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Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see? [2 of 5]
Post by: tony on April 08, 2005, 03:25:00 PM
X10 Pro:  How about a Super CM15A kit that <BR>provides: <BR>1.External antenna with greater range <BR>like the V572AB. <BR>2.A Ethernet Port (RJ45) supporting <BR>TCP/IP and DHCP <BR>3.Ethernet and /or RF communication <BR>between AHP and CM15Ax instead of USB. <BR>4.AHP support for Network cameras <BR>(TCP/IP) and terminals. <BR>5.Add Diagnostic Mode with signal <BR>strength field and a detected X10 PLC error <BR>diagnostic field in the Activity monitor. <BR>6.Make selectable the size  of the log <BR>buffer for the Activity Monitor and wether <BR>it stops or wraps as selectable. <BR>

We're starting work on our next plug-in, <BR>which will put control of ActiveHome Pro <BR>(including cameras and video, if you have <BR>iWitness) on the Internet. We have a number <BR>of features in mind, but are looking for more <BR>ideas from our users. <BR> <BR>What kinds of features would you expect or <BR>like to see in an Internet plug-in for <BR>ActiveHome Pro?


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Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: h j flynn on April 08, 2005, 03:26:18 PM
Cont, post to large to submit

Currently my CM15A is working pretty well
except with remote and sensor ranges, I
have noticed range change with different
levels of software updates and I dont
understand why I would of though this was
hardware related. Example I think at 3.179
my sensor work fine but ranged dropped with
3.180 but with 3.183 it seems to be back,
but by 3.183 by wall switches and stick a
swithes don't seem to have the same ranged,
and I do have the diagnois unit running XP
sp2 and AHP is alwas connect to PC.  
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: Tuicemen on April 08, 2005, 03:39:27 PM
The scenario I see in wanting  to create new
macros/timers remotely? wouldn't be used
often but if you had different levels of
access then only the owner could do this. If
on vacation and needed to edit something to
perform a new task you didn't think of
before you left. Or your going to be late
getting home from work and want to change a
marco that fires normally just before you
get home. No use something running before it
is needed.
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: X10 Pro on April 08, 2005, 03:44:13 PM
Limiting which cameras can be controlled by
which users is a great idea, and it goes
hand-in-hand with different levels of users
access that you can assign.

Tony: Those are all good ideas, but since
we're talking about software development for
now, ony our #6 is really doable (#4 might
be, but I don't see us supporting cameras
that aren't made by X10 at this point). I
think that we have a registry setting we can
use for setting the size of the Activity Log,
so it shouldn't be too much work to make it
an option in Preferences.

Another general question: Is there anything
new a macro should be able to do with the
Internet plug-in? Several of you have already
mentioned e-mail, which is part of the design
plan, but anything else?
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: carmine pacifico on April 08, 2005, 04:11:30 PM
H J Flynn
The RF receiver, the external serial eeprom
memory and the X10 interface part are all
bit banged in firmware, any software
changes or even a new set of macros will
affect the ability of the CM15 to keep up.
Because of choice of part ( 18 pins versus
24 pin part) the hardware designer had to
use i2c Eeprom instead of SPI Eeprom, the
chip has hardware SPI , i2c takes a lot of
overhead, the CM15a simply can not keep up
and misses RF messages.
Now that I have a real controller(1132CUP
from smarthome) I erased the macros on the
CM15a and use it as a al house code
transceiver , the RF range increased
dramatically, I have a 2 story home +
basement ( about 2500sq ft non including
basement) and I was able to receive from
anywhere in the house; but it would fail to
recognize   the RF signal if I trigger the
motion detectors to close to one another;
of course any other transceiver(rr501 …)
has no problem kipping up).
If X10 is listening I would suggest to use
CY8C24794 instead of the CY7C63723,
Among the many pluses this part has to
offer the ability to field upgrade the
firmware; but, then again what do I know, I
only have 20+ years in design with
microcontrollers Intel 8051, Microchip,
Atmel, Cypress ……
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: Noam on April 08, 2005, 04:37:38 PM
X10 -
Perhaps the ability to talk to/from AHP not
only using email, but perhaps also using
some of the more popular IM programs (AIM,
ICQ, Yahoo Messenger, MSN Messenger)
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: roger1818 on April 08, 2005, 04:56:10 PM
I would like to be able to (when logged in
as administrator) be able to do anything
from the web that can be done locally.
This would provide the option of installing
AH Pro on a compact PC physically close to
the CM15a and then use any PC in or out of
the house to make configuration changes.
It would also act as the base platform for
an enhanced version of the CM15a that has
an embedded web server.

I would also like to be able to design
virtual remote controls.  These remotes
could have buttons and switches programmed
to send commands (any address, function,
macro or RF command), dials to adjust the
brightness (or other variable parameter)
and labels that could be either pictorial
or textual.  There could be different
styles of buttons and labels available to
choose from and the ability to “paint” or
decorate the remote and controls.
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: Tuicemen on April 08, 2005, 05:05:10 PM
How about macros being able to send pics to
a users web site? xray can do this.
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: martin on April 08, 2005, 06:14:01 PM
X10 Pro, how about hiring Carmine as a
consultant? He has shown more then
willingness to comment the current CM15A
status lately and eager to propose
alternate solutions.

Roger H.

I like your remote idea!
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: burntcrispy on April 08, 2005, 07:01:07 PM
I would like to also be able to use this on
my home network, which would probaly be my
main use since we have a slow dial-up at
the moment. (Internet use would be cool
later if we find avalible broadband)

Also I would like to see prety much full
control of the program, but they might want
to just consider making another actual
client version of the active home software
for that, and just have the internet plugin
a little simpilar. (Just install the client
software on one or two machines for full
control, and use the Internet plug-in for
more movable access, or for other people)
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: carmine pacifico on April 08, 2005, 07:23:48 PM
Martin
Thanks for the suggestion, but I have a
well paid fulltime job with great benefits,
my 10 month old baby keeps me busy. Then
only reason I purchased AHP with smart
macros because of the advertisement; I have
a populated PCB with 4 line by 20 character
display, a 16 keys keypad, a battery backup
clock and many more features, I just do not
have enough hours in a day to write the
code, I already spend more than 8 hours a
day coding for work.  I made some
suggestion because I feel with some changes
in hardware this can be a great product, I
design gas detector ( both toxic and
explosive mixture) for oil and Gas, in our
industry one false alarm, one failure is
one to many, quality and reliability comes
before cost.
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: JimC on April 08, 2005, 08:41:29 PM
I would like to do all of the things
suggested below, especially control of the
cameras and all of the modules in all of
the rooms. What is important for me is that
I be able to do this without having to
download any thing to the remote computer.
Where I work we are not permitted to
download or install any software onto out
computers. If I could simply go to a web
site, enter a password and begin to play
that would be great.
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: nswint on April 09, 2005, 09:46:46 AM
A internet plugin that will recognize the
broswer agent and display the page
appropriately for regular browsers (ie,
mozilla/firefox), pda(pocket pc, palm), cell
phones, and internet appliances (audrey,
Compaq Ipaq IA-1, Cybiko, I-Opener, WebTv)
with full AHP and plugin control.
Essentially a web client for the ahp pro
server/service

* Callerid information.  Email and sms sendable

* Remote ip access with username and password
from another computer with ahp
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: tony on April 09, 2005, 12:27:09 PM
X10 Pro:  All the requests appear based on
an assumed platform capability and capacity
which has not really been defined.  How
about solidifying and expanding the platform
in capacity, communications, connectivity,
reliability, and fault tolerance/recovery.
The fastest and most economical way is to
use existing facilities that are supported
by most host systems including Internet and
the ISP’s. i.e.
1.External antenna with greater range
like the V572AB.
2.A Ethernet Port (RJ45) supporting
TCP/IP and DHCP
3.Ethernet and /or RF communication
between AHP and CM15Ax instead of USB.
Remember CM15A is advertised as not
requiring connection to a PC and iWitness
changes that currently.
4.AHP support for Network cameras
(TCP/IP) and terminals. Sure there is some
non-X10 out there and its growing does X10
wish to forgo that tsunami opportuity?
5.Add Diagnostic Mode with signal
strength field and a detected X10 PLC error
diagnostic field in the Activity monitor.
6.Make selectable the size of the log
buffer for the Activity Monitor and whether
it stops or wraps as selectable.
Doing that not only opens some currently
unavailable markets and compatibility
markets that will expand your module sales
and create a much broader professional
market.  Take a lesson from IBM’s PC  Open
flexible architecture took it to the
hundreds of millions and closed proprietary
bus (microbus) blew them out of the market
they created.
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: tony on April 09, 2005, 12:30:46 PM
Don't put a V8 into a model-T before you
beef up the chassis and drive train.  Think
long term and invest into the future.  
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: anonymous on April 10, 2005, 07:56:47 AM
I would like to be able to unload the
dishwasher via the internet.  Oh, and clean
the house too!
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: tcassio on April 10, 2005, 11:02:14 AM
All these suggestions are a dream until X10
can get the CM15A and the AHP software to
work reliably. iWitness should never have
been released until AHP and CM15A were rock
solid.
T.
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: I'm Listening on April 10, 2005, 12:49:21 PM
Anonymous:  I guess I married the wrong
girl.
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: One who is listening on April 10, 2005, 01:32:06 PM
Tcassio:  You said you were done.  What
happened?
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: SteveRF on April 10, 2005, 01:55:10 PM
The current version of the CM15A cannot keep
up with rf commands a few seconds apart, all
the  timers and macros so adding another
plug-in (iWitness)cannot help. I suppose a
new and improved CM15A has to be in the
works.  Sure hope we get some trade-up value.
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: carmine pacifico on April 10, 2005, 02:17:26 PM
Steve RF
My test have concluded the CM15 cannot
handle  RF signals if they are to close(
even 1 or 2 seconds apart), after I
switched to PowerLinc 1132CUP I was using
the Cm15a as a all house transceiver , but
it missed to many signal, the range was OK,
I am  using the TM750 and returned the
CM15a I found it useless even as a door
stop.
I am very happy with the 1132CUP , timers
are correct and macros work as expected,
now I monitor this forum just for
amusement, considering that the price of
the 1132CUP is a just a little more than
CM15a + smart macros, I am amazed on how
many people are willing to suffer and not
change to a better product.
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: tcassio on April 10, 2005, 02:25:25 PM
One who is listening,
I'm done struggling with the CM15A and the
AHP software.  I purchased the Smarthome
1132CUP and the thing works, no question.
I am using the CM15A as a whole house
transceiver, but after reading the last
post here, I may buy a more reliable
Transceiver.
T.
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: carmine pacifico on April 10, 2005, 03:17:39 PM
Tcassio
The only reason the released iWitness, so
user have to keep the CM15a plugged into a
computer running 24/7, this will cover the
major flaws of the CM15a BAD CLOCK , of
course it will not solve poor RF range( it
is worse when connected to a computer), at
least timers will work(sometimes).
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: SteveRF on April 10, 2005, 07:06:23 PM
The clock in my Diag unit runs for weeks and
weeks disconnected from the PC and never
misses a timed function. Maybe I just have
very accurate 60 cycle power ??  Strange....
SteveRF
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: JimC on April 10, 2005, 08:22:22 PM
Mine also seems to keep very accurate time
connected or disconnected. Maybe I am one
of the few that got a good one.
Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: Observer on April 10, 2005, 08:46:46 PM
Hey Lucky Ones:  Connect the dots… Oops
Carmine already has for you.

1.A software time of day clock
2.An anemic processor with very
limited resources stack size, RAM, CPU
cyclic rate, etc.
3.Lots of problems with the high speed
input servicing (RF of course) i.e. Sensor

And you have:  My timed stuff isn’t
working,  it doesn’t see my sensors,
everything worked just fine and then it went
crazy and I didn’t change anything just
walked by a few sensors at a brisk clip…

I think Carmine has connected the dots and
hit the nail right on the head!

Title: Re: Internet Plug-in: what do you want to see?
Post by: One who is listening on April 10, 2005, 08:51:08 PM
Tcassio:  I'd be very interested in your
appraisal as to how the 1132 performs to
your requirements and application.  Please
keep us informed.