dawn Timers - Dusk ON at Certain Brightness for Dimmables
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2018, 09:59:55 AM »

From day one I tried to convince Authinx the need to send extended codes from the WM100 but my input on that was brushed away. :-[

That is essential in our home as all our dimmer switches (Leviton) use extended codes to set brightness directly.  I consider extended codes so important that both the XTB-IIR and XTB-523 can both transmit AND receive them.

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