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Title: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: dave w on November 16, 2006, 12:44:34 PM
Hey "oldtimers" !

I am trying to locate about six of the vintage 1980's-1990's "light bulb life extender" diode disk that you attached to a light bulb base or dropped in the light socket. The diode cut voltage to the bulb by half, thus greatly extending the life (very handy for difficult to access locations, which I have four of).  I remember seeing "lots" (quantities of +1000 as I remember) of them on eBay about a year or so ago, so I suspect the manufacturer may have gone out of business.

Anyone know where I can get some of these?

Thanks!!!
DAW

Title: Re: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: steven r on November 16, 2006, 12:49:56 PM
I've decided I could use a half dozen myself.
BTW... There's no reason why they would affect an X10 signal is there? Also anyone remember how much do they reduce the light output?
Title: Re: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: Puck on November 16, 2006, 01:21:09 PM
BTW... There's no reason why they would affect an X10 signal is there?

I don't have any so I don't know for sure, but the only potential problem might be with switches that don't use the Neutral wire and get that path thru the light bulb for their internal circuitry.

I'm sure there has to be an oldtimer out there that uses them and can say for sure.
Title: Re: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: TakeTheActive on November 16, 2006, 10:12:54 PM

...Also anyone remember how much do they reduce the light output?

I'd like to say about 50%, because, logically the bulb is only getting ½ of the sine wave. But, IIRC, reading on the NG:comp.home.automation, duty-cycle vs. watts consumed wasn't proportional (SEARCH for Dave Houston - he did a *LOT* of interesting tests).

Quote from: From Puck's LINK
One device sold to do this is an ordinary silicon diode built into a cap that is made to stick to the base of a light bulb. A diode lets current through in only one direction, causing the bulb to get power only 50 percent of the time if it is operated on AC. This effectively reduces the applied voltage by about 30 percent. (Reducing the voltage to its original value times the square root of .5 results in the same power consumption as applying full voltage half the time.) The life expectancy is increased very dramatically. However, the power consumption is reduced by about 40 percent (not 50 since the cooler filament has less resistance) and light output is reduced by about 70 percent (cooler filaments are less efficient at radiating visible light).

Before *CHEAP* CFLs, I replaced a 25 Watt Tungsten in the kitchen over the little breakfast table with a 40 Watt Tungsten with thumbswitch / diode. WAF didn't change, so, I guess it was close. :-\


...There's no reason why they would affect an X10 signal is there?

Come on Steven - what kind of Tinkerer / Oldtimer are you? ::)


Please be sure to post your results!  ;)
Title: Re: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: dave w on November 17, 2006, 11:59:45 AM
Sooooo I guess this means nobody knows where Steve and I can get some, huh? (I'm referring to the "Light Bulb Life Extenders"!!)
Title: Re: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: Puck on November 17, 2006, 12:23:57 PM
Searched around but couldn't find them... but I found this interesting:

The History Of Incandescent Bulbs (http://www.bulbs.com/lightingguide/tech_i_history.asp)

Maybe ask their Customer Service if they carry them.  ;)
Title: Re: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: KDR on November 17, 2006, 12:54:36 PM
I almost fond them :-[     THE BUTTON: Sold Out! No longer available. (http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&Action=Catalog&Type=Product&ID=14235)


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Title: Re: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: dave w on November 17, 2006, 02:47:38 PM
Well rats!!

But thanks to all for all the help!
Title: Re: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: FromDimension12 on December 01, 2006, 08:37:17 PM
Rather than bothering with varistor or diode disks, a better way to go is to use the current generation of spiral glass fluorescent bulbs. The 13 watt variety is equivalent to a 60 watt incandescent lamp. These bulbs save a ton of energy and are very long lasting. They are not suitable for X10 brightness control but may be easily turned on and off using appliance modules. Good sources include Lowe's and Home Depot.

Advice from Beyond

Title: Re: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: Dan Lawrence on December 01, 2006, 10:44:38 PM
CFLs are fine in LM15A Socket Rockets.  Since  Socket Rockets don't dim, they are perfect with them.
Title: Re: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: TakeTheActive on December 02, 2006, 12:46:10 AM
Tick... Tick... Tick... ;)
Title: Re: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: dave w on December 04, 2006, 11:59:38 AM
Thanks "FromDimension12"
But I want to extend the life of some application specific, incandesent bulbs. I need to source the diode disks, or throw some 1N4006 in the line.

Title: Re: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: steven r on December 04, 2006, 12:35:43 PM
Has anyone tried putting a diode in series with the switch?
Would this be safe? If so, what diode would you recommend?
Title: Re: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: dave w on December 04, 2006, 12:51:30 PM
Has anyone tried putting a diode in series with the switch?
Would this be safe? If so, what diode would you recommend?

Yes
Maybe-maybe not. Definately ain't "code".
These'll do.
http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/item/D660/205/RECT_DIODE_6AMP_600PIV_.html
Title: Re: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: vhoang on December 04, 2006, 01:59:38 PM
Overstock.Com: Longlite Energy-saving Light Bulb Semiconductors (25-pack) @ $50.00 (http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PRODUCT&PROD_ID=2105792&cid=25608&fp=F)
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(http://images.overstock.com/f/102/3117/8h/www.overstock.com/images/products/L10389245.jpg)
Longlite Energy-saving Light Bulb Semiconductors (25-pack)
Used by many large and well known hotel and industrial businesses for years, Longlite is now offering this energy saving device for residential home use in a 25-count pack. The patented and UL/CE certified QL-3 is a semiconductor power control device. Their documented technology increases lamp life by 300 percent and saves 10-percent energy. In addition, the QL-3's Soft Start capability protects the lamp against unwanted voltage spikes, including during in-rush.

Simply peel off the adhesive backing and secure the semiconductor to the base of your home light bulbs.

  • Attaches to bottom of bulb contact with transfer adhesive
  • Use with existing or new bulb 
  • 120- and 130-volt applications 
  • Up to 150 watts 
  • Universal operating position 
  • Dimmable with standard dimmers 
  • Patented Micro-chip technology uses speed switching to control and reduce the voltage received by the lamp 
  • Soft Start technology protects against in-rush 
  • Supports Energy Star, Energy policy Act Standards, and LEED, ASHRAE/IES initiatives 
  • Conserves natural resources and reduces pollution 
  • Maintains visible light level 
  • Flicker free 
  • No audible line noise 
  • No interruption of the tungsten halogen cycle 
  • No change in Color Rendering Index (CRI) 
  • No changes to color temperature (chromaticity or Kelvins) 

For use ONLY with incandescent and halogen type light bulbs. Will NOT work on fluorescent bulbs.

Warranty: 1 Year -- Manufacturer
Materials: Plastic, metal
Model No: QL-3
Dimensions: .75 in. x .25 in.


aka: longlite[/size]


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Title: Re: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: steven r on December 04, 2006, 02:15:38 PM
http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?PAGE=PRODUCT&PROD_ID=2105792&cid=25608&fp=F

aka: longlite
That wins a helpful from me.
dave w: Is this what we want? It's about 5 times as many as I need. Want to split a pack?
Title: Re: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: TakeTheActive on December 04, 2006, 02:21:07 PM

dave w: Is this what we want? It's about 5 times as many as I need. Want to split a pack?

DIS looks like DEM! ;D

Youse guys betta get'em while they's still in stock! :o  [$1.00 Shipping - "Such a deal!" :D ]

Thanks for locating them vhoang. :)
Title: Re: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: vhoang on December 04, 2006, 02:44:38 PM
Aside from being a part time automation guy, I am a part time bargain hunter... ;)
Title: Re: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: hfbar on January 26, 2007, 09:52:31 AM
You can also get Longlites here: Nextten: 12-pack Longlite @ $29.95 (http://www.nextten.com/14209.aspx) (24 @ $49.95, 48 @ $79.95)

Quote from: Nextten
How does this ingenious device work?
The Longlite uses a proprietary and patented “speed switching” microchip technology. Imagine only changing those bulbs in hard to reach places 1/3 as often, or buying 66% less of those expensive light bulbs. And imagine saving 10% of your lighting energy costs the moment you attach a Longlite to one of your light bulbs.

They are much better than the old buttons because they do not reduce the light levels they way the old button did because they are not cutting the sine wave in half and effectively going from a ac to a dc.  I have used them for the past 3 years on all my expensive bulbs and they work great.


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Title: Re: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: JMac on January 26, 2007, 10:07:26 AM
What's the difference between a "medium base" and a "candelabra base"?  Would the medium base be for the 60 watt bulb?
Title: Re: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: TakeTheActive on January 26, 2007, 12:32:03 PM
What's the difference between a "medium base" and a "candelabra base"?  Would the medium base be for the 60 watt bulb?

GOOGLE (Image, not Web): base medium candelabra

;)
Title: Re: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: TakeTheActive on January 26, 2007, 12:36:01 PM
dave w:

What did you end up doing? ???  Button, in-line diode, other?
Title: Re: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: dave w on January 29, 2007, 01:23:07 PM
I ended up getting five buttons from Ohio Power for $20.

But they are not the old diode disks. These are new technology, and use a "switching circuit" to give the bulb a soft start. They claim to reduce light output only about 10%, so I guess they do something besides soft start.

They were intended for the lanterns at the entrance to our subdivision so the association wouldn't be rebulbing every two months. One bulb burned out within 4 days of installation...unrelated "infant component mortality" undoubtedly, however the non "techno geek" association assumes the disks will soon cause the other three bulbs to fail also. At which time I plan on convincing them to purchase LED bulbs. If one of those burns out prematurely, we will be forced to move our house.  :D
Title: Re: WTB: Bulb Life Extenders
Post by: gil shultz on July 11, 2007, 01:29:57 AM
Good Evening,

It appears that there are many ways of solving this problem if you want to put a lot of effort in it.  I was faced with this problem but I decided not to modify the home wiring and I did not want the button i the socket as it will add heat.  I took an hour and went to my local electrical wholesaler and purchased 245 volt bulbs.  They were not cost prohibitive and there are several different voltages available.  The light has a bit more red and a bit dimmer, easy to measure but hard to see with the eye.

I took this approach about twenty years ago.  I put them in the stare wells and garage.  All are still working just fine.
Gil Shultz