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Title: ON/OFF RF signal?
Post by: PrimeGuild on March 26, 2008, 05:27:40 PM
I have a question for the X10 gurus out there.

Scenario:

Lets say I have a motion sensor configured to send OFF RF after 5 minutes of the ON RF. Now, lets say ON RF triggers first at 2:00 PM and then at 2:02 PM. So my question is, that will there be two OFF RF signals emitted, one at 2:05 PM and the second at 2:07 PM or will there be only one OFF RF signal at 2:07?

Hope the question is clear enough.
Title: Re: ON/OFF RF signal?
Post by: Puck on March 26, 2008, 06:57:13 PM
The motion sensors that send standard X10 RF signals (ActiveEye MS16A, etc.) would just send the one OFF signal at 2:07pm in your example.

The MS10A Security motion sensor is different.
Title: Re: ON/OFF RF signal?
Post by: PajamaGuy on March 27, 2008, 08:12:44 AM
...$0.02 - The standard motion sensors to which Puck refers will NOT send an OFF until there has been no motion detected for the "DELAY" period of time since the last motion was detected.  You will continue to get "ON"s whenever motion is detected, and each ON "resets" the DELAY clock.  Another way - if the delay is 5 min.  If the last motion detected is at 2:00, the OFF will be sent at 2:05.  If motion is sensed at 2:04, NO "OFF" will be sent until 2:09, and only then if there is no motion detected after 2:04.

Gee...that was fun! ;D
Title: Re: ON/OFF RF signal?
Post by: steven r on March 27, 2008, 12:49:04 PM
...The MS10A Security motion sensor is different.
How does the MS10A work then?
Title: Re: ON/OFF RF signal?
Post by: Puck on March 27, 2008, 01:13:05 PM
...The MS10A Security motion sensor is different.
How does the MS10A work then?


Reference Thread: MS10A signals and OnAlert (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=14432.0)

It was more like a one-to-one ratio of Detect / Reset signals.
Title: Re: ON/OFF RF signal?
Post by: Tuicemen on March 27, 2008, 02:15:51 PM
The MS10A continues to send a "Sensor Closed" signal at about 1 hour intervals! ;)
Title: Re: ON/OFF RF signal?
Post by: PrimeGuild on March 27, 2008, 02:17:55 PM
Thank you guys !!! Makes sense.

Now a little variation...

What if I had a macro that RAN on every motion sensor detection (lets say A1 ON). The macro designed relays a A2 ON and after a delay of 5 minutes, it relays a A2 OFF. Now on every motion detection, you'll have A1 ON and the macro should run (A2 ON), right? Question is, now will there be multiple A2 OFFs or would there be just one final A2 OFF?
Title: Re: ON/OFF RF signal?
Post by: Tuicemen on March 27, 2008, 02:32:57 PM
Thank you guys !!! Makes sense.

Now a little variation...

What if I had a macro that RAN on every motion sensor detection (lets say A1 ON). The macro designed relays a A2 ON and after a delay of 5 minutes, it relays a A2 OFF. Now on every motion detection, you'll have A1 ON and the macro should run (A2 ON), right? Question is, now will there be multiple A2 OFFs or would there be just one final A2 OFF?
Is the sensor A2 or A1?
If A2:
You would cause a endless looping macro and AHP would eventually lock up!
Why? A2 starts the macro and the macro is sending A2
If the sensor is A1:
You would see one A1 on a A2 send(on) and one A2 Off and one A1Off
Title: Re: ON/OFF RF signal?
Post by: PrimeGuild on March 31, 2008, 12:23:04 PM
Thanks, and yeah, Sensor is A1.