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🔌General Home Automation => Automating Your House => Troubleshooting Automation Problems => Topic started by: justoffthecoast on February 17, 2011, 07:16:12 PM

Title: Problems detecting "AllLightsOn" / "AllUnitsOff"
Post by: justoffthecoast on February 17, 2011, 07:16:12 PM
I have a PS561 X10 Security System and ActiveHomePro setup, and I'm trying to find a way to detect the "AllLightsOn" and "AllUnitsOff" codes sent when the DS7000 is triggered in order to start a macro.

I'm fairly certain that "AllLightsOn" and "AllUnitsOff" are being sent by the DS7000 when the system is tripped, because my sirens start blaring and security lights blink on and off as soon as the alarm is triggered; however, I'm having trouble detecting those signals at my PC. I'm running X10SW in addition to the AHP software, and I've even tried plugging my transceiver and DS7000 directly into a surge protector (normally these are plugged directly into outlets and in separate rooms), but I never see the signal in the activity log, and my macro never triggers. My transceiver, DS7000 and all modules are using house code 'B', and I've verified that the house code is set properly for 'Monitored House Code' and 'Transceived House Code' in AHP as well as 'Security Console House Code' in X10SW. Any suggestions or ideas? Thanks!
Title: Re: Problems detecting "AllLightsOn" / "AllUnitsOff"
Post by: Tuicemen on February 17, 2011, 07:44:37 PM
Sounds like you have a signal issue at the PC and may need a filter there!
Or you have a phase issue.
You don't state what PC interface you have the CM19A will not detect powerline signals.
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Title: Re: Problems detecting "AllLightsOn" / "AllUnitsOff"
Post by: Brian H on February 17, 2011, 08:03:20 PM
Do you see the B All Lights On and B All Units Off commands in the Activity Monitor Screen?
Title: Re: Problems detecting "AllLightsOn" / "AllUnitsOff"
Post by: justoffthecoast on February 17, 2011, 09:23:50 PM
I have the CM19A PC interface but also have a TM751 wireless transceiver and assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that it would detect powerline signals and relay them to the PC. Am I missing a piece?

I don't see B All Lights On or B All Units Off anywhere in the Activity Monitor or X10SW log.
Title: Re: Problems detecting "AllLightsOn" / "AllUnitsOff"
Post by: Tuicemen on February 17, 2011, 09:38:32 PM
The ds7000 sends plc the cm19a can't see them it is a RF only device you need the CM15A! ;)
Title: Re: Problems detecting "AllLightsOn" / "AllUnitsOff"
Post by: justoffthecoast on February 17, 2011, 10:34:07 PM
The ds7000 sends plc the cm19a can't see them it is a RF only device you need the CM15A! ;)

If I got the RR501 transceiver, would it pick up the PLC signal from the DS7000 and pass them to the CM19A? I could use an extra appliance control anyway.
Title: Re: Problems detecting "AllLightsOn" / "AllUnitsOff"
Post by: Brian H on February 18, 2011, 06:19:02 AM
No the RR501 or TM751 do not take PLC signals and send RF X10 signals.
They take an X10 RF signal from things like remotes and your CM19A and convert them to PLC signals.

To receive PLC signals you need the CM15A and not the CM19A that was in your AHP kit.
Title: Re: Problems detecting "AllLightsOn" / "AllUnitsOff"
Post by: justoffthecoast on February 18, 2011, 10:24:09 AM
No the RR501 or TM751 do not take PLC signals and send RF X10 signals.
They take an X10 RF signal from things like remotes and your CM19A and convert them to PLC signals.

To receive PLC signals you need the CM15A and not the CM19A that was in your AHP kit.

According to the x10 wiki, the RR501 will respond to power line signals whereas the TMT751 will not:
http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/Differences_Between_the_TM751_and_RR501

I'm just not clear on whether "respond" means that it will transmit them over RF or if it will only respond by turning on a plugged-in appliance when it receives a PLC "on" signal. If it's only the latter, I'll pick up a CM19A.

Thank you both for your responses. I've had the security system for a couple years but just added AHP, so I'm only now starting to figure out which modules communicate with each other and by which method.
Title: Re: Problems detecting "AllLightsOn" / "AllUnitsOff"
Post by: Brian H on February 18, 2011, 10:36:03 AM
The TM751 has no power line receiver in it and can not be controlled by an X10 power line signal. Only an X10 RF signal works with a TM751.
So only an RF X10 signal on unit code 1 for the set house code. Will control its internal relay output.
That is also why it will gleefully step on another X10 power line signal . As it can't see it.

The RR501 has both an X10 RF receiver in it and power line receiver in it. You can control it's internal applance style output with an X10 power line signal or an X10 RF signal. On unit 1 or 9 with the house code it is set to.
That is also why it is polite. If it see another X10 power line signal it waits for a clear time to send what it has to.

Both the TM751 and RR501 will take an X10 RF signal for the house code it is set to and send it on the power line. Neither will take an X10 power line signal and broadcast it back as an X10 RF signal.