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🔌General Home Automation => Automating Your House => Topic started by: drathnow on February 09, 2007, 04:01:28 PM

Title: What to use for heavy duty circuit
Post by: drathnow on February 09, 2007, 04:01:28 PM

I'm an X10 newbie so could some kind soul provide me with a bit of help:

I'm installing a dust collection system in my home wood shop and would like to automate the on/off function of the system.  The motor needs 230V/20.8 amps to run but will need to be on a 30 amp circuit because of the extra juice it needs at startup.

I was hoping for one of two possible setups:

1. A small remote on/off switch (key chain size) to turn the system on and off.

2. Have the system come on when I power on certain machines in my shop.  Because of the power draw, there would likely need to be some kind of delay between the two coming on so the breaker doesn't blow.


Are there x10 components that could do either of these setups?

Thanks
Dave.
Title: Re: What to use for heavy duty circuit
Post by: glt on February 09, 2007, 04:33:33 PM
Here's a start....

http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/jsearch/product.jsp?pn=100396543

(BTW 20 amp modules are much cheaper)

Then I suppose any cheap X10 keyfob remote and a transceiver (RR501/TM751) would do.

http://cgi.ebay.com/X10-Wireless-Keychain-Remote-Control-Kit-RC6500_W0QQitemZ330086827459QQihZ014QQcategoryZ50584QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



In order to automatically start when other items turn on you would need something like this:

http://www.crmagnetics.com/newprod/ProductView.asp?ProdName=CR3110
http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Criteria?Ref=34265&Site=US&Cat=34996899

along with a powerflash module:

http://www.smarthome.com/4060.html
http://cgi.ebay.com/X-10-PRO-PSC01-Powerflash-Module-PF284-BRAND-NEW-X10_W0QQitemZ250082348232QQihZ015QQcategoryZ50583QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

(I use the same 2 items to turn off my wireless sound system when I turn on my microwave. Running through a software program there is a 1-2 second delay before the sound system goes off.)

For a longer delay after starting (and to turn OFF the blower sometime after the other equipment stops), I would use a software program and a macro triggered by the universal module.

There may be a better/different way.

GLT
Title: Re: What to use for heavy duty circuit
Post by: TakeTheActive on February 10, 2007, 12:47:01 AM
Hi glt!

[This started out as a PM but as I composed it, I felt that OTHERS could also benefit from it's contents. So, please don't take this as something DIRECTED SPECIFICALLY TOWARDS YOU - it's just a COMMENT / EXAMPLE for everyone to read.]

You certainly know that we appreicate *ANYONE* who helps out here, but...

Is it *REALLY* that much more effort to create 'CLEAN / DESCRIPTIVE' LINKs?
ORIGINAL:

Here's a start....

http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/jsearch/product.jsp?pn=100396543

(BTW 20 amp modules are much cheaper)

Then I suppose any cheap X10 keyfob remote and a transceiver (RR501/TM751) would do.

http://cgi.ebay.com/X10-Wireless-Keychain-Remote-Control-Kit-RC6500_W0QQitemZ330086827459QQihZ014QQcategoryZ50584QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



In order to automatically start when other items turn on you would need something like this:

http://www.crmagnetics.com/newprod/ProductView.asp?ProdName=CR3110
http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Criteria?Ref=34265&Site=US&Cat=34996899

along with a powerflash module:

http://www.smarthome.com/4060.html
http://cgi.ebay.com/X-10-PRO-PSC01-Powerflash-Module-PF284-BRAND-NEW-X10_W0QQitemZ250082348232QQihZ015QQcategoryZ50583QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

(I use the same 2 items to turn off my wireless sound system when I turn on my microwave. Running through a software program there is a 1-2 second delay before the sound system goes off.)

For a longer delay after starting (and to turn OFF the blower sometime after the other equipment stops), I would use a software program and a macro triggered by the universal module.

There may be a better/different way.

GLT
REVISED:

Here's a start....

The Home Depot: 30-Amp Appliance Relay Module (http://www.homedepot.com/prel80/HDUS/EN_US/jsearch/product.jsp?pn=100396543) (BTW 20 amp modules are much cheaper)

Then I suppose any cheap X10 keyfob remote and a transceiver (RR501/TM751) would do: X10 Wireless Keychain Remote Control Kit (RC6500) (http://cgi.ebay.com/X10-Wireless-Keychain-Remote-Control-Kit-RC6500_W0QQitemZ330086827459QQihZ014QQcategoryZ50584QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

In order to automatically start when other items turn on, you would need something like this:

along with a powerflash module:

(I use the same 2 items to turn off my wireless sound system when I turn on my microwave. Running through a software program there is a 1-2 second delay before the sound system goes off.)

For a longer delay after starting (and to turn OFF the blower sometime after the other equipment stops), I would use a software program and a macro triggered by the universal module.

There may be a better/different way.

GLT
Title: Re: What to use for heavy duty circuit
Post by: Dan Lawrence on February 10, 2007, 08:31:16 AM
All good, but the OP said he needs something in the 230 volt range to control the motor. The ELK module is rated for 30+ amps, but it's 110 volts per the .pdf.
Title: Re: What to use for heavy duty circuit
Post by: glt on February 10, 2007, 08:51:12 AM
This module is hardwired between the power from the circuit breaker panel and the appliance it controls. It can be controlled remotely by an X10 command from any X10 transmitter, or locally by physically pressing the ON/OFF button on the panel. Depending on your needs, it can even be configured to control two 120VAC appliances instead of a single 240VAC appliance.


Specifications
 
Elk Product No.: 9100
Capability: Configure to control a single 240VAC appliance or two 120VAC appliances
Commands: Responds to: ON, OFF, and STATUS REQUEST
Relay Module Dimensions: 4.36 in. W x 6.36 in. H x 2 in. D

GLT

http://www.smarthome.com/1289.html
Title: Re: What to use for heavy duty circuit
Post by: HA Dave on February 10, 2007, 10:23:29 AM
glt

I am impressed with your set-up and and use of X10 (format aside). Thank You for sharing that with us!