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🔌General Home Automation => Automating Your House => Topic started by: roger on January 08, 2006, 05:20:03 PM

Title: X10 and Irons
Post by: roger on January 08, 2006, 05:20:03 PM
Hi,

Is there an appliance module that can control
an iron that pulls 1200w?

Thanks
Title: Re: X10 and Irons
Post by: paul on January 09, 2006, 11:36:02 AM
You can use an appliance adapter for this
but I would not recommend it unless you
want to burn your house down.  I repeatedly
get lights switching on/off from X10
controlled switched due to line
noise/interference so your Iron could go on
at anytime without you knowing.

I would question the need for using it with
an Iron as well.
Title: Re: X10 and Irons
Post by: Brian H on January 09, 2006, 06:45:59 PM
I would also say trusting an X10 module to
switch an iron, could lead to problems. My
system is about 99.9% fine. Every once and
awhile the modules miss a signal. I finally
traced it to my furnace's new electronic
ignition unit. It is on for the first 30
seconds of burner on time.
The appliance modules have a 15 amp
Resistive rating. An iron is resistive. The
lower wattage on the label is for icadescent
bulbs that have a very low resistance at
start up.
Title: Re: X10 and Irons
Post by: ron on January 13, 2006, 12:07:22 AM
Roger,
Assuming contact ratings are ok, if, and
occasionally when I wish to control a
critical load, I plug one appliance module
into another, coded differently.  Then to
turn on said load, I must sequence the codes
to get thru conduction to the load,
considerably lessening the chance of false
ONs, which are rare from my experience, and
closely matching Brian H.'s experience with
falsing, particularly with turning on when
not supposed to.  Turning off must be
opposite sequenced, else one be left in the
on state, negating the redundancy.

I still would be very careful with large
loads being permanently connected and ready
to go unless personal monitoring is nearby,
all the time.... or if being falsely ON, it
won't do any harm but waste electricity.

Some of my experience is in the design of
failsafe systems in medical syringe pushers,
where a runaway is, to say the least,
intollerable.  We used dual microprocessors
of  different brands that both monitored
everything and talked to each other, plus
completely different software, authors, and
verifiers - in 1983!

Title: Re: X10 and Irons
Post by: gil shultz on July 13, 2007, 01:20:25 AM
Good Evening,

If somebody can get hurt or property damaged never use X10, it is simply not reliable enough.  It can turn or off at anytime for any reason.  Sometimes you cannot get them to turn other times they will not turn off and most of the time they work OK.

Think about what would happen if the iron came on and nobody was around for a few days?

Good Luck
Gil Shultz
Title: Re: X10 and Irons
Post by: KDR on July 13, 2007, 05:09:37 AM
Your better bet might be to just buy a new smart iron. I have seen advertised new irons that turn themselves off if not used after a preset time elapses. I seen the ad on TV but I'm sure you could do a search on the net and come up with something.

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Title: Re: X10 and Irons
Post by: HA Dave on September 02, 2007, 12:41:45 AM
Irons, Curling Irons, coffee pots.... all new items like that have auto-offs. Most newer coffee pots now have timers for on, and an auto-off two hours after it turns on. A great feature for all coffee loving automaters.... like me.
Title: Re: X10 and Irons
Post by: dave w on September 04, 2007, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: Dave_x10_L on September 02, 2007, 12:41:45 AM
Irons, Curling Irons, coffee pots.... all new items like that have auto-offs. Most newer coffee pots now have timers for on, and an auto-off two hours after it turns on. A great feature for all coffee loving automaters.... like me.
Yeah BUT, the newer coffee makers with the auto off feature usually will not work with X10. They will not come on when power is applied. You have to push a momentary to get them started. Bummer.
Title: Re: X10 and Irons
Post by: HA Dave on September 04, 2007, 09:30:11 PM
Quote from: dave w on September 04, 2007, 08:49:57 PM

Yeah BUT, the newer coffee makers with the auto off feature usually will not work with X10.


True..... but it all doesn't need to be X10. Good automation is good automation.
Title: Re: X10 and Irons
Post by: dave w on September 07, 2007, 01:03:33 PM
Quote from: Dave_x10_L on September 04, 2007, 09:30:11 PM
Quote from: dave w on September 04, 2007, 08:49:57 PM

Yeah BUT, the newer coffee makers with the auto off feature usually will not work with X10.


True..... but it all doesn't need to be X10.

WHAT!!!! Heretic! blasphemer! :o
Title: Re: X10 and Irons
Post by: HA Dave on September 07, 2007, 07:51:22 PM
I am sorry... I don't know what was I thinking. I hope the X10 community can forgive my indiscretion.

However I do think the home automation industry (that means X10) has inspired home electronics. TV's with sleep timers, irons that shut themselves off, coffeepots with timers. Since these are all INSPIRED by X10.... I thought it might be OK.
Title: Re: X10 and Irons
Post by: Dan Lawrence on September 07, 2007, 08:41:41 PM
I do not think X10 had anything to do with TV's with sleep timers, irons that shut themselves off, coffeepots with timers or anything else.  No TV, iron or coffee pot will respond to X10 signals unless you have each plugged in to some kind of module.