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🖥️ActiveHome Pro => ActiveHome Pro General => Topic started by: swbob on May 17, 2005, 12:18:57 PM
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JP2510
I have both systems and if you would like more info on each just e-mail me. bow45@verizon.net
OP:
Just wondering, after sitting here endlessly watching longingly for the nod to go ahead, whether it is a viable and sensible option to finally purchase AHP?
Or should I just give in and buy Smarthome�s reliable but not quite as pretty slightly less capable offering instead? (Is it all that much less able as some people here would have me believe?)
I know this sort of question has been asked before, but every few months I think it�s time for a recheck. Thanks for your opinions.
JP
Re: Finally time to dive in? [2 of 5] (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=12307.msg31669#msg31669)
Re: Finally time to dive in? [3 of 5] (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=12308.msg31721#msg31721)
Re: Finally time to dive in? [4 of 5] (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=12309.msg31772#msg31772)
Re: Finally time to dive in? [5 of 5] (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=12310.msg31811#msg31811)
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JP2510:
I'd be happy to have a discussion with you
about AHP, I only have AHP, not Smarthome.
e-mail me at: bstrbabs@ptd.net
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George, JP, let's talk. I have been through
all, Lighthouse, cm11a, cm15a, and now
1132cu. Dick.Collier3@excite.com.
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Lameness sets in... sorry...
dick_collier@excite.com
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Lameness sets in... sorry...
dick_collier3@excite.com
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Why is everyone not talking about this
topic here in an open forum. I don't
understand all the email swapping. your
beginning to sound like X10Pro.
T.
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I suspect it is because of all the
"mysterious" data base crashes which result
in posts being trashed (by accident)
Joe
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My recollection is that a bunch of messages
were lost on _one_ occasion a few months ago.
Has it happened again?
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We've lost data twice, but other than that we
let discussions stand. I'm a little uneasy
have e-mail addresses posted openly (not
something I would do with my personal e-mail
address), but if you guys are OK with it then
I'll leave them there. If you want me to
remove your e-mail address from a post at any
time in the future, let me know.
That said, I think it's worth giving
ActiveHome Pro a shot, JP. Yes, this is
coming from an X10 employee, but I think the
product is in pretty solid and reliable
shape, and you'll be able to do a lot of good
things with it.
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JP, don't listen to this X10 employee, they
have to say that. The controller and
software is a real dog. The newest
controler (CM15A with diagnostics, commonly
refered to on the forums as Diagnostic
CM15A)is pretty solid. The software is
many moons from beginning to run like
production software. If you want to play /
tinker a lot with technology, buy and use
their CM15A with AHP software. If you want
the best system - Buy their bundles, much
cheaper than buying their equipment from
other vendors, never un-box the CM15A and
never install their software (you may get
some other system problems with your PC
after you install it, if you can install
it). Buy a SmartHome USB controller with
software and seperately an RF antena if you
want to talk to your devices from a
wireless keypad. Store the CM15A or throw
it away. SmartHome Controller & RF Antena
& software will cost you more than X10's
solution but..............You will get a
solid / working / easy to use / maintain
system. No matter what equipment you
choose you may still have some of the X10
architectural / engineering / technical
issues to deal with - loss of signal, noise
on AC line, random signals, electrical
phase, etc. those problems can be in
anyone's home or office. They are easier
to fix if you know your controller is
working....
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JP PS: My latest problem - I cannot even
get my AHP software to register online
through their system after re-installing
it, others have the same problem and the
good folks at X10 point the finger back to
the user. They have bigger fish to fry
then helping me.......
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X10 Tech - Shame on you, the product is
only worth trying if the user wants to play
with technology, fix random and solid
problems and help you guys do your job and
help your company sell more product. You
think your product is becomming pretty
solid ? Live in the real world with real
peopl. I'll bet you would not be making
that recommendation if your paycheck
depended on that recommendation, you'd be
out looking for a job before the next forum
response.
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This whole situation is sad, and getting
sick, X10 makes a very cheap / bad USB
controller (CM15A), some work, some don't,
all have some similar problems - RF antena
is poorly designed / weak / etc. And their
software is pathetic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But as I will continue to say - their
modules, light switches, Keypads, other
components are great, other vendors even
sell them because they are good and fairly
priced.
If you want some cheap entertainment - buy
and try to use their CM15A & AHP software.
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Solid product? mah gawd this is pain. JP dont
listen to him. I have been in this CM15A
fiasco for over 8 months. It still does not
work well. The X10pro thinks this is a solid
product. NO WAY! It is not fully functional
and now that they have fixed the daily
crashes, take a look at AHP. The activity
monitor has never been fixed properly. How
can they say it is a solid product when
people cant register the software, get it to
run without crashing, etc. OR the crazy
battery ritual we all have to perform
occasionally. I have not taken any action
against X10 because for $50, it is just not
worth the aggrivation. Just dont connect this
thing up to anything important. OK to turn on
porch lights, nobody is going to die if the
unit crashes but I would never connect it to
garage doors, coffee pots or anything else
you dont want going haywire at random times.
JP, go ahead and buy it if you want to give
it a try but dont believe for a minute what
X10pro told you. This product is not what it
is advertised to be - "never come home to a
dark house again" Yeah, right.....
Joe
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Hey Joe - I knda like the battery ritual,
only took me a few weeks to figure out the
magic sequence that works the best when
updating the software or loading the CM15A -
chuckle, chuckle, chuckle, reminds me of
some crazy computer rituals back in the
Windows 3.0 days. I also kinda long for
the days when we had to leave a computer
plugged into the CM15A just to get it to
run for a couple hours... This X10 Tech
should get back to work on the software
problems and stop recommending that anyone
else buy or try to use it till they deliver
a solid version..... One that does not
introduce more problems than it fixes, one
that does not come out just so they can run
an new piece of hardware they want to start
selling. Make good on the promise they
made to their current customer base....
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Thnx for all the input (much rather do it by
forum rather than emails, but thanks Bob
too).
Sadly it seems i've got the answer i
expected.
But what about the 1132CUP's downfalls. I've
been advised that AHP's conditional
abilities are far superior (or should i say
that the CUP's is rather poor and limited).
Any thought s on this? Tcassio - i believe
you have a lot of experience with the CUP,
how have you found it?
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JP2510
1132CUP(with smart home manager plus)
conditional macros are by far superior to
AHP and most of all they work as expected.
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Some problems can be traced to the users
computer and are due to incomplete
installs, removales, playing around in the
registery, other programs update programs,
spyware, viruses. You name it the
posibility is there to cause problems with
ANY other actions. You can't just put the
blame on X10 because something doesn't work
right. Some problems though can be blamed
on X10.
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X10 Pro - You are to blame for some people
wanting to post thier e-mail addresses
since you started to respond to others by e-
mail rather than posting the answers to the
problem here in the forums. We would like
to know what the solutions are as well, in
case we have the same dificulties. It would
be easier to post once rather than respond
to who knows how many individual users.
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Donald McMow
X10 web installer is the cause of many
problem, especially if you want to go back
to a previous version, they are not
following the basic OS rules on
install/Uninstall; after the final
uninstall when I switched to a reliable
product(1132CUP) I had to manually clear
many registry key and remove their “X10net”
manually, user should not need to do this,
since improper registry editing can render
the computer unstable.X10 has invested to
much time on how to track customer than
working on improving they product, in a way
it’s nothing more than a common spyware.
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I think X10 has a lot of guts providing a
totally uncensored forum like this. I dont
see many or ANY other competitors doing it
online and realtime. Maybe because they want
to cut out remarks about competitors products
? I think most of the folks here are those
with some or lots of trouble with their
CM15A. I have to say there must be hundreds
or maybe thousands that are enjoying fairly
trouble free operation with their CM15A.
Mine works pretty darn well. Day after day,
month after month right on schedule. The only
complaint , at the moment, the slow response
if multiple signals are received within a
couple of seconds and a glitch in status
reporting. ...oh, I doubt if I would put my
e-mail address here...smile... someone would
probably submit it to a thousand spam sites
for me..hehe and if I abandoned the cm15a
(and get a refund) I just dont think it is
right to keep (I mean on and on and on)
advertising a competitors product here...
point is , I am happy with mine but am
looking forward to the next harware upgrade
that will put some serious robustness into
the unit.
SteveRF
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Donald,
I agree that some problems are caused by
user error, however, as far as AHP co-
existing with other software is definitly
an X10 responsibility. As a network
administrator I have seen my share of
poorly written software but AHP has to take
the cake. X10 should have software
engineers that have more operating system
savy. By the large number of problems and
different types of problems I honestly
beleive that alot are releated to AHP
conflicting with other programs/operating
systems. I beleive that X10 beleives that
there product is a solid product, that
statement is probably based on the fact
that it runs well in there lab under
optimum conditions, but we all not that
that is not the situation in the real world.
T.
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SteveRF
I was getting worried, you are late joining
this thread.
Most people do not bother the return the
dysfunctional CM15a; they just tossed it
away,like 2 of my friends.
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SteveRF,
I will agree with you that there are a lot
of users that are happy with there setup.
These users are probably running a simple
setup. Once you start using smatrmacros
and try do do some complicated thing is
when the problems start. I'm sure that
thoes here that are having problems can be
considered power users with some computer
experience who are pushing the system to
the point where the hardware/software can't
handle it. I am doing some stuff now with
my current setup that I beleive the
AHP/CM15a could handle.
T.
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Carmine, thanks for being worried..smile..
I am getting my hurricane stuff together so
have been busy...tiz that season again on the
gulf coast. This time I want to be better
prepared.
TCassio, I'd be interested in any of your (or
anyone elses) really tough, neat, funny,
utility uses for AHP smartmacros.. I am sure
there are some really good uses I could tap
into if we shared more macro ideas. Now that
mine has been pretty stable for a few months
I am ready to push it more....probably a
mistake..I may regret this...hehe
Regards,
SteveRF