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Title: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: x64 driver? on May 03, 2005, 02:59:00 PM
I am guessing, as of right now the drivers
are not compatiable with windows XP Pro 64
bit version, I am thinking of upgrading but
don't want to do so until everything is
compatiable.
X10Pro any time line on new drivers any
plans at all even?
Any body else here have a 64 bit system,
and this holding them back from windows 64
bit?
I do relize it was just relesed and might
take a while, but I thought I'll see what
other peoples thoughts where.
Title: Re: 64 Bit Drivers? [G]
Post by: X10 Pro on May 03, 2005, 03:08:33 PM
The driver in the current AHP installers is
not a 64-bit driver. But, we do have an x64
driver signed by Microsoft and ready to use
-- we did that when we last updated the
driver. I can build you an x64 driver
installer to use until we build it into the
AHP installers.
Title: Re: 64 Bit Drivers? [G]
Post by: burntcrispy on May 03, 2005, 04:41:33 PM
oops, that was me,
Thanks for the quick reply (I am very
relieved to here it is supported), I do not
have the new OS yet, but wanted to see what
all drivers I could get, I will contact you
again when I do get it. :)
Title: Re: 64 Bit Drivers? [G]
Post by: justino on October 07, 2005, 10:33:42 AM
I just called tech support and they said
they know nothing about 64 bit. they didn't
even know what is was....please help...do
you have a 64bit XP driver for the CMA15A
unit?

Title: Re: 64 Bit Drivers? [G]
Post by: X10 Pro on October 07, 2005, 12:29:36 PM
Justino: We haven't haven't released the
64-bit driver yet, but if you send me an
e-mail (ahpsupport@x10.com) I can send you an
installer for it.
Title: Re: 64 Bit Drivers? [G]
Post by: needa driver on October 28, 2005, 06:35:40 PM
X10 Pro
I also need the 64 bit installer. Can you
please send the link to me also?
Title: Re: 64 Bit Drivers? [G]
Post by: rob 79 on December 02, 2005, 05:42:41 AM
Hi,
does this installer work for the USB wireless
transceiver, as well?
I bought a Medion PC with an X-10 wireless
transceiver (acpi-compliant) and want to
upgrade my system to 64 bit. Just this driver
is still missing?
Would you please send me the installer if it
works for that?
Title: Re: 64 Bit Drivers? [G]
Post by: X10 Pro on December 02, 2005, 02:17:23 PM
I've sent you both the driver.
Title: Re: 64 Bit Drivers? [G]
Post by: cewongq on February 27, 2006, 10:12:09 PM
Hi!

Is there a driver for the USB Adapter VA11A for Windows x64?
Title: Re: 64 Bit Drivers? [G]
Post by: X10 Pro on February 28, 2006, 12:33:36 PM
There is not currently a 64-bit driver for the VA11A. We're going to be working on that, but it will take some time to complete.
Title: Re: 64 Bit Drivers? [G]
Post by: BJHENSEL on February 28, 2006, 06:33:53 PM
Mr. X10 Pro
I just purchased the AHP software, and I would appreciate if you could email me the 64 bit drivers as well.
Thank you.
bjhensel@yahoo.com
Title: Re: 64 Bit Drivers? [G]
Post by: BJHENSEL on March 25, 2006, 01:21:24 PM
X10 PRO
ANY Idea when the 64 bit drivers will be configured? I can't use my VA 101 video capture adapter until it is released. I was able to finally get a video card to work with 64 bit , but no way to incorporate a video card with AHP? How does the VA101 link to the AHP? I know you use the plug in Iwitness which I have, and I am able to turn on my camera's using AHP, and watch through my video card input, but I cannot see the video through AHP. I have been waiting patiently for a month now, and I have used X10 for years now, and upgraded everything, Computer, camera's, software, etc. My last piece of the puzzle is the VA101. As soon as I get the drivers, I will be able to finish this project. Thank you
Brian Hensel
Title: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: John E on July 23, 2006, 09:18:17 AM
I am testing out Windiws VISTA and AHP is having a problem installing.  Video adaptor does not install. When I go to update AHP program shuts down and nothing happens.. ???
Title: Re: AHP Video Adapter (VA11A) Does Not Install Under Windows VISTA [A]
Post by: Dan Lawrence on July 23, 2006, 11:17:02 AM
Apparently the Pre-Release Beta of Vista does not support the current drivers for AHP. There may be a driver available, PM X10Pro.
Title: Re: AHP Video Adapter (VA11A) Does Not Install Under Windows VISTA [A]
Post by: schneid on August 08, 2006, 10:57:39 PM
RC1 of Vista is due this month.  It appears AHP will be left behind.  It is not compatible.  Companies with viable products all have support in place for Vista and looks like X-10 will remain silent on the issue.

I used X-10 since DOS 3.? or about twenty years.  Looks like it is time for a change.

The good news is that most everything else works in Vista.  Besides my X-10 devices, I just have to trash my scanner and modem.
Title: Re: AHP Video Adapter (VA11A) Does Not Install Under Windows VISTA [A]
Post by: Dan Lawrence on August 09, 2006, 10:54:45 AM
Read my post above yours.  There IS a driver for Vista, but you have to Send a Private Message to X10Pro for it.
Title: Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista [B]
Post by: d2g2 on February 02, 2007, 09:25:30 AM
I just upgraded my pc to Vista, and now I can't access my camera over the internet.  On the gate.x10.com web page, I just get the blank black box with the small red x in the upper left corner.  It prompts me to load active x, but then nothing happens.

Does anyone know how to get x10 to work with Vista?
Title: Re: Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista [B]
Post by: Dan Lawrence on February 02, 2007, 12:03:25 PM
Supposidly, X10 is working on getting AHP (and the assorted plug-ins) Vista certified.  That may be covered in the next upgrade, but no one knows when that will be released. The lastest general version is 3.204 for AHP and 3.206 if you added On Alert
Title: Re: Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista [B]
Post by: JMac on February 02, 2007, 01:10:40 PM
I can't get it to work on Wiindows XP........
Title: Re: Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista [B]
Post by: JMac on February 02, 2007, 03:05:22 PM
Sorry about that........I reinstalled everything and Vanguard is fine. ???
Title: Re: Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista [B]
Post by: steven r on February 02, 2007, 06:06:48 PM
So are we observering problems using X10 with Windows Vista?
Anyone surprised?

Seriously I would like to get some feedback as to how well X10 is or isn't working with Vista.
Title: VA11A Video Capture & Windows Vista [C]
Post by: wedway on February 04, 2007, 11:49:13 AM
I just installed Windows Vista on my PC and now the VA11A video capture device no longer works. Does anyone know if X10 plans on releasing updated drivers in the near future?

Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks!

Title: Re: VA11A Video Capture & Windows Vista [C]
Post by: HA Dave on February 04, 2007, 01:18:37 PM
I just installed Windows Vista on my PC and now the VA11A video capture device no longer works. Does anyone know if X10 plans on releasing updated drivers in the near future?

I certainly DON'T know what X10 has planned!

But I am one of those guys that always sees the bright side. Most of X10 stuff works well enough on what is NOW those OLD Operating Systems. For years (my first computer was a Vic 20) I have tried to find useful purposes for outdated computers. Now the solution seems to have been found.

The old P2 PC with XP home is fine (if not excellent) for home automation. If you don't already have one collecting dust, by spring you should be able to find one curb-side the eveing before trash collection.
Title: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: nyrnd on February 05, 2007, 08:42:56 AM
I am about to install Windows Vista.  In the readiness section it advised me that I would have to find a new driver for Active Home Pro after installation.  I cannot find it on the website.  Can you help.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: Brian H on February 05, 2007, 12:23:29 PM
We have seen no Vista drives announced yet; from X10. Hopefully soon.
Title: Re: VA11A Video Capture & Windows Vista [C]
Post by: darkstarz on February 08, 2007, 12:03:45 PM
  I too have the same problem with Windows Vista and the X10 video adapter. I emailed X10 Tech Support a few days back and still haven't gotten any reply from them. Begining to think I'm not going to at this rate. They managed to provide a updated driver for the control module used in AHP, but that's been it. It's kind of useless when you can't used the I-Witness plug-in and view / use the camera's you have purchased as well.


  HELLO X10 ! ! !  Is anybody out there listening ? ? ? ? ?
 >:(
Title: Re: AHP Video Adapter (VA11A) Does Not Install Under Windows VISTA [A]
Post by: darkstarz on February 08, 2007, 12:10:27 PM
  If there's a so called fix that X10 has for Windows Vista, it's a pretty damn stupid thing to have to PM anyone for it. This is something that should be provided to ALL, right from their website, with a notice to all who own/use AHP and Windows Vista, none of this PM ****, period!
 I've emailed X10 TechSupport with the problem last week, and have not received any reply at all, so if there is a fix, nobody there seems to know about it.
Title: Re: AHP Video Adapter (VA11A) Does Not Install Under Windows VISTA [A]
Post by: Brian H on February 08, 2007, 12:19:21 PM
With Vista shipping on most of the new computers now. I would think it would be in X10s interst to make it public. If folks have to ask for it, maybe they will buy into a different protocol. Like ZWave etc.!
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: Dan Lawrence on February 09, 2007, 07:59:44 PM
A good friend of mine who uses Active Home Pro has undated his PC to Vista.  When he updated, he plugged in the CM15A, Windows promptly saw it and applied the drivers and it was recognized in the USB section of the Hardware Confuration.  AHP was re-installed and saw the interface and his backed up .ahx files worked perfectly.

That may answer the question of whether or not AHP will work under Vista.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: Don N on February 09, 2007, 08:04:02 PM
If it's that easy ... wonder why X10 hasn't announced it.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: Dan Lawrence on February 09, 2007, 11:14:02 PM
That's probably why.

Since nobody from X10 USA has ever replied on this X10 Community Forum on the Vista compatibly, trial was the only way to find out.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: tom j on February 10, 2007, 01:52:34 AM
That's probably why.

Since nobody from X10 USA has ever replied on this X10 Community Forum on the Vista compatibly, trial was the only way to find out.


Yep that's par for the course for x10, Yep Yep!!  ::)

Tom j
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: HA Dave on February 10, 2007, 10:11:45 AM
I may buy a new Vista PC, but I have no plans of upgrading my current (X10 using) XP desktop to Vista.

I have upgraded MANY systems at work over the years (NT to Win98, and then new Win98 PC's to 2000, and then new 2000 PC's to XP professional). I have never seen consistent results over different computers. Some computers and their peripherals and (add-on) software upgrade flawlessly, others haven't been as successful.

For my computer at home I have generally choose to reformat and start over.

I have been following this thread with GREAT interest! I hope everyone will continue to post their own experiences with Vista and X10 to this thread. It appears to be the ONLY source for information on this we have.  
Title: Re: Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista [B]
Post by: d2g2 on February 12, 2007, 08:13:11 PM
Well, I've upgraded a second PC to Vista, and guess what?  It doesn't work either.

I hope X-10 is upgrading their drivers soon so the internet control software works with Vista.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: Robbo on February 15, 2007, 08:19:44 PM
I have Windows Vista installed on a system I just built.  All new hardware etc. AHP works just as it did in Windows XP.  Everything works great except iWitness.  No matter what I do, I can't change the Intel PC Camera to X10 VA11A USB Capture.  It shows up in "Device Manager" but no driver is installed.  I'll keep playing with it 'till I can find out what works.
Rob
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: Robbo on February 15, 2007, 09:06:45 PM
Here is a PS to my last post.
Bill's X10 Voice Commander also works perfect under Windows Vista Ultimate.
Rob
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on February 15, 2007, 11:35:13 PM
Here is a PS to my last post.
Bill's X10 Voice Commander also works perfect under Windows Vista Ultimate.
Rob

It does?   :o  Woohoo!

Thanks for the feedback Robbo!   8)
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: CaptJaklee on February 16, 2007, 10:07:41 AM
I am about to install Windows Vista.  In the readiness section it advised me that I would have to find a new driver for Active Home Pro after installation.  I cannot find it on the website.  Can you help.

Just install Vista Premium and it seems like X10 updated their drivers for the CM15A but failed to update the drivers for the VA11A.  When you install the AHP Software, the Vista Software will update the CM15A automatically,  but not the VA11A.  So I guess everyone that has cameras installed will have to watch them on a TV monitor until X10 updates this.   ???
Title: Re: AHP Video Adapter (VA11A) Does Not Install Under Windows VISTA [A]
Post by: darkstarz on February 16, 2007, 01:02:22 PM
Well, I'm still waiting, patiently, still haven't gotten any reply at all from Tech Support, and it's been weeks now. I mean even if they replied with the standard "we're working on it" would be better than no reply at all.
  I've tried every possible configuration, idea and anything else I could come up with to get the VA11A video adapter to work in Windows Vista, but, it won't accept it's driver for anything. Everything else appears to work, I can control the many other components I have from Transcievers , lamp and appliance modules to wall switches, can turn them all on, and off, no problem.
  I can't make any changes to the Time zone in the control module without it crashing on me, and shows my Time zone as "Custom" for some reason. I uninstalled and re-installed AHP and removed all files and locations, even edited the RegEdit app and removed all settings for AHP and anything else that it refers to, removed the batteries, unplugged it from its power source, let it sit for over 24 hours before reconnecting it, and still only get a "Custom" setting in the CM.
  I sure do hope that X10 is paying attention to it's customers and their need for support with X10 and Vista.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: MichaelC on February 16, 2007, 03:41:29 PM
The CM15A driver works and will continue to work because it's signed by Microsoft. Vista will work with any previously signed driver; it doesn't have to be signed as "Works with Windows Vista." Unlike Windows XP, Vista will not allow you to use unsigned drivers. That's why the VA11A driver doesn't work -- it's not signed.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: Robbo on February 16, 2007, 07:25:53 PM
To: Bill - (of BXVC)

NO.... Thank you.  I have a lot of fun with your program.  I'm just glad it works so well with Vista.

Robbo
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: steven r on February 20, 2007, 06:39:12 PM
...I have been following this thread with GREAT interest! I hope everyone will continue to post their own experiences with Vista and X10 to this thread. It appears to be the ONLY source for information on this we have.  

Ditto...
I'm actively watching the forum for info also.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: darkstarz on February 21, 2007, 12:42:54 PM
  I've written Tech Support a couple of times and regretfully have not received any reply from them so far. It makes me wonder if they are working on it, and if so why not tell us that instead of leaving us in the dark.
  I disagree with the post about the cause being the driver was not a "Signed" Microsoft driver, it wasn't with Windows XP but still allowed it to install and it worked just fine. The problem is Vista does not recognize the VA11A as an image device, period, but rather a USB controller device instead. When it does recognize the VA11A as a Video imaging device, a Intel PC Camera, it loads the proper driver for that specific device without any errors and shows up in the Device Manager as an actual Imagaing Device and not a USB controller.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: Dan Lawrence on February 21, 2007, 02:51:06 PM
The biggest problem getting a Vista certified driver for the VA11A is that apparently X10 has suffered a serious fallout in the programming ranks lately, so Michael C's post was right on target

What I would suggest is to PM the heads of X10 USA, in particular Dave Rye, about the Vista/VA11A problem and don't stop until you get a satisfactory response. It's drastic, but it may be the only way.  The CO's and other senor posters here cannot get the problem resolved.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: darkstarz on February 22, 2007, 09:20:21 AM
 I finally got a reply from Tech Support at X10 in regards to the VA11A USB video capture adapter and Windows Vista, and it's a bit... depressing to me, to say the least, but at least now there's an answer for all the customers out there wondering the same thing. Here is their reply:

Quote from: X10 Email Support
Greetings!

We do not expect to have VA11A drivers for Vista until May 1st at the very earliest. Remember, a Microsoft operating system is not really trustworthy until the first Service Pack comes out. If you have any more questions, please reply to this email. Thanks for choosing X10!

X10 Email Support
http://kbase.x10.com/

You'd think that they would be on their toes and have things taken care of by now considering they provided Microsoft with an updated "Compatable driver" for their X10 CM15A, Active Home Compliant (ACPI) devices. And Windows Vista has been out in the field for many many months prior to it's actual release. They should have been working on the problems with the Vista Beta releases as well as the Vista RC1 release which was as close to the real thing as the final release of Vista.


[TTA Edit: Formatted QUOTE to emphasize it.]
Title: Re: AHP Video Adapter (VA11A) Does Not Install Under Windows VISTA [A]
Post by: darkstarz on February 22, 2007, 09:34:23 AM
I finally got a reply from Tech Support at X10 in regards to the VA11A USB video capture adapter and Windows Vista... (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=12271.msg67139#msg67139)


[Edit by TTA: Replaced duplicate post with LINK pointing to one central reply; Repair broken LINK.]
Title: Re: VA11A Video Capture & Windows Vista [C]
Post by: darkstarz on February 22, 2007, 09:35:03 AM
I finally got a reply from Tech Support at X10 in regards to the VA11A USB video capture adapter and Windows Vista... (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=12271.msg67139#msg67139)


[Edit by TTA: Replaced duplicate post with LINK pointing to one central reply; Repair broken LINK.]
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: steven r on February 22, 2007, 12:54:14 PM
I finally got a reply from Tech Support at X10 in regards to the VA11A USB video capture adapter and Windows Vista, and it's a bit... depressing to me, to say the least, but at least now there's an answer for all the customers out there wondering the same thing. Here is their reply:

Quote: "Greetings!

We do not expect to have VA11A drivers for Vista until May 1st at the very earliest. Remember, a Microsoft operating system is not really trustworthy until the first Service Pack comes out. If you have any more questions, please reply to this email. Thanks for choosing X10!...

Regardless of whether Microsoft ever has a "trustworthy" operating system, as they put it, that sounds like a BS excuse to me.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: MichaelC on February 22, 2007, 02:08:45 PM
It is a pretty poor way to address the problem. If you're looking for a Vista driver you most likely have already made the decision that Vista is "trustworthy" enough for you to use.

I think that the major hold-up with the VA11A is that the current driver can't be signed, and that they need to pretty much re-write it in order to make it signable. It's a lot of work to re-do a video device driver, and I'd guess that the developers can't get to it yet.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: steven r on February 22, 2007, 03:35:05 PM
Quote from: X10 Email Support
Greetings!

We do not expect to have VA11A drivers for Vista until May 1st at the very earliest. Remember, a Microsoft operating system is not really trustworthy until the first Service Pack comes out. If you have any more questions, please reply to this email. Thanks for choosing X10!

X10 Email Support
http://kbase.x10.com/

While I'm under no illusion that Vista is "the perfect operating system", it has been under enough extensive beta testing that it should be at least as stable as any previous operating system with "Service Packs" installed! I still hold that it is a BS excuse.

It is a pretty poor way to address the problem. If you're looking for a Vista driver you most likely have already made the decision that Vista is "trustworthy" enough for you to use.

I think that the major hold-up with the VA11A is that the current driver can't be signed, and that they need to pretty much re-write it in order to make it signable. It's a lot of work to re-do a video device driver, and I'd guess that the developers can't get to it yet.

I'm inclined to agree. They need to reassess their priorities and fix the driver.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: HA Dave on February 22, 2007, 06:28:36 PM
To get a device driver "Microsoft approved" as I understand it....  you must pay for the privilege, to cover the cost of Microsoft's review engineers.

I can see where that could cause delays...

What would be a cheaper faster (BETTER) solution would be to update AHP to accept ANY (Microsoft approved) video input device the customer chooses.

Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: steven r on February 22, 2007, 06:49:26 PM
...What would be a cheaper faster (BETTER) solution would be to update AHP to except ANY (Microsoft approved) video input device the customer chooses.

That sure seems to make sense to me.
Is there any reason that X10 would want / need to maintain a unique driver?
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: MichaelC on February 22, 2007, 07:43:57 PM
The cost to get the driver signed by Microsoft is not that much these days -- it was much more 5 years ago -- and unless things have changed since I left I really doubt that's a factor in not producing a new Vista driver for the VA11A. We had been talking about it for a while even back in June 2006, and it's pretty much got to do with the development effort involved.

The functional advantage of using a unique driver is having fine access to the still and video capabilities of the device. Also, at the time that the VA11A (and before that the VA10A) was release there weren't any general purpose USB video capture devices available at the price X10 could offer. In order to offer it, we had to write our own driver. The technical advantage is still somewhat important, though that's perhaps less significant than the importance of having people buy the device from X10 instead of someone else.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: Noam on February 23, 2007, 08:28:51 AM
What about patching AHP to at least accept the "Intel PC Camera" that windows detects it as by default?
That would certainly make installation easier for everyone.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: darkstarz on March 01, 2007, 07:37:11 PM
What about patching AHP to at least accept the "Intel PC Camera" that windows detects it as by default?
That would certainly make installation easier for everyone.


  Doing so would be to easy and take away from X10's proprietary control over AHP and it's plug-ins, thus making it open for use with other components, which then they would lose money because we could buy other manufacturers products to use in AHP. As always its about the money... greedy is as greedy does, and greed makes profits.  >:(
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: MichaelC on March 01, 2007, 07:42:22 PM
Larry is probably right here. Plus, it wouldn't really be possible to just accept the Intel PC Camera Pro as it appears -- it has the same device ID as the VA11A, but the Intel driver doesn't actually work with the VA11A to get and process video.
Title: Re: Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista [B]
Post by: bcollum on March 13, 2007, 12:24:41 AM
I was told today that the Drivers would not be ready for Vista until May.
Title: Re: Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista [B]
Post by: Dan Lawrence on March 13, 2007, 08:00:43 PM
A friend of mine updated to Vista and uses AHP and the CM15A. When he reinstalled AHP and plugged the CM15 to the usb port and rebooted, Windows saw the interface and reported it properly in the Hardware.

In short, AHP and the CM15A WILL work with Vista.
Title: Re: Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista [B]
Post by: steven r on March 13, 2007, 10:53:41 PM
...In short, AHP and the CM15A WILL work with Vista.
I haven't upgraded to Vista but from the discussions here it seems the main problem people are having is using the cameras.
i.e. X10 hasn't written the drivers for the cameras to work with Vista.
Title: Re: Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista [B]
Post by: MichaelC on March 14, 2007, 06:11:55 PM
Quote
X10 hasn't written the drivers for the cameras to work with Vista

Specifically, X10 hasn't re-written the driver for the VA11A so that it can be signed, which allows it to work with Vista. Only Vanguard and AHP's iWitness (or whatever the new name is) require the VA11A. XRay Vision, MultiView, and PanTilt Pro can be used with any normal Windows video device.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: david_l on March 15, 2007, 12:40:33 AM
Well, the new DST schedule forced me to get this puppy going on my new Vista x64 system.

Here's What I did:

Create a restore point (always a good idea when "experimenting" with legacy
hardware on a Vista system.

Plugged in CM15 first - let it pull drivers off windows update.

Installed Active Home pro using original .exe (download program).
(had a run.dll error - when trying up update other x10 programs - might be better to say "no" when it asks).

Restart the computer (run.dll errors make me nervous).

Ran Active Home - It sees the interface ok.
Loaded my old .ahx file.
Works, but program doesn't remember the settings after a restart.
Also - There's an update, but Active Home Pro is unable to get it.

Must right-click on the ActiveHm.exe (or the start menu link) and select "properties"
Select the Compatibility Tab, and Check "run as administrator".  It must be trying to write to the "c" drive which is a no-no with the new security.

You now have to run from an admin account and authorize the program each time it runs.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: darkstarz on March 17, 2007, 03:59:19 PM
I am about to install Windows Vista.  In the readiness section it advised me that I would have to find a new driver for Active Home Pro after installation.  I cannot find it on the website.  Can you help.

  Windows Update will automatically update the CM15A for you with the newest driver, no issues there. Just can't use the VA11A Video Capture adaper is all, which still seems to be an ongoing issue. I've been checking X10's website daily and still see no mention of the issues that exist with Windows Vista and Active Home Pro, and it's Plug-in's. I've been waiting patiently for over a month now, and am begining to think there isn't going to be any solution for thos of us that have upgraded to Vista, making our "purchased" products totally useless. Yet they continue to sell to the unsuspecting and refuse to put any notice ont heir websites or emails in regards to Vista and X10 products. After being a loyal customer for over 5 years, I'm starting to look elsewhere for things that actually work. Kind of sux really.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: darkstarz on March 22, 2007, 12:37:30 PM
Well it seems things are moving right along here at X10 folks! Just got an update on the latest and greatest as follows;

"Greetings!

We do not expect to have VA11A drivers for Vista until May 1st at the very earliest. Other X10 hardware should work OK. Remember, a Microsoft operating system is not really trustworthy until the first Service Pack comes out. If you have any more questions, please reply to this email. Thanks for choosing X10!

X10 Email Support
http://kbase.x10.com/"


Pretty nice huh!   >:(  NOT!



Title: Re: Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista [B]
Post by: webscott on March 23, 2007, 09:13:51 AM
A friend of mine updated to Vista and uses AHP and the CM15A. When he reinstalled AHP and plugged the CM15 to the usb port and rebooted, Windows saw the interface and reported it properly in the Hardware.

In short, AHP and the CM15A WILL work with Vista.

 ??? How did it setup? I am aware that the best option is to wait for an update but I just thought I would ask the following.

Can you explain a step by step so that I can reattempt for the 7th time on my new Vista computer?
Title: Problems Installing Multiview (VA11A) Under Windows Vista [E]
Post by: memac259 on March 23, 2007, 09:06:00 PM
"x10 va11a usb capture adapter install error-code 10"......................I keep receiving this message while attempting to install the capture adapter.  I am using microsoft Vista--------apparently that will be a problem???  Any suggestions??

Thanks,

Mike
Title: Re: Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista [B]
Post by: Dan Lawrence on March 23, 2007, 11:22:25 PM
Exactly like you would under WindowsXP if it lost the interface.

If you have a brand new Vista computer, just install AHP and the CM15A just like you first did on XP. The install directions came in the e-mail when you first ordered AHP/CM15A from X10USA.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: memac259 on March 24, 2007, 08:53:25 AM
So I'm taking it from this discussion that when I called customer service before I ordered Multiview and asked about it working with Vista, they gave me bad information.  Now I have it and I can't get it to work.........I guess the same issues you all have been discussing and I won't be able to use it till May 1st when they update.  Is this correct???
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: steven r on March 24, 2007, 01:38:18 PM
So I'm taking it from this discussion that when I called customer service before I ordered Multiview and asked about it working with Vista, they gave me bad information....
I believed the correct term would be "lied to you" unless they keep marketing and customer service in the dark for "plausible deniability". Then the term would be deception.

Unlike previous releases of Windows, Vista has been in beta plenty long enough for companies to have at least preliminary drivers. It amazes me as to how many software companies including X10 that haven't written drivers yet.
Title: Microsoft Vista Problems
Post by: Puck on March 24, 2007, 09:34:15 PM
If you are having issues with Microsoft Vista, please check these posts first.

If your issue is different, make your new post here in Software Problems & Bugs (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?board=26.0) to keep all Vista threads together as TakeTheActive has been doing.

AHP with Windows Vista (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=8658.0)

Windows VISTA & AHP (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=9358.0)

Windows Vista (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=11649.0)

VA11A Video Capture & Windows Vista (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=11661.0)

Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=11668.0)

Windows Vista and SDK, CM15A (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=11726.0)

Error Installing AHP under Vista - Can Anyone Help? (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=11840.0)

CP290 software for Vista (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=11936.0)

Problems installing Multiview (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=12025.0)

Has anyone got Vanguard I C C to work with Vista yet? AND UPDATES (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=12045.0)


Title: Re: Problems Installing Multiview (VA11A) Under Windows Vista [E]
Post by: Dan Lawrence on March 24, 2007, 11:40:25 PM
Right now there is no Vista driver available for the va11a.

This has been discussed here, a search for VA11A problems in Vista would be helpful. There is a possibility a VA11 Vista driver from X10 may released in May.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: darkstarz on March 26, 2007, 01:03:16 PM
  I would definitely let them know you are not a happy customer, as this is something I have been saying and commenting on to them and others hear about for weeks on end now and have asked that they put something on their website ASAP in regards to compatability issues with Vista. But NNNNnnoooooooo........ They just don't get it. All they see is the damn $ sign.
  But they do have a money back gaurantee, so I'd take advantage of it now. Don't waste your time with complaining to them, they won't listen even though they like to make you think they are.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: Walt2 on March 26, 2007, 02:38:33 PM
Unlike previous releases of Windows, Vista has been in beta plenty long enough for companies to have at least preliminary drivers. It amazes me as to how many software companies including X10 that haven't written drivers yet.

Never mind Microsoft's commitment that their "new" (for ME and XP) WDM format was suppose solve this issue by creating a standard that would ensure basic compatibility with future versions of Windows.   ::)
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: MichaelC on March 26, 2007, 07:15:09 PM
Microsoft has not required anyone to write new drivers for Vista, and unless a company wants it to be certified "Works with Vista" or "Vista Premium" there's no need to even get an existing driver signed again. Any driver signed for Windows 2000 or XP is supposed to work fine under Vista. So, the WDM model does work in this case, with one exception: unsigned drivers.

Unfortunately, that one exception is where the problem with the VA11A falls. X10 never had the VA11A driver signed by Microsoft (for a couple valid reasons) and the VA11A driver can't be signed in its current form. In order to submit it for signing, X10 will need to rewrite parts of it.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: steven r on March 27, 2007, 01:28:43 AM
...X10 never had the VA11A driver signed by Microsoft (for a couple valid reasons) and the VA11A driver can't be signed in its current form....
And those "valid reasons" would be? Inquiring minds want to know.

BTW... Why couldn't X10 of told us this instead of their BS excuse?

MichealC: While I have no idea why you left X10 and it's none of my business anyway, I do appreciate your frequenting this forum and sharing your knowledge,
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: MichaelC on March 28, 2007, 01:45:46 PM
Quote
And those "valid reasons" would be? Inquiring minds want to know.

The main one had to do with the device ID conflict with the Intel PC Camera Pro. That conflict -- not X10's fault, and something that wasn't supposed to happen according to the USB specifications and system as it was supposed to work  -- is the reason that when you plug in a VA11A to an XP system it first shows up as the Intel device. For a while the conflict didn't allow us to sign the VA11A driver, based on Microsoft's driver signing rules. Last year, I think, we talked with Microsoft and they gave us some guidelines for what we could do to sign the driver. We had plans to make the changes, but they were always lower priority than new plug-ins, the Icon Remote, etc.

As for why X10 hasn't explained this in recent communication with them, I'd have to guess that the people communicating with customers don't know the information (and don't know that it's something that they could know), and don't have contact with the developers who could have told them.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: bnocturnal on April 04, 2007, 11:38:17 PM
Guys,

I found a way to get the VA11A working in Vista... at least it worked for me.  Some of this may need to be done as the administrator.  I have UAC turned off, so I am not sure. ;-)

1.  After installing the drivers along with ActiveHome/Iwitness or Vanguard or with X10Drivers.exe, plug in tha VA11A
2. Vista will attempt and fail to install the drivers.
3. Navigate to C:\Program Files\Common Files\X10\DriverInstall\VA11A Video Capture"
4. Open the file CA506AV.inf in Notepad and find the following section:

[SPCA506AV.CopyDrivers]
CA506AV.SYS
STREAM.SYS

[SPCA506AV.CopyCodec]
IYUV_32.DLL
MSH263.DRV


5.  Change that section as shown below... (add semicolons in front of 3 lines...

[SPCA506AV.CopyDrivers]
CA506AV.SYS
;STREAM.SYS

[SPCA506AV.CopyCodec]
;IYUV_32.DLL
;MSH263.DRV


6. Save the file, and close notepad
7. In the device manager (Right-Click on "My Computer" and choose Manage) Expand the USB section and find the VA11A that should show up there as a non-working device.
8. Open the device, and chooose "Re-install driver".  Tell vista you want to locate the driver yourself, and browse to the folder above.
9.  Vista should warn you the driver is unsigned, but allow you to install anyway.

------------------------
As an option, you may want to edit the .inf file *before* plugging in the VA11A...  I suspect that would work also, but did not try it myself.   You would still get a "install failed" message when vista attempts to install the "audio" portion of the capture device.  That shouldn't matter, as the VA11A doesn't support audio anyway.

Dave
bnocturnal
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: HA Dave on April 05, 2007, 05:34:12 PM
Guys,

I found a way to get the VA11A working in Vista... at least it worked for me.  Some of this may need to be done as the administrator. 

Change that section as shown below... (add semicolons in front of 3 lines...

[SPCA506AV.CopyDrivers]
CA506AV.SYS
;STREAM.SYS

[SPCA506AV.CopyCodec]
;IYUV_32.DLL
;MSH263.DRV


Dave
bnocturnal


AWESOME!!!
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: jdolina on April 05, 2007, 09:40:06 PM
:D This worked except when I first did it I had no video. I uncommented ;IYUV_32.DLL and reinstalled and it then asked me to reboot, it didn't the first time, then I had video? So I don't really know which actually helped. Also I edit the line SPCA506AV.DeviceDesc=  "X10 VA11A Video Capture MODIFIED" that way it is easier than seeing to driver descriptions the same. Also when (wishful thinking)  the real driver comes out it will be easier to distinguish.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: J.B. on April 07, 2007, 09:58:36 AM
Hi,
This still does not appear to work for me. Was there anything else done that may be the reason it has worked for a few of you? It is still showing that the device cannot start, or not showing the VA11A at all. It appears that even though I point to the modified file it uses the original.
Thanks
NVM my bad, something I missed, works fine now Thanks!
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: richbutler1 on April 08, 2007, 12:51:07 PM
BTW, by remarking as described by 'bnocturnal' / Dave I was able to get video in Vista.  Be sure to uninstall unknown devices first (HINT: The one with this info if you go into Device Manager, Right click on Unknown Device, click driver Properties, Details Tab ..."VID_0733&PID_0430&MI_00" is the bad video driver.  Also tries to install an audio driver...same process as above...shows similar to this "USBVID_0733&PID_0430&REV_0090&MI_01"  I haven't tweaked the install for this, but as I understand it the VA11A has no audio function.  Not sure what the purpose is for this?  Possibly other webcams with audio support using same drivers???

Hope this helps...

Rich

PS: When performing multiple updates, you want to be sure the 'inf' file you edit is saved each time you try to re-install.  I think windows sniffs the files time/date stamp to determine if a new version is true, then update proceeds.  Not sure, just remember seeing 'you have the latest version once when trying to re-install driver

PPS:  All of this was done with UAC turned ON and under and account in the Administrators group.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: memac259 on April 09, 2007, 09:28:42 AM
When I make the changes and try to save them in the CA506AV.inf I get a message that Cannot create the file, make sure path and file are correct.........................any suggestions?
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: Tuicemen on April 09, 2007, 11:01:34 AM
MichealC: While I have no idea why you left X10 and it's none of my business anyway, I do appreciate your frequenting this forum and sharing your knowledge,
As do I and many others! ;) :D ;D
MichealC: it is nice to see you back! Do you use any home automation personaly?
bnocturnal:Awesome![/size] Users here have continued to blow me away with work arrounds Your is the latest! ;) :D ;D
You get a BIG helpful from me! ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: DNO on April 16, 2007, 07:44:31 PM
I'm helping my father get his new AHP system setup on a computer with Vista Ultimate.  As this community knows, there are fundamental problems with Vista/VA11A (of course I didnt know this until we were faced with them).  I used the INF file hacks found on one of these threads and I have the camera running now.  The problem that persists is that I cannot use both the CM15A and the VA11A at the same time.  I can unplug the camera, start AHP and I get controls... I unplug the CM15A, plug in VA11A, restart AHP and I get pictures.  Device Manager shows no conflicts when both are plugged in.  Any ideas?

Thanks in Advance,

DNO
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: Network8888 on April 16, 2007, 09:20:38 PM
Every Things WORKS GREAT NOW

the driver Workaround for the VA11A works great.

pictures, video, automatic switching between cameras, iWitness, MyHouse Online.

all working great.

email will not send but minor compared to the video not working before.

Great workaround

KUDOS to the x-10 community and the great USERS

network8888
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: mhopper on April 18, 2007, 09:32:33 AM
Hi. I have tried to make the changes to the inf file as bnocturnal instructed, but I still get the error code 10 driver cannot start. I must be missing something or doing something wrong. Can anyone give me some help with this ?
Thanks much.
Mike
Title: VA11A and CM15A Conflict Under Windows Vista - Please HELP [F]
Post by: DNO on April 20, 2007, 04:48:30 PM
I'm helping my father get his new AHP system setup on a computer with Vista Ultimate.  As this community knows, there are fundamental problems with Vista/VA11A (of course I didnt know this until we were faced with them).  I used the INF file hacks found on one of these threads and I have the camera running now.  The problem that persists is that I cannot use both the CM15A and the VA11A at the same time.  I can unplug the camera, start AHP and I get controls... I unplug the CM15A, plug in VA11A, restart AHP and I get pictures.  Device Manager shows no conflicts when both are plugged in.  Any ideas?

Thanks in Advance,

DNO
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: scojo on April 25, 2007, 04:36:09 PM
I tried 3 times to get it to work by carefully following the instructions and still get the error 10.  Guess I must be doing something wrong as well.  Does this have to be done before the plugin installation perhaps?  Otherwise, I'm not getting it and hate having a separate tv next to the computer just to see the cams.  :'(

Thanks to anyone that can provide some insight.
Title: Re: VA11A and CM15A Conflict Under Windows Vista - Please HELP [F]
Post by: darkstarz on April 27, 2007, 10:02:08 PM
Since no one else has, I'll bite, and ask myself, when you have the VA11A video capture (camera) working, open Device Manager and then open the Device and see what driver it is using. I can't see how it's possible for the VA11A video capture device to work with the driver for the CM15A device driver as they are quite different. I have tried the "swap" you mention and have not been able to replicate the same results myself, but I am running Vista Home Premium, which is why I am curious as to what drivers your computer seems to be using.
I've tried every device driver, combination of device drivers and dang near everything else, as I am sure many other's have tried as well, and have yet to make any progess on it.

  Hey, if I'm not mistaken(and I'm not), I have an email from X10 Tech Support from weeks past saying they would have a "FIX" or an update for us by the 1st of May, anyone else hear anything different, or more on this?

CAUTION: Do NOT, I say again, DO NOT hold your breathe for this to happen. If it does, I'll give them a pat on the back and say thanks, but, past experience says not to bet the farm on it.  ::)
Title: Re: VA11A and CM15A Conflict Under Windows Vista - Please HELP [F]
Post by: darkstarz on April 28, 2007, 09:42:54 AM
Someone has figured a simple solution to the Inf file, which does work, as I am using it as I type this. You may need to uninstall the VA11A in Device manager, reboot, and have it redetect the driver for it to work as mentioned below, as I did, but it does work. Make sure you edit the Inf file first, be safe and save a copy of it somewhere else after you edit it. When you save the file, make sure it does not save it as a ".TXT" file, very important.

Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D] (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=12271.msg68678#msg68678)


[TTA Edit: Replace verbatim COPY of information with LINK to original post.]
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: darkstarz on April 28, 2007, 09:56:50 AM
Everones computer is going to be a bit different. But.....
 It WORKS !   ;D
But I also had some issues getting it to work and finally had to uninstall the device inside Device Manager, close everything and reboot. Let windows redetect the devices when it starts back up and don't do anything until after it's done with start up. When it's done, go to Device manager and you should have 2 unknown devices. One for the VA11A and one for the Audio Capture (which still doesn't work yet). Just open the one for the VA11A (it'll have an entry under RESOURCES similar to this:  "USB\VID_0733&PID_0430&REV_0090&MI_01") And you'll finally see the REINSTALL driver option on the front General tab. Then follow the instructions to manually select / install the driver for it as mentioned in the instructions and when the Red Warning box appears, click on Do it anyways, and it'll finally isntall the driver.

Think I'll play around with a few other things and see what happens with the Audio. I've toyed with my first install of Vista for well over a month and even managed to get the Blue Screen of Death! I was impressed!  ;D But Vista is built much more better and stable than any other Windows OS so get the Blue Screen was not easy. If anyone needs to know how to logon without having to enter a password everytime, yet still have a password for your main account, let me know, it's quite simple. Even with UAC disabled, which I have all the time, there are some security issues you have to have.

Title: Re: Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista [B]
Post by: dgarces3 on April 30, 2007, 12:36:20 AM
"If you have a brand new Vista computer, just install AHP and the CM15A just like you first did on XP. The install directions came in the e-mail when you first ordered AHP/CM15A from X10USA"

what is AHP and CM15A?? i have a brand new vista computer and trying to use vangaurd but no luck. where do i get this AHP and CM15A?? is it a software? please advice
Title: Re: Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista [B]
Post by: Dan Lawrence on April 30, 2007, 06:58:47 AM
AHP (Active Home Professional) and the CM15A interface are available from X10 at http://www.x10.com/activehomepro/activehome-pro.html.
Title: Re: Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista [B]
Post by: dgarces3 on May 01, 2007, 11:24:46 AM
hello dan lawrence, do i need to purchase these softwares the AHP and CM15A or are they free that i could just download them. its already May 1, 2007 and i dont see any updates for Vanguard. if they are can it let be known to all?? thanks in advance. guess everybody is waiting!
Title: Re: VA11A and CM15A Conflict Under Windows Vista - Please HELP [F]
Post by: dgarces3 on May 01, 2007, 11:29:36 AM
hi larry s, i tried placing the 3 semi colons on those files but as i wanted to save, it said it could not. i have a emachines vista basic computer. can you tell me what am i doing wrong. like i said i did find those files but would not let me save it. thanks in advance
Title: Re: Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista [B]
Post by: Dan Lawrence on May 01, 2007, 06:34:20 PM
If you don't have AHP/CM15A, you need to purchase it.  Read my post, there's a real deal going on that you may want to look at.
Title: Re: Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista [B]
Post by: dgarces3 on May 03, 2007, 10:59:50 PM
which post of yours. i see too many posts that you have made. can you show me which one is it??? thanks in advance
Title: Re: 64 Bit Drivers? [G]
Post by: cewongq on May 04, 2007, 04:32:07 PM
There is not currently a 64-bit driver for the VA11A. We're going to be working on that, but it will take some time to complete.

Hi! It was one year ago.

Is there any news about this driver????
Title: Re: 64 Bit Drivers? [G]
Post by: MichaelC on May 04, 2007, 06:27:27 PM
No news from X10. I would guess that when they get around to re-writing the driver so it can be signed (so that it can be used with Vista) they will also produce a 64-bit version. No one has said when that will happen, however.
Title: Re: 64 Bit Drivers? [G]
Post by: Brian H on May 05, 2007, 05:40:51 PM
Since Vista is now on all new computers [except maybe those with Linux] X10 will have to do signed drivers or the product will not purchased by new computer users. Money talks. ::)
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: dgarces3 on May 08, 2007, 10:31:54 AM
Guys,

I found a way to get the VA11A working in Vista... at least it worked for me.  Some of this may need to be done as the administrator.  I have UAC turned off, so I am not sure. ;-)

1.  After installing the drivers along with ActiveHome/Iwitness or Vanguard or with X10Drivers.exe, plug in tha VA11A
2. Vista will attempt and fail to install the drivers.
3. Navigate to C:\Program Files\Common Files\X10\DriverInstall\VA11A Video Capture"
4. Open the file CA506AV.inf in Notepad and find the following section:

[SPCA506AV.CopyDrivers]
CA506AV.SYS
STREAM.SYS

[SPCA506AV.CopyCodec]
IYUV_32.DLL
MSH263.DRV


5.  Change that section as shown below... (add semicolons in front of 3 lines...

[SPCA506AV.CopyDrivers]
CA506AV.SYS
;STREAM.SYS

[SPCA506AV.CopyCodec]
;IYUV_32.DLL
;MSH263.DRV


6. Save the file, and close notepad
7. In the device manager (Right-Click on "My Computer" and choose Manage) Expand the USB section and find the VA11A that should show up there as a non-working device.
8. Open the device, and chooose "Re-install driver".  Tell vista you want to locate the driver yourself, and browse to the folder above.
9.  Vista should warn you the driver is unsigned, but allow you to install anyway.

------------------------
As an option, you may want to edit the .inf file *before* plugging in the VA11A...  I suspect that would work also, but did not try it myself.   You would still get a "install failed" message when vista attempts to install the "audio" portion of the capture device.  That shouldn't matter, as the VA11A doesn't support audio anyway.

Dave
bnocturnal


Hey Bnocturnal, Ive been trying to do this step by placing the 3 semicolong on front of those lines and when i try to save it wont save under the same file. it only gives me  the option of saving under anothe file. also, you said you had UAC turned off, what is UAC? can you be more specific please. im not sure what im doing wrong but i been folowing these steps all the way and no success. thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista [B]
Post by: d2g2 on May 15, 2007, 04:06:06 PM
So, any idea when the x10 drivers will be certified for use with Vista?

My camera runs fine, I just can't access or control it remotely over the internet with my Vista PC.
Title: Re: Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista [B]
Post by: Dan Lawrence on May 15, 2007, 04:48:15 PM
As to Vista drivers for the VA11A, who knows.

There's a thread on it, do a search for "VA11A and Vista".
Title: Re: 64 Bit Drivers? [G]
Post by: steven r on May 16, 2007, 06:29:59 PM
Since Vista is now on all new computers [except maybe those with Linux] X10 will have to do signed drivers or the product will not purchased by new computer users. Money talks. ::)
I've yet to see X10 post any disclaimers in their ads regarding use with Vista. Since those "new computer users" don't have any way of knowing of the driver problems, we may have to wait till a significant number of them return the product. Feedback from existing long term users appears to have limited, if any, effect.
Title: Re: 64 Bit Drivers? [G]
Post by: Dan Lawrence on May 16, 2007, 06:38:57 PM
The biggest problem with getting 64-bit drivers is the fact that a sizable number of X10 USA's programmers have left, so there's apparently no on staff who can do it, or anything else requiring decent programmers.   
Title: Re: 64 Bit Drivers? [G]
Post by: Walt2 on May 17, 2007, 07:14:45 AM
... the fact that a sizable number of X10 USA's programmers have left, so there's apparently no on staff who can do it, or anything else requiring decent programmers.   

Ain't that the truth.    ::)
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: moocow on May 17, 2007, 08:30:58 AM
UAC is "User Access Contol" which you can turn on or off under the User Accounts selection on your control panel.  Turning it off allowed me to modify and save the CA506AV.inf file in Notepad, but the VA11A will still not iniialize and run.
Title: Re: 64 Bit Drivers? [G]
Post by: Dan Lawrence on May 17, 2007, 06:58:34 PM
Which makes me glad I bought AHP when I did.  Other than one version (3.203), which was buggy and almost immediately replaced by the current version (3.204) the upgrades from 3.187 were all good.

3.204 came out in July last year, but there may not be another upgrade for quite a while.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: tinnman357 on May 18, 2007, 05:57:26 AM
Hello all,
     I'm new to this, thought I'd share my experience. I tried this.




Guys,

I found a way to get the VA11A working in Vista... at least it worked for me.  Some of this may need to be done as the administrator.  I have UAC turned off, so I am not sure. ;-)

1.  After installing the drivers along with ActiveHome/Iwitness or Vanguard or with X10Drivers.exe, plug in tha VA11A
2. Vista will attempt and fail to install the drivers.
3. Navigate to C:\Program Files\Common Files\X10\DriverInstall\VA11A Video Capture"
4. Open the file CA506AV.inf in Notepad and find the following section:

[SPCA506AV.CopyDrivers]
CA506AV.SYS
STREAM.SYS

[SPCA506AV.CopyCodec]
IYUV_32.DLL
MSH263.DRV

5.  Change that section as shown below... (add semicolons in front of 3 lines...

[SPCA506AV.CopyDrivers]
CA506AV.SYS
;STREAM.SYS

[SPCA506AV.CopyCodec]
;IYUV_32.DLL
;MSH263.DRV

6. Save the file, and close notepad
7. In the device manager (Right-Click on "My Computer" and choose Manage) Expand the USB section and find the VA11A that should show up there as a non-working device.
8. Open the device, and chooose "Re-install driver".  Tell vista you want to locate the driver yourself, and browse to the folder above.
9.  Vista should warn you the driver is unsigned, but allow you to install anyway.

------------------------
As an option, you may want to edit the .inf file *before* plugging in the VA11A...  I suspect that would work also, but did not try it myself.   You would still get a "install failed" message when vista attempts to install the "audio" portion of the capture device.  That shouldn't matter, as the VA11A doesn't support audio anyway.

Dave
bnocturnal

would not work for me, Then I tried 



 

It WORKS !   
But I also had some issues getting it to work and finally had to uninstall the device inside Device Manager, close everything and reboot. Let windows redetect the devices when it starts back up and don't do anything until after it's done with start up. When it's done, go to Device manager and you should have 2 unknown devices. One for the VA11A and one for the Audio Capture (which still doesn't work yet). Just open the one for the VA11A (it'll have an entry under RESOURCES similar to this:  "USB\VID_0733&PID_0430&REV_0090&MI_01") And you'll finally see the REINSTALL driver option on the front General tab. Then follow the instructions to manually select / install the driver for it as mentioned in the instructions and when the Red Warning box appears, click on Do it anyways, and it'll finally isntall the driver.






It worked!  but not for long. Left it to run overnight . Got up this morning to find system in sleep, woke system up to find it had shutdown (due to error dont remember what it said) tried to restart vanguard and back to the same crap. And now the alternate method above (reinstall driver) doesnt seem to work  ??? any ideas? Also I would like to thank all of you for your time and effort trying to fix something that X10 should have addressed a long time  ago.

Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: moocow on May 18, 2007, 09:06:53 AM
The alternate method, where the VA11A shows up as a non-working device along with the Audio Capture device, doesn't work for me either, I still get the "failed to install" message after updating the driver.
Title: Re: 64 Bit Drivers? [G]
Post by: MichaelC on May 18, 2007, 01:04:49 PM
The person responsible for writing drivers is still at X10 as far as I know, so at least it's still possible from them to update the drivers. Having the time or direction is a different story.
Title: Re: 64 Bit Drivers? [G]
Post by: Dan Lawrence on May 18, 2007, 03:45:19 PM
If that's the case, it's a shame you left the company. As X10Pro, you were in the position to get things done.

Whoever at X10USa that's doing programming, they are virtually ignoring both the 64-bit driver and the "Newer Version on Server" problem, both of which are not new problems. It seems nobody at 10USA is interested in solving the problems, just sell the Add-Ons and the Hardware.

Judging from the posts on these ongoing problems, I'm very glad I never bought into the Add-On hype.  My plain AHP/X10 system does for me what I want it to do. No fuss, no muss.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: moocow on May 18, 2007, 08:08:29 PM
Finally got the VA11A driver to install and the Vanguard software to start with Vista Home Premium through a mix of the tips listed here.  I'll try to retrace the steps and post them later.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: moocow on May 22, 2007, 08:11:42 PM
Both of these suggestions were posted before in this thread, but the folllowing worked on my home computer running Vista Premium Home Edition.

Turn off User Access Control (UAC).  It's under your user profile, and is tuned off by unchecking the box in the window that appears when you select this control.

Click on start, type CMD in the search box, then press Ctrl-Shift-Enter to open the DOS-type dialogue box as an administrator.

Type bcdedit /set loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS and hit Enter

You can now install the unsigned driver for the VA11A.  You may go back at this point and turn UAC back on, as it will not affect the function of the VA11A driver once it's installed.

Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: tinnman357 on May 22, 2007, 08:53:33 PM
moocow
hows it holding up? thanks for the tip
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: moocow on May 22, 2007, 09:05:58 PM
Good....it shows up in Device Manager under imaging devices without the dreaded exclamation mark and without that "Can't Start" message after updating the driver.  When I first tried to open the Vanguard software, it wouldn't run but there is a workaround for that too
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: dgarces3 on May 22, 2007, 09:09:25 PM
HEY MOOCOW, DOES THIS TRICK WORKS ALSO FOR VISTA HOME BASIC OR JUST WITH HIGHER VERSIONS OF VISTA???? IVE BEEN TRYING ALL THE TRICKS BUT NO SUCCESS.... THANKS IN ADVANCE...
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: moocow on May 22, 2007, 09:50:45 PM
It should
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: tinnman357 on May 23, 2007, 01:05:10 AM
didn't work for me either
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: moocow on May 23, 2007, 06:01:54 AM
After entering the bcdedit command successfully, and modifying/saving the CA506AV.inf file with the semicolons, go to Device Manager and select the Re-Install Driver option for the VA11A, whether it shows up as an unknown device (there will be two if so) with an exclamation point or as a USB device with an exclamation point.  If it shows up as an unknown device it will be the top of the two selections, the other will be an audio device.  Choose the selection that you want to install the driver yourself, rather than have Windows locate a driver, and browse to the C:\Program Files\Common Files\X10\DriverInstall location.  A red warning box will appear, select install anyway, and it will finally lnstall.  When sucessful, you'll see the VA11A under Imaging Devices in Device Manager with no exclamation point.

If this works, post back here and then I'll post what I did to get the Vanguard software to run.....it was easy in comparison.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: dgarces3 on May 23, 2007, 05:52:50 PM
@3.50pm Central Time
Dear Mr.  Moocow.
I re-apply the specifications  of what you said to do. This is what I did. I uninstalled all x10 hardware and all software from my computer. Then I restarted it to make sure the operations went suffessfully (I had UAC turned off from the start) then I reinstalled the vanguard software with the original drivers and when finalizing, It  said like usual, “rundll could not start phrase”. Then I went without rebooting to START, CMD and typed your specifications like this: "bcdedit /set loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS” and hit enter. The following phrase appeared: the operation completed successfully, which I supposed everything is going smooth until now and closed the cmd command prompt. Then I opened up the info file from my computer/local disk/program files/common files/X10/Driver Install/VA11A Video capture/CA506AV.inf to modify the VA11A info file by placing 3 semicolons in front of the phrases:
[SPCA506AV.CopyDrivers]
CA506AV.SYS
;STREAM.SYS

[SPCA506AV.CopyCodec]
;IYUV_32.DLL
;MSH263.DRV
 then I went to file/save and closed the file. Then I went to computer management in start/right click on computer/manage/device manager and saw the usb section expanded. I saw the: X10 USB firecracker Interface (ACPI-compliant), and the X10 VA11A USB capture adapter with a yellow triangle and a exclamation point in the middle next to it. It right clicked on the VA11A capture adapter and saw only 5 options: (1)update driver software, (2)disable, (3) uninstall, (4)scan for hardware changes, and (5) properties in bold. I do not see the option for reinstall driver. So I selected the options for update driver software/ selected the option: browse my computer for driver software/ hit browse/computer/program files/ common files/ X10/ driver install/ and here I tried to open the folder for the VA11A video capture but only gave me the option to select this folder and hit OK and next. It said that the best driver for this device is already installed, which is X10 VA11A USB capture adapter and I still see the yellow triangle with the exclamation point in the middle next to this adapter.
Next I went to device manager and selected “scan for hardware changes on the VA11A”, it said scanning for plug and play compliant hardware and nothing happend . I do not see an option for reinstall driver. I do not see where I am going wrong or doing wrong. can you pin  point what did i did or doing wrong.

PS: i know its kinda long but decided to detailed everything so you may see what i am doing and
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: dgarces3 on May 23, 2007, 06:14:53 PM
Mr. Moocow,
after i did all this i tried this final procedure: i hit the uninstall button and the VA11A uninstalled and rebooted my computer. when i went back to device manager, i saw a option in imaging devices (which did not existed before i uninstalled the VA11A) and inside this option was: Intel PC Camera Pro (which also did not existed before i uninstalled the VA11A). i guess when i uninstalled it, the computer reinstalled it as intel pc camera pro and not as VA11A USB capture adapter. i dont know where to go from here. any ideas???????????????
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: tinnman357 on May 23, 2007, 06:42:34 PM
At one point in time I too had my va11a working (with vista basic) with the semicolon add and reinstalling the driver and it worked for a little while but when it stopped it stopped have not been able to get it to work again. I dont remember what the error was.  Anyway been trying to use Moocow's work around. The problem I am having is (no problem getting to bcdedit) when I type in (set loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS) and hit enter. This is what I get (Enviroment  variable loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS not defined) am I doing something wrong?
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: HA Dave on May 23, 2007, 06:49:24 PM

After entering the bcdedit command successfully, and modifying/saving




I type in (set loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS) and hit enter. ............ am I doing something wrong?


In this case I am not sure "hitting enter" has the same results as "file/save"
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: tinnman357 on May 23, 2007, 06:54:23 PM
Thanks Dave! I will give it a shot
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: tinnman357 on May 23, 2007, 06:59:24 PM
ok stupid question Dave how do you file/save? I tried it on the end of the loadoptions line. And it didnt work. Got the same message
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: moocow on May 23, 2007, 09:08:31 PM
At one point in time I too had my va11a working (with vista basic) with the semicolon add and reinstalling the driver and it worked for a little while but when it stopped it stopped have not been able to get it to work again. I dont remember what the error was.  Anyway been trying to use Moocow's work around. The problem I am having is (no problem getting to bcdedit) when I type in (set loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS) and hit enter. This is what I get (Enviroment  variable loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS not defined) am I doing something wrong?

Even using bcdedit /set loadoptions?

Is UAC turned off
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: dgarces3 on May 23, 2007, 11:02:23 PM
yes UAC was off all through the procedure and still is off. decided to turn it off and leave it off. ill try it again and post my results. thanks
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: moocow on May 24, 2007, 09:37:23 AM
tinnman357,
you should be able to type in the entire command bcdedit /set loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS, then hit enter, and have "operation completed successfully" appear.  That will indicate you were successful.  I know you have to have spaces in exactly the right places for the command to work.  There is one space between "bcdedit" and "/", one space between "set" and "loadoptions", and one space between "loadoptions" and "DDISABLE"  I have only had to do it once for the VA11A driver to finally load.

dgarces3,
Windows will install Intel PC Camera Pro as the driver by default the first time you plug in the VA11A after re-installing the Vanguard software.  Try right-clicking on that and update the driver through browsing to the program files/ common files/ X10/ driver install/ location.  If the red Windows warning box appears the unsigned driver will load when you select continue.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: dgarces3 on May 24, 2007, 05:02:28 PM
@3:08pm Central Time
Hello Mr. Moocow:
This is what I did:
1.   I went to device manager and I saw under imaging devices the Intel PC Camera device.
2.   right click on intel PC Camera and clicked on Uninstalll
3.   checked the box on delete the driver software  for this device
4.   unplugged the VA11A from computer
5.   plugged it back in
6.   the window Found new hardware came up and click from 3 options, the first option that state: locate and install driver software (recommended) windows will guide you through a process of installing driver software for your device
7.   saw the installing device in task bar
8.   another window came up and said windows encountered a problem installing the driver software for your device and closed the window
9.   saw 2 unknown devices under other devices in device manager
10.   right click on the first one and hit on the option update driver software
11.   click on the following screen: browse my computer for driver software manually
12.    went to browse :C:\Program files\Common Files\ X10\Driver Install\ VA11A Video Capture
13.   saw the red window saying windows cant verify the publisher of this driver software. Clicked on Install this driver software anyway
14.   And finally saw windows has successfully update your driver software for the device X10 VA11A Video Capture and saw it under Imaging devices the VA11A Video capture.
15.   tried to run the vanguard but still see the runddl error message. i dont know where i can take it from here. one thing multiview works but i need the vanguard control center to work. tried the pan&tilt pro software but did not work either. any suggestions??????? thanks
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: moocow on May 24, 2007, 06:11:54 PM
Under the All Programs list on the start button, you'll see Vanguard near the bottom just above X10 Hardware.  Click Vanguard once, and you'll see Vanguard again just above Vanguard Browser.  Right-click this Vanguard, select Properties, and click the Compatibilty tab at the top.  At the top, you'll see Compatibilty mode.  Check the box, and pick Windows XP (Service Pack 2).  This works on my computer, and hopefully will on yours.  Once you do this you don't have to do it again.  Also, you can go back and turn UAC back on at this stage, along with enabling the Windows Firewall and any anti-virus program you may have if you so choose.  i did, and everything still works fine.  Note that when you open the Vanguard software for the first time, you may get a message box stating that your Windows Firewall (assuming you have re-enabled it) is blocking this program, however it will give you the option of allowing that specific program to run.  Accept that, and it should be fine from here on out.  I'm sure there will be some other glitches along the way, but at least now you've solved the VA11A driver issue.
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: dgarces3 on May 24, 2007, 06:55:02 PM
thankX a bunch moocow, your specifications did really work. now i can use vanguard control center on my vista home basic computer.
followed through every step. after so many months to work with this but thanks
just one issue is that i see alot of lag but dont know why????? but as long i see images.
anyone out there having problems.... PM Mr. Moocow. he will sure lend a hand
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: moocow on May 24, 2007, 09:11:31 PM
thankX a bunch moocow, your specifications did really work. now i can use vanguard control center on my vista home basic computer.
followed through every step. after so many months to work with this but thanks
just one issue is that i see alot of lag but dont know why????? but as long i see images.
anyone out there having problems.... PM Mr. Moocow. he will sure lend a hand

Now you know everything I do, so you can be the source of knowledge.  Regarding the VA11A driver issues, all thanks must go to the members who posted before us.  I simply used their guidance and combined it so it worked on my machine.  The Vanguard issue I did figure out on my own, with some educated guesses along with a little luck.
Title: VA11A Driver with Windows Vista Ultimate [G]
Post by: tv001 on June 02, 2007, 03:33:09 PM
After many many attempts to install this, vista recognizes the device and driver, however after install the device manager is showing it as not working with a code 10 and itwitness does not recognize it at all. How can I get vista to get the driver to work correctly??
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: kevdej on July 01, 2007, 07:19:12 PM
I am guessing this is working "only" on Vista 32 bit systems. I tried everything in the post on a 64 bit system to no avail. Can anyone confirm if they got these procedures to work on a Vista X64 system? And if anyone has any suggestions on loading the Va11A driver on Vista X64 it would be appreciated. I can say the standard interface to the CM15 is working correctly - just not my camera's!
Thanks!
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: darkstarz on July 03, 2007, 04:55:28 PM
  Great idea ! It's not like we have anything to lose, that's for sure.
Title: Re: VA11A Driver with Windows Vista Ultimate [G]
Post by: elevatorman on July 26, 2007, 08:18:35 PM
Have the exact problem, got no reply from X-10 when asked for help
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: excited1 on July 31, 2007, 02:51:44 PM
I'm sorry, but I have read through all 9 pages here and still cannot view any video from my camera.

- I have AHP3.204.
- I downloaded x10drivers.exe
- I updated and commented out the 3 lines, then the 2 lines (uncommenting the IYUV_32.dll in the CopyCodec definition)
- I changed the 2nd to last line description to add Modified at end of string.
- I've reinstalled the driver successfully in device manager (in Imaging devices, now called X10 VA11A Video Capture Modified)
- I've gone in and enabled many services which I previously disabled to make Vista lighter weight.  Unloaded, system runs 61 processes.

I'm running Vista Home Premium, Version 6.0, Build 6000.

Any help or direction is much appreciated. :(
Title: Re: VA11A Driver with Windows Vista Ultimate [G]
Post by: elevatorman on August 03, 2007, 10:32:17 AM
Received reply from X-10.
Have no plans for Vista drivers at this time.
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: glorydays on August 12, 2007, 08:04:35 PM
Does anyone know if there is a driver for the VA11A that will work for Vista Home premium?
Title: Re: VA11A Driver with Windows Vista Ultimate [G]
Post by: glorydays on August 12, 2007, 08:48:09 PM
 >:(Just got my new VA11A but will not work under VISTA HOME PREMIUM does anyone know why it will not work with VISTA? when I got it There was no indication that it would not run under VISTA
Title: Re: VA11A Driver with Windows Vista Ultimate [G]
Post by: steven r on August 13, 2007, 10:13:46 AM
...Just got my new VA11A but will not work under VISTA HOME PREMIUM does anyone know why it will not work with VISTA? when I got it There was no indication that it would not run under VISTA...
That's because X10 is more interested in marketing product than fixing problems like that. X10 hasn't taken the steps to create drivers for it to work on Vista yet. I too am disappointed that they don't post a disclaimer with using the VA11A with Vista.

There have been some limited successful work arounds posted on this forum.

Good luck.
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: guitar9999 on August 24, 2007, 06:43:24 PM
Hello,

I have the same Issue as Dgarces. There is no  "Open" so that you can re-install the special CA506AV.inf with the ;;;  according to
the instructions.   So somthing is missing a step or did not run it or something.  Does anyone have successful steps to get the
VA11A working on Windows Vista  or  know what  should be done different in place of the  Open mentioned  above?

I tried re-install and  all the visable options but there  is no Open to re-install.

Thanks
David   >:(
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: cowboy47 on August 30, 2007, 10:31:16 AM
Well, I am new to this forum but I did read through the posts, tried the suggestions but it would not work with vista. Anyone have any influence or friends that are working on these drivers? Vista is supposed to release SP1 this week, so it should meet the criteria of someone who stated that no operating system from Microsoft is considered stable until the 1st service patch.

Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: steven r on August 30, 2007, 04:07:56 PM
...Vista is supposed to release SP1 this week, so it should meet the criteria of someone who stated that no operating system from Microsoft is considered stable until the 1st service patch.
Maybe. Optimistically I'd say the odds might be more than 50% in favor. However, realistically I still don't expect any rush on their part.

At least they won't be able to use that excuse any more.
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: stingey on September 30, 2007, 07:54:06 PM
I tried dgarces3 thread on here and my VA11A driver is working just fine with Windows Vista Home Premium. I found out that the USB adaptor isn't showing and it still works just great! Thanks sooooooooo much dgarces3!  :)
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: geolog on October 10, 2007, 06:24:47 PM
I've read through all nine pages, tried searches.  Could some one PLEASE post the link to Degarces3 thread that explains how to modify the VA11A drivers to run under VISTA.

thanks
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: -Bill- (of wgjohns.com) on October 11, 2007, 09:20:32 PM
I've read through all nine pages, tried searches.  Could some one PLEASE post the link to Degarces3 thread that explains how to modify the VA11A drivers to run under VISTA.

thanks

After re-reading this thread myself, I believe the part of the thread being referred to starts here:
dgarces3 Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D] (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=13179.msg70233#msg70233)
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: Tuicemen on October 12, 2007, 09:58:30 AM
geolog:  
The reason why you can't find the post that states how  dgarces3 modified the VA11A drivers to run under VISTA is because he didn't post one! You have to read the ones prior to his and after to piece it all together!
So few people tend to take the time to post exactly the steps they took to get something to work!
Note Credit should be given to:

[li]bnocturnal   for posting the how to edit the dll (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=13179.msg68678#msg68678)
 [/li]
[li]moocow for Posting the steps to get Vista to load the driver  (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=13179.msg70236#msg70236)
 [/li]

[/list]
Both of which  dgarces3 did! ;)
Hope this Helps ;) clear up some confusion!
[/size]
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: geolog on October 14, 2007, 02:03:38 PM
thanks
will give it a try. 

 If not I'll make the machine a dual boot and load XP on it. Which is another option.
Anyone interested in dual booting Vista and Xp can do a google search or here's the link I used.

http://www.pro-networks.org/forum/about88231.html
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: silverfox on December 09, 2007, 02:35:28 AM
Hi,

I got my wireless camera work on AHP (Ver. 3.206) installed in Win Vista Home Basic 32-bit OS.
Thanks for all you guys posted all info on installation of VA11A on Win. Vista.
I read all 9 pages and like to summarize the steps that get driver installed in Win Vista and work!

Step zero: (from moocow )

Turn off User Access Control (UAC).  It's under your user profile, and is tuned off by unchecking the box in the window that appears when you select this control.


step one:(from bnocturnal )

1.Navigate to C:\Program Files\Common Files\X10\DriverInstall\VA11A Video Capture"
((It always good to backup the file going to be altered.))
2.Locate the file: CA506AV.inf  and make a copy of CA506AV.inf and rename it to something like CA506AV-backup.inf
3.Open the file CA506AV.inf in Notepad and find the following section:

[SPCA506AV.CopyDrivers]
CA506AV.SYS
STREAM.SYS

[SPCA506AV.CopyCodec]
IYUV_32.DLL
MASH263.DRV

5.  Change that section as shown below... (add semicolons in front of 3 lines...

[SPCA506AV.CopyDrivers]
CA506AV.SYS
;STREAM.SYS

[SPCA506AV.CopyCodec]
;IYUV_32.DLL
;MASH263.DRV

4. Save the file, and close notepad

Step Two: (from moocow )

Click on start, type CMD in the search box, then press Ctrl-Shift-Enter to open the DOS-type dialogue box as an administrator.

Type bcdedit /set loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS and hit Enter

Step Three:(from moocow ) and me ;)


go to Device Manager
Locate "Other Devices" and there are two "unknown device" with an exclamation point.
select the top of the two unknown devices, the other will be an audio device( No need for now).
right-click on the selected unknown device and select the Update Driver Software option
Click "Browse my PC for driver software"(locate and install driver manually)
Click "let me pick from a list of device drivers on my computer"
Click browse and navigate to C:\Program Files\Common Files\X10\DriverInstall\VA11A Video Capture
you can see VA11A video capture driver shown up. Highlight it and okay it. It will be installed.
A red warning box will appear, select install anyway, and it will finally lnstall. 
When successful, you'll see the VA11A under Imaging Devices in Device Manager with no exclamation point.

Plug your CM15 and camera via USB, lunch AHP and you got the video!

Hope these steps save all newbies a lots of time in the future. :)

Title: Getting a "Code 10" cannot load driver.
Post by: PajamaGuy on December 31, 2007, 03:42:42 PM
Am unable to get the edited driver to load....

Any ideas?
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: spinier on January 21, 2008, 08:29:37 PM
I am an XP 64 user trying to get the VA11A drivers to work.  Tried the vista trick of editing CA506AV.inf but—of course—to no avail.  I've done a fair amount of searching for a work around.  Anyone have any tips? Thanks.  -S.
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: trol1374 on January 29, 2008, 02:13:10 PM
  It worked for me!!!!  I am running Vista Home (32) with AHP.  I read every thread on my search and found this thread and read all the post.  I ignore the 64 bit steps and followed the steps posted.  I disabled the audio driver that was erroring.  Also, when I fired up AHP I got the "can't find the USB VA11a ..." message and just clicked ok.  I went into Iwitness and my camera was giving a picture.
   So, if you think it doesn't work, then re read and don't do anything until you read them all on this thread.  Thanks to those that provided the nice instructions/steps.
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: paulie on January 30, 2008, 06:31:08 AM
Ok, it is now February of 2008, and STILL there is no Vista drivers for the VA11A USB Video Adapter from X10 !!!  Is that correct?  I have not tried the work around yet that the users have come up with, but I will.

Does anyone have any update??

Thanks all.....
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: PajamaGuy on January 30, 2008, 07:26:53 AM
Trol - do you have any external USB Hard drives connected?  (and/or what external USB devices do you have?)
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: trol1374 on February 01, 2008, 10:12:44 AM
   Umm, don't know why it matters, but yes- I have a network external hard drive hooked up via the usb port.
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: halfelite on April 04, 2008, 07:48:33 PM
After getting everything but the drivers to load with all the methods im throwing in the towel for now. Does it for sure work on xp I will turn an old machine into xp if it for sure works.
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: Tuicemen on April 04, 2008, 08:00:35 PM
Does it for sure work on xp I will turn an old machine into xp if it for sure works.
yes! ;)
Title: Re: Windows Vista & Unsigned X10 Drivers [D]
Post by: jstoufer on April 22, 2008, 03:56:28 AM
When I make the changes and try to save them in the CA506AV.inf I get a message that Cannot create the file, make sure path and file are correct.........................any suggestions?
I had the same problem.  I saved it to a different folder, moved the original file and  then moved the new file to replace the original.  Clumsy but effective!
John
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: rsstjohn on May 04, 2008, 10:21:20 AM
I have tried every possible variation of this method and still ALWAYS get the error "The Device Cannot Start (Code 10)" in device manager.
Any further suggestions/insights?
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: PajamaGuy on May 06, 2008, 08:46:45 AM
Although some folks have it working, for most of us the VA11A does not work with Vista.  You have choices - run a virtual instance of XP, or spend  a couple of bucks on an old XP-capable machine.

However, if you're going to run everything (AHP, 4-modules, the CM15A and the VA11A) make sure you get enough horsepower.  As with "Everything X10" logic does NOT rule - Murphy does.

For instance:  I bought an obsolete Dell Latitude laptop for $100, and installed only XP (SP2), and AHP.  It had only one USB port.  I tried a powered USB HUB.  I tried a powered dual-port USB PCMCIA card.  On idle, the VA11A ate up 80% of the USB bandwidth (internal system report, not just an estimate).  Some signals from the CM15A were not getting to AHP.  Whether or not it SHOULD WORK, with the VA11A plugged in, AHP was not getting all of the CM15A signals.  Unplug the VA11A and no problem (except for that damn popup telling you the VA11A isn't plugged in).

If you really want to run a full-blown X10 system with cameras, sensors, macros, et al, use an XP desktop with multi-channel USB (2.0). 

Or wait for x10 to come out with Vista-compatible drivers - (but don't hold yer breath!)

Personally, I run my cameras via Vanguard on the laptop, and everything else via AHP and my Vista desktop.  While I don't have the iWitness functionality, everything seems to work..... ::)



Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: lummox on May 26, 2008, 02:07:14 PM
This is a great thread, had to work at it a little bit but now have the video driver working on Vista.....great resource here guys...thanks.
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: Dan Lawrence on May 26, 2008, 04:40:44 PM
Could you possibly be able to make a text file of the VA11a driver mod you made and paste it here along with what editor you used?  It would be a great resource for the frustrated Vista users. -:)
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: Tuicemen on May 26, 2008, 04:50:26 PM
Good Idea Dan Lawrence   :)% Simply renaming the file with a "txt" extention will work then it can be posted here!  ;)
Frustrated Vista users can just save the text file and rename the extention back to"inf" place it in the proper folder and cross their fingers that it works! :'
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: lummox on May 26, 2008, 05:22:49 PM
Here you go....rename using note pad and copy to C:\Program Files\Common Files\X10\DriverInstall\VA11A Video Capture".  Uninstall the VA11A in the Device manager and then plug it back in and let it rediscover.  It will come up in Video devices as not active, go to it and reinstall driver and point the process to go the folder you just put it in.
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: Tuicemen on May 26, 2008, 05:26:43 PM
lummox  #:)
Hopefuly that will help some Vista users that are having the driver issue! 
 >!
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: Darkjin on July 22, 2008, 09:52:08 AM
Sad very sad that the x10 people cant or wont solve the Vista issuse and you guys here have been doing more to fix it than x10.
when i first got my x10 toys they sounded great,i repeat sounded.

ive had multiview,firecracker,motion light cams,va11a,cm19a,vr36a and tried them on win98,2000,now vista every case has been a pain to install and run if it would run at all.

i may just do with x10 as ive done with my xbox, i sent it to the trashman and bought a PS3.

when the customers have to rewrite the drivers to make things work its junk in my book.

a turd for cheap is still a turd !!! hahaha
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: Dan Lawrence on July 22, 2008, 09:59:56 AM
As Bill Clinton made famous, I feel your pain!

The root cause of the "Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!" problem is squarely in the X10USA corner, and it's well known here that X10 has lost a lot of programmers in the last two years.  It took X10 almost two years to produce an upgrade of AHP.

It would be nice if the person who hacked the XP driver for the VA11A would post the file on the web somewhere (NOT here or on the X10 site) that Vista users could download it and fix their problem.
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: Jimmer on July 22, 2008, 10:16:38 AM
As Bill Clinton made famous, I feel your pain!

The root cause of the "Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!" problem is squarely in the X10USA corner, and it's well known here that X10 has lost a lot of programmers in the last two years.  It took X10 almost two years to produce an upgrade of AHP.

It would be nice if the person who hacked the XP driver for the VA11A would post the file on the web somewhere (NOT here or on the X10 site) that Vista users could download it and fix their problem.
Maybe they need to change to open source and concentrate on earning income with their hardware.
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: Darkjin on July 22, 2008, 01:21:22 PM

Maybe they need to change to open source and concentrate on earning income with their hardware.
Quote

funny thing a relative just called saying his garage was messed with and wanted to know about the camera system i have.

he wont be buying an x10 anything now, so much for making money on the hardware side.

software has been an issue for some time,i just took back a copy of age of empires by microsoft that woudnt run on vista even tho it said it would.

Walmart gave me a full refund soon as i mentioned vista. maybe enough people send back vista noncompat junk things will change.

Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: Jimmer on July 22, 2008, 03:48:21 PM
Actually, I run vista on my home computer and haven't had any problems.  But I havn't used x10 software.  Being all new computers are coming with Vista, it might be a good idea for them to update it fairly soon.
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: paulie on July 30, 2008, 02:15:39 AM
Darkjin,
I don't want this site (or thread) to become a Vista campatibility site, just want you to know, I've ran Age of Empires on my vista machine with no problems.  Make sure you have the latest video drivers installed.

I haven't been to this website in a while, but I am trying to install a home security system.  I have lots of X10 stuff, but it's worthless untill th VA11A talks to Vista.  I was hopeing by now that it would have been fixed. (Tried the workaround, doesn't work).  Sigh, all my cameras are basically "junk" until it does. Won't buy anything more from X10 until they fix the Vista issue with the VA11A or offer an alternate that does.  >*<
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: steven r on July 30, 2008, 09:05:40 AM
...Tried the workaround, doesn't work.  Sigh, all my cameras are basically "junk" until it does....
...Won't buy anything more from X10 until they fix the Vista issue with the VA11A or offer an alternate that does.  >*<
Unfortunately till they do, that's about all you can do. Be sure and send them a letter expressing your needs and feelings. Eventually, I would of believed by now, X10 will have to address the issue when enough people have switched to Vista.

I "solved" my problem by picking up a used XP computer to use as dedicated home automation computer.
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: originalevil on July 30, 2008, 07:22:39 PM
Hi! This is my first post on the forum.

I'm not replying because of a problem with the unsigned driver. I am, in fact, just setting up my system as we speak (on a different PC).

I'm replying because it is nuts how many other folks out there are running Vista 64. I run it for access to more memory, since I need to run a lot of virtual computers for software testing.

Just to satisfy my curiosity, what are some of the reasons you guys are running it?
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: bravoland on September 10, 2008, 12:51:30 AM
Just wanted to add that following the instructions listed here i was able to get va11a working with AHP

thanks to all
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: BrownbeardBiker on October 24, 2008, 12:05:30 PM
Good Afternoon,

After 8 e-mails to tech support (all ignored) and numerous calls to Customer support (which they say management will return, but never have), the only advice X10 offers for the VA11A to Vista problem is to purchase their new and improved product, the VA12A. I just bought the complete system they offered on the web back in late June 2008. Note the word, "complete" as that is how they marketed it to me. I now have $300 worth of stuff that I can't use and they have no desire to help except to sell me more for another $50. Has anyone gotten a better driver for the VA11A that works with Vista or knows of a way to get it to work using the old drivers?

I really would like some help as X10 doesn't seem to care and I have to fight off the wife who says I spent the $300 stupidly believing customer support is alive and well in the US of A.

Any help can be addressed to me at:

brownbeard@hotmail.com

subject line: VA11A drivers

Thanks.

Scott

As Bill Clinton made famous, I feel your pain!

The root cause of the "Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!" problem is squarely in the X10USA corner, and it's well known here that X10 has lost a lot of programmers in the last two years.  It took X10 almost two years to produce an upgrade of AHP.

It would be nice if the person who hacked the XP driver for the VA11A would post the file on the web somewhere (NOT here or on the X10 site) that Vista users could download it and fix their problem.
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: HA Dave on October 24, 2008, 04:13:38 PM
....................It would be nice if the person who hacked the XP driver for the VA11A would post the file on the web somewhere (NOT here or on the X10 site) that Vista users could download it and fix their problem.

Welcome to the forum BrownbeardBiker

Wow... if you would have just read some of the other posts on the same page that you posted on... you would have found this (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=13179.msg85321#msg85321). And you might be up and running now. Hang in there.... we're all in this together.
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: sepways on October 26, 2008, 11:21:20 AM
Add me to the unhappy campers...just bought a new PC with Vista...and guess what doesn't work???
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: HA Dave on October 26, 2008, 05:11:27 PM
Add me to the unhappy campers...just bought a new PC with Vista...and guess what doesn't work???

Welcome to the forum sepways

It can be hard not to get frustrated. I've been a user with problems... that I didn't know how to resolve. (Actually... I am having a bit of a range issue now.. that I am still trying to find a solution for.) But now-a-days... I don't feel all alone out here when I have a problem...  and I know I will find a solution.

sepways I think... a solution to your problem.... was just a few posts away.
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: billfern on December 19, 2008, 05:04:23 PM
Totally different Way to connect Camera to computer without X10 software (http://www.x10community.com/forums/index.php?topic=17123.0)


Editted by Puck: No need to repeat the same post 6 times; please do so once and post a link to the original.

Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: mike on February 28, 2009, 03:45:47 PM
YOU ARE ALL MISSING THE PROBLEM:  THE MODIFIED .INF DOES NOT WORK ON 64 BIT VISTA.  PERIOD.  IT DOES ON 32BIT VISTA. 

64 bit vista will not even recognize the CA506AV.sys file as valid for its operating system so nothing you do to have it ignore the other files is going to help.  Until someone finds a CA506AV.sys file that vista 64 will accept we are dead in the water. 

Guys get it straight!  Stop telling folks with vista 64bit this commenting out 3 lines will work!  It won't!  We are dead in the water with Vista 64 bit systems!
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: mike on March 01, 2009, 08:36:13 AM
Does anyone know if VA12 works with Vista 64bit?  (Windows 7 beta is no longer available anywhere for torrent sites).  Thank you.
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: Dan Lawrence on March 01, 2009, 10:35:28 AM
You have posted this in Four other parts of the Forums. Please refrain from multiple posts in different areas of you want replies that help.
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: richbutler1 on March 14, 2009, 09:25:32 AM
Guess what, after following, refollowing, uninstalling, re-installing, updating, standing on one leg, I can't get my VA11A working under Vista.

Getting error 10 after completing driver update with modified driver inf file.

Anyone have any tips for that???

The person that gives me the right answer is gauranteed a beer and a good job within 24 hours!

Thanks folks,

Rich
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: mike on March 22, 2009, 11:35:18 AM
va12 works on vista 64 bit.   Bit the bullet and bought one.

video quality same as va11 on xp for me

but it crashes on 60% of video saves - right at end of recording.

I tested all codecs available (about 6) - all do it.

anyone know a way around this crap now?
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: wingom on May 19, 2009, 10:24:37 AM
I have problem with the same thing. The VA11A do not run under windows Vista what can i do ?????
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: randywebb on July 11, 2010, 02:50:25 AM
i  agree
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: randywebb on July 13, 2010, 04:09:42 AM
that was 2007,  can  i get this working on vista in  2010
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: Brian H on July 13, 2010, 06:03:03 AM
Official X10 stand on the VA11A with Vista is no. VA12A is needed.
http://kbase.x10.com/wiki/VA11A
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: asinblue on February 01, 2012, 07:22:43 PM
got this to work with Win7 x32bit following the instructions to comment out the lines in the INF.

The previous content of this post violated the posted X10 General Forum User Etiquette policy and has been removed.
Title: Re: *ONE* THREAD for Unsigned VA11A Driver and Windows Vista!
Post by: Brian H on February 01, 2012, 07:33:58 PM
Let me set you straight asinblue.
We are NOT Employees of X10 and have no direct connection to X10.
We are volunteers trying to help. Call X10 if you have any problems.



I also suggest you read this real carefully.
http://forums.x10.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=oadfhv28kv95bc1b1deqef9o00&topic=12842.0