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Author Topic: Soup up a CM19a  (Read 29778 times)

john

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Re: Soup up a CM19a
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2005, 11:28:18 PM »

It didn't work before the additional length
was added. It does work now. That's all I
know.

Typically the length tolerances on antennas
of this sort can be + or - 5% without much
effect. If you are within 1/2 inch you will
probably be OK.  I haven't run any tests and
will now leave it alone since it works.
John
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john to perdo

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Re: Soup up a CM19a
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2005, 11:28:42 PM »

It didn't work before the additional length
was added. It does work now. That's all I
know.

Typically the length tolerances on antennas
of this sort can be + or - 5% without much
effect. If you are within 1/2 inch you will
probably be OK.  I haven't run any tests and
will now leave it alone since it works.
John
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john

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Re: Soup up a CM19a
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2005, 04:06:27 PM »

IT WORKS ! (Thanks, John)

I soldered a short length of telephone wire
to a CM-19A antenna for a total antenna
length of 13".  The CM-19A's signal now
reaches my two Vanguard cameras with
significant strength such that the critical
camera switching and PTZ functions now work
(they didn't work before).  Would still like
to move the cameras farther away from the CM-
19A, so I'm looking for a way to
electronically amplify the CM-19A's signal.
Purchased and tried X-10's signal repeater
(an X-10 tech's solution when I called), but
it does not respond to the CM-19A signal.
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mike

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Re: Soup up a CM19a
« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2005, 11:30:08 AM »

I TO HAVE HAD MANY PROBLEMS WITH CM19A. I
TRIED DIFERENT LOCATIONS AND WIRE
EXTENTIONS FOR THE ANTENNA. BUT JUST A FEW
DAYS AGO I BOUGHT A SCANNER ANTENNA FROM
RADIO SHACK IT WAS LISTED AS 30 TO 512 MHZ.
IT SEEMS TO HELP THE DISTANCE PROUBLEM. BUT
I TO WOULD LIKE TO AMPLIFY THIS UNIT.
Indoor Scanner Antenna
Model: 20-161
Catalog #: 20-161
30 to 512MHz. Extends to 40".
$12.99
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Re: Soup up a CM19a
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2005, 12:00:50 PM »

Michael: I believe amplifing the CM-19a
might be a bit of a problem. If I remember
correctly the CM19a is both a transmitter
and receiver. This means that any amplifier
should work in both directions, and that is
a really tough requirement for any engineer
(especially one who does not have access to
the design information for the CM19a.)

If it were absolutely necessary to make an
amplifier, you probably would want to use
the CM19a only as a transmitter and amplify
its output signal only, and then use some
other X10 receiver to do the receiving for
the system.  Using the CM19a as an exciter
for a more powerful transmitter could be
done. There may even be X10 boosters that
might work, but they would be a gamble
(unless someone has done this before.)
John
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mike

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Re: Soup up a CM19a
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2005, 01:00:11 PM »

THANKS
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jonk

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Re: Soup up a CM19a
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2005, 02:49:25 PM »

If I add a cm19a to my activehome pro
computer, will i be able to reach the ninja
pan and tilt mount more reliably with the
scanpad remote. Do I need to have Iwitness
installed to make this work. Thanks in
advance.
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Brian H

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Re: Soup up a CM19a
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2005, 04:52:31 PM »

The ninja pan and tilt commands are sent by
RF from the remote directly to the mount.
The signal that switches the addressable
power supplies goes to a tranceiver and then
sent over the powerline to the supplies. I
believe the pan and tilt commands are the
extended command type and are not processed
by the tranceivers at all. Same for the RF
Repeaters I don't think they repeat the
extended commands.
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Brian H

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Re: Soup up a CM19a
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2005, 08:11:36 AM »

Just checked the install sheet. The cm19a is
a tranceiver so if the software supports
sending the ninja control codes it can
support the pan and tilt functions.
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john

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Re: Soup up a CM19a
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2005, 09:45:32 AM »

Yes, that is correct, the CM-19a both
listens and talks, BUT you are also correct,
in that the NINJA gets its motion commands
directly from the hand held remote. You
would have to add software (from where I
don't know) that responds to a received hand
held remote CM-19a motion command intended
for a NINJA and then retransmits, or
echos,it. I don't know if any X10 or
Activehome software does this. This also
means that the Ninja might get its signals
from both sources at times and do things
twice. That may be a problem that could be
lived with.

In short, I'll bet that that the answer to
your question about improving the strength
of the hand held remote commands with a
CM19a is a "NO".
John
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joshknopp

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Re: Soup up a CM19a
« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2011, 09:47:17 AM »

A quick, simple, and ugly antenna mod that was effective for me: aluminum foil.  I was having sporadic issues communicating to modules on the other side of the house - some days it worked great, other times almost not at all.  I took a small section of aluminum foil and rolled it into about a 12" rod.  I threaded the CM19A antenna into one end and secured the other end to the wall with tape, with the new foil "antenna" oriented vertically.  It looks ugly as sin, but i saw an immediate improvement in signal strength, and it solved my problems.  Worth a shot if you're like me and too lazy to try the other suggested mods.
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Re: Soup up a CM19a
« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2011, 05:07:59 PM »

The Ninja protocol is detailed at http://davehouston.org/cr14a-rf.htm. The pan & tilt commands are sent directly via RF, not by the powerline.

While it might be a bit awkward to add to a handheld remote almost anything will improve the range of most X-10 hand-held remotes. I've shown how to vastly improve the range of their wireless switches here http://davehouston.org/passive.htm.
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Re: Soup up a CM19a
« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2011, 06:34:38 AM »

The antenna length for 312 MHz at 1/2 wavelength is 18 inches and 9 inches for 1/4 wavelength.  I am not sure how long the antenna is initially, but I would guess about 9 inches.  So extending it another 9 inches to 18 will probably make a difference.
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Re: Soup up a CM19a
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2011, 06:41:44 AM »

Schematic says 240mm. ~9.45" That sounds about right for the X10 310 MHz.

In mine about half of the wire is in the small external tube antenna and the other half is glued around the inside of the case.
My early 2004 units. The inside portion of the wire is in a random ball of confusion and not neat at all.

Just measured one of my CM15A antenna tubes. Close to 4 3/4"   ???
So part of the 9.45" is wrapped around the inside of the CM15As case.
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NavinR

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Re: Soup up a CM19a
« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2011, 06:13:26 AM »


1. Add a coax jack to the CM19a:
http://marc.merlins.org/perso/linux/post_2011-07-24_Hacking-an-external-antenna-onto-an-X10-CM19a_-and-adding-misterhouse-support.html

2. Use a better antenna:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103641#

3.  Use 50ohm coax, not 75ohm cable tv coax

4.  WRAP THE CM19A in aluminum foil.  I used to do this to my W800, and it really seems to help.

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