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HA Dave

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Re: Your thoughts on HomeGenie?
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2018, 09:14:13 PM »

.... I've installed HomeSeer on a number of machines for others. It's way over priced....  it does the job but it's lacking in so many areas. And of course it doesn't "officially" support X10. That would not endear itself to forum users here.

Although... I've never imagined "profit" to be a 4-letter word... Homeseer ain't cheap. But, since the fall of the X10 servers, if your not a code-writer-hobbyist, Homeseer is the last remaining manufacturer..... to (sort of, almost, kind of, but not-really) support X10 users. What really sticks in my craw isn't HomeSeer's price (although it IS EXPENSIVE) it's that the product isn't "officially supporting X10".

For me.... I get their point. They are basically saying... they believe it's time to walk away from the X10 protocol.
 
Such a shame Authinx and it's WM100 didn't adopt that mindset before embarking on their adventure. Had they done so we probably wouldn't even be discussing this subject today.

No vision.... no product. What made Apple the overnight global giant it became was never it's people or it's product.... it was a single minded VISION. They knew where they were going.... before they started. When X10 lost it's vision... it became a hidden camera salesman to voyeurs and peeping toms.... drawing in customers with pop-up cheap soft-porn. It didn't work out for X10. And Authinx's success with it's WM100 product... will also match it's vision for X10.

The vision of and for Homegenie... will guide it's development... or not. But it's always the vision that determine the success or failure.
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Re: Your thoughts on HomeGenie?
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2018, 10:24:31 AM »

The so called "plugins" game they play shows contempt to the user by getting 3rd party individuals to do their heavy lifting and filling in the functionality gaps left by the principle designer, giving these individuals a shop window to sell their wares and taking a generous cut of the profits.
petera and HA Dave:
Right. What is hypocrically funny is, there would be no Homeseer, were it not for X10. Homeseer originated as "Keware" when there was nothing but X10.  I upgraded to HS3 at last years "Black November" sale because HS3 has an Alexa skill. But doubt I will upgrade again. Thus my interest in HG.
Thanks for the info.
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Re: Your thoughts on HomeGenie?
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2018, 10:49:16 AM »

. What is hypocrically funny is, there would be no Homeseer, were it not for X10.

And... we'd not have electric in our homes.... if it wasn't for the inventive genius of Thomas Edison. And, Edison hated Alternating Current (preferring the use of Direct Current).

Brand loyalty is a myth. 

X10 invented modern Home Automation.... as well as the idea/term of a "smart" home. I am still a huge fan of the CM15A. IMHO... cloud control with CM15A programing smarts (and a connected 24/7 running processor)... is the best. But..... if forced to have either one or the other... the cloud wins.

Weekly I get an email for Amazon with "New things to try with Alexa". OK... some of the things are much... or even lame. Some new stuff is cool. But the main thing is cloud-based automation is still in its infancy and gets better all the time. It won't be long before the CM15A will be outdated. Meanwhile.... my Home Automation setup has never been better. AND.... I really believe (and so does my wife) the automation has never been as user friendly as it is now.
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Re: Your thoughts on HomeGenie?
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2018, 10:56:04 AM »

And... we'd not have electric in our homes.... if it wasn't for the inventive genius of Thomas Edison. And, Edison hated Alternating Current (preferring the use of Direct Current).
Edison proved AC was good for electrocuting elephants. Don't know if Tesla countered with a DC electric chair or not.  rofl
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Re: Your thoughts on HomeGenie?
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2018, 11:00:15 AM »

..Don't know if Tesla countered with a DC electric chair or not.  rofl

He was too busy with creating wireless electric distribution.
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Re: Your thoughts on HomeGenie?
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2018, 05:23:45 PM »

He was too busy with creating wireless electric distribution.
And destroying buildings with an eight ounce electric hammer. (pounding at the building's frame resonance.)  Tesla was an Einstein while Edison was more of a Hulk Hogan.
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Re: Your thoughts on HomeGenie?
« Reply #21 on: November 03, 2018, 08:18:12 PM »

The so called "plugins" game they play shows contempt to the user by getting 3rd party individuals to do their heavy lifting and filling in the functionality gaps left by the principle designer, giving these individuals a shop window to sell their wares and taking a generous cut of the profits.
petera and HA Dave:
Right. What is hypocrically funny is, there would be no Homeseer, were it not for X10. Homeseer originated as "Keware" when there was nothing but X10.  I upgraded to HS3 at last years "Black November" sale because HS3 has an Alexa skill. But doubt I will upgrade again. Thus my interest in HG.
Thanks for the info.

I'm big on collaboration and inclusion. The biggest pleasure here would be to see the membership take up the baton on the Pi X10 Hub and run with it. Once members start using it they will see how capable this concept is.

There's nothing new or amazing here. What there is though is the ability to control and configure your X10 devices as you would want to control them. Your notions and concepts should find their way into this project.

Nothing worse than someone telling you what you need when all along you know all exactly what you want. Or is there. Even worse when someone sells you something and promises you it will do what you want when clearly it won't but promises you it will at sometime in the future after you have parted with your hard earned cash. A line from a film jumps straight to mind.......Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining...........

Yes X10 did set the bar height. Homeseer has tried to hold it in place but I feel the whole HA world has changed dramatically of recent times. Group collaboration and input has yielded some wonderful ideas and concepts. The idea that any one single technology will dominate for years to come is fading fast. But guess what, X10 is still here.

Some wonderful tech is emerging from the Kickstarter concept. Ideas that would probably have been dismissed by the "big guys" are now finding themselves a reality and into the kitchens and living rooms of house owners all over the world so small is beautiful is back ruling the world again. Remember Apple and the garage startup.

While X10 would be regarded as a niche technology these days, owners of these devices on this forum must agree that these devices have served their owners well. What we can do now as a group is ensure these devices can integrate comfortably into today's tech world and beyond no matter what is thrown at them.
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Re: Your thoughts on HomeGenie?
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2018, 12:35:52 AM »

……. There's nothing new or amazing here. What there is though is the ability to control and configure your X10 devices as you would want to control them...…..Nothing worse than someone telling you what you need when all along you know all exactly what you want.

Control? I am not so sure. It isn't that I don't understand a need to be in/have/or feel... control. But I don't live there. Even back in the day... we tried using conditions, flags, time, and timers... to force the control onto a PC and/or the CM15A. After all... complete control comes from no automation. I prefer the greatest degree of automation I can get (which is also the least control).... the more AI the better. But to each... their own.

The idea that any one single technology will dominate for years to come is fading fast. But guess what, X10 is still here.

WiFi, the handshake protocol, and TCP/IP network.... Currently DOES and will continue to dominate Home Automation technology... at least for any foreseeable future.

While X10 would be regarded as a niche technology these days, owners of these devices on this forum must agree that these devices have served their owners well. What we can do now as a group is ensure these devices can integrate comfortably into today's tech world and beyond no matter what is thrown at them.

When I was building my X10 setup (a dozen years ago) I was shocked that no one else I met knew about... or had even heard of X10.... except for people at the X10 forum. Today.... I still don't know of others using X10.... except for forum members. X10 products will be working away reliablly in peoples homes for decades to come. But X10 will never be anything more than a niche market.

Home Automation itself.... is no longer the same lighting "control" technology imagined by the engineers at X10 back in 1974. Even X10 saw the coming changes and pursued the "Smart Home" concept. But the public's idea of Smart Home-automated technology has out-grown the traditional old fashion idea of turning lights on and off. 

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Re: Your thoughts on HomeGenie?
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2018, 08:52:48 AM »

He was too busy with creating wireless electric distribution.
And destroying buildings with an eight ounce electric hammer. (pounding at the building's frame resonance.)  Tesla was an Einstein while Edison was more of a Hulk Hogan.
Tesla has been reincarnated... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/chinas-useless-edison-combines-inventing-and-the-internet-with-hilarious-results/2018/11/02/43fbcb8a-d6e0-11e8-8384-bcc5492fef49_story.html?utm_term=.acc86231e9ca
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Re: Your thoughts on HomeGenie?
« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2018, 10:35:52 AM »


Tesla might had suffered with some mental health issues.... but he did invent AC.

...and Radio (no, it wasn't Marconi).
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Re: Your thoughts on HomeGenie?
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2018, 09:23:24 PM »

Tesla might had suffered with some mental health issues....
Yeah. The poor guy kept getting shocked by his own coil.    rofl
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