X10 Community Forum

🔌General Home Automation => Automating Your House => Troubleshooting Automation Problems => Topic started by: notimpressed on January 30, 2008, 10:59:44 PM

Title: XPS3 ( X10 Pro ) switch leakage / LED display
Post by: notimpressed on January 30, 2008, 10:59:44 PM: I installed 2 XPS3 switches to drive my outdoor Xmas light outlets. They work fine, but i noticed two strange things:
- the indicator LED on the top of the switch is dimly lit when the switch is off
- there is enough ( current/voltage ) when the switch is off to dimly ( very dimly ) light a string of LED XMAS lights
Since these are controlled by a (noisy!) relay, I can't figure out why there should be any leakage. Have I swapped the load and hot to cause this behaviour ?

I just installed another XPS3 elsewhere and the LED on the switch acts as expected -- off when switch is off, on when switch is on. Not sure about any leakage current/voltage since that load isn't an LED string.

In both cases I'm pretty sure I found the hot ( as opposed to the load ) by using one of those volting sensing beeper-thingies.

Any thoughts or advice appreciated.

-NI
Title: Re: XPS3 ( X10 Pro ) switch leakage / LED display
Post by: steven r on January 31, 2008, 12:31:12 PM: Most appliance modules and switches have a small current that travels though the load for local control. LED lights require such a small load that they will light even when "off". While there are mods to eliminate local control, the simplest solution is to simply plug a standard night light in parallel with the load.
If you search the forum, you'll find several discussions on the subject of controlling LED lights.
Title: Re: XPS3 ( X10 Pro ) switch leakage / LED display
Post by: notimpressed on January 31, 2008, 08:06:24 PM: Thanks Steven. I'll do a better job of searching the forums next time. I'll try the nightlight trick next Xmas.

So, is it normal for the LED on the XPS3 switch to be dimly on when using LED lights ( is that the same issue with the sense current ? )

-NI
Title: Re: XPS3 ( X10 Pro ) switch leakage / LED display
Post by: Brian H on February 01, 2008, 06:50:51 AM: The sensing circuit can also be triggered by some brand CFLs. You turn them off and that go back on. I have tried a few LED Bulbs and mine glow at about 1/2 brightness on both appliance and light modules.
Title: Re: XPS3 ( X10 Pro ) switch leakage / LED display
Post by: notimpressed on February 02, 2008, 06:15:11 PM: Thanks for the info, StevenR. I've seen the same thing on appliance modules driving CFLs.

My remaining question is why are the LEDs on the XPS3 switches ( not on my LED XMAS lights string that are controlled by the switch ) dimly lit when off?

A second installation of an XPS3 switch does not do this.

-NI
Title: Re: XPS3 ( X10 Pro ) switch leakage / LED display
Post by: Oldtimer on February 02, 2008, 07:33:20 PM: Quote from: notimpressed on February 02, 2008, 06:15:11 PM

Thanks for the info, StevenR. I've seen the same thing on appliance modules driving CFLs.

Here's the solution to this problem.

http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=14210.msg78893#msg78893

Or:

http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=14210.msg78892#msg78892
Title: Re: XPS3 ( X10 Pro ) switch leakage / LED display
Post by: Waynemor on February 22, 2008, 10:15:28 AM: My remaining question is why are the LEDs on the XPS3 switches ( not on my LED XMAS lights string that are controlled by the switch ) dimly lit when off?

If the neutral line to the switch is either loose or bad it will sometimes cause the LED on the switch to stay on dimly when off. Check your connections/wiring.