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📱X10 WIFI => 🐞X10 WIFI App problems or bugs => Topic started by: Ronnie1234 on January 30, 2018, 01:49:16 PM
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Can’t get Dawn to work on the WiFi Hub. Is anyone having that problem. I’m programming with an iPhone
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Are you saving after setting I have dusk working flawless with android.
I dont use dawn but will program one to test now.
I know it was working prior to the release.
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I'm using both dusk and dawn with offsets. No problems on this end.
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Dawn timer worked fine here but I'm using Android.
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Dust and Dawn work fine for me on IOS
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I see that timer programming includes dusk/dawn settings. Does this also allow for offsets to the dusk/dawn times? Thanks.
You might want to try TWO timed events.... if I understand what your doing. I have some lights that come on at dusk and shut off at midnight. Then they come back on around 5 am... and shut off at sunrise.
1st timer Dusk till 1201AM
2nd timer 5AM to sunrise
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I’m having issues of my dusk timer starts one hour late and I check to make sure my iPad is set to the correct time zone I also deleted the timers and reprogrammed them did a factory reset. Other timers work fine. Not sure what else to do?
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Did you do a manual time sync from settings?
Have you tried a wm100 hard reset?
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There is definitely an issue with Dusk/Dawn timers. When using them I find that they are always late. It would be good to see what time the unit thinks it is, as well as what time it thinks dusk/dawn is.
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When you first install the app it asks if you wish it to access your location that is used to calculate your Dusk Dawn.
If you denied that your Dusk dawn will be off.
I suspect if you have that feature turned of in the device you initially setup the WM100 I suspect that will also cause dusk dawn to be incorrect.
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Curious for myself, and the x-10 support folks: Anyone else have issues with dawn/dusk turning lights on/ off? Timer works perfectly for my outside lights but no signal is sent dawn/dusk per history. I did indeed allow location upon set up. Also, using 3 devices - iphone 6s/11.2.5, ipad 9.3.5, samsung tablet 7.1.1. WM100 is 2 feet from breaker box, 10 feet from wifi, no signal issues at all - either way.. Thoughts?? Thx!
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For those with the Dusk Dawn time issue.
I wonder what is your location?
Who is your carrier?
What OS and version#of Phone you did the initial setup with?
I would expect the date code stickers to be the same but just in case, what is on it (round sticker on back of WM100)?
If we can see a commonality there may be a simple fix. ::) :'
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I Just got An Email back on this and it is indeed a bug which the developer is attempting to nail down.
However the info I requested previously will help the developer nail this down much faster.
Authinx has suggested users with Dusk Dawn issues use basic timers till the fix has been coded.
There have been reports of the dawn timer coming on at 1 am (not good) B:(
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When you first install the app it asks if you wish it to access your location that is used to calculate your Dusk Dawn.
If you denied that your Dusk dawn will be off.
Out of force of habit I deny any application that asks my location. The VM100 should have the ability to accept a zip code like other automation software.
Jeff
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I originally though the App would do latitude longitude and supplied a method to do it like AHP does.
the developer apparently thought this was easier. B:(
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I originally though the App would do latitude longitude and supplied a method to do it like AHP does.
Latitude and longitude would obviously work too, but a zip code conversion would be easier for the customer.
For example: https://www.freemaptools.com/convert-us-zip-code-to-lat-lng.htm
Jeff
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Yep, that would work for US customers but not outside the US.
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Out of force of habit I deny any application that asks my location.
I know what you mean.... those old habits are hard to break. I often joke that I am so old... That I still carry pocket change and I don't even know why.
Whereas... I really am attracted to the idea of living in the boonies in an off-grid "Earthship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthship)" made from old tires and shipping containers. But... it ain't gone-a-happen. Meanwhile... all my private information has been hacked at least 3 times, and the NSA listens to every work I speak. Somehow... I think letting an app know my location... isn't so scary.
As a suggestion...... you might want to compile an alternate ID. Pick it, write it down... and stick to it for on-line and other meaningless crap.
Misspell your name
Use a different address
change your birthdate (and year)
use the zip code for that 'other" post office
I always claim to be a guy named Tom... who lives in Canada.
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I originally though the App would do latitude longitude and supplied a method to do it like AHP does.
Latitude and longitude would obviously work too, but a zip code conversion would be easier for the customer.
For example: https://www.freemaptools.com/convert-us-zip-code-to-lat-lng.htm
Jeff
Actually, operating systems do not ask for latitude or longitude, they ask for time zone. And most implementation ask for one major city in that TZ, from which they derive TZ, very simple for most usages.
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I Just got An Email back on this and it is indeed a bug which the developer is attempting to nail down.
However the info I requested previously will help the developer nail this down much faster.
Authinx has suggested users with Dusk Dawn issues use basic timers till the fix has been coded.
There have been reports of the dawn timer coming on at 1 am (not good) B:(
If there is a bug, why isn't everyone reporting it? Android on Samsung Galaxy S 5 (x2), Galaxy Tab E and Tab 4.
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It appears it is a iOS issue according to Authinx.
The developer is having a hard time nailing it down. This is why additional info was requested from forum members.
It may just be specific time zones, phones, carriers, or iOS versions.
The more commonalities that can be found, the quicker it maybe nailed down and a fix applied.
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Just noticed the Porch Light failed to turn on tonight. Will try to report back tomorrow night.
UPDATE: must have been a one time miss, or the wife turned it off. WM100 timers are working wonderfully.
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As an FYI- I'm in NJ, and when at home we've got Optimum as our ISP. I DID most of the set ups using iOS... hmmmm, do I use Android instead? Oh, and yes, upgraded firmware right outta da box!
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As an FYI- I'm in NJ, and when at home we've got Optimum as our ISP. I DID most of the set ups using iOS... hmmmm, do I use Android instead? Oh, and yes, upgraded firmware right outta da box!
I believe the setup being done with iOS is what the developer is thinking is the issue.
If you do have an android device you may try redoing the dusk dawn with it and see if that helps.
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Just noticed the Porch Light failed to turn on tonight. Will try to report back tomorrow night.
Or... it could be the bulb?
I've been converting things to Homeseer (having trouble mastering events, aka macros)... as well as the WM100 (all my timers are working well there). With somethings I am depending for alerts on my phone.... a little from here, a little from there. I've lived with back-ups to my back-ups for so long..... now I am trying to RE-imagine the entire setup. It's frustrating... and a lot of fun.
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Or... it could be the bulb?
Nope. Turned it on the old fashioned way -- with an app on my phone.
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As an FYI- I'm in NJ, and when at home we've got Optimum as our ISP. I DID most of the set ups using iOS... hmmmm, do I use Android instead? Oh, and yes, upgraded firmware right outta da box!
I believe the setup being done with iOS is what the developer is thinking is the issue.
If you do have an android device you may try redoing the dusk dawn with it and see if that helps.
I am in Quebec, Canada, same TZ as New York, With Bell as an ISP, and I have the inoperative Dawn/Dusk problem also on my Android 7 Motorola Moto G5.
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... Turned it on the old fashioned way -- with an app on my phone.
rofl Yep. Just like the way we did it in the ole days. Methodical trouble shoot is essential to HA.
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Just noticed the Porch Light failed to turn on tonight. Will try to report back tomorrow night.
UPDATE: must have been a one time miss, or the wife turned it off. WM100 timers are working wonderfully.
Ok, so a failed dust timer again tonight. This was after I disconnected my Internet (did not unplug the WM100) and tried to connect with the app over a WiFi LAN without internet.
I later reconnected the Internet and connected with the app, but just noticed the light failed to turn on.
Is there a connection to these events? I may need another forum member to duplicate the experiment to find out.
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I had done the disconnect reconnect modem thing after you posted just to confirm the internet requirement.
I only have one dusk timer though and it still cam on when it was suppose to.
I also have not experienced the dusk bug(yet).
It should be noted I have done an app uninstall and a hard reset of the WM100 prior. These things may have fixed the Dusk bug before it was noticed by me. ::) :'
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..... Ok, so a failed dust timer again tonight. This was after I disconnect.......
I have 3 sets of X10 lights (that all share the same House/unit code).... that come on at dusk. The reason they share the same setting is to avoid signal collisions. I just wonder... with a system as large as your's (even as expertly put together as I am sure yours setup is) if you might not be having a signal collision. Could you have a dusk timer hidden away on a CM15A somewhere?
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That is a possibility, however, I'm just running 1 CM15 at this stage, and there was no activity from that time frame last night. Plus, the WM100 and CM15 are both polite, and I haven't had a TM751 in service for years. I do still run RR501's but not for much. The only time I used them was to interface the HomeLinc buttons from my car to turn on the porch light. I got rid of the car, and currently don't have a vehicle with HomeLinc.
UPDATE: Found the culprit!!!!
Somehow, the Dusk On 5M timer that fires every day of the week got changed from "Repeat Weekly" to "Once".
I have corrected the error, and will have to wait over a week to see if it functions correctly.
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My location is correct. The dusk timer comes on exactly one hour late. So I adjusted it to turn on 30 minutes before, which is now 30 minutes after dusk. Glad to know it is a glitch in the software. I did check the history and found that the dusk timer works just one hour later as I stated before. I'm sure there are going to be bugs and they will get worked out. For $100 I'm happy to get all my X10 parts working again.
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Whereas... I really am attracted to the idea of living in the boonies in an off-grid "Earthship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthship)" made from old tires and shipping containers.
Been thinking same thing. I like the shipping container idea. I'm envious of Tuicemen with his off grid 2nd home, but my boonies will be in a warmer location.
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Whereas... I really am attracted to the idea of living in the boonies in an off-grid "Earthship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthship)" made from old tires and shipping containers.
Been thinking same thing. I like the shipping container idea. I'm envious of Tuicemen with his off grid 2nd home, but my boonies will be in a warmer location.
I had at one time.... also considered a seaborne retirement lifestyle. 30 years ago.... I used to say with tech advances a person would be able to remain fully connected to the world while sailing nearly anywhere. And today.... the technology is even better than I would have ever imagined. Of course.... 30 years ago... I used to imagine my retirement companion as youthful and bikini-clad. But as I aged.... more and more I imagined myself alone on the boat.
Now, retired, and on wife #3.... with local grandkids... I haven't contemplated any major changes in lifestyle. But I do really like the idea of a little snowbirding.
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Actually, operating systems do not ask for latitude or longitude, they ask for time zone. And most implementation ask for one major city in that TZ, from which they derive TZ, very simple for most usages.
True, but operating systems typically aren't trying to calculate when sunrise and sunset are. The formula for that requires your latitude and longitude, not just your timezone.
Yep, that would work for US customers but not outside the US.
Actually it works with Canadian Postal Codes as well.
Just as long as they don't use your IP address to determine your location. For me, my IP based geolocation is usually off by about 400 km (250 miles) or more, which can change things by over 20 minutes (depending on the date). I could fix that by paying for a static IP address, but I would rather not have to.
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Thought I'd share today's findings:
X10 app was updated for Android (7.1.1), but no iOS update?.
I set dusk/dawn with Samsung/Android tablet (wifi only).
Dusk, Freehold, NJ 5:58p, lights went on at 6:29p.
Dawn, 6:24a, lights out at 7:51a.
I do know that at times, when accessing a website (or even iTunes, etc) that wants access to location, it's way off.. for some odd reason Optimum reports I'm 2 towns over?
Just as an FYI..
Anyone know which device actually seeks out dawn/dusk? If the hub, then nothing I can do.
If the device that's doing the programming, I can try turning off wifi on my cell and using data?
(Tinkering... til the fix is released, and yes, I've also reverted to timer settings, that works too..)
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Judging from some of the reports I don't think there is a universal work around for this.
I know each time you connect to the HUB the times are compared and a popup displays if they are off.
This morning I wondered if you had two devices one always connected (say a tablet charging) and changed the time in your Phone then connect what would happen?
The Hub would see two different times, how would it determine which to use?
If it uses time from the device that is already connected then you could set the time zone on that device so the dusk dawn timers worked correctly.
Just changing the time zone and keeping the correct time may not cause a Sync time pop up. ::) :'
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I had LOCATION setting set to "Only when using app" on the initial set-up today.
My WM 100 executed my first 2 timed events within 2 minutes of each other perfectly.
However, my FIRST Dusk setting must have been rejected because nothing happened.
I set LOCATION to: Always and I will see if my DAWN settings will work tomorrow.
One more question: Is there a way to save all of my iPhone X-10 settings if my phone somehow gets wiped?
The programming here takes about an hour. Many devices/times. I don't wan to go through that process again.
AHP always had good back-up. Even in serial days.
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Stored on the WM100. You can "SYNC" and all will return.
Same with any changes on your phone will "sync" with WM100.
But you will go to setup to SYNC
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I don't think the first DUSK failure was due to LOCATION setting set to "Only when using app" on the initial set-up today.
Why? Because I waited this AM and saw that my real DAWN was one hour BEFORE the program made the DAWN execution. However, it DID make the execution and hour late and the 30 minute DAWN offset timer was off exactly by and hour and a half.
QUESTION: How do I correct this error???
I have been putting up with Daylight Savings time errors for YEARS because Active Home Pro software was ignored for years.
I'm hoping a programmer can FIX THIS PROBLEM ASAP because there is NO EXCUSE for this type of CODE ERROR in 2018.
PLEASE FIX ASAP and also find a way to BACK UP ALL INFORMATION to be reloaded from a different source in case BOTH the iPhone and WM100 are wiped.
And, is the RAM volatile? Why? If I unplug this unit, it should have a capacitor that could back up for weeks. Power loss is no excuse for programming when out of town. I didn't buy into a BETA test. Like I said before...it's 2018, not 1978!
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You will not lose you data on the Wm with a power failure or un pluging and moving to another outlet. The developer is working on the dusk dawn issue which note everyone is experiencing. That makes it hard to track down.
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You will not lose you data on the Wm with a power failure or un pluging and moving to another outlet. The developer is working on the dusk dawn issue which note everyone is experiencing. That makes it hard to track down.
Thanks for the quick update. I understand that not all are experiencing. However, I'd like to find out the nadir of the situation before I formulate a work a round.
I am on the cusp of 2 time zones. However, it's at least 100 miles. My DAWN executed ONE FULL hour after sunrise...to the minute.
With AHP, the program did not know when the changeover point was because the USA has gone through a few changeover dates in the 21st century.
I'm assuming the programming is being done in CHINA, therefore there may most likely be a problem with knowing the DST changeover date.
And, speaking of time, I got nailed this AM (only had the item 48 hours) with an AM/PM deviation.
PLEASE CODE FOR A 24 hour clock. This AM/PM for adults is ridiculous. With a 24 hour clock, these errors can't be made.
If X-10 is reading, I had one of of the first IR sensors X-10 made in the early 1980's and spent my time in the 1970's going through dumpsters at Radio Shack.
I've been through every point of this evolutionary automation process and the X10 Wi-Fi is the best thing to ever happen to home automation ON A BUDGET!
But, I still want my lights on my house coming on within +/- one minute of official dawn/dusk. Anything less than that is pure Beta testing by the public.
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PLEASE CODE FOR A 24 hour clock. This AM/PM for adults is ridiculous. With a 24 hour clock, these errors can't be made.
While I am totally comfortable with a 24 hour clock, I believe most people would prefer AM/PM. There are very few devices (maybe none) that use a 24 hour clock in a typical home. I suspect a lot of people would not realize 17:00 meant 5PM.
Jeff
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I'm going to use a work around for the DAWN/DUSK problem buy adding a minus 30 to all of the DAWN/DUSK settings.
This will have to suffice until they fix the DST problem on the WM 100. EXACTLY one hour slow of sunrise, sunset.
ALL OTHER TIMERS ARE PERFECT!
BTW to the response above, I had a BSR combo CD/Cassette recorder back in the day. Perfect Cassettes from CD's,
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Birmingham Sound Reproducers left the building
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Birmingham Sound Reproducers left the building
ADC Accutrac 4000 - grand daddy of X10.
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Birmingham Sound Reproducers left the building
ADC Accutrac 4000 - grand daddy of X10.
I always regret that I never bought one from Drew A. Kaplan back in the day. There are times when I consider adding one to my collection (along with a Hilton AC-300), but there are other time when I wonder why I even have any of my vinyl clutter. I think I still have over 10 turntables and several changers. It's all just clutter.
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EXACTLY one hour late DAWN & DUSK.
Like above, use -30 and you’ll be 30 late for both DAWN & DUSK.
Your DUSK time will work out almost perfectly for no light left from the sun.
As a pilot, you can’t log night flying time until 30 minutes after official sunset.
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In the 80's I lived in LA and always enjoyed visiting the DAK showroom where their catalog came to life. In addition to the stuff in the catalog they had a lot of open box deals and small quantities of other products only sold in the store. Although I haven't used it in awhile, I still have a DAK bread maker which we actually used quite bit and it made great bread.
It was the DAK catalog that got me started with X10.
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PLEASE CODE FOR A 24 hour clock. This AM/PM for adults is ridiculous. With a 24 hour clock, these errors can't be made.
While I am totally comfortable with a 24 hour clock, I believe most people would prefer AM/PM. There are very few devices (maybe none) that use a 24 hour clock in a typical home. I suspect a lot of people would not realize 17:00 meant 5PM.
Jeff
I am one of those folks that would have an issue with 24 hour time. It is fine for time stamping data records, but we have always referred to AM/PM hours. In music it was not "Seventeen O'clock World" or "Working Nine to Seventeen". And would you turn on your TV to watch the "Eighteen O'clock News"? It is subtracting 12 that is the issue.
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I always called them hundred hours. I work in public safety where it's the norm. I think a dual option would be awesome.
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Adding to this string.... I also notice that a timer event scheduled for dusk (-30) is being executed well into dark! Running V0.0.23 firmware.
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I am one of those folks that would have an issue with 24 hour time.
I agree. I have a DVR that displays time as AM or PM but setting time is 24 hour. Makes me nuts. Too many times I have set the wrong time by 12 hours.
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Dusk timer needs to allow dimming capabilities when setting up dimmer switches. You can set that on the regular timer, but not dusk/dawn.
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Seems that my DAWN/OFF timers quit around the beginning of July. Everything still comes on at dusk plus whatever, but nothing is going off at dawn plus whatever.
I have to shut everything off in the app.
Not a signal issue, the app reports everything as on. The sun has been up for 3 plus hours now and I just shut down my outside lights.
On a side note, around the same time things went flakey, the app reported the time as off by 12 hours and I had to resync.
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Seems that my DAWN/OFF timers quit around the beginning of July. Everything still comes on at dusk plus whatever, but nothing is going off at dawn plus whatever.
I have to shut everything off in the app.
Not a signal issue, the app reports everything as on. The sun has been up for 3 plus hours now and I just shut down my outside lights.
On a side note, around the same time things went flakey, the app reported the time as off by 12 hours and I had to resync.
I wonder if you may have had a power spike or brown out that messed up the WMs memory. ???
You may have to reset the WM to factory (not the app) but maybe the app as well.
This is what I'd try,
1: Reset the app to factory and log on to existing HUB. once the app is synced with the HUB check your devices and timers.
If everything looks good test your timers if things don't return to how they were prior to the dawn timers failing try #2
2: Reset the HUB (not the App) the last time I tried this I could still connect to the HUB once back online But there is no guarantee this will work for you. You may have to setup the HUBs connection with another phone but don't setup any devices. Then attempt to use your phone with the devices configured don't sync even if the app asks..
go into each device and click save.
Then test to see if you can turn on off the devices and Dawn timers return.
Again this may not work and you will lose all devices meaning you'll have to reconfigure everything :(
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Baby steps first. I resynced everything this morning. Hopefully that will be the easy fix.
I really don't want to reconfig the system. 32 devices and most have complex timer setups.
Also have 8 scenes.
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Understood. ;)
I did the above with very few devices, timers and scenes only as a test with my last beta unit which is now bricked due to last round of testings.
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Solution #1 as a simple sync has failed.
Going to uninstall/reinstall.