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💬General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: dhouston on May 21, 2013, 07:31:28 AM
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Has anybody tried anything like this...
- http://miniandroidpc.com/shop/mk802-mini-android-pc-1gb-ram
Dell is introducing a similar product later this year and the articles I've seen on it piqued my interest and it turned out that there are already a few such devices.
Since it connects via HDMI, it allows one to instantly switch between TV and internet browser. I'm considering the one I linked to along with
- http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/Wireless-touch-keyboard-k400r
I can envision it running Android Home Automation apps so one might seldom need to leave the recliner. -:)
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Yes I use a MK802 with TAC (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=26071.0) to interface to my HA setup.
A few other users run newer versions I believe the newest is the MK818
it has Bluetooth and a built in camera and sells for about $68.
The Wi-Fi range on the MK802 is not that great but if close to your router it is ok.
Also the MK802 gets very warm while plugged in there is no on/off switch.
You can find more info and links for android mini pcs on my forum (http://tuicemen.com/forum/index.php?board=58.0)
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Yes I use a MK802 with TAC (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=26071.0) to interface to my HA setup.
The MK802 was out of stock and I do not need the camera so I ordered the MK808. My router is within 10' of where this will be located. My TV uses a WiFi link with no problems so I expect this will work OK if the wireless USB keyboard range is adequate.
Thanks for the feedback. :)%
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I use a wireless mouse keyboard combo with the MK802 with no issues.
However I never tested the range.
I suspect that would depend on the wireless mouse keyboard manufacture and not the 808 anyways.
I believe KENRAD uses the MK808 with a powered USB hub to run extra hardware on the unit like Camera and microphone.
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I have been using the MX5 dual core android box that I bought from aliexpress.com for just over a month now.
http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=android+box&catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20130521193411
They have tons of different android devices of all kinds of form factors coming out.
Look up "fly mouse" or "air mouse" on your favorite shopping site and you will find of tons of options similar to the Logitech link you posted.
I plugged mine into a KillAWatt monitor and it never used more than 10 watts and usually stayed somewhere around 6-8 watts of power. I run xmbc on mine.
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I got the MK808 and must say I am underwhelmed. It displays a Google TV screen but there's no documentation that might tell me how to get it to do something semi-useful.
Does anyone know where I might find some documentation
I bought it through Amazon so I can return it if I cannot get it to work.
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You need a wireless mouse or mouse /keyboard USB combo to navigate.
There should be videos on Youtube that may be helpful.
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I have the wireless Logitech K400 keyboard w/touchpad that I referenced in my first post. It did not help. The MK808 froze my TV whenever it was plugged into HDMI and under power - I could not even switch to another input. There was no way to move beyond the initial screen to configure WiFi or anything else.
I'm sending it back for a refund. A replacement is on a slow boat from China so it will be a few weeks before I can do more experimenting. While waiting, I'll try the keyboard with my tablet.
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Does sound like a defective unit.
While your waiting on your replacement you might wish to look at the Mini PC Forums (http://minipcforums.com/)
It is a fairly new forum which has some reviews and video posts.
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I had already stumbled across the forum but haven't dug into it yet. Based on the number of posts to the MK808 forum (694, far more than any of the other forums), it must be either very popular or very troublesome - I guess I'll find out which.
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I received the second unit and hooked it up this AM.
At first, it kept displaying, Retrieving Data followed by Not Support! but slowly began to function, displaying Google TV then Android then after numerous reboots and episodes of the screen blanking, made it to the home page. I managed to make a WiFi connection to my router (weaker than expected but probably OK - 2 BARS vs 4 BARS for my other WiFi link to the TV). I can switch inputs between it, TV, DVD/VHS, etc.
The K400 wireless keyboard works and appears to have adequate range. I need to study its user manual - the touchpad is not intuitive.
The video is still intermittent but seems to be gradually improving. I'm letting it burn in (or out), hoping the video will settle down and I can start making some use of it. I have browsed a couple of web sites so it looks promising if this unit (or another) proves reliable.
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The unit most likely needs all the apps updated which may take some time depending on what all was preloaded on it.
There have been many complaints with the Wi-Fi signal on these units that com with a internal antenna.
I have yet to move mine to its intended location at the cottage but I'm hoping for better Wi-Fi there as it will be closer to the router with no obstructions in the line of sight between the two.
I'm concerned with how warm my unit gets if left on for a extended time.
I need to test it with an appliance module so I'm able to turn it on/off since it has no on/off capabilities its self. :(
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It seems to have stabilized after a couple of hours under power. There are frequent video flickers but no more lengthy black screens. And, the unit is only slightly warm after being powered for a couple of hours. Now that it appears stable, I want to try it on a different HDMI input - the one that originally gave me the Not Support! screen.
I think I need to disable gestures on my keyboard as I am occasionally surprised by a change of scene (or screen).
The keyboard/touchpad functioned from the get-go, with no need to install drivers, and once things started to stabilize, it was remarkably simple to setup WiFi, set the time zone, etc.
As for WiFi range, it has the same path to the router as the TV itself but the connection is only half as good. One suggestion on the forum was that Wifi range was better using a hub and wired keyboard/mouse. For now, it seems adequate but I might try using a short cable to move the wireless USB dongle away from the unit.
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I had to reboot it this AM and after the reboot it again exhibited the frequent black screens which lessen in frequency after a few minutes under power.
The MK808 does not get hot - I'd call it warm.
Reorienting the antenna on my router (from vertical to 45°) has increased the WiFi signal to 3 bars out of 4 without my TV or other WiFi links taking a hit.
At this point, I think this is far from being ready for primetime. It needs a way to reboot without having to unplug the power. It should go into low-power standby automatically when the TV is off (a connection to the TV USB port could sense when the TV is on/off). There needs to be a cure for the intermittent video. And, it needs a better WiFi antenna.
I'll post to the miniAndroidPC forum later to see if other users can offer suggestions to improve operation.
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I read on one of the forums that the mk808 has a software on/off button which appears on the main screen now.
If you don't have this your firmware is out of date
You may need to do a firmware flash so your up to date.
That may fix your video and Wi-Fi issues.
You maybe able to write something with B4Android to place the mini into sleep mode, and bring it back once a USB video connection is detected.
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I have the On/Off icon so I think I have the updated firmware.
I have fairly strong WiFi now but do wonder if the frequent screen blackouts are related to WiFi or are just HDMI or processor related. Most are less than a second but some are 3-4 seconds duration and usually I see a mode/resolution indicator in the upper right corner of the screen on the longer ones - the same indicator that appears briefly when changing inputs, TV channels, etc. so it seems like it's losing the HDMI input for short intervals.
Any B4A coding will be down the road aways although that is one reason for opting for the hardware. My lousy health has delayed several projects that have higher priority should I manage to get back to active development.
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I wonder if it is the HDMI cable?
Do you have another you can try?
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By yesterday evening, the display was rapidly flashing on/off continuously, making it unusable. This AM it is totally dead with only the Not Support! message. I think it's time to return it.
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I am following this thread with great interest... not just lurking. I think you guys may be on the right trail even if the road is bumpy. I have looked at and considered the Android TV Stik available at geeks (http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=ANDROID-TV-STIK). I've been playing around with a Android 7inch tablet for some time.
Some months ago I installed a home theater for a friend. She wanted an 2nd monitor/TV besides the projector. I found a cheap $20 duplicator-amplifier (you can't actually split HDMI) did the trick and allowed me an extra 33 foot HDMI run. I also found that moving/switching the audio to a separate digital or analog really freed up the tiny little processor and allowed things to work much better. Audio and video both on the HDMI output seems to strain the little devices processing power.
Now.... if we could get X10 to offer an Android AHP app that connected to the CM15A.... I'd be a pretty happy camper.
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@HADave,
The MK808 came with a ~12" HDMI cable. I'm not using anything with audio - I'm only interested in browsing the web and maybe developing an HA related app if my health improves enough to allow it. I will continue to chronicle my early adopter blues.
One problem with the device you are interested in is it runs Android 4.0 whereas many others are running 4.1.
I'm going to try to return this one. Then I'll try one more MK808. Amazon has stock again so I can get one in two days instead of waiting for air mail from ShenZhen, China.
One thing I did not get a chance to try - the K400 keyboard has a PC on/off button. It would be fantastic if it can control the MK808. It does appear that the onscreen power icon puts it into a low power standby mode. It was cooler but obviously still under some power this AM.
A big problem is the lack of documentation and support. The forum Tuicemen referenced really isn't much help. The less adventurous might want to wait for Dell's offering. While it's likely to cost more it's also likely to be better supported.
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I am following this thread with great interest... not just lurking. I think you guys may be on the right trail even if the road is bumpy. I have looked at and considered the Android TV Stik available at geeks (http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=ANDROID-TV-STIK). I've been playing around with a Android 7inch tablet for some time.
The device looks much like the mk808 only runs Ice Cream Sandwich like the MK802.
I don't have any issues with Android 4.0, however with these devices developing so fast I'd look for one with more bang for your buck.
The 808 and 802 are dinosaurs, only not extinct yet.
The mk818 seems to be the latest version with Android 4.2 and lots of extras
You could run Linux on these which might allow a interface connection.
You might even be able to run Win CE which would allow a interface connection.
Unless x10 comes out with a driver for Android, I believe the new Thin Clients may be the way to go, though they aren't as cheep to play with.
Hey maybe X10 will come out with their version of an Android Mini PC similar to the MK818 with x10 interface drivers ::) :'
(we can only hope) ;)
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Wish I had seen this earlier...
- http://www.geofffox.com/MT/archives/2013/05/13/the-android-tv-stick-that-almost-works-my-mk908-story.php
He describes exactly what I saw with the MK808. I also agree that, "This is really promising technology."
One poster to the above link says it needs a better power supply and I got similar impressions from the sketchy manual and from the manufacturer's tech support. I'm looking for a 5V/2A USB wallwart to try in case the next MK808 exhibits the same problem. My first one was missing the power supply and the 5V/1A supply I bought separately might have been inadequate.
Also, one more data point: My Vizio SmartTV already has WiFi (or wired ethernet) and can stream Netflix, Amazon Prime (I have it.), etc. so my need is purely to be able to surf the web. The 50" screen is big enough that I could read Google News or this forum from across the room. Vizio has an app store but they all seem to be a waste (and hopefully predate Marissa). It does have Yahoo news and Weather apps but they are really rudimentary.
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I just tried the OTG port with a OTG to USB Male end and plugged it into the USB port on the TV with the Android power plug removed.
This does power the unit up when the TV is turned on and off when the TV is turned off. :)%
If your TV has a USB port you could try that as well.
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I just tried the OTG port with a OTG to USB Male end and plugged it into the USB port on the TV with the Android power plug removed.
I suspect that's pushing things a bit. The USB spec is only for 500mA. The Leaf Ultra indoor TV antenna/amp has an option to power it from the TV USB but that probably only needs 20-25mA. My TV has a USB port but I doubt it can supply the 1A needed for the MK808. I woudn't want to risk damaging the TV.
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.... it needs a better power supply and I got similar impressions from the sketchy manual and from the manufacturer's tech support. I'm looking for a 5V/2A USB wallwart to try in case the next MK808 exhibits the same problem. My first one was missing the power supply and the 5V/1A supply I bought separately might have been inadequate.
When switching my Home Automation PC over to a laptop I was concerned about the strain of the power draw on the laptops USB ports. Particularly if the homes electric power was to fail and any USB powered device would continue to suck electric from the laptops battery. So... to get a good solid USB power supply I used an old USB hub. It has a big old powerful transformer and doesn't appear to make much line noise ether.
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I bought the first MK808 through Amazon. It was shipped by Amazon so getting a refund was automatic. This unit was missing the power supply. As it was the last unit in stock, I suspect it had been returned by another user or the power supply had been cannibalized. I bought a 5V/1A supply but was never able to get the unit to do anything other than display the initial Google TV screen.
Amazon was out of stock so while I bought the second MK808 through Amazon it was shipped from China by GeekBuying. They are telling me I have to flash the ROM and I'm telling them they should have done this before shipping it. The procedure for flashing the ROM is difficult for someone with only one semi-useful hand so I'm asking GeekBuying for a refund but suspect none will be forthcoming.
Amazon replenished their stock so I've ordered a third MK808 from them along with a 5V/2A power supply designed for rapid charging of cell phones, tablets, etc. which I expect to handle any transient high current demands better than the OEM 5V/1A supply. I should have everything by Monday. If I cannot get it to work, I'll likely wait for Dell and hope my wireless K400 keyboard will work with their hardware.
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...I'm asking GeekBuying for a refund but suspect none will be forthcoming.
I was wrong. GeekBuying emailed a Return Authorization so it looks like all I'm out of pocket will be Priority Mail to California.
The third MK808 should arrive Monday.
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The third MK808 arrived. I didn't bother with its 1A power supply, using a 2A supply I bought separately. So far, everything is rock solid. Not a single screen flicker and the WiFi link bounces between 3 & 4 (4 is max).
I suspect most of my earlier troubles were related to an inadequate power supply. Will post more as things progress.
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So far, so good.
I'm impressed - even after all the problems getting one to work.
If your TV cannot stream natively, this would be a good and economical option for Netflix, Hulu, etc. And, I would expect HA related apps to begin to appear (any Android app should be an option). I spent $85 for MK808, K400 keyboard and 2A power supply and now have a 50 inch tablet with wireless keyboard/touchpad.
One problem is that it runs Android and every Tom, Dick, Harry and Louise has created their own firmware versions so, aside from the too many cooks issue, you never really know the origin nor what might be hidden in the code (Android malware has already reared its ugly head). The less adventurous are advised to wait a few months for Dell's offering. For other bleeding edge geeks, plunge right in. 8)
There is a newer MK812 which has a 2.1A power supply, aluminum case and external WiFi antenna. It also has both HDMI and AV cables. It runs Android 4.2. Had I researched things a bit more before plunging into the deep end of the pool, I might have opted for the MK812.
- http://miniandroidpc.com/shop/mk812-dual-core-a9-mini-pc-with-camera-microphone-bluetooth
The MK812 also has a good user manual (the one for the MK808 is abysmal).
- http://miniandroidpc.com/tx/UsersManual-MK812-Dual-Core-MiniPC-AirPlay.pdf
The miniAndroid PC home page...
- http://miniandroidpc.com/
There's an Android app that can control it from an Android Smartphone (or tablet), saving the cost of a keyboard.
I recommend using Amazon (if they ship it, returns/refunds are simple) or paying with PayPal (refunds take a week or so).
It should be possible to control a CM15A directly with this device using the USB OTG connection. I believe the CM15A is an HID class device (i.e. like a keyboard or mouse) but I'll leave that to others (my preference is to replace the CM15A microcontroller to allow full direct control of PLC & RF).
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These units are very new, the mk802 came out Nov 2012 and the newest versions have far more power and options.
I too wish I had waited a bit before getting my feet wet as I find I'm trying to add stuff to my android mini which I wouldn't need to with a newer version.
I've flashed my unit several times to get the latest Android OS to enable Bluetooth, voice, Camera support and other things not available with the stock OS.
These will run on a Linux OS so HA buffs could possibly add mochad (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=22045.0) which would allow interface with a cm19 or cm15.
For now current Android apps like TAC (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=26071.0) allow me to control my HA with it.
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The link I gave in post #28 has decent instructions for installing a few of the 57,000 varieties of Linux so mochad should be rather straightforward. Or someone might use the mochad source and Neil Cherry's website as guides to write a native Android app using Basic4android of another Android programming language. About a year ago the mochad author had agreed to work with me on creating an Android version but some serious health issues hospitalized and sidetracked me - things were left up in the air. Given the development of these devices, he might be interested in doing it on his own or in working with someone else.
One thing that would be immensely helpful would be for X10 to publish the CM15A communications protocol. I've never understood why they haven't. I'm sure they would sell far more CM15As if there were some better software and it would reduce their support burden.
B4A might also support the CM11A using a USB-serial adapter.
My neice currently uses an Android tablet to stream Netflix type things to her TV. Now that I have the MK808 working, I may give it to her and replace it with the MK812 (or whatever is new next week).
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Two full days without problems so I decided to try the Sleep key on the K400 keyboard. It works both to put the MK808 to sleep and to wake it from sleep. I think it's a keeper.
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It works both to put the MK808 to sleep and to wake it from sleep.
If it sleeps longer than a minute or so, it can only be revived by cycling power to reboot it.
So, it lacks an on/off switch and needs a bigger power supply than the one that is supplied. It's still impressive for the $45 price.
While I haven't tested the newer MK812, I would expect it to work with its bigger power supply. And, the external WiFi antenna should improve range. Finally, it has both HDMI and AV connections so it can be used with TVs lacking HDMI inputs (or when all the HDMI inputs are in use).
The Logitech K400 wireless USB keyboard/touchpad includes a range extender. I've had no issues using it from 12-14 feet.
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I did finally get a refund from GeekBuying for the second MK808. And, the third MK808 continues to purr right along with nary a hiccup.
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.... the third MK808 continues to purr right along with nary a hiccup.
Very nice.
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.... the third MK808 continues to purr right along with nary a hiccup.
Very nice.
I should emphasize that I haven't tried streaming things like Netflix videos as my TV has that capability built in. For the most part, I have used it for browsing the web. I've left it powered up 24/7 (~5W) as it's not particularly easy for this gimpy geezer to access it to unplug/plug it.
If it's not too much of a hassle, I'll try Netflix or Hulu+ (both offer free trials) via the MK808 in the next few days so I can report on the quality of streaming a movie or TV show.
My TV WiFi always shows 4 bars (max) for its WiFi link while the MK808 shows only 3 bars. I suspect that's related to the interior (inferior) antennae. The distance for both the TV and MK808 to my router is 8-10' through an interior plaster wall - obliquely and probably with some wire lath. The newer (and costlier) MK812 will likely offer better range with its external antenna. The MK812 is also the choice for older TVs w/o HDMI inputs.
I doubt anyone will have range issues with the Logitech K400 keyboard.
Also, I haven't done anything with audio so cannot report on audio quality. If I get it streaming a movie. I'll report on the audio then.
I'm using the 5V/2A PLANEX Dual USB Universal Wall Charger - $10 at Amazon instead of the 1A supply that came with the MK808. The next time I have a need to access the rear of the TV, I'll try to remember to check the actual amps, efficiency, etc. with my Kill-a-Watt.
- http://miniandroidpc.com/shop/mk808-android-4-1-mini-pc-dual-core-8g
- http://miniandroidpc.com/shop/mk812-dual-core-a9-mini-pc-with-camera-microphone-bluetooth
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The free trials required signing up w/credit info and I don't want that info floating about any more than necessary (I'm sure the NSA and Snowden already have it) so I tested using Wall Street Journal Live via YouTube with excellent results for both video and audio. I'm confident that Netflix, Hulu+, et al will work equally well.
Aside from the power supply issue I think this is ready for prime time. Had I been aware of it, I might have postponed buying my WiFi capable SmarTV. The TV I replaced, with the MK808 plugged into it, could have done most of what the new one does natively.
Also, my Vizio TV has a Yahoo Apps link. If Yahoo Apps had included a decent web browser, I would have little need of the MK808.
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A hiccup...
After several days under power 24/7 the screen froze on a webpage, with no time update and no mouse pointer.
Cycling the MK808 power cleared things.
As these devices evolve they will, hopefully, add a way to cycle the power without unplugging/plugging the power supply.
Also, there was a period yesterday afternoon when I had problems with streaming using my TV. And, I've lately experienced occasional, brief periods when I lost internet access for my LAN. I don't know whether that happened yesterday but it might explain the MK808 freeze-up.
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The MK808 continues to purr right along. It's under power 24/7 and there are occasional (rare) freeze-ups that require a power cycle.
Of late I've also seen periods when I could not access Netflix or Amazon Instant Video nor access certain (geographic) regions of the web via my PC, leading me to believe there's been excess traffic which might explain some of the MK808 freeze-ups.
Also, I found there was a simple member sign-in for Netflix so I installed the Netflix app from Google Play in order to provide a comparison between accessing it via the built-in app on my TV and the MK808. It's equally easy to access and operate via either route but performance and picture quality (resolution) is better via the TV's app.
YMMV
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It took them a looooong time and their device is a bit pricey, but Dell is finally shipping their PC-on-a-stick.
- http://www.pcworld.com/article/2092276/dells-wyse-cloud-connect-pc-on-a-stick-turns-any-display-into-a-computer.html?google_editors_picks=true
My MK808 is still purring along.
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Since my Mk802 wasn't getting much use at the off grid place I decided to play with it more this winter.
With Mini PCs now on the market for under $100 with windows 8 installed http://www.dx.com/p/meegopad-t01-quad-core-android-4-4-windows-8-hdmi-google-tv-player-w-2gb-ram-16gb-rom-us-plug-364372#.VJGKc2ctB1s I figured this will hit the trash bin shortly.
I think I may just have jumped the gun in thinking that! ::) :'
I knew you could run Linux from these but I guess I never looked into it much until now.
I spent a few days reading up on this and discovered there are a couple of builds made special for these.
The cool thing is these run from the mini SD card. Remove it, restart and the android OS is still there so not flashing to worry about.
Reading users comments about running raspi for controlling their HA setups got me thinking.
These are basically a raspi may be with more ram (depending on model).
I may at some point try a Raspi SD boot disk but for now Linux is purring along with HomeGenie installed just nicely.
The MK802 is slow to load Linux and running a web browser is impossible (for some reason pages won't display)
This isn't a big concern for me as it runs Homegenie with the CM15A connected just fine.
I may connect it to the TV there but most likely never view it.
Many user shy away from Linux as it looks like you have to be a programmer to set it up.
This isn't the case any longer and installing Homegenie was like installing a Windows program just click on the installer and let it run.
I haven't tested Zwave on this yet but will.
I don't have any Zwave at the cottage anyways so that's not a must for me anyhow.
Power consumption is the key there and with this only using 5 volts I can't go wrong.
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Since my Mk802 wasn't getting much use at the off grid place I decided to play with it more this winter.
With Mini PCs now on the market for under $100 with windows 8 installed http://www.dx.com/p/meegopad-t01-quad-core-android-4-4-windows-8-hdmi-google-tv-player-w-2gb-ram-16gb-rom-us-plug-364372#.VJGKc2ctB1s I figured this will hit the trash bin shortly.
I think I may just have jumped the gun in thinking that!
I knew you could run Linux from these but I guess I never looked into it much until now.
I spent a few days reading up on this and discovered there are a couple of builds made special for these.
The cool thing is these run from the mini SD card. Remove it, restart and the android OS is still there so not flashing to worry about.
.... it runs Homegenie with the CM15A connected just fine. I may connect it to the TV there but most likely never view it.
I keep forgetting about these. I think these may be the HA PC's of the future. Your on top of this!
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I have a couple of threads on my forum with info on these.
http://tuicemen.com/forum/index.php?board=60.0
One includes the info to install Linux, the links Dave posted earlier are now dead.
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For anyone just beginning with this, the Raspberry Pi B+ at $35 is probably a better option both economically and in ease of use. There are several versions of Linux for it as well as a few Android versions. It does need a WiFi dongle (or wired ethernet) but they are available for under $10. I have one but I'm afraid my days of experimenting are over as my spinal cord problem has worsened and my neurosurgeon says surgery to deal with it is very risky.
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For anyone just beginning with this, the Raspberry Pi B+ at $35 is probably a better option both economically and in ease of use. There are several versions of Linux for it as well as a few Android versions. It does need a WiFi dongle (or wired ethernet) but they are available for under $10. I have one but I'm afraid my days of experimenting are over as my spinal cord problem has worsened and my neurosurgeon says surgery to deal with it is very risky.
The Raspberry is probably cheaper then trying to find a cheep Android mini PC but I'd go with the Banana Pi as it is faster then the Raspberry and I believe Wi-Fi is included.
Sorry to hear your days of experimenting are over!
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I Just noticed Dealexstream has a MK 809III on for 49.99 free shipping.
So depending what a user is looking to do it may be a better option however I have no experience with one.
The special Linux images I have for the MK802 won't work with it .
http://www.dx.com/p/mk809-iii-b-quad-core-android-4-1-mini-pc-google-tv-player-w-2gb-ram-8gb-rom-bluetooth-black-217396#.VJRrYMBGA
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The Raspberry is probably cheaper then trying to find a cheep Android mini PC but I'd go with the Banana Pi as it is faster then the Raspberry and I believe Wi-Fi is included.
No. It has ethernet but you'll need the $8 Edimax USB/WiFi dongle for WiFi same as the RasPi. BTW, there's a script available that allows you to configure the Edimax w/o having the ethernet connection live.
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The Raspberry is probably cheaper then trying to find a cheep Android mini PC but I'd go with the Banana Pi as it is faster then the Raspberry and I believe Wi-Fi is included.
No. It has ethernet but you'll need the $8 Edimax USB/WiFi dongle for WiFi same as the RasPi.
True I must have been thinking of the Hummingboard (http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2014/04/23/hummingboard-banana-pi/1) B:(
There are just so many options out there now! ::)
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There are just so many options out there now! ::)
There are even some that run Windows.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-best-hdmi-operating-system-sticks/ (http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-best-hdmi-operating-system-sticks/)