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cupid

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LAN NETWORKING USING X10 PROTOCOL?
« on: August 20, 2006, 03:19:20 AM »

Anybody have knowledge about how to transfer digital data using USB through X10 220/50Hz protocol. If yes then can he send me Schematic and relevant material?
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Re: LAN NETWORKING USING X10 PROTOCOL?
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2006, 03:27:16 AM »

Are you have any idea of LAN networking using X10 protocol, just between two systems.
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Re: LAN NETWORKING USING X10 PROTOCOL?
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2006, 09:52:35 AM »

X10 on a LAN. Easy.  Install Active Home Pro and the CM15A interface on the server, and set everything up (modules, timers, macros, etc.) and make sure AHP does what you want it to to.

Then share it.  Workstations will be able to run AHP from their PC's.  On the server, permisions should allow only operation, not changes.

Of course, the next question is "Why do you want to do it?".
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Re: LAN NETWORKING USING X10 PROTOCOL?
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2006, 11:46:42 AM »

Dan:
User cupid is interested in sending  data over the power lines using the X10 protocol, not controlling X10 modules over the LAN.  But since the X10 protocol only transmits 1 bit per cycle, I suspect that approach won't be feasible.

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Re: LAN NETWORKING USING X10 PROTOCOL?
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2006, 11:54:30 AM »

The X10 protocol transmits 1 bit of data per AC cycle, i.e., somewhere around 0.000006 Megabyte/second at 50 Hz.  Will you be satisfied with that data rate?

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Re: LAN NETWORKING USING X10 PROTOCOL?
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2006, 02:35:38 PM »

I think you are right.

Since X10 transmits 1 bit per cycle, sending via a LAN is not feasable.
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Re: LAN NETWORKING USING X10 PROTOCOL?
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2006, 10:33:12 AM »

If you want to send DATA, X10 is extremely impratical.
By DATA, do you mean files and the like ? If you do then X10 in not the way to go.
You are then taking about a network. To avoid having to run cat 5 cable, you can use PowerLine ethernet adapters (about $30 USD each).
You will need one for each computer. You can then transmit data from one computer to another. Using these, the data is sent over your existing house wires, eliminating the need to run any additional cabeling.
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Re: LAN NETWORKING USING X10 PROTOCOL?
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2007, 11:58:36 PM »

Good Evening,

Not to sound smart but s10 is sold as a low speed control system, not a network data system.  Granted it can be done at extremely slow speeds. 

If you want to transfer digital data via the power line there are units out there that do the job.  One of the more robust uses CAN (Controlled Area Network) but the data rate is slower then most of the others.

My suggestion is to use the proper tool for the job.  A teaspoon could be used to dig a foundation for a house but it will take a long time.

Enjoy

Gil Shultz
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