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Title: [How-Do-I] Change a Sticky Switch (SS13A) Into a 4-Button Switch (KR19A)?
Post by: poursha on February 20, 2006, 06:53:24 PM
I've been trying to figure out how to mod an ss13a switch into a 4-button switch, instead of 3-button and dim/bright.

I figured that I'd look at the guts of a kr22a (4-button, dim/bright) credit card remote and see if it was similar; used the same chipset.

Sure enough it DOES.

In fact, I've pulled both schematics from the FCC, and the they are almost identical. But, I can NOT get it to work with the 4th button. I've tried shorting about every combination of pins that makes any sense. Everything that I try just transmits an A1 (first button command), instead of an A4. <argh>

Here are the two FCC locations for these remotes:

https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=94285&fcc_id='B4SSS13A'

https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=92983&fcc_id='B4SKR19A'

Is anyone smart about RF circuitry? What is the trick???

RoB
Title: Re: [How-Do-I] Change a Sticky Switch (SS13A) Into a 4-Button Switch (KR19A)?
Post by: gil shultz on September 18, 2007, 11:51:04 PM
Good Evening,

Your links did not work.  I am just guessing but the wire you used is probably changing the RF frequency causing the receiver to miss the signal.  Remember these are very low cost items not designed for modifications or circuit changes, there are no extra parts to stabilize the system.

Good Luck
Gil Shultz
Title: FCC Reference LINKs [as of 09/22/2007]
Post by: TakeTheActive on September 22, 2007, 11:14:17 AM
Quote from: gil shultz on September 18, 2007, 11:51:04 PM
Quote from: poursha on February 20, 2006, 06:53:24 PM

...I figured that I'd look at the guts of a kr22a (4-button, dim/bright) credit card remote and see if it was similar; used the same chipset.

Sure enough it DOES.

In fact, I've pulled both schematics from the FCC, and the they are almost identical. But, I can NOT get it to work with the 4th button...

...Here are the two FCC locations for these remotes:

  • SS13A Schematic (https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=94285&fcc_id='B4SSS13A') - FCC ID: B4SSS13A

  • KR19A Schedmatic (https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=92983&fcc_id='B4SKR19A') - FCC ID: B4SKR19A


...Your links did not work...


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Title: Re: [How-Do-I] Change a Sticky Switch (SS13A) Into a 4-Button Switch (KR19A)?
Post by: Puck on September 22, 2007, 11:53:59 AM
Quote from: poursha on February 20, 2006, 06:53:24 PM
In fact, I've pulled both schematics from the FCC, and the they are almost identical. But, I can NOT get it to work with the 4th button. I've tried shorting about every combination of pins that makes any sense. Everything that I try just transmits an A1 (first button command), instead of an A4. <argh>

poursha: This device contain the EM78P153 microcontroller. It has a One-Time-Programmable (OTP) Read Only Memory (ROM) section that is programmed to operate in a specific way. If this same microcontroller is used on more than one devices, then it is more than likely programmed differently as well.

This programming would have been done by the manufacturer and cannot be changed to alter how it works.